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DeepSight:
I warned you that you cannot compare apples with oranges. SA has a unique history. And that history has a unique psycho-social impact.

Every country has a unique history. Saying south Africa has its history so it can be used in comparison makes no sense.

But then, I presented the list of the Ten most violent countries in Africa, only 2 are among the 10 poorest.

So let's grant you South Africa, talk about the remaining 7.

Let's hear your argument

DeepSight:
Shame on certain people. Listen to this White South African Woman.

And be ashamed.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sholamos-shogbamimu_to-the-afrophobic-black-south-africans-white-activity-7456308064162443264-VNak?utm_source=social_share_send&utm_medium=android_app&rcm=ACoAAAR4bv8B2eiS6BXoxT7neR7ah6REJ2e69Tg&utm_campaign=share_via

TV01, Bemeruca, tctrills

I am not sure I understand how this has to do with the present discussion but I will love to see you make the connections.

You seem to be saying that because I want better cultural practices from my fellow blacks, I should be ashamed of myself.

In short I should require less from my people

GracieX3:
1. Slavery happened across the world. Economics and religion are a better explanation. Culture does not work
2. All the African countries you listed are all poor countries (even south africa) with bad law enforcement, so your data set is useless.

Do you even understand how data works.
South Africa is many time richer than central African republic yet many times more violent. Can you explain that with your economics argument.

I am dieing to see how you explain this simple one.

And religion is a huge part of culture just so you know

GracieX3:
Deepsight and I have corrected you.

Culture is useless when identifying and creating a solution to sociological problems.

We look at the direct factors that influence and create such societal problems. And research has shown that poverty and law enforcement are the two major problems that influence crime.

And I have proved that you are wrong. Why are the most violent countries in Africa not the poorest?

This alone should help you understand that it is not a poverty problem

DeepSight:
You dont know the meaning of the word "culture."

Ok, teach me and let's see if your definition applies to fatherlessness.

DeepSight:
So why is it that you have spoken suggesting that blacks in the US simply have a bad culture and implicitly suggesting that whites have a good culture and its as simple as that?

I said whites have a much better culture not necessarily a perfect culture. The results show.
Whites have there own problems but I will trade the cultural problems of white America any day with that of the blacks

DeepSight:
Absentee fatherhood is not anyone's culture. It is a circumstance that has arisen from definite social factors and predictors.

Clearly, it's much more than a money problem.
Black America has received 5 to 6 trillion in benefits since 1965.

Let's use the more conservative 5 trillion,
That's at least two and half times the Nigerian yearly budget.

That isn't fixing fatherlessness, it's not fixing crime. It is 'ot even fixing poverty.

Throwing money at it is not fixing it hence it is not a money problem.

It is a cultural problem QED.

Many argue that the Jews are an economic and military giant because the US funds them.

The US gives Israel about 3.5 billion Dollars each year while black America gets close to 70 billion.

The difference here is that one has a culture of growth while the other has a culture of poverty.

DeepSight:
Absentee fatherhood is not anyone's culture. It is a circumstance that has arisen from definite social factors and predictors.

Cultures also arise from social factors and predictors so that's no point.

DeepSight:
This is one of the most stupid and illiterate things I have ever read in my life. There is no culture specific to being violent to persons of its own race.

As eh dey play eh dey show. You want us to under what we are seeing?

Again do you disagree with Obama that crime is linked to fatherlessness. In fact, fatherlessness is a factor by 5.

I am sure Obama knows much more than you, hence he felt the need to plead with fathers to remain at home.

I suspect Obama is not stupid and illiterate.
You kids used to listen to him.

Progress321:
Interesting days ahead, but let's be honest for a bit here, I know we all have obidients and Kwankwaso fan boys on this platform but be honest with yourself, Do we really see Peter obi and Kwankwaso removing Tinubu from Presidency come 2027, because for me I don't and not to sound pessimistic but guys let's talk facts here, two men cannot do it alone

We all know the election will be rigged.
Kwankwaso like Obi is a grassroot politician.
Remember, in the last election, his party has zero structure outside Kano. Yet he did reasonably well.
Atiku almost lost in his own state. Atiku had the second biggest party and a lot of money yet he couldn't take the north.

Final verdict: the election will be seriously rigged and Tinubu will retain power.

GracieX3:
Culture is a loose word. It is useless and meaningless when it comes to real world solutions towards crime.

Crime is dependent on two major factors. Poverty and law enforcement.

Wrong.
Slavery was cultural, the culture shifted and it ended.
Today, Chicago spends billions on law enforcement and poverty. But that is not the solution.


Let's use Africa as case study.

Here are the 10 top countries by violent crime index in Africa.

South Africa
2 DR Congo
3 Nigeria
4 Cameroon
Angola
6 Namibia
7 Somalia
Mozambique
9 Zimbabwe
10 Libya

Now here are the poorest 10.

South Sudan
2 Burundi
3 Central African Republic
Somalia
5 DR Congo
6 Mozambique
7 Niger
Malawi
9 Chad
10 Liberia

We have only 2 poor countries in the violent nations top 10.

Please explain this.

Slovenia is one of the poorer EU countries yet it has the lowest violet crime rate.

Crime obviously goes beyond money or the lack of it.

GracieX3:
Please, crime is not dependent on race or culture. The two most influential factors that affect crime are poverty and law enforcement.

I can tell you for a fact that I have relatives who live in secure estates in Chicago. As bad as Chicago is, their rich community is safe.

Obama doesn't agree with you.
In a speech about fatherlessness in the black community, he said kids that grow up without a father are 5x more likely to be poor and to commit crimes and 20x more likely to go to jail
So you see, even poverty can be reduced by 5x with a man at home.
Chicago that you mentioned spends billions on law enforcement and billions on poverty but these problems are not going away because of the culture of fatherlessness or what I call useless men.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) data for 2024–2026, homicide by firearm is the leading cause of death for Black men between the ages of 15 and 34.

This is a significant demographic outlier compared to other racial groups in the same age bracket, where the leading causes are typically unintentional injuries (accidents) or suicide.

Think about this, black on black crime is the leading cause of death amongst young black males.

You can defend it but until we change the culture, nothing will change.

bayelsaowei:
We were created that way by God. To commit crimes..

🤣🤣😂😂.. it’s in our DNA.

While the white mans DNA is made up to do good all the time.

🤓🤓🤓

The argument is not DNA, it is cultural.
God doesn't create the culture, you create it and you can change it.
Killing of twins was culture, it was stopped.
Black on black violence is cultural, and it can be stopped.
Fatherlessness is cultural and we can put an end to it.
Hope you now understand the difference between DNA and culture?
You are welcome my brother.

basilico:
When the society role model are flashy Yahoo boys , many kids will aspire to join that .
When your role model is Bone Thugs and Harmony, the results are predictable.

When WAP is one of the biggest hit songs why wouldn't every girl aspire to be a LovePeddler.

GracieX3:
See this clown.

All this while, you never claimed that white people have "criminal culture" but until Deepsight showed you the figures. You have been demonizing blacks since by claiming they have a criminal culture. What a shame.

So, wouldnt the simple accurate description of this issue be that there is crime everywhere?

Have you heard of the say, 'Charity begins at home?' I am sure this is your first time hear it.
Which should I be more concerned about, black culture or white culture?
Unlike you, my first concern is the culture of the blacks and right now it's a shame.
You are free to highlight the evils in white culture and I will not even argue that with you but clearly, black American is held back by it's negative cultures.

The solution to black violence in the US is not more policing, it's not more money. Both have been tried.

It's simple, change the culture.

basilico:
When a significant portion of a homogeneous society engages in a particular activity ,a culture will build up.
Indians for instance have a business culture, they help each other from small stores to Big business.When most of them get educated they will join their fellow Indians
Black kids living with gangs within their neighborhood will grow up into that culture be it hip-hop, rap music, basketball etc.
Japanese have a culture of honesty and kindness. You'll find kids bowing to a driver who stopa at a zebra crossing. Kids in creche going to school alone or shopping alone etc.
Blacks exposed to gang culture and easy shortcuts to quick money become criminally prone. They could be quite a number.

I love your brilliant yet simple argument. These leftist know but they just choose to argue for the sake of it.

DeepSight:
You don't know what you are saying. Can we say white people have a culture of Narcotics use and possession and Vandalism for example?

They dominate in the following criminal areas - (Culled)

1. Driving Under the Influence (DUI) and Liquor Laws
​This is consistently the category with the highest numerical representation for white individuals.

​DUI: Roughly 70–80% of all arrests for driving under the influence are of white individuals.
​Liquor Law Violations: Includes offenses such as public intoxication and underage drinking, where white individuals make up the vast majority of arrests.

​2. Drug Use and Possession
​While drug-related arrests are frequent across all demographics, in terms of sheer numbers:
​White individuals account for the majority of total arrests for drug abuse violations, particularly those involving synthetic drugs, heroin, and prescription medication misuse.

​3. Property and Financial Crimes
​White individuals are arrested at higher rates than other demographics for crimes involving property and deception:
​Arson: Consistently high representation, often exceeding 70%.

​Fraud & Forgery: Includes credit card fraud, check forgery, and identity theft.
​Larceny-Theft: This includes shoplifting and pocket-picking.
​Vandalism: Destruction or defacement of property.

​4. Behavioral and "Public Order" Offenses
​Simple Assault: While violent crime statistics vary, "simple assault" (which does not involve a weapon or serious injury) often sees white individuals as the dominant demographic in total arrest counts.

​Disorderly Conduct: Offenses involving disturbing the peace.
​
Summary Table of Arrest Percentages (Recent Trends)

Offense Category . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Approximate White Demographic Share

DUI . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 75%
Arson . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70%
Liquor Laws . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 68%
Vandalism . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 65%
Fraud . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 62%
Simple Assault . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60%

What do you know about white trash trailer park life also? Would you describe the patterns of behaviour there as part of "white culture?"

What about racism, with so many racist movements such as the Proud Boys and their ilk (racist skinheads, Aryan Brotherhood, United Dixie White Knights, Loyal White Knights, Ku Kluxx Klan, Patriot Front etc), would you describe this as part of white culture.

What about biker gangs and all the untoward things associated with them. Would you describe this as part of white culture.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

The fact remains that every society and demographic has crime and some tend to specialize in a particular kind of crime, period. At a time Italians were known for the Mafia, someone like you would have called it Italian culture even though the mafia was a tiny minority of Italians. You would also call drug dealing Mexican and Colombian culture would you not, the same way you have called internet fraud Nigerian culture.

Generally I find your thoughts processes grievously limited.

Now having said all this, let us even conduct an experiment. Let us say for the sake of argument that you are right about black culture. To resolve the problem, you must know why that culture exists. Can you tell us why it exists.

A corollary. Is white culture according to you, one of excellence, hard work and responsibility simpliciter?

Good, you are getting smart.
Whites also have very bad cultures that they should improve.
But I will leave it for whites to fix while you and I concern ourselves with fixing the evils in our culture.

You are finally getting it.

From the prompt below and it's result, you see that addiction is a cultural problem in the US. So yes, there are good and bad cultures and society should work to improve the bad or negative ones

DeepSight:
That seems to be the opinion of Tctrills and company.

You kids find it hard to understand the difference between culture and DNA. It's a big difference.
Also, I was talking about the Black Americans not all blacks. The black Ghanians for example do not have a criminal culture.

Hope you kids get it now.

You can change culture, you can't change DNA.

BRATISLAVA:
Please focus on your post that I quoted.

Don't divert into murky waters. It's not about women's rights.

No problem but all I keep saying is that we should protect the unborn.
They don't have a voice, they are powerless but they have great value and like us, they are human.
Let's give them the right to life.
I am sure you agree with this

GracieX3:
Of course, you wouldn't when your racist lie about black criminality is debunked....

Please learn how a crime is different from a culture.
The below will help you

GracieX3:
You do realise that the very Internet fraud you are talking about is a bigger market in the USA? Do you realise that credit card fraud in the USA cost the economy 8.9 billion dollars in 2023.

Would you now foolishly argue that the USA has Internet fraud culture?

Or rather, crime is a part of every society....

So again you are wrong. Culture is not about money but about people.
Even if much more money was stolen, it doesn't mean more Americans are into fraud.
Do you understand?
Let's educate you more.
If one says the Mafia culture is strong in southern Italy, it doesn't mean everyone in southern Italy is Mafia.
Same goes for Mexico.

Online fraud in Nigeria, has developed into a complex, quasi-cultural phenomenon among youth, driven by economic hardship, unemployment, and the glamorization of quick wealth. While not reflective of the entire population, it is a significant issue,

It has moved beyond a simple criminal act and into a subculture with its own language, music, social hierarchy, and moral justifications.

By 2026, sociologists and cultural critics point to several key pillars that suggest this shift from "crime" to "culture

https://www.scribd.com/document/994523898/From-Crime-to-Culture-a-[url]Machine-Learning-Study-of-Cybercrime-Yahoo-Yahoo-Normalization-Among-Nigerian-Youths-and-Digital-Communities#:~:text=So%20in%20the%20form%20of,Addressing%20it%20requires%20more[/url]

In many Nigerian communities, the "Yahoo Boy" has replaced the traditional professional (doctor, lawyer) as the symbol of success.

This is what makes it culture not the amount of dollars involved

You are welcome

GracieX3:
Of course, you wouldn't when your racist lie about black criminality is debunked....

Do you know the meaning of debunked?
Black American has 7x the murder rate of the whites but to you, it's all good.
One is every 3 black American adult males has a criminal case but that's not enough to call it a cultural issue.
Oga get serious nah

BRATISLAVA:
Pinches the cat in shock!

Outside of hard core misogyny you might be able to argue meaningfully. What changed you though? Did you give birth? Get into a relationship finally? What is it?

Or is this argument still an extension of misogyny?

What does protecting innocent, powerless and precious unborn babies have to do with misogyny?
Yup can't keep killing humans in the name of women's right

GracieX3:
DeepSight, there is no need to respond to this ignorant statement.

So, all black Americans decided to create a culture of criminality? Can you imagine the nonsense?

When i asked him to define black culture, he couldn't say anything of substance...

You are telling someone not to respond but you have been responding and not doing a good job at it.

GracieX3:
4% of black people are millionaires in the USA. Does that mean that those 4 percent have a criminal culture? For whites though, it is 20%.....

I don't even get what you are trying to say

GracieX3:
So all the hardworking Nigerians also have the culture of Internet fraud? The accountants, the doctors, lawyers and engineers in Nigeria have a culture of Internet fraud? Can you see that you are not well?

Every Yoruba man doesn't have to have an agbada for one to say it's a part of the culture.
Again, I advise, make your points without insults

GracieX3:
Lol.....is white saviour Trump a criminal? With all his fraudulent charities, universities, rape cases etc.

No he is not

DeepSight:
All of those things are well explained by anyone who understands history, social sciences and economics. Saying that it is culture is insane because all he is trying to say is that blacks have a culture of criminality, laziness, irresponsibility and are also intellectually inferior. If you dont understand that is what he is saying, thats your bad.

Someone is telling you point blank that whites have a natural culture of excellence and productivity and blacks have a natural culture of laziness and criminality and you are nodding your head.

You are lost.

One out of every 3 African American adult males have a Felony Conviction. But you claim it is not a culture.
Please what is it.

Zacka12:
Don't do that. The past matters with the present. And what do you mean they are not killing Black leaders today?

The only way for the Blacks in America to clean themselves up and build their communities morally, economically and physically is to remove themselves from the system of the whites.

The so-called opportunities are always going to be rigged. And at the end of the day the "excellence" is going to benefit a few Blacks.
If you want leadership, let the U.S carve up a portion of the country for their African American citizens, and leave them international freedom without interference. Afterall, they have been asking for land as part of their reparations for slavery.

First taking about a separate country for Africans, we already have that, it's called Nigeria and we see how it is going.

Now let's talk about the opportunities. Did you know that the average Nigerian Americans, earns more than the average white American?
Hope you know that Nigerian Americans are black and many are first generation citizens.

How come Nigerians are finding and taking hold of opportunity white the traditional black Americans are completely messed up?

DeepSight:
All of those things are well explained by anyone who understands history, social sciences and economics. Saying that it is culture is insane because all he is trying to say is that blacks have a culture of criminality, laziness, irresponsibility and are also intellectually inferior. If you dont understand that is what he is saying, thats your bad.

Someone is telling you point blank that whites have a natural culture of excellence and productivity and blacks have a natural culture of laziness and criminality and you are nodding your head.

You are lost.

Black Americans have a culture of criminality, laziness, irresponsibility. Do you want me to pull up the data?

There are 2 ways to take this.
1. Get angry, feel insulted and throw tantrums.
2. Accept it and start changing the culture.

For example, if I say Nigerians have a culture of internet fraud. You would attack me as if that matters but the fact remains than yahoo Yahoo is now an accepted way of life in Nigeria.

https://youtube.com/shorts/O8GBKWTbZj8?si=K9AZZnUkNn2Tr32L

Racism or culture?

The moment the discussion became about porn, we noticed many leftist who had be silent suddenly resurfacing and engaging in the most passionate way.
I think I just wait until this porn episode passes then rejoin the discussion.
DeepSight, we are not done with abortion.
Let the porn experts have their time for now