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dequir:
You failed to finish your tribal analysis. You might need to add that, while in Onitsha, a Yoruba man has the right to claim it as his land of origin, since it is also a Nigerian city.

I honestly have no issue with that. As long as we remain one nation, every Nigerian should be able to exercise all his rights as a citizen no matter were he is. But then, you missed the point, I was talking about the deportation of illegals. I only brought up my discussion with my friends to explain. Are you ok now?

Krismas:
Ofcourse you are misqouting me.
I never said any of what you saying.
Thats what i'll tell d court

Oh nice I will just pull up our conversation. Let me quote you word for word.
Summary is
Jews fraudulently purchased half of Palestine.
With Arabs collaborating with the Jews to make fraudulent purchases.
They bought all the lands under the Ottoman. They even had to overthrow Sultan Abdulhamid II, who prohibited land sales to Jews, so they could buy lands official gazetted as national lands.
All those purchases are null and void.

The lands they bought from individuals don't amount to much.
Rothschild bought 50% of Palestine from Ottoman, lands already gazetted as state lands. Its like buying the 3rd mainland bridge to me.

Your own words condemn you and prove you are very dishonest.

Clearly the debate is not that Jews bought land. You are accusing them of using fraudulent means to acquire the land. You are the accuser. It's up to you to provide evidence.
You don't accuse me and them ask me to provide evidence for you. Life is not that stupid.

EmperorIsaac:
Of course, you're one.

I have a friend like you, he is Yoruba and he is against the removal of illegal immigrants. His argument is that the US is a nation of immigrants.
I reminded him that the Yorubas came from northern Africa yet many of them feel uncomfortable the moment an Igbo man claims Lagos as his land. Not forgetting that every Igbo man in Lagos is a legal citizen of Nigeria yet some how, he should not claim to be a citizen of Lagos. But Trump is evil when he weeds out illegal immigrants.
Human nature is funny. It's more comfortable to have an opinion when it's far from home.

Krismas:
He has not even read the article yet he is dismissing it.
I asked you first that the Jews bought any land to begin with.
Where is the proof?

You are my proof, you taught me that the Jews bought half of Palestine. If this were a court, I would say that I rely on the testimony of my opposing counsel.

EmperorIsaac:
Of course, you're one.

Correct.

Krismas:
About court, WHERE ARE THE RECEIPTS OF PURCHASE OF THE JEWS OF PALESTINE?
Then, to start your education. First read.
WHO SOLD PALESTINE?

ttps://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/columns/who-sold-palestine

Good, so you have a case. Go to court. You are not a barbarian. We don't take laws into our hands. Go tell the courts that the Jews have no recipts until then, the Jews reman innocent until proven guilty..
The article you presented was just an opinion and it doesn't prove that the lands were illegally acquired.
Please from your article, point to the prove that Jews stole the land.

EmperorIsaac:
Some people would applaud this!

I applaud this.

Krismas:
Summary is
Jews fraudulently purchased half of Palestine.
With Arabs collaborating with the Jews to make fraudulent purchases
Arabs and Jews fall out on who the owner of Palestine should be.
Palestinians are dealing with the Jews first.
Palestinians to deal with the Arabs later

You have no case here. If it was a fraudulent purchase, you should have gone to court. There is something called innocent until proven guilty. So far as you can't provide any court papers to show that the Jews are guilty, they remain innocent in the eyes of the law. QED.

Krismas:
Your multiple replies is intended to derail the discussion. I am going to ignore all other reply except one.

More replies for your poor head.

Most of the land purchased by Jewish settlers in Palestine during the late 19th and early 20th centuries was sold by:

1. Absentee Landlords
These were wealthy Arab landowners, often based in cities like Beirut, Damascus, and Cairo, who owned large tracts of land in Palestine but did not live on or cultivate it themselves.

Many of them saw an opportunity to make a profit and sold land to Zionist organizations and Jewish settlers, sometimes without consulting or compensating the Arab tenant farmers who lived and worked on the land.

2. Local Arab Landowners
A smaller portion of land was sold by local Palestinian Arab landowners, especially in urban areas or regions with commercial potential.

3. Ottoman and Later British Authorities
Under Ottoman rule (before 1917), land registration and ownership systems were complex, and legal loopholes allowed for large land acquisitions.

During the British Mandate period (1917–1948), Jewish organizations such as the Jewish National Fund (JNF) and Palestine Jewish Colonization Association (PICA) legally purchased land for settlement

Krismas:
Your multiple replies is intended to derail the discussion. I am going to ignore all other reply except one.

Do whatever suits you. I will not teach a grown man how or what to reply.

Krismas:
I never said i have closed d discussion on the illegality, null and void of jewish land purchases in Palestine.

Let's summarize.
According to you, the Jews purchased half of Palestine. The Arabs then went to war to steal the land purchased by the Jews and lost the other half. Why should anyone pity them?

Krismas:
Can't u just answer the question?
Why quote nigerian land law, wen the discussion is Palestine?
Cos dat sounds senile to me

You are right about that, my bad. Now go ahead and quote Palestine law. Still don't forget it was you that spoke about the Fulani buying land in the south that's why I quoted Nigerian law. So please teach us ottoman land laws in Palestine.

Krismas:
U just an emotional Zionist troll. you do not deserve any further response

Lol, I am the emotional one yet you are the first to start name calling. Funny boy.
I honestly love doing this with you. You keep showing me how right I am in my position. Anyway have a great day. olawonder see who took over your case.

Krismas:
Why nigerian land land law, when you are referring to Palestine?

Good, can you please quote Palestine land law, we are listening.

Krismas:
Thats the second point. And we are already discussing it. But you keep pushing one fake narrative that has no head or tail by the side.

That's why you are here to prove that my narrative is fake. Do your job. Show the world how fake I am

Krismas:
Every land is not government land. Your useless support for shylock Jews is making you mad.
Under the Ottoman, Jews were prohibited from buying lands in Palestine. All the secondary measures they took to make those purchases is what makes it null and void. How did they buy?

You are right, every land is not government land and that's why the Jews also bought land from private land owners like the Sursock family and others. You mean Jews were forbidden to purchase land yet the government sold half of the land to them? Are you confusing yourself?
Again, if you feel they obtained the land illegally then go to court like every civilized person and don't take the law into your hands.
You see why the Arabs are animals?
I hope olawonder who you took this debate from is learning.

Krismas:
I wasn't the person you started this talk with. I highlighted two points of debate when i jump in. So i kind of feel this talk is baseless

This is one of the points you highlighted. You stated that the Jews used fraudulent means to obtain land. So we are right on point.

Krismas:
I wasn't the person you started this talk with. I highlighted two points of debate when i jump in. So i kind of feel this talk is baseless

The Nigerian Land Use Act of 1978 is the primary legislation governing land ownership and administration in Nigeria. It vests all land in each state in the governor, who holds it in trust for the people.
Who was the government of Palestine? Was it not the Ottoman?

Krismas:
All the lands fulanis are buying in the south are all null and void. Ottoman can't sell land to Jews. The land does not belong to Ottoman.
You cannot buy government lands and think you own a property

Wait, you mean if a Fulani man buys land in the south, it's illegal? Is that under Nigerian law? So according to this strange Nigerian law that no one knows about, you are only allowed to buy land in your state?
Is this madness?
Let's just say that you have a very strange idea of the law.

Krismas:
They bought all the lands under the Ottoman. They even had to overthrow Sultan Abdulhamid II, who prohibited land sales to Jews, so they could buy lands official gazetted as national lands.
North Africans were allowed to buy land in Palestine, so Jews were forging north African passports.
All those purchases are null and void.

The ottoman were the government of the day yes or no? If you want to buy land, wouldn't you buy government approved land? So what wrong did the Jews do by your own standards?
Again, if only north Africans were allowed to buy Palestine land don't you see the racism?
Still on that, what prove do you have that most of the land bought by Jews were got with fake passports. How many Jews were caught?
Lastly, you claim they bought national lands, every land is national land and if the government of the day sells national lands, how is that illegal?

Krismas:
The lands they bought from individuals don't amount to much.
Rothschild bought 50% of Palestine from Ottoman, lands already gazetted as state lands. Its like buying the 3rd mainland bridge to me

The more we discuss, the more you convince me that every Arab in the land of Israel should be kicked out and sent packing.
You just told me that Rothschild a Jew bought 50% of Palestine from the ottoman, the legal government at the time. Land bought and paid for in full yet the Palestinians had the mind to go to war over lands that have been bought? Those animal should be sent back to the Arabian dessert. You have just explained the problem in the middle east in one paragraph.

Krismas:
I don't know where this your fake talk is going.
What is the context?

My point exactly, you have no context. That the British refused all their colonies self rule has zero to to with the Jews or favoring the Jews. Please show the link if you can.

Krismas:
Jews forged passports to buy lands under the Ottoman, sometimes they used secondary means to make purchases, just like Fulanis are doing right now in the SW
Rant all you like, theft is theft

Please provide evidence of one forged passport.
Did they also forge passports to buy land under the British? Also, why did Jews need a special passport to buy land under the Ottoman.
Who exposed the Jewish passport for land scheme? How many Jews were arrested for it. What percentage of Jews used the scheme to buy lands?

Krismas:
Neither does your interpretation of the issue matter for anything but why are u rambling and side-stepping the question?
What is the issue with your claims? what are u getting at?
Cos i remember 10yrs prior, Palestinians have asked the British for independence and the British refused

I don't interpret I tell you as it is. Your point is that the British favored the Jews because the refused the Arabs independence? You are all over the place. Please link your thoughts. At that same period, the British refused India, Ghana, Nigeria, and all their other colonies independence. How does that even apply to anything we are talking about.
The problem is that when your Arabs finally got independence, the blew it away on a war and lost everything. So the British were right, those idiots were too brainless to govern themselves.

Krismas:
The lands they bought from individuals don't amount to much.
Rothschild bought 50% of Palestine from Ottoman, lands already gazetted as state lands. Its like buying the 3rd mainland bridge to me

Now the truth is coming out. To people like you, when Jews buy land, it amounts to nothing. You are nothing but a land grabber. If Jews are not allowed to buy land, then you have made my entire point for me. The Arabs are wicked, evil racists who deserve to be kicked out of the entire Palestine and back to the Arabian desert.
I think this is where we should end the debate, what say you.

Krismas:
U will get all the proofs you need soon enough.
My initial surprise is that you don't know what a fraudulent sale is.
Do you think any government official can sell you the 3rd mainland bridge in lagos?
What does it matter if u paid 10billion dollars?
Jewish receipts of ownership of Palestine are worthless, so stop pretending you don't know what fraudulent purchase is

Again you are confused. Jews did not buy the 3rd mainland bridge. They bought lands from individuals and families
And like every other race, they had the right to buy property. So please provide evidence that their actions were fraudulent or just agree you don't know what you are talking about.

Krismas:
What i can see is British favoritism towards the Jews.
So, lets be clear on what the debate is on first.

No one cares what you see. We only care about the facts and you don't really matter. We had over a thousand years where the government in Palestine favored Arabs and moslems over Jews. So if you have any evidence that the British favored Jews over Arabs, point it out or forever remain silent. Hope you are now clear.

Jayboi:
You have only spoken like a mathematician who base their explanation on textbook and paper. We are talking about what happens in real life situations here. Not theory. If you read the news yesterday, you would see that he has started bending and making some exemptions. Why? America can't survive that sudden deluge of changes. Never. So next time, use your brain. Everything isn't about 1+1=2.
Think deeper. Not just deep.

Who made you the judge of real life and who told you that mathematics doesn't have real life application.
Just because you have an untested opinion doesn't make it the real life experience. How do you know that America can't survive sudden changes? But again I am sure you believe that somehow china would survive the sudden change. Let's get serious.

Saga16:
You need to provide evidence based on reports from those countries.

Just read the mews

Krismas:
From ur link

The 1929 Palestine riots, Buraq Uprising (Arabic: ثورة البراق, Thawrat al-Burāq) or the Events of 1929 (Hebrew: מאורעות תרפ"ט, Meora'ot Tarpat, lit. Events of 5689 Anno Mundi), was a series of demonstrations and riots in late August 1929 in which a longstanding dispute between Palestinian Arabs and Jews over access to the Western Wall in Jerusalem escalated into violence, which also involved the British authorities. Alongside this dispute, the uprising was also triggered by the refusal of Zionists to accept British offers of shared representation in Palestine which was accepted by Palestinian leadership.[1] Dispossession of Palestinian tenants from land bought by the Jewish National Fund also contributed to the riots.[2

1. what concern muslims with the wall? Its jews who worship the wall.
2. Jewish funds were used to fraudulently buy lands in Palestine. The purchases are very shady, null and void

Now to your second point. What do you mean by fraudulently buy land? Was the land not paid for in full?
You say that Jewish funds were used to buy land, should Jews use Nigerian funds to buy land? What are you even talking about.
Please provide one account of a Palestinians saying that he was cheated out of his land by the Jews in the 1920s

Krismas:
From ur link

The 1929 Palestine riots, Buraq Uprising (Arabic: ثورة البراق, Thawrat al-Burāq) or the Events of 1929 (Hebrew: מאורעות תרפ"ט, Meora'ot Tarpat, lit. Events of 5689 Anno Mundi), was a series of demonstrations and riots in late August 1929 in which a longstanding dispute between Palestinian Arabs and Jews over access to the Western Wall in Jerusalem escalated into violence, which also involved the British authorities. Alongside this dispute, the uprising was also triggered by the refusal of Zionists to accept British offers of shared representation in Palestine which was accepted by Palestinian leadership.[1] Dispossession of Palestinian tenants from land bought by the Jewish National Fund also contributed to the riots.[2

1. what concern muslims with the wall? Its jews who worship the wall.
2. Jewish funds were used to fraudulently buy lands in Palestine. The purchases are very shady, null and void

You failed to point out the following also from the link
The riots took the form, for the most part, of attacks by Arabs on Jews accompanied by destruction of Jewish property.
The British-appointed Shaw Commission found that the fundamental cause of the violence, "without which in our opinion disturbances either would not have occurred or would have been little more than a local riot, is the Arab feeling of animosity and hostility towards the Jews consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future",[8] as well as Arab fears of Jewish immigrants "not only as a menace to their livelihood but a possible overlord of the future".[9
The next Friday, 23 August, thousands of Arab villagers streamed into Jerusalem from the surrounding countryside to pray at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, many armed with sticks and knives. The gathering was prompted by rumors that the Zionists were going to march to the Temple Mount and claim ownership, as they had belligerently marched on the Western Wall demanding Jewish ownership 9 days earlier.[27] Harry Luke requested reinforcements from Amman. Towards 09:30 Jewish storekeepers began closing shop and at 11:00, 20–30 gunshots were heard on the Temple Mount, apparently to work up the crowd. Luke telephoned the Mufti to come and calm a mob that had gathered under his window near the Damascus Gate, but the commissioner's impression was that the religious leader's presence was having the opposite effect. By midday friction had spread to the Jewish neighborhood of Mea She'arim where two or three Arabs were killed. The American consulate documented the event in detail, reported that the killings had taken place between 12:00 and 12:30.[43] The Shaw Report described the excited Arab crowds and that it was clear beyond all doubt that at 12:50 large sections of these crowds were bent on mischief if not on murder. At 13:15, the Arabs began a massacre of the Jews.[39][35]

Please read the entire article then we can talk

EmperorIsaac:
How would this question edify the body of believers? Don't you think this question falls within the realm of question Scripture commands us to shun?

Sorry I was not aware that there is a question police in Christiandom that governs what and what not to ask.
Again any question that makes you know more about the relationship between the Father and his Son should edify any Christian.
Any question that makes you understand his doctrines and teachings will definitely edify you if you are a well meaning Christian.
One more thing, if you felt the question was not appropriate, why did you attempt to answer it?