₦airaland Forum

kelvindj98:
Una no just get sense for Nairaland. How does 25% tariffs on imports in USA concern us in Nigeria. Must every news be linked to Nigeria. Bunch of illiterates.

That was what I was going to ask. How does tariffs of US imports increase price in Nigeria?

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever my church say about our own Jesus should be left within us if you can't mention the name of your own church there are thousands of churches saying different things about their own Jesus.

Do you agree Jesus is God's son?
Well i believe so if you too believe there is no need crossing boundaries from what my church teaches its our own discovery.

The Bible never say whether Jesus is or not an angel that's what we discovered!

Loool
The man finally gives up.
I was not asking about your church, I was asking about you. We both promised not to bring up our churches but you have already broken the rule.

I imagine entertaining a JW church and telling them I am tctills. The better beating Dem go give me ehh. Loool. Just joking.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and use it to make disciples and get them baptized nah! Matthew 28:19

Ok I will

MaxInDHouse:
It's ok so there is no need asking further questions on what my church teaches.

Do you believe in the God of Abraham?

Do are you prepared to return to the Angle Michael is Jesus Christ topic without us mentioning your church?

MaxInDHouse:
It's ok so there is no need asking further questions on what my church teaches.

Do you believe in the God of Abraham?

I believe in the God of Abraham. Why ask?

MaxInDHouse:
I have always ask the same question if anyone wants to question my church.

So that's what everyone on this forum knows me for!

One thing is i will not ask for your church if you choose to speak only about what Jesus taught but when you mention my church and start asking questions on how we apply Bible counsel then i will ask for yours too!

Oga, I choose to speak only about what Jesus Christ taught. But you are the one always bringing up your Church.
But from now on, we can agree, let's only debate on the word of God and no church will be brought up. I will love love that.
If we can both agree to that, it would be great.
So instead of us discussing if Angel Michael is Jesus Christ from the JW view, we would look at what the word of God says about the topic no church mentioned.

MaxInDHouse:
How can we ascertain the works of your faith if we don't know your church and how they are applying Bible counsel there?

Why do you think Jesus wrote letters to Churches regarding their application of Bible counsel?

I remember that we are told to have faith in Jesus Christ. If we can ascertain the faith of Abraham without him mentioning where he worshipped on Sundays, then your question is foolish.

MaxInDHouse:
So if there is no interrogation then there is no need to ask why i believe Jesus is Archangel Michael.
Whatever i believe shouldn't be a matter of discussion since i believe Jesus is the son of God just as the Bible says! John 3:16

But if you have to question my beliefs then both of us must present what our churches say about further identification of who Jesus is!

I will ask but you can choose not to answer. And from now own if you are an honest person, before you reply anyone on Nairaland, you must ask the person to tell you his church.
You must apply this to everyone if you are ready honest.
Unless you are only trying to escape my questions.

MaxInDHouse:
You have no faith if there is no presentation to ascertain the works of your faith! James 2:18

That verse did not say that you have no faith if you don't tell someone your church.
Your works is not your church. How do you boys interpret scripture sef.
But let me leave you with the word of God.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Let wisdom guide us.

MaxInDHouse:
Bible doctrines are in harmony so to know where the problem is we need to compare what the Bible says with what each church is PRACTICING because it's contradictions we want to resolve here not interrogating one religion when you have no practical application for what the Bible says!

No, we need to compare what we believe to what the bible says. Thank goodness you said that the goal is not to interrogate each others religion but that's all you want to do. Instead of debating gospel teachings and doctrines, you always want this to be about church interrogation and it makes no sense. You have an entire army behind you with the same unwise goal.

MaxInDHouse:
Olódo!

Jesus said:

You will know the truth and the truth will set you free! John 8:32

How can you be questioning my faith if i can't know yours?

Truth can only be established when both of us present how our churches apply Bible counsel that is when we can both see which one is yielding positive results. But you don't want to talk about your own church so we can't see how Bible counsel is been applied yet you feel you must continue questioning the one that's yielding positive results globally.

Ọmọ you really hate the truth o!

But you question my faith every time we discuss. You know my faith and my believes the only thing you don't know is my affiliation.

And you are wrong, no truth will ever be established if we make this a church competition.
Please explain how the truth will be established if we make this a my church is better than your debate. That will only cause more distraction which is something you guys love.

MaxInDHouse:
Bible doctrines are in harmony but those claiming believers in the Bible are not in harmony!

Good and the solution is to go back to the bible not to go back to your organizations from where the problem came.
Are you saying that if I tell you my organization, the harmony problem will suddenly evaporate?
Oga what is your point.

MaxInDHouse:
LIAR!

2,000 years Satan blindfolded millions but now we are free from his tactics {John 8:32} as true disciples of Christ nothing should stop us from having LOVE, JOY and PEACE among ourselves if truly we are WITNESSES of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 9:6

Relate the verses you mentioned to the topic. Which of these verses say that I need to tell you my church. Stop going off point.

MaxInDHouse:
Why do you think you are asking me the reason for my faith?
Is it not to harmonize Bible doctrines?

So if you don't want to harmonize mine with yours then there is no reason asking me what i believe.

I never started with "leave it like that" rather i tried to see how we can harmonize Bible doctrines but you keep hiding yours so you must leave things as it is!

Again, you are not making sense. The bible doctrines are in harmony. Our discussion will not change that. But I can point out your errors using the bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Definitely you don't know the import of that word "LAW"

For your information it was established so that two or three people may cohabit peacefully.

So if the law of your own Christ doesn't help members of your religion to live as one big PEACEFULLY family then there is no law in your so called Christ your Christ is FAKE!

The Word of God will help everyone that accepts it and follows it to be at peace. All the problems we have in this world will end when everyone follows Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Then leave it like that in my church we believe Jesus is Archangel Michael and we have WORKS backing our FAITH {James 2:18-26} that Jesus (Michael) is WORKING with us as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} helping us to gather all friends of peace {Luke 10:6} to form one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:4

Your argument is very unstable. You want to sell to the world your beliefs that Jesus Christ is Angel Michael and you start with leave it like that.
Leave it like that means no one should question you. If you can't answer people's questions why don't you do what the Muslims did on Nairaland. Ask the board to give you your own special zone where only those sworn to your church will be allowed to comment.

MaxInDHouse:
You are a WORKER OF LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:23

If you can't submit to the teaching of any organized people worshiping together it simply means you are rebellious.

Jesus Christ who is the LORD attended worship center with his people before the establishment of a New Covenant.

Who are you to claim you don't have a church where you are taught how to apply God's word in unism with your fellow believers so that there may be no contradictions among believers? 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:4

For your information Jesus condemns it when you can't submit to any form of doctrine that's what makes Satan isolated because he wanted to establish his own religion though cunningly he made himself the god of this system of things {2Corinthians 4:4} but from the beginning he didn't give Eve any clue that he wants them to obey him instead of God, he stylishly questioned what binds the two worshipers together {Genesis 3:1} when disassociated himself from other angels who are unitedly worshiping God in heaven. Ephesians 5:6

So my guy if you can't present any church where you are receiving teachings but questioning others you are making yourself a child of Satan! John 8:44

If someone lives by the law of the gospel of Jesus Christ, he can never be lawless.

Again, I have never told you that I have or don't have a church. All I have done is not bring up any church in argument. You want me to be like you? But for me to be like you, I need to admire you.

The bible never required us to present a church when discussing with others. Let's not live by your laws and standards. It's ok if you maintain you style. Remember, you once told me that this is marketing to you.

To me, this is recreation. So we don't go by the same rules.

MaxInDHouse:
Normally as a JW i supposed to be asking you questions not telling you the answers but i do feel pity when i see people running off course.

This is what i mean!

You can never ever make a single disciple quoting books because all religions have their own books so if you quote what is written in the Bible religionists of other faith will also quote their own books to prove that they also believe in God {James 2:19} what a true believer will present is not just books but the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what is written in that book which no one can deny it's benefits {James 2:20-23} it's these PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS the Bible called "WORKS" that no other religion can have {James 2:24-25} that's what proved all other religions with their FAITH DEAD! James 2:26

Thousands of different religions claiming they are Christians shows Christianity is the true religion but contradiction is sign of confusion {1Corinthians 14:33} therefore a wise person will figure out where the fine WORKS of this FAITH could be found {1Thessalonians 5:21} of all the religions claiming they are Christians only one has successfully made real disciples who are globally known as preachers and teachers of the Bible just as the founder of that religion commissioned {Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20} OK what is the result or benefit of this?
Because JWs talk with people one on one {Malachi 3:16} they are able to reach the hearts of their listeners {Hebrews 4:12} and whenever anyone decides to dedicate his or her life to their God such a person will first view people from all nations as neighbors that he must love like himself {Mark 12:31} he will begin to see reasons why people do stupid things so he will start having a soft spot for them despite how they hurt him {Luke 6:27-28} and as for his fellow believers he will love them more than his own life! John 13:34-35
This is what makes them surrender their weapons and believe in Jesus' day of judgment against evildoers so they don't carry weapons against anyone nor learn war no more! Isaiah 2:4 compare to Matthew 26:52

There is no religion i challenge anyone on this forum or any other forum to present a WORKING organization like that. Of course you can never ever find any that's why you are all hiding your religion claiming you are Christians and when i asked you to prove John 3:16 so that everyone can see the practical application you can't as you don't know why nice people of other religions must be destroyed simply because of not being Christians!

Your challenge is a stupid challenge that will lead to very low and baseless argument. No one is taking up your challenge because sensible people know that it is a waste of time. The my church is better than your debate is for 5 years old kids. It's just like the Nigerian jollof vs Ghana jollof debate. It will never be resolved.
Now to your first point, Peter, Paul and the other Apostles did not need to quote books from their church members to convert those of other religions. All they needed was the words of Christ and the Holy Ghost to remind and teach them.
Small kids have been able to convert entire families to the gospel without quoting from any book. People have been converted only by acts of kindness. So when you claim that you need books written by members of your church to convert someone, that means you don't know the meaning of conversation.
You need the Spirit of God and the word of God. That's more than enough for conversation.

MaxInDHouse:
What he is saying is simple!

Revelations 1:1 shows that Jesus was sent to us by a greater person so back in heaven God still sends him messages as God's servant the same way Jesus claimed he is God's servant here on earth. John 9:4

It's what God established in that Bible book of Revelations 1:1 that Jehovah's Witnesses are PRACTICING today that's why some must TEACH others in our gathering {Matthew 28:20} while those been taught must be obedient and submissive to those chosen to teach them {Hebrew 13:7, 17} that's why God's organization is working orderly and decently. 1Corinthians 14:40

Your inability to mention your own church is a sign of rebellion, you don't want anyone to teach you it's whatever you decide after reading the Bible that you feel is right and if that's the same way your friends here feels then how are you people worshipers of God who made a decent and orderly arrangement to dispense spiritual food as Jesus was sent to assign apostles to TEACH Jesus' disciples? Act 2:42

Each of you just want to establish his or her own standard independently of one another! Romans 10:2-3

A few things here, no one is arguing with you about hierarchy and order in every organization.
But then you made and incredible leap. From talking about hierarchy and order in heaven, you leaped into my inability to tell you my organization is rebellion. The 2 do not connect.
Is my action rebellion to you, to my organization or to God? Because you are the one demanding the name of my organization. My organization does not insist I tell you and God does not either. So what really is your point?
If telling you the name of my organization would lead you out of error, I would have but we both know that it would not help you in anyway so again, what is your point.

You and your brother are just being silly and looking for trouble where there is none. We have been discussing for years without me disclosing my organization or you having a need for it then all of a sudden, we are talking about Angel Michael and you are not finding the topic easy so you switch to Isaiah 2.2-4 again, I make your life uncomfortable so you run to what is the name of your church argument. Those this make any sense?
This is the definition of aimless argument. You haven't resolved an issue yet you keep moving to other issues. Oga what is your problem.

Janosky:
Is John 9:4 & Revelation 1:1 in your own Bible?
"We must perform the deeds of the One (God )who sent me (Jesus)."

Revelation 1:1
"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John"

Oga,have you worn your goggles to see God's Organization hierarchy functioning in Revelation 1:1 & John 9:4?

Whose assignment did Jesus ,other angels and Jehovah's servants perform at Revelation 1:1 & John 9:4?

Hierarchy & leadership is functional in all organizations, including God's organization Hebrew 13:7,17

Happy new year sir. I don't really understand your line of questioning. It seems you are trying to say something but you are not expressing it clearly. I am not sure how any of the verses you quoted counters anything I wrote.

MaxInDHouse:
Use your brain!

Imagine i'm a Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu or Judaist do you think i won't have something to call the WORD of my own God?
So what can you quote to convince me in the book written by members of your own religion to support your God?
Christians wrote what you want to quote for me in the Bible just as Muslims or Buddhists or Hindus or Judaists also have what members of their religions wrote in support of their religions.
That's why Jesus said it's by the FRUIT of the true religion that sincere and honest hearted individuals will recognize it {Matthew 7:16-18} not just written codes!
If you present the group practicing your faith the only thing that could stop any sincere observer from joining is when he or she has something similar or better, that's why Jesus said with the teaching he gave his disciples if they truly practice it they will be noticable globally! Matthew 5:14-16

So it's not just about quoting books as if other religions don't have books!

What are you even talking about, you mean I should not use the Word of God to preach but I should depend on books written by members of an organization? The Word of God is more powerful than any book written by members of your organization and I will stick to that.
The verses you quoted don't even help your argument. You are making an argument that I should teach people from books written by members of an organization and you are quoting Matthew 5:14-16. Haba

Kobojunkie:
It is always the way you lot confidently beat your chests over your blatant ignorance that makes me wonder why! ***shudder***

You have left the topic to start discussing me. Your obsession with me is not healthy. Please return to the topic and stop making me your topic.

MaxInDHouse:
You have nothing to prove!

I believe Jesus is God's son just as Bible teaches and i join a group of preachers and teachers doing what Jesus commanded so to convince me that i'm wrong you need to present a better performing group than the one i work with which you are working with not just arguing aimlessly claiming a global family of peace loving worshipers are all wrong simply because you feel so!

You are right, I have nothing to prove. But then I don't need to present you a group, I need to present you with the Word of God. Jesus Christ told us to teach one another the Word of God. He did not teach us to go about doing a group competition. If you cant believe the word of God, na group you go believe?

MaxInDHouse:
Olódo!

You don't even know what to say about the matter yet you want to claim you can preach about Christ!

You might be right. I just might be an olodo because for more than 4 years I have failed to pull you out of falsehood. I need to try harder.

Kobojunkie:
It is always the way you lot confidently beat your chests over your blatant ignorance that makes me wonder why! ***shudder***

If you were wise, you would have read at least one of the papers before you continued with the argument. Oga since you are too lazy, let's not insult ourselves, just go.

MaxInDHouse:
Olódo!

Someone has good deeds and his own religion is it not through what you say that he will feel the need to become one of Jesus' disciples?

Olódo!

It's not about what you say. for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. It's not about the things you memorize. Teach the gospel of Christ and let the Spirit do its work.

Kobojunkie:
It is always the way you lot confidently beat your chests over your blatant ignorance that makes me wonder why! ***shudder***

Insult is free but after insulting, please find these papers and read them.
Parental Divorce, Familial Risk for Depression, and Psychopathology in Offspring: A Three-Generation Study by Myrna M. Weissman et al. (2018)

The Role of Parental Divorce in Childhood on Depression Among Adults by Sarah A. Myer (2021)

Anxiety, depression and associated factors among recently divorced individuals by Severin D. Soukup et al. (2020)

(PDF) Parental Divorce and Depression by Naomi Wauterickx, Anneleen Gouwy, and Piet Bracke (2013)

DIVORCE AND DEPRESSION: A FORENSIC CASE OF OUR OBSERVATION AND PREVENTION STRATEGIES by C. Scalise et al. (2023)

MaxInDHouse:
OK so you don't know how to convince someone who practices another religion why he must become a disciple of Christ shey?

You that say you believe in Christ, have I been able to convince you of your falsehood?
Our only duty is to preach the word of Christ to them, the convincing and conversion is left to them and God.

Kobojunkie:
OP is not divorced yet she is lonely and depressed in marriage. So, what the f0--ck is with the inane attempt to link depression to divorce? Nonsense!

This man, already, there is a big link between divorce and depression. It has been studied and papers have been written on it.
It's ok if you take time to study.

MaxInDHouse:
So what happens to all the good deeds of those practicing other religions?


Mr Tirimisiu don provoke!

The bible never said what happens if you have good deeds without faith in Christ. As you know, I depend only on what has been revealed. We are taught that unless we believe in Christ, we can't be saved. That's enough for me.

MaxInDHouse:
So do you believe it's only Christians that will have everlasting life? John 3:16

Oga, you are just beating round the bush from topic to topic.
Are you asking me if I believe the words of Jesus Christ in John 3.16?
My answer is 100% yes.

Kobojunkie:
Oh yes! Having a grown-arsed man as a dependent simply for the purpose of his dick is the only way for her to have a good life... WOW. If she were your daughter, would you ask her the same inane question? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Yes I would. I don't make hasty decisions. And I know many who divorced and became more depressed. I wouldn't want that for my daughter.