₦airaland Forum

DeepSight:
This is both hypocritical and callous in the circumstances. When it is pointed out to you how callously and deliberately Israel goes about these things you will pretend not to see the comment, such as you did with the case of World Kitchen.

You will pretend not to be aware that Israel has heaped more bombs on Gaza in the last eight months than were heaped on London and Dresden in the second world war.

And if you don't know what happened in Dresden google it.

Then come back with this cowardly and shamefully despicable excuse of collateral damage.

You lack a conscience and are a disgrace as a claimed christian.

I have already answered your concern above but I feel you need more education on the second world war.
During that war, the British forces were fighting the Germans in Normandy, Rotterdam, North Africa, the middle east and other parts of continental Europe not in London.
It was never wise for the Germans to drop more bombs in London and neglect the battlefield.
Every bomb dropped on London was a bomb that could have been used on the battlefield.
On the other hand, Gaza is different. It's a pity that the civilians live right on the battlefield field.
You definitely expect more casualties.
Even the war in Ukraine, civilian population are separate from the battlefield. But Gaza is just too densely populated and your Egyptian friends are not taking in refugees so what do you expect?
It's a tragedy but all wars are.
You are welcome.

RepoMan007:
everyone is claiming real worker and so the ghost workers are blending in nicely.

That shouldn't be a problem for a government that knows what it is doing or should bit?

DeepSight:
This is both hypocritical and callous in the circumstances. When it is pointed out to you how callously and deliberately Israel goes about these things you will pretend not to see the comment, such as you did with the case of World Kitchen.

You will pretend not to be aware that Israel has heaped more bombs on Gaza in the last eight months than were heaped on London and Dresden in the second world war.

And if you don't know what happened in Dresden google it.

Then come back with this cowardly and shamefully despicable excuse of collateral damage.

You lack a conscience and are a disgrace as a claimed christian.

Oga, please can you tell us how many bombs are appropriate for Gaza?
Again you are not a war expert so what does it matter to you how many bombs are used?
Or does your UN also decide the number of bombs per city?
Now to some education.
During the second world war as in other modern wars. The fighting was not restricted to just one city like Gaza. It would have been stupid to keep bombing London since the British forces could have moved position to other cities which is what they did.
London was not necessarily the battle field of the second world war but Gaza remains the only battle field in this war.
Also, the British had something we call an air defense system. Please google that.
Please learn to apply your sense my boy.

RepoMan007:
imen that one combined with the ghost workers. The average.

Then sack the ghosts and pay people what they deserve. Or is anyone against the sacking of ghost workers?

Rexymania:
This man dey make me vex....

Sounding weak

He is supposed to use atomic bomb to show his strength.

RepoMan007:
This talk of worth is useless in a sense. What is the output of a worker worth?

You mean the output of a teacher or a nurse in a federal institution is worth less now than 10 years ago?

helinues:
Toh

My dear brother, the enemies of Nigeria are complaining. They want want our dear president to spend all the money on salaries.

DeepSight:
Na wa for u.

No integrity.

As usual you choose to be a hypocrite. And to act like a child.
This is why I say so.
1. You pretend as if civilian death can be prevented in war.
2. You act like bombs never miss their target or civilians are not mistakenly targeted in all wars.
3. It's only when Israel fights Arabs that your crew expects zero civilian deaths.
Now if your point is that war is evil I can agree. If you say wars should be stopped I will stand with you but when you pick out Israel as if civilian death is not happening in all wars how be it unintentional, it shows your hypocrisy.
Please tell me that modern war that did not have civilian deaths

DeepSight:
Tctrills.... Your genocidal people at it again

Haba what did Hamas do again.
But to be serious, if your issue here is that civilians are killed in war or that bombs hit the wrong targets in war. I totally agree on with you. War is a very dirty business and the wrong people get killed even unintentional. We should do all we can to avoid war. That's why I am angry with Hamas for October 07.

StOla:
You are educated enough to be better than this very poor man logic that should only be vomited in a beer parlour.

Corruption because a political appointee in the Presidency is earning more than a senior civil servant?

The very thing that the records show is obtainable in the USA whose democratic system we have copied?

And, as you have asserted that some private university professors earn more than white house political appointees, same is obtainable in Nigeria where some private university Professors earn more than Aso villa political appointees.

So what again is the storm in a tea cup about?

Well keep arguing with facts
Bless you

Firstcitizen:
You and wisdom are diametrically opposed to one another. I'll pass

But how can you know when you are not wise

StOla:
Answer the question.

What do the private university professors earn in Nigeria top private universities?

lt is very easy to mention professors in Nigeria and show us civil servant salary, but you want to mention professors in USA but not stating that they are mostly not civil servants.

And even at that, I have still shown you that what the majority of those private university professors earn in the USA, is not up to what a mere young political appointee earned working in a job at the American Presidency.

You are beginning to ask unnecessary questions.
I gave you the average but you keep arguing.
Lastly, in the US, private universities pay much more that public.
The average salary for a private university professor in the us is 196k more than Trumps appointees so what really is your point?
You seem so eager to support corruption.

Firstcitizen:
Okay I would have read it but erm.erm. I know it will be full of thrash, so I'll pass

You just passed over your last chance to get wisdom

StOla:
What do your private university professor earn in Nigeria? Do they earn chicken change?

What is ABTI American University or Covenant or Babcok paying to their senior professors, then compare it to the political appointee salary.

Or the US professor you are mentioning are they civil servants?

Why not mention what professors in state public universities are earning so we know you are still talking about civil servants.

Oga at least you can read. I have given you the average figures for both countries. This covers public and private institutions.
Work with that.
Trust me, Trump's appointees never made 2x the salary of the average professors.
Just do a 5 mins research and stop arguing.

StOla:
See below the pay for Trump regime white house employees.


Ranging from advisers to assistants.

How many university professors or civil servants who have spent 20years or more on their jobs, earn that much for a 4year or less political role?


https://cdn.govexec.com/media/gbc/docs/pdfs_edit/070317whsalaries.html

At least you could have done your research before posting.
Now, you just posted the pay of presidents employees not a governor and the average was about 160k .
A professor in the US makes an average of 155k.
On the other hand, a professor in Nigeria makes 400k but you want to pay a government appointee in the millions. Don't you have conscience?
You are the problem of this country.

StOla:
Who ever declared a professor must earn more than an entry level tech professional or top law firm entry level lawyer, not to talk of an experienced attorney or experienced finance consultant who has been made partner?

The scenario above is even in the so called saner climes of USA.

I am not comparing a professor with any of the professions you mentioned above. It seems you are not aware of the present topic.
Please compare a professor to a political appointee not an experienced finance consultant.
Or someone in the private world. We are talking about being who the tax payers pay. Hope you get it now?

muykem:
Let us be realistic. Political appointment is not employment. It's just for little time, no pension, no retirement benefits.

Is that reason why it should be more than the salary of a professor?
Trust me, there are people out there that will do a better job for 150,000 a month. More qualified people.

DMerciful:
Protest has made their society better and thats why countries with repressive regimes like Iran, Afghanistan prevents protest at all cost.

Stop justifying docility

Good you mentioned Iran. Let's take a look at that country.
You must know about the 1979 Iranian revolution. That overthrew of the Pahlavi dynasty.
Has Iran improved since then?
The protest in Libya that got Gaddafi removed, has it improved Libya.
Please tell me why you expect a different result in Nigeria?

Firstcitizen:
Chief self appointed political analyst of Nairaland, aka Expert on Israeli-Arab relations

Oh you have been following me right? Good.
Did you read my latest post on Apartheid in the west bank?
It is a master piece. I recommend it for you.

DMerciful:
UK protest all the time too. Most western countries protest frequently!

Yes but have their protests made them any better. Point out one protest in the UK that has improved anything.
The truckers protest in Canada, what came of it?
The BLM protest in the US only increased the crime rate.
Point out the protest that has made life better for the people.

DMerciful:
You wanna compare these countries with any African countries?

Don't fall into the category of do nothing like mannequins

No, you shouldn't compare them to African countries compare them to their fellow European countries. France revolted against their monarchy the English did not is France greater than the UK?
The UK went ahead to become the greatest empire ever.
The Russians revolted yet their GDP is about the same as Italy despite having about the greatest mineral resources on earth and the most fertile soils.
Syria is yet to recover from their revolution same with Yemen.
Iran was never the same after it's revolution.

Firstcitizen:
The worst culprit comments on the growing trend. You no like small competition? Una plenty here like headless chickens

Do you even understand what you wrote?

DMerciful:
Protest does work, France is am example.

Protest can work in Nigeria but Nigerians are too tribalistic and unenlightened.

It did not work in France. France has had several protests beginning from the french revolution and no one improved the economy or the life of the common man.
The economy did poorly in 1790-96 as industrial and agricultural output dropped, foreign trade plunged, and prices soared.
The Russian revolution ended in communism.
The Nazi revolution led to WW2.

Edusouls:
Isreal is badly wounded isreal is overreacting, making lots of mistakes, isreal is badly upset, the country is slowly sinking, isreal would never know peace anymore generations to come, I fear the collapse of isreal is imminent

Everyone is becoming a political analyst overnight

malali:
ISREAL out to kill everybody.

You all seem to have forgotten when the Owner of LA clippers a Jewish billionaire said he doesnt want to be seen around black people. That even black Jews were inferior to white jews.

Too many Gen Z's on nairaland.

Yes can you also teach the Gen Z's what the Arab world for black people is?
It's Abeed or abīd an Arabic word meaning "servant" or "slave".

DMerciful:
So what will work?

Truth is, I don't know but protest has been tried and so I know it doesn't work. I am not even talking about Nigeria.
I can hardly name a country that got better because of protest.

ChiefJusticeFuc:
Out of a total active and reservist military personnel force of about 1.2million, Jews account for only 4,300 and all these numbers are in the commissioned class.

But it gets worse.

Out of all the General class, Jews account for above 50% of all serving Generals

And the rest non Jews are either married to Jews or are openly Zionist or both.

This is Bolshevik Russia all over again.


Then we have 99% of elected officials at all levels being the executive, legislature and judiciary at local govt , state and federal being funded by Jewish lobby group , AIPAC .

It gets worse when you consider US funded so-called Think Tanks like the Council for Foreign relations , CfR, being populated wholly by Jews.

Someone posted here once that "Politics is ethnic" and the Jews who have polluted the West and America through blackmail (Epstein) and graft , are in total control of that once libertarian society.

The truth is that Jews are a canker worm whom Hitler once said that "every nation deserves its Jews".

Only a corrupt led society experiencing a decline will accept Jewish rule.

Well, I say "Rest in Piss to AmeriKKKa".

A nation founded on genocide and slavery exhibiting the pretense of a free democratic society does not deserve another sunrise.

As for those Jew rats, when America turns to a shithole as envisioned and planned by your WEF, let's see who will protect you outside your slaves in Biafra.

Banzas.

See a Nigerian talking about America becoming a shithole. Funny people.

DMerciful:
Thats not the point, are you not gonna vote anybody?

The point is the citizens must protest for them to be placed on same salary scale as civil servants. Lets stop being docile!

We both know protest don't work.

DMerciful:
Nigerians are the only people who go through the wall when pushed to the wall!

Stop being docile, turn back and fight!

I don't blame any senator for earning such an amount. It's not as if we did not know that they would pay themselves so well when we elected them.

DeepSight:
You can be assured I read unlike you. I will revert. Right now i am busy with adult matters beyond your capacity and beyond your pay grade.

Go and face the wall until I return and ensure you take your meds.

Your psychotic condition must be taken seriously.

Lol. I think I like this boy. No wham.

DeepSight:
You should credit the source of this article. Where did you cull it from?

Your only business is to read and learn. If you disagree with anything stated, let me know then I will present you with sources.
My only purpose here is to educate you on the subject.
You may accept it or you may not.

DeepSight:
If you read carefully, you will see that I am not wrong, but no matter: the division caused a war (naturally) and we have had eight decades of conflict as a consequence.

Where does any of this justify the apartheid being practiced by the Jews?

None of the previous rulers of that space practiced that on them.

Let me give you a very extensive season on Apartheid in Palestine. This will be the best you will ever get.
Now read and learn.
Now, Let's discuss Apartheid my boy, and don't forget to tell me what you learnt at the end.

According to several human rights organizations such as Amnesty International, Israel has been
segregating and discriminating against the Palestinian people
for years with a system of Apartheid. More specifically, the Palestinians are isolated in two different territories: On the one hand, we have the Gaza Strip, where
more than two million Palestinians are confined. And, on the other hand, the West Bank,
where three million more people live. However, the problem with the latter
territory is that the West Bank is not a uniform space, rather the Palestinians

in this region are isolated in small towns that are surrounded by Israeli-controlled territory.

So, for example, it is said that if a Palestinian in the West Bank wants to move from one town to
another, say from Bethlehem to Hebron, he or she must go through Israeli-controlled areas,

and the problem is that the Israelis supposedly block the roads so that they cannot escape.
In addition, there are large concrete walls up to seven meters high, riddled with concertinas and

military guard posts, which theoretically prohibit Palestinians from escaping from where they live.

Because of this, many organizations have reported that Palestinians live caged, guarded,
and constantly controlled by the State of Israel. Meanwhile, Israelis can move freely wherever they

want and enjoy full rights. We are talking about first-class citizens – the Jews – and second-class citizens – the Palestinians – and not only in matters of movement.
Many organizations claim that Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza do not have the right to vote, do not have the right to citizenship or residency, are tried by military courts, and have different laws applied to them than Israelis do. Let's say there are two legal systems,
one for Jews and one for Palestinians. But the complaints, do not stop there. So far, we have been talking about Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank, who do not have Israeli nationality or citizenship.
However, it turns out that in Israel itself there are also many Muslims of Palestinian origin who,
in that case, do have Israeli citizenship. We are talking about approximately two million
people. In theory, these Muslims living in Israel should be full citizens of Israel.
Yet here again, international organizations point out that there is enormous discrimination
against Muslims residing in Israel. They argue that the Muslim population
is separated into ghettos, where children are forced to attend Muslim-only schools,
that people are identified on the national document according to their religion, and that they are systematically discriminated against with the aim of decimating their population.

And I guess by now you can see where this is going. All these accusations against Israel are very, very reminiscent of the apartheid regime in South Africa.

In South Africa, the black population was segregated, enclosed, and discriminated against in small territories from which they were not allowed to escape. Territories, which, as you can see, are in some ways similar to those we have shown in the West Bank.
The black population did not have the right to vote, and the legal system applied to them was different from that of whites, they were not allowed to participate in political life, nor did they have the same civil rights. It was one of the most recent episodes
of institutionalized racism in history. And, perhaps for that reason, today many organizations and activists are comparing it to the case of Palestine and Israel.

Well, so far we have seen the arguments of those who claim that Israel is condemning the Palestinians to suffer under a terrible system of Apartheid.
But let me just say that in this whole story, there are things that simply do not add up.
[And they don't add up even though all sides have reprehensible elements.
If it is true that the Palestinians are cooped up, walled in, and completely
controlled by the Israeli government… How is it possible that Hamas was strong
enough to carry out the attack on October 7? It’s a very simple question... If Israel is tightly controlling all the borders, where did they get the weapons and drones to carry out the attack?
What’s more, how on earth is it possible for Hamas to have so much power in Gaza?
Well, there are things that do not fit. But that’s not the end of it. Take a look at this news item: (Israel on Wednesday increased by 20,000,

the number of work permits issued to West Bank Palestinians wishing to work
inside Israel, to 120,000 – YnetNews) It is well known that every day tens of
thousands of Palestinians move and work in Israeli territory. In fact, over the
last few years, the number of Palestinians working in Israel has just kept growing.
Something that, once again, does not quite fit with the theory that the Israelis
want to cage the Palestinians at all costs. So VisualPolitik community, the first question is clear: Are Palestinians really caged in small territories and subjected to Israel's will?

Well, to answer that question we must first be clear about one thing. The Palestine of the
West Bank is not the same as that of Gaza. Since 2005, Gaza has been an independent territory. In this territory, Israel has no troops, no citizens, no settlements of any kind: nothing. It is the Hamas organization that controls Gaza and no one else.
In short, Gaza basically acts as an independent State, with its own laws,
politics, and army. Israel has no role in it. In that sense, Israel controls its borders as it does with any other country, with the added bonus that there is an open war and therefore, logically, requires stricter border control. Even so... It is not only Israel that shares a border
with Gaza. Don't forget that the strip also has a border with Egypt, through the Rafah crossing.
There are indeed many restrictions on trade with Gaza, but it is also true that
the territory has received hundreds of millions of dollars in development aid in recent years.
So, can we consider that there is apartheid in Gaza?
Well, no, I know we are going to be showered with criticism,
but I don't think we can say such a thing. In any case, we are talking about a de facto
independent state, but one without international recognition, something similar to what happens
in Transnistria, Abkhazia, or even Taiwan. Now: What about the West Bank? .... Well,
here it is much more complicated. You see, since 1993, and as we mentioned
before, the West Bank has been roughly divided into two types of territory.
On the one hand, the territories A and B, which you see in white. In those territories live 95% of
the Palestinians in the West Bank. They have their own government, they design their own laws, they
have their courts, their own health system, their own educational model, and to some extent
they act like the government of a regular country. And in that sense, we can already realize one
thing. And that is the West Bank Palestinians in areas A and B do indeed have different laws
than the Israelis. But that is because they have their own laws and govern themselves.
In fact, the unfair thing would be to apply Israeli laws to the
Palestinians and not allow them to govern themselves, don't you think?
Even so, there is an important nuance in all of this:
On the other hand, the West Bank also contains the C-type territories. Technically,
these territories are Palestinian, however, with the Oslo agreement of
1993 it was established that they would be under the temporary control of the Israeli government.

And this is where many problems arise. In the C-type territories, the laws that prevail are
military laws. If a Palestinian commits a crime, he or she will be tried by a military court.
But what if it is an Israeli and not a Palestinian who commits the crime?

Well in that case the Israeli will be judged by military law plus Israeli law, that is,
the two laws together. On top of that, an Israeli may choose to be tried by a court in Israel;
which, according to your point of view, could be an advantage.
In other words, in this case, there is a clear legal differentiation.
The question is: Why does this differentiation exist?
According to organizations such as Amnesty International, for discriminatory reasons.
However, according to other sources, this is because the C-type areas are territories under belligerent
occupation status. This means that they are not territories owned by Israel, but are legally
Palestinian territories but under military and temporary Israeli occupation and control.

The point is that Israel cannot enforce its laws in these places, as doing so would
be perceived as a political annexation that would, in fact, likely anger the Palestinian government.

Be that as it may, perhaps the biggest problem in this whole affair is that the occupation of Zone C
should be temporary and exclusively military. However, Israel does not seem very willing to
withdraw from the area. What’s more, it has been promoting illegal civilian settlements
for almost four decades, which goes against the concept of exclusively military occupation:

(Israel's Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant
Violation of International Law – UN) Given this, and beyond the possible
legal discrimination against Palestinians, what about the limitations on movement? Is
it true that Palestinians are locked up in small villages without being able to go out?
Well, I'm sorry, but no. Palestinians generally have freedom of movement throughout the West Bank. However, what is true is that many
military checkpoints along the roads generate endless traffic jams and many economic problems.

But in general, and according to pro-Palestinian organizations such as B'Tselem, the only stretches of road banned for Palestinians amount to about 40km, or just under 25 miles. A very, very low figure considering that we are talking about a road network with more than
4,700 kilometers, or 2,900 miles of road. In any case, the place where Palestinians

are forbidden access – except to authorized workers – to Israel itself
and to the Israeli settlements in Area C. The question is: Why is access prohibited?

Well again, organizations like Amnesty argue that it’s due to discrimination because Palestinians
are treated as second-class citizens, and in short, to impose a system of apartheid.
Yet, the theory advocated by Israel is very different.
According to Israel, unless Palestinians have work permits, they are prohibited from entering Israeli territory for security reasons, to prevent attacks or the entry of spies. [And what can I say, given what we have seen, it seems that there were more than enough reasons for this].
And then there is something else that is crucial to this whole matter:
Not only does the Israeli government prohibit Palestinians from entering Israel,
but it also prohibits Israeli citizens from entering Palestinian-controlled territory.

Let's just say that in reality, the restrictions of movement are as much on one side as on the other. The Palestinian government was the first to set discriminatory laws against Jews, such as not allowing them to buy houses in the West Bank:
(Abbas on Monday imposed a sentence of hard labor for life on "anyone diverting,
renting or selling land to an enemy state or one of its subjects.” – Times Of Israel)
So, after all, we have seen... Could we say without a doubt that there is apartheid in the West Bank?

Well, if we look at it from the perspective of the borders, they are indeed closed; for both sides, and Israel controls the surrounding territory. Beyond that, however, the differences with the original Apartheid are very great. In South Africa, apartheid was racially
motivated, and it was exercised on South Africans by South Africans of color.
The black population was dehumanized, they could not marry whites, nor set up their own businesses.

What’s more, they could not even share public spaces such as beaches with white citizens.
Yet, in terms of the West Bank borders, there is not a racial motive in the separation,
but a citizenship and security motive. That means. a Palestinian citizen,
even if he is not a Muslim, lives under the rules of the Palestinian government.
Likewise, an Israeli citizen, even if he is not a Jew, but a Muslim,
lives under the rules of the Israeli government.
Now, if you remember, at the beginning of this video we said that according to organizations
like Amnesty International, even within Israel itself, Muslims are discriminated against, they are locked up in ghettos and even identified on their identity card.
And there is no room for doubt: if this is so, we are talking about discrimination against full Israeli citizens who are possibly being treated worse according to their religion or ethnicity.

So the question is, what's the truth in all this? Well, let's take a look.

(AN INTERNAL APARTHEID?) There is one thing that is 100%

certain: in Israel people were differentiated according to their ethnicity for many years.

On the identity card, each citizen carried an ID depending on whether he was Palestinian,

Jewish or of another ethnicity. What’s more, the State of Israel
defines itself as the nation of the Jews, which may lead us to think that there is negative
discrimination against other ethnicities. (Netanyahu Says Israel Is 'Nation-State Of

The Jewish People And Them Alone' – NPR) Beyond all this, it is also true that there
are Muslim and Jewish ghettos, there are schools based on religion, and even in places like East

Jerusalem there are independent religious spaces. The question is: Is this the ultimate test of discrimination? Let's look at them one by one.

As for the identity card, the difference by ethnicity started to be phased out in 2005 and ceased to exist as of 2015. However, even if it did still exist, it would not be unusual, since countries such as the USA administratively differentiate people according to their ethnicity, and in fact, offer some advantages to minorities. For example, in US universities there are places

reserved only for African-American students. Similarly, in Israel, non-Jews also have some advantages, as Muslims or Christians are not obliged to serve in the armed forces.

Now then: what about Muslim-only schools or ghettos?
Well, the reality is that these schools are voluntary, if you are Jewish the most
reasonable thing to do is to take your child to a school where the Jewish religion is taught,
while if you are Muslim, and let's remember that Muslims make up 20% of the population of Israel,
you will take your child to a Muslim school. The same thing happens with ghettos, just as
in other countries, neighborhoods are usually structured with people of similar profiles:
places like Little Cuba in Miami, Chinatown in London, or Little Italy in New York come to mind.

The important thing is that Israeli citizens, whatever their religion,
enjoy the same civil rights. This is something we can see in politics itself,
where 10 out of the Knesset’s 120 parliamentarians are Muslims, or in the judiciary, where Muslims
account for 16% of the judges, or even in the military itself with soldiers like this one:

Even so, beyond legal and civil equality, it is true that Israel favors certain social groups with a lot of public money. The ultra-orthodox Jews would be one example.
But even though Israel declares itself to be the Jewish nation,
the State has no official religion. Although in lesser amounts,
the government also gives financial aid to Muslim communities and
allows the free practice of all religions. (9 August 2023: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

Netanyahu pledged on Wednesday to release at least $54 million to Arab towns – Al-Arabiya)

In conclusion, we can say that Israel does not discriminate negatively against its citizens
because they are Muslims or Palestinians; and that as far as the border issue is concerned, the motives seem to have more to do with security than with an alleged attempt at genocide or apartheid.

Mind you, that's not to say that Israel isn't doing things wrong. Israel is abusing, and has been abusing for decades, its dominant position in the West Bank.

Israel should give back to the Palestinians the control of the C-zones as promised in the Oslo agreements, and it should also withdraw and stop its illegal settlement policy.
A policy which, at the end of the day, seems to respond more to an expansionist or colonialist
logic than to the logic of seeking a way out of the conflict and fulfilling
its commitments.
But beyond that, Israel is also a democratic, pluralistic State, where minorities are defended and with very broad civil rights.