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Janosky:
John 8:28
So Jesus said, “
When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me".


Jesus your own "I AM " said what God his Father taught him," I do NOTHING of my own".

The God Almighty of the holy scriptures have no Father. ooooo !!! .

Oga,You jump to verse 58 & built a delusion that Jesus @ John 8 verse 28 had refuted.

I always knew you were incapable of making sense. What does any of this have to do with the I Am debate? Please link your thoughts.

The question here is, did Jesus Christ say he is I Am or not? Again, what does John 8:28 have to do with this discussion? Please learn to focus.

Janosky:
Oga read Exodus 3:13-15 in the Greek Septuagint and STOP DECEIVING yourself.

You must open your mind to learn, UNLEARN & RELEARN..

Again what's your point here. The old testament was written in Hebrew why do you want me to read your Greek Septuagint.

Please just make your point because I know you are only trying to waste my time by asking me to read something that doesn't relate. I am talking from experience with you.

Janosky:
1 John 5:7 & 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV & textus receptus translations.
Have You forgotten the Bible chapter your Trinitarian mentors said Peter was worshipped?

Oga, do you want further evidences?

I don't understand you point here please explain clearly. What are you even trying to say. We can't respond to you if you can make clear points.
Or can you get MaxInDHouse to explain for you? Not saying he is smarter than you.

Janosky:
John 4:25-26. John 8:24,28,58..
The point Jesus Christ is making at John 8:58 is the same point he's made at John 4:25-26. John 8:24,28 .

Jesus Christ do NOT mean that delusion you have attached to John 8:58

You must be more intelligent than Christ to be able to explain for him.
Anyway I choose to believe Christ and not you.
He is smarter than you, he expressed himself better than you ever can. He said he is I Am so I agree with him. I am sorry but I hope you understand?

MaxInDHouse:
Wahala Yaaaso!



What a I AM worshiper told another I AM worshiper instead of them to agree first both of them wants to convince a JW who agreed with millions of his own fellow believers o!

Your hypocrisy is so amazing. I remember about 2 years ago your fellow JW chap destroyed you here on Nairaland. He asked that we ignore you as your opinions did not represent the group.
I have never seen a Catholic do that to another catholic on Nairaland. I have never seen such infighting among any other organization.

But the so called religion of unity openly fought in the marketplace of ideas.

You lack all credibility to celebrate when I and someone else from a totally different believe system disagree.

My beliefs are just as different from the guy as they are from yours.

But you the JW are the only group to have such a shameless fight on the pages of Nairaland.

Stop being shameless.

DeepSight:
A two thousand year interegnum simply does not work that way in Land Law. Not even you will accept returnee black Americans laying claim to your land on the ground that it belonged to their ancestor a mere 400 years ago.

Moereover, the Israel of today are mostly simply white European settlers.

I responded to you on my earlier post but when I see Nigerians or Africans like you fighting for the Palestinians in the West Bank, I shake my head in pity at your ignorance.
The west Bank is safer than Nigeria.
Life expectancy is much higher than in most of Africa.
Poverty is much lower than in Nigeria. Their kids have access to better education.
They should be the ones fighting for you and your freedom.

I can bet that you have never had a debate on Nairaland about what the Arabs are doing to your fellow blacks in Sudan. Or have you fought for the fate of African christians in basically all Moslem African countries from Niger to Egypt.

I bet you have never made a case for Berbers being marginalized by the Arab invaders and colonizers.

You have chosen to fight for strangers when your father's house is on fire and worse still, the strangers are doing much better than you. No be juju bi that

MaxInDHouse:
The one and only organization that made it possible for people from different countries throughout the world to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

Your I AM family in Russia and Ukraine are still killing themselves o, i just want to know the usefulness of this your I AM!

We have debated this your claim before and proven it false. You can be a happy family if you are built on lies.

But then let's not change topic today, According to the JW people, anyone is free to makeup any translation to fit his narrative. But honest people reject that thinking.

Not only is it dishonest, it's disrespectful to Jesus Christ and John who recorded His words when you act like His words don't matter and the foolish JW know better than him.

I choose Jesus Christ over the JW. His words matter to me.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly how Pharisees thought about Jesus yet with all their gragra nothing positive results from their faith!

That's the point, you have an organization of only negative results but some how you are proud. An organization that is founded in foolishness but to you it's the greatest thing after slice bread. Oga you guys need to be claiming down.

MaxInDHouse:
It's not word for word translation that's why you can't make it work in any known group because it's meaningless!

As I said let's not be stupid.
No language is word for word when translated yet we don't fool ourselves claiming that everyone is entitled to a brand new translation.
s'il te plaît is please in french. Word for word it means if it pleases you.
So it's not a new thing.
We don't need JW to invent a lie just because languages are not translated word for word.

MaxInDHouse:
The New Testament was written in pidgin Greek so it takes intelligence to translate it not just someone picking word for word.

In pidgin "wetin dey ground?" means "what do you have for me?" or "anything for me?" but when taken word for word someone could translate it as "what is on the floor?"

So it requires deep understanding to know the meaning not just taking it word for word!

Oga hmm na way oh.
Even if it was written in broken English, does pidgin Greek not have a translation?
Do we have to deceive ourselves and pretend and lie just because you say it was written in pidgin?
I presented you with the translation so if your defense is that it was written in pidgin and the JW group are the pidgin experts then you are just not serious

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are talking!

Of course Jesus said Pharisees are wrong and they also team up to say the same thing against him so what is the way forward?

Is it by arguing on what was written?

Well both Jesus and the Pharisees have their interpretation differently that's why they were against him and he also against them.

The only way to settle this once and for all time is by presenting the WORKS of both faith.

Jesus present a united brotherhood that is preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom with love for all kinds of people so that racism and politics can't break their bond {Isaiah 2:2-4} but Pharisees can't do the same even though they travel to make proselytes in far away lands {Matthew 23:15} but they makes such a person hate his neighbors due to politics and racism because they too can't help it if war breaks out between their country and that of the proselyte they converted nah kill them go kill am and the same applies to the proselyte too!

Let's not be stupid.
bia rie nri means come and eat in Igbo. But then if I claim that my own translation mean go to bed just because I am a JW does that not make me an evil thief?
If your fruits are basically lies and falsehood, how is it a good fruit.

DeepSight:
A two thousand year interegnum simply does not work that way in Land Law. Not even you will accept returnee black Americans laying claim to your land on the ground that it belonged to their ancestor a mere 400 years ago.

Moereover, the Israel of today are mostly simply white European settlers.

Do, the case of returning black Americans is not even comparable to the Jewish case.
Here are the reasons.
1. Unlike the Arabs, we Africans has the very same ancestral connections to the land as the black Americans.

2. We often call the Europeans colonizers, but we forget that the Arabs are OG colonizers. Almost the present day Arab land was mostly stolen from Jews and Christians.

3. The Jews never completely left the land. Under the Arabs, and ottoman, they were second class citizens so they had the right to invite their brothers from Europe and other parts of the world to reacquire their land.

4.In 1948, the Arabs took a gamble. They went to war with the only purpose of destroying the Jews and kicking them out of the land. They lost and now they want to eat their cake and have it. No way.

Between 1948 and the early 50ths, the Arabs kicked out over 800k Jews from their various countries. Israel absorbed them. Israel did not turn them to forever refugees. The Arab land is over 50x bigger than Israel, let them absorb the Palestinians

To the second part of your responds,, that already lacks credibility.
For over a thousand years. You (whites, Arabs and ottoman) persecuted, kill and chased the Jews just because they were Jews. Not they are strong and have taken back their land, you make them European settlers. Oga, that ship has already sailed.
Even if they are Eskimos, you lack the credibility to claim that.
On the other hand, it's not debated that the Arabs are settlers. The came from the Arab peninsula and took over the middle east and north Africa.

MaxInDHouse:
Pharisees said Jesus Christ is corrupting God's word but he kept asking for the fruit of their interpretation.

So Mr Interpretation present the group that's applying I AM let's see how useful is your I AM!

Paul told Christians in Corinth:



He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. ‭2 Corinthians 3:6 NIV‬

Instead of arguing on letters used in your Bible translation present the works of your faith let people see how effective is your I AM {James 2:18} so they can gladly accept it after all it's only written in a book as in LETTER and it's until they are able to see the positive results before they can feel the SPIRIT of your I AM!

Just as the Pharisees said, Jesus Christ is corrupting God's word. JW claims others have wrong translations. You guys are the modern-day Pharisees. You are wrong, but you claim others are wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
Even if it's from cow poo as long as it's yielding positive results ọmọ that's the correct rendering according to Jesus!

"Every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit.  A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:17-18

No matter what you call it as long as it's yielding positive results Jesus said that's the CORRECT RENDERING!

Just try to unite your I AM worshipers let the world see how love exists among you people! John 13:34-35

Well, if corrupting the word of God is your positive result, good for you. To me, it is only producing rotten and worthless fruits

DeepSight:
Cant you see how unfair the arrangement is, and bear in mind that new settlements are still being built till this day, squeezing the space available for the Palestinians in the West Bank ever tighter.

Please explain how it is unfair for the Jews to reacquire their home from foreign invaders. I think the Jews have been super generous.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you there is nothing in that translation other than simple statement which means:

"Before Abraham i exist"

That's what we believe and is working for our good just as Jesus said that it's the fruit that matters not whatever name you give your god! Matthew 7:16-18

So let's check what the Greek translation for I exist is.
“I Exist” – ὑπάρχω (hyparchō)
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)

Come oh, are you sure you guys translated for the Greek version and not from toilet paper?

MaxInDHouse:
I never told you there is anything like "I WAS" you fabricated it because i rejected your impotent I AM.

So I just checked with your JW bible.
It says " I have been"
Now the Greek for that would have been (ἐγὼ ἦν or ἐγὼ γέγονα)
But the Greek reads
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)
You see your white overlords messed up?

MaxInDHouse:
I never told you there is anything like "I WAS" you fabricated it because i rejected your impotent I AM.

Lol,
It's not I Am, it's not I was, it just nothing.
You guys are impossible.
You don't need to Accept I am, just show your own Greek translation.

DeepSight:
Digression -

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m0NzTwLPHgM

cc: botragelad, tctrills

Nice video. And it's accurate. The PA doesn't own or control all of the West Bank.
But then, even up till 2029, Israel was prepared to freely gift them most of the West Bank but they foolishly refused.

MaxInDHouse:
Forgive your I AM that has failed woefully to unite it's worshipers i am less concerned with whatever your problem is.
Jesus said:
"before Abraham i exist"
Simple as ABC!

You just claimed Jesus Christ has failed woefully to unite His worshippers and that's your reason for inventing your own God and writing your own scripture. No problem.

Even after I have corrected you and shown you the words of Christ, you choose to remain stubborn.

Let me ask, how did you come about the I was translation? Was that the correct Greek word or did someone in the US corrupt the translation to create their own God?

MaxInDHouse:
Go and worship your I AM with it's other worshipers at least you people will have something to benefit from your worship of this your I AM!

Ok
But then stop using your false translation of the Words of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
It's translation against translation there is nothing new in that!

I would have agreed with you if we did not have the Greek records.
Thank goodness, today anyone with a smart phone can translate the Greek text.
So there is no excuse.
Did the Greek text as I Am or I Was?
And. It clearly stated I Am.
So why should we change the Saviour's words in the name of translation?
You are changing the Saviour's words just to fit your organization right?

MaxInDHouse:
It's translation against translation there is nothing more!

No no,. You can't misquote the very words of Christ and blame it on translation.
John recorded
ἐγώ εἰμι — “I AM
But your white overlords teach ἐγὼ ἦν - "I was.
Please forgive me for going with John and not the Americans.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus existed before Abraham.
That's the simple meaning of what Jesus said!

Oga, we already read the meaning of what Christ said. If all he wanted to say was that he existed before Abraham, he would have said I was” (in Greek, ἐγὼ ἦν), but instead, he says ἐγώ εἰμι — “I AM. Jesus Christ did not make a grammatical mistake, so stop trying to correct him.

MaxInDHouse:
There is no "I AM" in my own Bible so if you wish to worship I AM it's OK try to agree with your fellow I AM people first on how to do God's will!

All that means is that your bible did not come from the original Greek bible. Could you please tell us the source of your bible? And yes, I agree with the testimony of John, Jesus Christ is the Great I Am. It is your choice if you disagree with the Lord's words in favour of your white man boss.

AntiChristian:
Then those are either contradictions or one is wrong while the other is right!

1. Jesus said he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.

2. That Christ said the Gospel be preached to the Gentiles does not mean he was sent to them!

3. Jesus's world is only Israel.

Matthew 10:5-6
These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

2. Matthew 15:24......Jesus answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

I see zero contradictions. It's so easy to understand.
Yes Jesus began his ministry exclusively with the Jews hence he sent his disciples only to the lost sheep of Israel as recorded but at the end of his ministry, he sent his disciples to all nations how is that a controversy.
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Please explain the controversy.

He also said
John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

MaxInDHouse:
I have a lot of things to do so it's only when i see your posts that i respond nah!
Jesus is our Brother, Master, Lord and King not our God o!

He is the Great I Am according to the account of John.

MaxInDHouse:
"Before Abraham i exist"
That's what Jesus meant it's your people in Trinity that fabricated your "I AM" and started using it to promote their Trinity!

Lol
I sent you the text used in the original Greek writings of John and the English interpretation.
For me, I would believe John the beloved Apostle of Jesus Christ and not you or any other I too know on Nairaland.

You don't even speak Greek yet you are ready to argue with what you don't know.

πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγὼ εἰμί
Prin Abraam genesthai, egō eimi

Which literally translates to:

“Before Abraham came into being, I am.”
Why Not Say “I was”?
Grammatically, we’d expect Jesus to say “I was” (in Greek, ἐγὼ ἦν), but instead He says ἐγώ εἰμι — “I AM.”

CoronaVirusPro:
Netanyahu had to go beg Trump for a cease fire 🤣🤣🤣

Iran would have turned that small country to rubbles.

One takeaway is that, the iron dome is not invisible. Iran humiliated that scrap.

You dropped over 400 bombs and drones, you killed less than 40 civilians, and yet you call the Iron Dome scrap. Baba, you get strong mind oh.

AntiChristian:
Where did you even see Jesus preaching to the Canaanite woman? You are just answering a different question here!

The woman asked Jesus for healing o!

The disciples talk say make he chase her away!

In the end he called her dog and Israel master!

Open your eyes!

Discuss these verses!

Who are the masters?
Who are the dogs?
Why Israel?

Matthew 15:21-28
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

Again, I am trying to understand your point here. Yes, the Jews were the masters and the Gentiles the dogs in that analogy, but then, I presented you with other verses where Christ commanded that his gospel be preached to the Gentiles (The Dog). I also showed you verses where Christ came for the world, not for the Jews (remember John 3.16).

So yes, Jesus Christ called the gentile woman a dog, yet he still extended his gospel to the gentiles. Does this answer your question now?