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helinues:
The more food you produce, the cheaper the price of food.

Basic economic studies.

Then why is food cheaper in Nigeria than in US?
The countries with the cheapest food are some of the countries with the lowest Agricultural production
1. Afghanistan
2. Kyrgyzstan
3. Algeria
4. Syria
5. Nepal

helinues:
Easy this time

Our 20+ % Agricultural GDP revenue is still what makes food items to be so cheap compared to those countries you listed

Here is a second comment to help you think differently.
The question you should be asking is,
Why is Belgium, a country smaller that Oyo state and with Agriculture less than 1% of it's GDP exporting much more food than Nigeria.
If you can solve this, then you have solved your problem.

helinues:
Easy this time

Our 20+ % Agricultural GDP revenue is still what makes food items to be so cheap compared to those countries you listed

Wrong again. There is no correlation between the two. Food is always cheaper in the poorer countries and in countries with highest percentage of hungry people

helinues:
Go back to what you quote, this time read gently

Top 10 food exporting countries are, The US, Netherlands, Brazil, Germany, China, France, Spain, Canada, Italy, Belgium.

Agriculture is not up to 10% on any of their GDPs.
So what exactly is your point?
Please educate yourself on the issue. We don't need Agriculture to be 20% of GDP before we become a food export giant.

helinues:
If your agriculture makes just 6% of your country GDP, that means you are producing less agricultural products while importing more.

In Nigeria, agriculture used to be our major source of income hence Nigeria is one of the few countries where food items are cheap.

Declining in Agriculture % means we are producing less hence the ridiculous high price of food items

US, the Netherlands, and Russia are 3 food exporting giants so you are wrong.
In fact, agriculture has a higher percentage of GDP in Nigeria than the top 10 food exporting nations in the world. Please look it up and learn.

helinues:
Meaning agriculture have been declining hence the high rise of prices of food items .

Why should things we don't import like yams, garri be selling at ridiculous prices?

That's not what it means.
In the US, agriculture makes up just 6% of GDP yet the US is the biggest exporter of food.
Netherlands is the second biggest exporter of Food Agriculture makes up less than 2% of their GDP.
Russia is the biggest export of grain and edible oil agriculture makes up less than 6% of their GDP.
So it's a good thing that other sections are catching up. Agriculture is one of the least profitable economic activities in any economy.
It's a good thing that communication and others are growing.

VeryDarkMan01:


No place like Africa

Africa is not the biggest producer of banana. I am sure you already knew this though.

budaatum:
If that weren't true, I'd be here arguing that the so called Iranian revolution was just a coup, but since some call it a revolution, arguing it isn't would be ridiculous.


This earns my utmost respect.

Revolution is a complex word. Its why I offered the more complex wikipedia definition and not just some simplified meaning from a dictionary. The wiki shows the complexity and the varying meanings of the word while also showing the various arguments about what constitutes a revolution.

Its in the eye of the beholder. I mentioned Eve as an example of a revolutionary person, but you said she was just being disobedient. The objection to South Africa's apartheid was a revolution, but some call those revolting terrorists. Jesus Christ was a revolutionist, but he died in the process. And when we consider the outcomes, like the millions who died in China's Cultural Revolution, you see it as bad, while many look at China's resulting rise today in envy. That, is how complex this is.

Anyway, after all that. Thank you very much for the interesting respectful discussion. You are appreciated.

Welcome bro

GBTYO:
You are the ones crying of hunger daily .

Stop projecting you sufferings on others.

Loool. We are not the ebimpawa gang na. Loool.
I have never seen a person more terrified by Igbos like you.
Do you see us in your dreams.
Every topic, you must find a way to make it about my people. Who did this to you. My boy. You are finished

GBTYO:
It seems you people are still traumatized by the great hunger games of 1967-1970 with this your infatuation that others are hungry like your malnourished parents .

Loool. But you are the one complaining nah. Clearly you are traumatized.
You keep seeing ghosts

GBTYO:
Lolz.

No worry.

You go soon get your Biafra and we will see where that useless passport go carry you enter.

You are just too funny. You should be concern about what your kids will eat this night not Biafra. Learn to mind your business.

GBTYO:
You have been looking into the mirror.

Boy we know your type. Na una full embassy. Keep insulting people far better than you can ever be.
Terrorist

GBTYO:
Why will I seek visa to America ?

I have been there severally on short trips and I do not see anything there that will make me leave Nigeria for it

Not everyone is a born suffer head 0hu product like some of you here.

Lol we know the hungry ones.

GBTYO:
US is finished.

They sold their nation to Jews and are now reaping the curse.

Their petrol dollar is being rejected.

The US has nothing else but Jewish degeneracy in the form of p0rn, Hollywood propaganda, onlyfans and anal sex to export to the rest of the world.

The world does not need the US and the sooner it burns to the ground the better the rest of humanity will be

Funny people. Yet you will sell your mother for a US Visa.
If US is finished, what is Nigeria?

ResourceMan:
You guys are too funny. You do not even understand the economy at all.
The poultry business will crash completely if the owner does not meet up with cost of production and sales. While Awara becomes the replacement and new meat and egg. Boom, Awara becomes very expensive and take over the price of meat and eggs. At the end everybody starts from scratch and everything goes back to square one.

Does what you wrote make sense to you?
Awara is much cheaper than meat and egg now. Why isn't it taking over already.

GBTYO:
We will keep that in mind when dealing with IPOB claims of innocence.

Loool. All the best. .
You guys can't hide your hypocrisy.
Please keep it in mind and do your worst.
Funny people

Mikewonah:
Let's continue fighting then🥱 Hamas should not be hiding among armless civilians

Do you know how many innocent Palestinians are rotting in Israeli prisons ?

Do you know how many Palestinian children have been abducted by the synagogue of Satan and from there never to be seen again ?.

Hamas is demanding the release of all Palestinians detained in Israel in exchange for their hostages.


Stop being an imbe online

Just because the Palestinians claim they are innocent doesn't make them innocent.

Xwizard:
this Isreal is about to go down ooo

You guys have been saying this since 1948.

GBTYO:
Do you know how many innocent Palestinians are rotting in Israeli prisons ?

Do you know how many Palestinian children have been abducted by the synagogue of Satan and from there never to be seen again ?.

Hamas is demanding the release of all Palestinians detained in Israel in exchange for their hostages.


Stop being an imbe online

Just because the Palestinians say they are innocent does not make them innocent.

FourQu:
Same can be said about the eggs can't it?

So it's a 'one size fits all' type of situation

That's my point, you can't just decide to sell your product at any price without considering market forces. Be it eggs, condoms, garri, or fish

Usmanovic95:
That's in rare cases, economic theories and principles rarely work here. Sellers will rather store the egg somewhere till serious buyers shows up.And again egg also has other purposes it serves aside for consumption, bakers, people into cosmetic products also buy in large quantity so there will always be demand for it.

Oga I just gave you the most basic economic theory. You don't seem to have any understanding of economics or even eggs. What do you think is the shelf life of eggs?
Again, if you keep storing eggs while your chickens keep laying, there will be an egg glut and you will be forced to sell at a much lower price.
For you to think that increase in competition causes a reduction in price is a rear economic theory, it shows you don't understand.

FourQu:
Even garri is not a necessity and obviously not only one person sells it 😉

And that is why if you decide to sell your garri at one million per cup, no one will buy. Ultimately, market forces determine the price.

Usmanovic95:
Once there is demand for a direct substitute for a commodity. The price of that close substitute starts shooting up till it level up with the price of the main commodity. The price of that your Awara won't remain the same in the upcoming days.

It works both ways. If there is a greater demand for Awara (whatever it is), the price of eggs would fall.
The egg seller will be forced to reduce his price to remain competitive.

budaatum:
No, I wouldn't, since there was nothing groundbreaking about it in my opinion, despite it being the first democratic change of governing party in Nigeria.

Electing my Obi on the other hand would have definitely required a transformation in the psyche of the majority of Nigerians to the extent that I would have called it revolutionary. I however would not have been surprised if I were not agreed with.

I think you have so watered down the meaning of revolution that anything can be seen as a revolution. So by your new definition of revolution, I have to agree with you. I support elections hence, I support revolution.
You happen to be doing two things at the same time. You have watered down the meaning of revolution and complicated at the same time.
It's hard to argue when a definition becomes very vague so I give up.

budaatum:
My objection is against your sweeping statement that revolutions are bad. Whether revolutions are good or bad depends on the person revolting, is what you can't seem to accept. And you fail to recognise that even good or bad is subjective.

If I revolt against oppression and die in the process, you might think that is bad, but as I stated in this very conversation, some would rather revolt, and even if they died in the process, it could still be considered good for them and for others who might live. Examples are Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr.

Anyway, as I said, I always revolt against those who would oppressor me. My dignity alone would make me revolt, as I'd lose respect for myself if I don't. And that's probably why I don't get oppressed. It's like standing up to bullies. If you don't revolt against them they'd just keep bullying you.

As for your many other ways, they are included in revolution for me, which is standing up against the status quo in order to effect change. And there's no reason why that standing up needs to be bloody, which is why peaceful revolutions effected by Martin Luther King Jr and Gandhi and Eve are mentioned.

And to that list I add Jesus Christ, and revolutions that come into effect due to the peaceful practice of democracy. If Nigerians had dumped APC and PDP at the last election, we'd likely be talking about a peaceful revolution now.

I never said revolutions are bad. I said most revolutions end up with negative outcomes. I never made such a sweeping statement.
Also, by our agreed definition of revolution, Nigerians dumping APC is an election not a revolution.
Let me ask, do you call the 2015 election a revolution? We dumped PDP for APC remember?
Going back to the definition of revolution.
A revolution involves the attempted change in political regimes, substantial mass mobilization, and efforts to force change through non-institutionalized means.
So an election can never amount to a revolution.
Let's stick to definitions.

budaatum:
And I gave you a few revolutions that have led to positive change, so it's rather dumb to presume all revolutions are negative or positive, especially since many wouldn't even agree on what is positive or negative.

Anyway, here's another popular revolution where many died too. Please argue that they therefore shouldn't have revolted if you may.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution

Yes, the American Revolution is one of the very few good ones. But if you notice, all the examples you give are older than 100 years and far in between. That only tells you that revolution is not a smart move. And I never said all revolutions are negative, I said most. It was you who felt all revolutions must be positive. But it seems you have changed your mind about that so good for you.

budaatum:
Eve did not revolt against her God. She revolted against the stupid ignorant instruction that Adam is said to have received from God. And the evidence is that Adam, and God, lied, since eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil did not kill her, but opened her eyes, and gave her wisdom, and freed her and her dumb Adam from slavery after which she became self employed and populated the earth and lived for almost a 1000 years, which is very positive indeed as far as I am concerned. In fact, if Eve hadn't revolted, we probably never have heard of her.

Basically, you and I have a fundamental philosophical difference. You would not revolt against those who oppress you, while I most definitely would revolt even if you don't revolt with me and even if it means I die in the process.

I don't believe I can force you to revolt with me, but neither can you stop me from revolting.
And great song from Bob. But standing up for your rights is not the same thing as revolution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2W3aG8uizA?si=HG442uhD8wzyOD2j

Our discussion has not been about my personal beliefs. I only stated the fact that revolution is most often a bad idea. Please ask the people of Iran.
I don't need to look to Eve's example when I know many people who revolted against God and it never ended well.
Now are there more successful alternatives to revolution? Yes.
Every day, people change our world and communities without revolutions. If you ask, I will give you a whole lot of examples.

budaatum:
Indeed it can be, but when most people talk about a fundamental transformation, the often mean a positive change.

As for your revolutions mostly leading to negative change, I guess we'd need to beg to differ, and in my defence, I offer you Eve's revolution against those who would keep her ignorant and naked in the Garden of Eden knowing you would never accept that the change she bought about was positive.

A few things here. Even if fundamental transformation is mostly used to indicate a positive change, it isn't so in the case of revolution. I gave you 4 globally acclaimed revolutions that only led to more sorrow, tears, and blood. The Chinese communist revolution, The Iranian Islamic revolution, and the Egyptian and Libyan revolution. All these took place within the last 100 years. Please look them up on Wikipedia.
Now to the case of Eve, let's even argue that you are right and her revolution was the best thing ever, how about the million others who daily revolt against their God and end up destroying their lives and cutting short their blessings? For every case where revolution led to a good outcome, a million cases have a negative result.

budaatum:
I guess the bold implies negative change, to you.

No one calls a negative change a revolution.

God1blessBiafra, we must revolt!

Sir a fundamental change can be negative or positive.
The word fundamental is neither negative or positive.
Let's look at the meaning of that word.
adjective. serving as, or being an essential part of, a foundation or basis; basic; underlying: fundamental principles; the fundamental structure.
Hence a fundamental change is a change of essential parts.
If a government changed from democracy to dictatorship, that's a fundamental change.
Here are a few notable revolutions that lead more brutal dictatorships according to Wikipedia not me this time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution
So unless you know something Wikipedia doesn't and that isn't supported by any dictionary, you are wrong.
Also, Wikipedia refers to Egyptian Revolution of 2011 and Libyan Civil War or Libyan Revolution (2011) as revolutions.
So could you please quote where it is stated that revolutions don't have negative outcomes.

Even the french revolution led to an economic recession and produced one of the worst dictators in the world, Napoleon Bonaparte. France's Hitler. Who led to the deaths of another 6.5 million people across Europe.

Fryx:
You are right also. Relationship teaching is important. Having the mental capacity to deal with women stress and the wisdom to choose a woman that you can handle will help you avoid many headaches that can slow your progress.

That has been my point all along.

Fryx:
And why will a boy date a boy. Do you have cases of gays in your family?


It’s not taught. A boy naturally have an instinct to love and protect a woman. You only groom him.

I didn’t say, don’t groom your kid. I said don’t encourage your girls to go into relationships at such a young age.

A boy at that age should also be taught how to be successful in life. Not how to please a woman. Women are not meant to be pleased. A boy that understand how to be successful will know how to lead a woman.


Life is not all about prick and pussy.

You are right, a boy should learn how to be successful.
One of the greatest success a man can get is in getting a good woman.
Dating is the process of learning and understanding relationship. Relationship is a very important aspect to success.

budaatum:
Explain to me how you have concluded that the 1966 coup meets the definition you read in wiki so we can see how you reason.

State the good outcomes from that coup please.

Sir from your definition of a revolution, the outcomes do not have to be good. In fact, you would not find that anywhere.
My point remains that the outcome of most revolutions is far worse that what it replaced.
Now let me use your wiki definition to see if the coup meets that definition.

In political science, a revolution (Latin: revolutio, 'a turn around') is a rapid, fundamental transformation of a society's state, class, ethnic or religious structures.[1][2][3] A revolution involves the attempted change in political regimes, substantial mass mobilization, and efforts to force change through non-institutionalized means (such as mass demonstrations, protests, strikes, or violence).[1]

1. Did the coup lead to a massive transformation of Nigeria? Yes.
2. Did it change the political regime? Yes
3. Was there mass mobilization? Yes. All across the north, soldiers and even civilians rose up to kill people of eastern origin.
4. Was it a forced change through non-institutionalized means? Yes. A coup is clearly non-institutionalized.
I guess this answers your question.