₦airaland Forum

SwissMass:
Maybe I miss the point being part of your family to be pathetic, if bitter grievingory Obi have set Nigeria on another Biafra war fire, what will be left of our family in Nigeria, no one is hating bitter grievingory Obi the religious war crooner, but we don't want war.

Civil war. What's even wrong with you? What has Obi ever done that is against the law or that is violent. You are the one creating the hate and violence here. Obi has only been been peaceful.
Please stop this rubbish.

MetalJigsaw:
My brother... Its really disheartening to know that we're living amongst so many brainless and shiftless people in this part of the world.

You just hit the nail on the head.

thesicilian:
That I don't believe in him means I hate him? You just proved that you're obidient.

You keep proving you are a cheap tribalist. Who asked you to believe in him. The thing here is that you don't even believe in the truth and yes I support Obi.
Someone just told you of how wasteful your presidency is but because that someone is Obi, you have to hate and disrespect an entire tribe. Shame on you.

SwissMass:
Who is Bitter grievingory Obi when Wole Soyinka is mentioned

Both are great men, you should be concerned about your legacy.
And your contribution to the world. Obi has played his part but you are here hating and being bitter.
Oga work on yourself stop being pathetic.

thesicilian:
Well thinking Nigerians do not believe Peter Obi is different from Tinubu and Atiku or even Buhari. If we were to do a census of obidients today, more than 90% would be Igbos, and the massive support is purely tribal/sentimental. Putting an old equipment in a new carton does not change the quality of the equipment.

You just proved that you are nothing but a tribalist. And a cheap and dirty one for that matter.
You find it very easy to criticize Obi who isn't in government.
What is wrong with his statement? Even if you hate him, are you comfortable with your government building houses worth billions for themselves.
That you still have time to fight Obi instead of the government that is keeping you poor amazing me

SwissMass:
Bitter grievingory Obi can never achieve what Wole Soyinka achieved, bitter grieving obi is a local former governor, Soyinka is a Nobel Laureate price winner known around the world. bitter grieving obi continue crying and mourning seriously after he was crushed and humiliated.

Actually a local government chairman has more power and influence than a Nobel laureate.
Peter Obi or any governor could impact millions of lives for good or bad but how does Wole's Nobel prize change the price of garri in the market. I would rather be a governor than win a Nobel for writing a book.

MrPresident1:
Daniel 11:40-45
King James Version
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The king of the North is Russia and it's Confederates including China, Iran, Turkey, North Korea, Belarus, Egypt etc
The King of the South is USA and its confederates including the EU and NATO

The Passage explains what shall happen between both of them during this end time, and this forms the spiritual basis for the ongoing Russian SMO Special Military Operations currently ongoing in Ukraine.

America is actually in the northern hemisphere

AmiableMosquito:

Everything you have said is off point, but it's your prerogative, so enjoy.
So everyone in FIRS has to study taxation, accounting or finance? oh goodness!
Ever had of OTJ training? One of the best Ministers of Trade and Investment we've had in Nigeria (Olusegun Aganga) has a background in Biological Science. Deal with that! Chai, ignorance is truly a disease. I couldn't just ignore this your post, I had to educate you a bit because of others, following and learning from our conversation.
E say na unskilled labourer. Do you even understand the meaning of the term you are using or you just stumbled on it recently?

Well, everyone is either a billionaire or employer of labour on Nairaland. I wish you all well. Keep employing. That's what we pray for

Bold of you to think I am a political jobber or sympathetic to any political party. But of course, anyone who is not against the elites are against you the poor people, abi?

Ogbeni, have a nice day. I'm tired of typing. It's not like you are even making any sense.

This is just nonsense.
Everyone in Nigeria has a job. You are clearly a political jobber and a very bad one at that. Have a nice day

Beautifulday:
What do FIRS need such money for? Do they carry out capital projects?

Imagine states that pay salary and carry out capital projects collecting less money?

Don't mind that boy

AmiableMosquito:
The amount allocated to health and education was generated by who in the first place?

Thanks for pointing out where your grievance is coming from. Your inability to join your friends at FIRS.

Have you told your friends to their face that they are "privileged unskilled labourers" or are you just a hypocrite? Have a nice holiday!

Sir I have a better life than most people in FIRS and it's unwise of you to think that everyone fighting for a better Nigeria is as greedy as you are.
I have built my own business and I have employees. Some i have gotten from Nairaland so do you want me to exchange that for corruption.
Oga, if you study geography or history and you are working in FIRS does anyone need to tell you that you are an unskilled labourer.
The problem isn't with my friends it's with people like you and your evil government.

AmiableMosquito:
Unskilled labour tax collectors? What do you know about FIRS or NUPRC or NIMASA? How many departments of these agencies can you mention and name their responsibilities? You make me laugh. Stop relying on beer parlour gist.

You and your government are the funny ones here. But it's too corrupt that one can't laugh.
You spend more money on FIRS than you do on education and health and you don't see anything wrong with it? Your entire government is a beer palour government. Stop encouraging corruption.
Just so you know. I have friends working at FIRS and I know what some of them studied in the university. As I said, it's a bunch of privileged unskilled labourers.

AmiableMosquito:
What is corrupt in adhering to the law guiding you? Most of these RGAs are permitted by law to keep 4% of their total revenues. This encourages them to go all out to increase the drive, because a lower revenue means a lower 4%.

You sincerely expect NUPRC staff to be earning same as National Arts and Gallery staff? You lots are deluded. You hate to see any rich public servant. It must be tagged corruption.

People like you make me laugh. Rich public servants? How does that even sound in your ears.
Oga if you are talking about encouraging public servants you should be talking about teachers, nurses and doctors not some unskilled labour tax collectors and definitely not a mega corrupt organization.

AmiableMosquito:
I don't understand what this news article aims to achieve. These are productive revenue generating agencies of government that brings the bulk of the money that the lazy and unproductive state governors come to share in Abuja monthly and which they subsequently loot and plunder to the detriment of the citizens.

If these agencies meet and even sometimes surpass their targets, there is nothing wrong in taking a cost of collection for smooth operations. Afterall, these agencies are self-funded and do not rely on the national treasury to pay their staff. If not for these league of GOEs, a majority of other government agencies are more of liabilities than assets, with many of them not carrying out their core mandate because they are either too clueless or constrained to do so.

Is it that you can see corruption or you choose to ignore it?
You give multi billions to a federal agency and you can't see corruption playing out.
Again, how is the federal government better than the lazy state governors?

mariovito:
Foolish is a strong word to use and should be applied cautiously.

You might be right but I used it cautiously and in place of a stronger word.
If the Arab world feels it is better to risk the lives to 2 million Palestinians in fear of depopulating Gaza, it is not only foolish, it is wicked.
Let the people of Gaza decide if the want to remain there. The Arab world should not make that decision for they.
Egypt should have been persuaded to take them in.

The average Arab doesn't care about the Palestinians. They are only united in their hate for Israel.
The Arab world is more than 100 times bigger than Israel they can assimilate the entire Palestinians without feeling a thing but we know that they don't care.

GBTYO:
The satanic US is currently waging a proxy war against a nuclear armed Russia and is also pushing another war with China over Taiwan.

You underestimate the level of the sociopaths and pyschopaths running the US.

They will rather burn the planet than lose their power.

See this hungry Nigerian calling the US satanic. Is there any country more satanic than your APC led Nigeria?
You are waiting for US downfall when you have already fallen off the cliff. Hungry and wicked haters.

mariovito:
Beyond the fear of opening their borders to radicalized refugees, allowing Palestinian refugees would only help Israel achieve their aim of depopulating Gaza for their occupation.

This is the most foolish thing I ever heard. So you will rather endanger civilians by keeping them right on the war front than helping them because you don't want to depopulate Gaza.
How about letting the refugees make that choice for themselves. Let's those who choose to stay remain behind and give shelter to those who wish to leave.
Which is more important to the Arab world, depopulating Gaza or protecting civilians?

TechCapon:
Rams that eat just grass and drink water is priced at one million. We're just our own problem, no need to blame bad government for everything

Government agent spotted

Franklybiin:
Despite Israel’s ferocious effort to kill him, Sinwar has survived and micromanaged Hamas’s war effort, drafting letters, sending messages to cease-fire negotiators and deciding when the U.S.-designated terrorist group ramps up or dials back its attacks.

A man defying all odds

I am sure he is your hero. You will even name your kids after him.

Acekidc4:
Exaggeration will not kill all this fake bloggers who likes to blow things out of proportion 🤨

Oya you tell us the correct cost of the gold nah

AntiChristian:
You can't prove the words of the new testament were taught from the days of Jesus. You can't. Paul's Book came out first before any of the Gospels. Why is this? Paul that never met Jesus ended up writing about 13 Books of the New Testament.

In continuing with the New Testament, most scholars accept that Paul’s writings were the first of the New Testament to be written. Dr. Dale B. Martin dates 1st Thessalonians to be from 47 CE, Prof. Bart Ehrman dates it to be from 49 CE, either way the earliest Christian New Testament ‘scripture’ can theoretically be traced back to a man who admitted to being a fool (2 Cor. 11:1, 16), to being demon possessed by a Satan sent by Christ (2 Cor. 12:6-11), who stole the name of a Pagan Roman leader (Acts 13:7-9), and who disagreed with the brother of Jesus, even fighting with the Disciples who lived with Christ and referring to them as not true believers! Heck, he even denounces a significant portion of two Gospels by criticizing the biographies included in them in Titus 3:9.



What teachings do they have when most of the disciples were not literate? Could fishermen write?
I said the Book of John was the last Book to be compiled about 80-100 years after Jesus. Did John himself write that book 80 years after Jesus?

But I just gave you the proof in John 17
Read verse 20.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Here Jesus is praying for those who will believe the teachings of his Apostles. How simple can it get, the Teachings/writings of his apostles are approved by him. and the blessings for accepting them are the very same for accepting his teachings. I guess this answers your question.

Now you ask another question. You claim his apostles could not write. But as a Muslim, you should know better. Did Mohamed write the Quran?
Does it matter if they wrote it with their own hands or got someone to scribe it for them?

Also, read.
Matthew 28:19-20

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The teachings of the Apostles are the things Jesus commanded them.
So when Peter taught that For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: We know it is true.
When John reveals that they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb we also know it is true.

Also read
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
This verse explains how the New Testament came about.

AntiChristian:
The Bible came about 360 years after Jesus! So you'll agree the New Testament is not a criteria for their salvation.



The Gospel of John itself was compiled about 80 - 100years after Jesus! It was the last Gospel to be compiled! I don't even think John the supposed writer John survived till that period!

So those that died before its compilation really do not need it!
Where does the words and writings of the apostles exist in?

The words of the new testament were taught from the days of Jesus. The collection of books known as the new testament came out much latter but the teachings of the new testament were there hundreds of years before. Peter. Paul, and the other Apostles taught these things to the people many years before the official collation of the books.
Do you understand me now.
Those that died before the compilation had these teachings already. These were the church's Paul wrote to, the people peter preached to so yes, they enjoyed the very same words as we do today maybe more than we do today.
For example, the letter John wrote to the seven churches existed many years before the compilation of the bible.
The compilation of the bible was just the process of putting together these records that were already available to the church.

AntiChristian:
Question 1
If the earliest Christians within the first two centuries after Jesus did not need a New Testament to qualify their faith, why do modern Christians have such a need? If they did not sanction or consider any other writing beside the Old Testament to be scripture, then isn’t it a digression from the ‘true faith‘ of the earliest believers to incorporate something new as scripture?

The first New Testament was codified and canonized by the heretic Marcion who believed that the Jewish YHWH was not the true God, the first time the largest Christian Church sanctioned a New Testament was during the 2nd Ecumenical Council of Carthage in 397 CE, some 360+ years after Jesus.

Oh, you have a very good question.
The earlier Christians depended on the Apostles' spoken words and their letters. So, it's very much the same thing.
Below is a long reading but it will help answer your question.
John 17
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

The words and writings of the Apostles existed even before the canonization of the New Testament.

AntiChristian:
You mean the Old Testament (OT)? The NW wasn't available as you have it today till closely about 400 years after Jesus!

What did Jesus himself write while alive? Moses wrote! David wrote! Jesus was literate so what did he write?

The Ephesians you quote is it the word of Jesus? Some even said it wasn't written by Paul!
And you are here claiming you know the words of Jesus!

I don't understand your first question please rephrase it. But then, the books of the old testament were largely available in the time of Jesus Christ. Still not sure I get what you are trying to communicate with your first question.
There is no record of Jesus Christ writing and if he did not write, it's because it wasn't the will of the Father for him to do so. He said he only did the will of the father.
Now your question about Ephesians still shows you are looking at the bible the way you do the Quran.
Ephesians is the word of God.
2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

This means that the word, be it from Moses, Jesus Christ, of Paul when they speak when moved by the Holy Ghost, what they say is the word of God.

Bravery24:
Watch this video link below and decides

https://www.facebook.com/soneye.batunde/videos/498038993737544/?mibextid=Nif5oz

You guys made a video to make yourselves feel good.
One question for you though.
How come more than 90% of religious motivated killings in the 21st century was committed by islamist?
Answer this question and you would have convinced me.

tanigororo:
Isreal is keeping more than 10,000 civilians including children and women in prison, who were abducted in their homes and without any charges or trial. That was what they are negotiating for with those hostages, and the basis of October 7 2023.

Isreal is not ready to negotiate withdrawal from Gaza, they really want to acquire that strip of land. A week prior to October 7, Israel prime minister presented a map with no Palestine on it, meaning they are ready to wipe Palestine out of the map.

Beer palour tales

AntiChristian:
Actually we all know the Bible was not a project that was planned to be in the first place! I mean it was not a thought out plan.

Who are the apostles? Was Paul an apostle? How come one who never met Jesus later wrote more that all the apostles that met Jesus in real time? Also Luke and Mark never met Jesus. And why is it that some letters of Paul were in circulation at closely the same time as Mark? Luke and Matthew came later while John was very much later!

He shall teach you ALL things, so what has HE taught you all for the last 2000 years?
Lovely verse but the scripture is not for salvation! Many Christians in the first and second centuries only made do with the old testament! They never know anything like the New Testament.

Actually Jesus did forget to tell you guys plainly you need to believe in his death to be saved!

I can't believe God can have sons. This is like those Greek gods Apollos, etc. How does God have sons? Begotten reproduction of sex or adoption? Or can it be asexual reproduction?

Revelation should stop when the messenger is no more!
When Moses died who can add to the Torah?
When David died who can add to the Psalms?
Na only New Testament get continuation...since it was not a plan from God!

Again, you are looking at the bible with your knowledge of the Quran.
The revelations in the bible began before the birth of Jesus Christ and it continued after his death. If you can understand that then you wouldn't be asking all these questions.
Secondly, the new testament contains only a fraction of the things Jesus taught or did.
John 21:25
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Again you get it wrong. When Moses died, the revelations of God did not stop. It was we humans that divided the word of God into books and section.
Do you understand it now?
I guess these few paragraphs addresses all your issues.
Who told you that christians in the new testament did not know the words of Jesus? What do you think was the duty of his Apostles?
Ephesians 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

paymentvoucher:
It's time we invest on heavy farming in this country...

Invest on good roads from farming communities to the market. Invest on security for the farmers and see if you will be telling the same story by next year.
We already have enough farm labor and enough land. Just roads and security will make all the difference.

Honestey:
Children of hate, you have been supporting this wicked Israel and you are also added to that blacklist

Children of love and terrorists lovers keep supporting Hamas. Your list means nothing.

Goodnewsforlife:
many of u igbos are yet to get over d election loss trauma

It’s unfortunate that with this your attitude to loss, u will keep losing

Oga who is losing. Only a fool will think that it's the igbos losing. The entire Nigeria is losing it to bad governance.
Since Tinubu became president, are things cheaper in his home state of Osun? Are the roads better in the SW. In fact the data shows that the SE has by far the best road network in Nigeria. Show are the igbos losing and others gaining. Please tell us.

AntiChristian:
Of course Jesus forgot to tell his anyone directly that they must believe he died for their sins to be saved!

Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).

Never for once did he tell anyone they have to believe in his death to be saved!

But then Paul happened!

Romans 10:8-12
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”

Paul as usual misquoting Devarim 30:14 totally out of context!
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.

Where can we find “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” in the scriptures?

Definitely not Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. Isaiah 28:16

Back to where we diverted from, Jesus never told anyone to believe he's gonna die to save the world!
Paul did!
The Nicaea Creed did!

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

Very intelligent as usual but the answers you seek are very simple.
There is a reason why the bible is from Genesis to Revelation and not from Matthew to John.
As Christians, we know that the words of Christ and his Apostle are one.
It's the same spirit that gives them utterance.
So if you did not hear it directly from Jesus Christ but you heard it from his Apostles, you don't need to doubt.
This is the word of Christ to his Apostles.
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Also read
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Finally, if you believe the words of Christ, you will believe the words of his Apostles. Your only problem is that you don't believe him when he tells you that he is the Son of God.
You are actually not doing badly. Your only problem is that you are trying to experience the bible as you do the Quran but there is a very big difference. While the Quran begins and ends with the "revelations" of Mohamed, the bible continues after Jesus went to heaven.

CrossRhodes:
You don give zombie assignment
We wait for answers but I doubt any reasonable response

I believe helinues is beginning to do some reading and research now. Sometimes we need to open these people's eyes.