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Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 10:22am On Feb 25, 2025

immaculatesense:
Okay sir.
I don't just like back and forth. I believe once we make our points known, and also the other side makes his known, we can have a civil conversation. But when it is degenerating to back and forth or uncivil arguments. I prefer, the mature one should just take a bow out.
Thanks.

No wahala

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Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 10:21am On Feb 25, 2025

cornelboy:
Inherit?

God gave Jesus authority and the kingdom to fulfill some specific purpose. Soon Jesus will hand everything back to his Father God.

I cor 15:24,28

Again i have provided answers in my first post but more thoughts.

You might wonder, that if the Father has given all power to the Son, how is the Father then glorified?

The answer is in
John 14:13-14

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

The Father is glorified in the Son.
Now, as humans we understand this. Nothing makes a parent more happy than the success of their Children. Parents don't get envious of their kids Success.

Our Father in heaven is not envious of Jesus Christ.
He commanded us to be perfect just like he is. He wants all of us to be like him and will do all it takes to help us reach our God potential.

And he wants us to be one with him just as his son is one with him.

Everything I have written is scriptural so why do you doubt?

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 10:10am On Feb 25, 2025

immaculatesense:
That's wonderful. We have the same approach to the person of Jesus.
I Thinks it only Max that is still considering my proposal to him then.
That Jesus is god (in the context of his divinity and deity) based on the fact that his Father has exalted him to his throne to sit with him on his throne and given in a name that is above all other names.
I just hope Max will see my point from that lens and we all put this to rest.
Thanks.

Hmm, he will not. But that's not a problem. I am ok with people not agreeing with me but when one starts being intentionally dishonest, that's another thing.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 9:48am On Feb 25, 2025

immaculatesense:
You are correct sir on the Hebrew and on you stand that Jesus is god. We are on the same view. Max didn't even argue that with me when I made that history submission because I explained the meaning of the word "god" and it's etymology. But you have not been clear on one things sir. I will ask a question and if you answer is Yes, we are fully on the same page, but if no, then there is an issue.
My Question.
Is the Father greater than the Son?

I expressly told you that the Father is greater than the Son. That has never been in argument.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 9:24am On Feb 25, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
@ Immaculate
Where are you?
Do you see what i'm saying?
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can agree but all of you are SCATTERED spiritually speaking! Luke 11:23

The reason why you guys are ashamed to mention the name of your church is not to expose yourself because members of the same church don't agree that's why no church has agreed to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples as he commissioned it each of you will just go to the streets and start making noice claiming he is preaching!

Always going back to childish arguments. The reason we don't mention our church is because we are not looking for distraction like you.
Our goal is to teach and discuss the word of God not to partake in some fetish church competition.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 9:22am On Feb 25, 2025

immaculatesense:
You are correct sir according to John 5:23.
John 5:23
[23]so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.

But he was also right by saying that the Father who gave his son (Jesus) ALL authority is greater than Jesus. And that is also true according to John 14:28.
John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

I don't think you disagree with that sir. Thanks.

The argument was not about who is greater. I never said the Son is greater than the Father. The argument was about who is God. And my answer is, both. Jesus Christ is God just as his Father is God. You notice I use capital G for both. The Hebrew and Greek alphabets did not have small g Gods and capital G gods. The small g God is a modern western idea.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 9:15am On Feb 25, 2025

delkuf:
it seems you are new here in nl. You don't know maxi and what he stand for

MaxInDHouse is on a mission to prove that every other person is wrong. And I have no problem with finding out that I am wrong and improving myself but when you can't even prove you point and instead you have to lie and deceive, that's what I don't take. None of us knows all the truth about God because he has not revealed all things to us. So if Max and his JW people will teach me truths that I don't know, I will accept it. But their teachings have to be built on already revealed truths. We can't make the Word of God a lie just to satisfy any organization.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 9:04am On Feb 25, 2025

immaculatesense:
I have studied tctrills and Max argument and I can only deduce just one misunderstanding.
1. Max do not agree with tctrills that Jesus is god in his nature and the Father has delegated ALL authority to him, making him Almighty.
2. tctrills will not agree with Max that the Father who delegated the authority to his son (Jesus) is greater than Jesus thereby making Jesus a subordinate to someone which is the Father.

The issue is BOTH OF THEM ARE CORRECT. But they didn't just know they are looking at two different points.

1. Jesus is god (all powerful) because the father has committed ALL things into his hands until the end of days. And the Father made this known. Just like Pharaoh did with Joseph during the plenty and famine period, thereby making Joseph THE LEADER OF EGYPT in Pharaoh's stead.
John 5:22
[22]In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,

2. The Father is definitely greater than his son (Jesus) and Jesus also retriated this severally.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

LET US ALL PURSUE THE PATH OF PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING.
THANKS.

Wrong, I know that the Father delegated Authority to his Son. That was never my argument.
Infact, I am arguing that the Father gave all things to his Son. And that all titles of the Father belong to the Son.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 8:51am On Feb 25, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
If this is what you think i will leave you with Cornelboy!

No wahala,

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 8:50am On Feb 25, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
This is the reason why i said it is impossible for TWO of you no matter how serious you may be can agree on how to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples!

That's your opinion. We can agree on the word of God. And the most important is not that we agree. It's that you now know because I taught you.
You can choose what to do with the knowledge.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 8:48am On Feb 25, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i'm not interested in arguing with you all i wanted to do is help you see the loopholes in your lengthy epistle before you go through all the stress typing so much and Cornelboy will point out the flaws in what you have typed.

Note that i never read all your comment i stopped where i showed you because i am 100% sure you will still commit more blunders while trying to establish what a JW will consider scriptural.

I also noticed that each of you keeps saying "we have agreed" which means you are after agreement with whoever engage you in a discussion but i will tell you the truth just two as in only two persons among you will never ever come to an agreement on doctrines the only thing you people can agree upon is the common enemy you people have: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Apart from agreeing to castigate the JWs you people will never ever come to an agreement on how to WORK together as disciples of Jesus Christ!

If you want to help me, you first must get your English right. We can't be debating over primary one English.

Again, you wrote 3 paragraphs just to make empty boasts. Oya na continue.
You told me that I don't answer questions but since yesterday I have been answering questions and teaching.
I am sure you will find another reason to criticize me. You too like to find fault.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 8:44am On Feb 25, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
He never said he has all powers but he was given which means the One who gave him is still ABOVE him!

Thanks to you and your criticism, this period I am in the mood for answering questions and teaching.
This last day, I have been trying to help you Guys understand the divinity of Christ. I have taught you from the scriptures proving that you don't need books written by members of your organization to teach the gospel.

Foreign Affairs › Re: French, UK Leaders Rush To Washington At A Historic Turning Point For The West by tctrills: 8:40am On Feb 25, 2025

MadamExcellency:
European loans to Ukraine are secured by assets while US deliveries are called grants. Europeans get African brains. Nothing goes for nothing.

Don't blame Trump. If Europeans had called their gift grants then it would have been wise for Donald Trump to let go but the USA was shortchanged

Just blame the idiot Biden.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 8:29am On Feb 25, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
He never said he has all powers but he was given which means the One who gave him is still ABOVE him!

So today, it's English class.
Now if you give me N100 naira, do I have N100 or not?
It's one thing not to believe the Saviour and another thing to pretend to be ignorant.
In primary one, did they not teach you, chichi has 2 oranges, I now give her 4 more, how many oranges does chichi have?

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 8:13am On Feb 25, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
The person who DELEGATES to him has all the power o!

Ok, Just Christ says he has all powers and MaxInDHouse says he doesn't. I guess it's not too hard to know who is lying.
Note; Jesus Christ never lies.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 8:05am On Feb 25, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
Surely you don't know the meaning of that word!

Almighty simply means the one who has all the power Jesus was given authority by the One who has all the power which means he is still WORKING under someone nah!

We just read in Matthew.
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
So stop confusing yourself. If you are given all power, it means you have all power.
Should we also start an English class?

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:57am On Feb 25, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
Highlighted can never ever work with a JW because Jesus is not the Almighty or the only true God! Psalms 83:18; John 17:3

You often forget all the things i ~~taught~~ told you about the only true religion we have a pure language that can never ever mix with other languages!

It's only a rebellious or disobedient child among us that will mix the language with that of you people!

What does the word almighty mean?
It means having complete power; omnipotent.
Now read Matthew 28.18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
So again, you are wrong.

Again, he inherits all his Father has, meaning he is the one true God.

Foreign Affairs › Re: US Votes Against UN Resolution Condemning Russia’s War Against Ukraine by tctrills: 7:47am On Feb 25, 2025

temitope27:
We all know trump is PUTIN boy

Like for Russia

You know nothing. You are on a path to bring peace and settle a conflict and at the same time, you want a toothless and meaningless resolution condemning one of the parties, how does that make sense?
Instead of doing everything to bring Russia to the negotiation table, the UN is only interested in prolonging the war.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:39am On Feb 25, 2025

cornelboy:
Inherit?

God gave Jesus authority and the kingdom to fulfill some specific purpose. Soon Jesus will hand everything back to his Father God.

I cor 15:24,28

What you wrote is super correct and it's not in argument. So we both agree that Jesus Christ was given all power and authority right? and he shares all the titles of the Father.
Now, you say that Jesus Christ is to fulfill specific purpose and that my be true but then, he was given all things, all authority. He was not given some specific authority or some specific powers. So why do you have a problem accepting this scriptural truth.
It was never up to you to pick and choose which authority Jesus Christ has. His Father gave him everything so why would you be the one to decide which of his Father's titles he is worthy of?
Or do you have any scriptural evidence to support your claims? You don't. Then why not you just believe the Word of God?

Let me share a verse with you, I hope this will open your eyes to Gods plan for his children.

Revelation 3:12 – "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

Here, those that overcome will bear the name of God. Think about this for a minute.
Remember we read in John 17 Jesus Christ prayed that those who believe in him become one with him and the Father?
Now you are beginning to see that it means a lot more than husband and wife relationship.

If we may one day bear the name of God, why are you shocked that his Christ is bearing all his titles?

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 8:25pm On Feb 24, 2025

cornelboy:
Jesus and God are not in the same position.
We clearly see that from the verse you quoted, when Jesus overcame, his father and God promoted him and allow him sit on his throne.

Concerning the title, "God" and "lord", like you said it's just a title, that's why we have many gods and lords. Even humans were God's and lords. Just title.

So that's cleared

Who saved Israel from Egypt, Moses, God or both of them?
Any answer you get here should also go for your question

I have answered your question above but one thought came to me. Since we are both on the same side that the Father gave his titles to his Son, then what do you have against Jesus Christ being the one true God?
Remember, the Father did not withhold anything from the Son, the Son inherited it all. Why do you think this has to be different. Why do you think God will break his own promise and principle when it comes to this.
I know God keeps all his promises who think you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 8:17pm On Feb 24, 2025

cornelboy:
Jesus and God are not in the same position.
We clearly see that from the verse you quoted, when Jesus overcame, his father and God promoted him and allow him sit on his throne.

Concerning the title, "God" and "lord", like you said it's just a title, that's why we have many gods and lords. Even humans were God's and lords. Just title.

So that's cleared

Who saved Israel from Egypt, Moses, God or both of them?
Any answer you get here should also go for your question

So the Father did not give the son just any title, he have him his very own title.
So let's get it cleared up. How many other gods do you know that are everlasting Father, beginning and the end the Savoir etc.
As we know, the Son inherited everything from the Father.
Hope we are still on the same page?

And don't worry, you can ask me as many questions as you can as long as there is an answer in the bible, you will get it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Spoke To Moses? by tctrills: 7:38pm On Feb 24, 2025

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣🤣this man na twister.

Tctrills, do your statements below c ontradicts itself?

"Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality."
So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

"But if God took the form of a man so he could live the human experience, living his glory behind, does it mean he was not God at the time?
I don't know and the question was not attempted in the scriptures. We don't know everything about the mystery of God."

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Spoke To Moses? by tctrills: 7:36pm On Feb 24, 2025

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣🤣this man na twister.

Tctrills, do your statements below contradicts itself?

"Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality."
So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

"But if God took the form of a man so he could live the human experience, living his glory behind, does it mean he was not God at the time?
I don't know and the question was not attempted in the scriptures. We don't know everything about the mystery of God."

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Spoke To Moses? by tctrills: 7:35pm On Feb 24, 2025

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣🤣this man na twister.

Tctrills, do your statements below contradicts itself?

"Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality."
So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

"But if God took the form of a man so he could live the human experience, living his glory behind, does it mean he was not God at the time?
I don't know and the question was not attempted in the scriptures. We don't know everything about the mystery of God."

I believe this is how you have fun. Go ahead. But if you are ever ready to learn you will ask a question

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Spoke To Moses? by tctrills: 7:33pm On Feb 24, 2025

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣🤣this man na twister.

Tctrills, do your statements below contradicts itself?

"Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality."
So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

"But if God took the form of a man so he could live the human experience, living his glory behind, does it mean he was not God at the time?
I don't know and the question was not attempted in the scriptures. We don't know everything about the mystery of God."

Oga if the goal here is for you to be repeating your questions, I am not sure I know how to handle such case.
If you are not satisfied with the answers I gave them ask a follow up question.
Right now, I honestly don't know your concern.
I have tried to understand you but you are not helping yourself.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:30pm On Feb 24, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i don't have your time.

Ire o!

You claim that I never answer questions but today I have taken it upon me to answer all the questions of your boy yet you are not satisfied.
With you, there is no pleasing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:27pm On Feb 24, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i don't have your time.

Ire o!

Oya go nah. We are not 2 fighting housewives. I am here to share ideas not to nag.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:26pm On Feb 24, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ i've told you several times that JWs are individuals who have made sure of all things {1Thessalonians 5:21} unlike you people who don't know and don't want to know through the help of your fellow man yet you want to TEACH what you don't know! 2Timothy 3:7

Yea, you have told me several times what your governing body told you but you have also proved several times that those words don't mean much to you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Spoke To Moses? by tctrills: 7:24pm On Feb 24, 2025

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣🤣this man na twister.

Tctrills, do your statements below contradicts itself?

"Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality."
So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

"But if God took the form of a man so he could live the human experience, living his glory behind, does it mean he was not God at the time?
I don't know and the question was not attempted in the scriptures. We don't know everything about the mystery of God."

I have explained it 5 times already. Please read my explanation nah.
If you don't understand my explanation, tell me what you don't understand and I will do a better job.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:21pm On Feb 24, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
OK my own brother Cornelboy knows so he can't be on the same page with a blind religionist like you!

Purposeful life based on knowledge of God eludes even clergymen. One well-known cleric said: “Why sin? Why suffering? Why the devil? These are questions I want to ask the Lord when I get to heaven.”—U.S.News & World Report, May 3, 1993

Cornelboy will teach you if you humble yourself because he has been taught by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses unlike those who taught you that can't answer scriptural questions!

One more thing, I am sure you see how I have been able to answer his questions using the revealed words. I saw no need to insult or change topic all I needed to do was to quote the revealed word. I did not quote a governing body, I quoted the words of the Savior Jesus Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:16pm On Feb 24, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
OK my own brother Cornelboy knows so he can't be on the same page with a blind religionist like you!

Purposeful life based on knowledge of God eludes even clergymen. One well-known cleric said: “Why sin? Why suffering? Why the devil? These are questions I want to ask the Lord when I get to heaven.”—U.S.News & World Report, May 3, 1993

Cornelboy will teach you if you humble yourself because he has been taught by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses unlike those who taught you that can't answer scriptural questions!

It's one thing to know and it's another thing to think you know. The goal here is not to claim to know all things. We know what has been revealed by God not by a governing body.
Man will and has deceived you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:14pm On Feb 24, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
See what he's saying on another thread about God's word:

What he is trying to tell you is that God's word contradicts itself so you can believe side A against side B but what is baffling me is how he wants to reconcile with JWs who believes there is no contradictions in the word of our God!

Again, you choose to be a hypocrite. In the past you have told me that my translation of the bible is incorrect so why pretend to be sensational when I say that I suspect translation errors. Even when we agree, you have a way of finding fault. Your wife go dey hear am hot from you. Troublesome.

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