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Janosky:
ONLY Jehovah God bears both titles.
Did God teach TenQ which title is higher than the other?
Oga, present the scriptural references.

Thank you for being truthful that ONLY Jehovah God bears BOTH Titles.

Can you check each of these verses in NWT and show me that the verses refer to non other but Jehovah God?

Revelation 19:16
"And he has a name written on his robe and on his thigh: king of kings and lord of lords."

1 Timothy 6:13-15
"I charge you, before God, who is making all things alive, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the right profession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep the command unspotted, unblameable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which he will show in his own times- the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of the kings and Lord of the lords,"

Revelation 17:14
"They will make war with the Lamb, but the Lamb will conquer them, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with him are the called and chosen and faithful."

Again, Can you check each of these verses in NWT and show me that the verses refer to non other but Jehovah God?

honesttalk21:
Hubal was one of the main idols worshipped by the Quraysh and was located in the Kaʿbah in Makkah. His exact origins are a bit of a mystery, but some scholars think he might have come from Syria, possibly with Nabataean or Aramaic connections. This idol was crafted from red agate and had a broken arm, which the Quraysh replaced with a golden one. People would consult Hubal for divination, using arrows much like casting lots.

Hubal wasn't seen as the creator god or the ultimate deity in a strictly monotheistic way. Instead, he fit into a henotheistic or polytheistic framework where Allah was recognized as the supreme god, but people would turn to intermediaries like Hubal for guidance or protection.

To a large extent true, except that

The fact that the pre-Islamic Arabs stated that the three daughters of Hubal are al-Lāt, al-‘Uzzā, and Manāt are the exact three daughters of Allah.

Islamic sources about Abdul Mutalib show that Hubal is aka Allah: the difference is that Hubal is represented by an image in the Kaaba while Allah is not.


Yes, I am aware that Islam claims that the pre-Islamic Arabs bastardised the true worship of Allah by including other deities, unfortunately, there is not one iota of pre-Islamic history or archaeology that shows this.

Looking at the Islamic history of Abdul Mutalib, the conclusion would be that Hubal is the idol form of Allah because both of them were the Lord of the Kaaba. A sacrifice to Hubal is a sacrifice to Allah. Islam came to UNIFY worship in the Kaaba under Allah alone.

AntiChristian:
So holy spirit does not possess Islamic knowledge?
Tell us what the holy spirit teaches you about what you asked first.

I would like to correct the holy spirit.

I even doubt you have any atom of holy spirit in you!

Why is it that Muslims block their ears to the Truth

1. What are the names of the three daughters of Hubal?
AND
2. Who is Hubal?

CreativeOrbit:
Thank you for your response. While I understand your concerns, I must respectfully clarify several points.

First, the claim that peaceful conduct by Muslims is only a façade until they become a majority is a sweeping generalization not supported by the diversity of Muslim-majority societies across the world. Countries like Indonesia, Senegal, Albania, and others with Muslim majorities are known for religious tolerance and coexistence. Power or majority status does not inherently lead to oppression—political, cultural, and historical factors often play a more decisive role than religion alone.

You say this because as a Muslim, you have never experienced marginalisation by Muslims as I have.

Except you don't believe in the verse
Qur'an 9:29
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture- [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

Is this not the instructions of Allah?

CreativeOrbit:
Second, the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) does not promote intolerance. On the contrary, it is rich with examples of mercy, restraint, and respect for others—Muslim and non-Muslim alike. The Prophet entered Mecca with the power to exact revenge but chose to forgive even his staunchest enemies, saying, “Go, for you are free.” He lived peacefully alongside Jews and Christians, established treaties with non-Muslim tribes, and strictly forbade harming civilians, clergy, or places of worship in warfare.

Yes, there are firm rulings in the Sunnah, especially related to justice, law, and social order—but these must be understood in context, not selectively cited without the surrounding ethical and historical background.

You paint Prophet Mohammad as so nice but your religious books say the exact opposite. Yes, why should he kill his own people of Mecca after his victory?
But that didn't say he didn't kill anyone such as Abdullah ibn Khatal and Miqyas bin Sababa.

Prophet Mohammad killed over 700 men and boys of the Banu Qurayza tribe who Surrendered to his mercy after his siege against them when he concluded the battle of the Trench. These people even helped him did the trenches but their offence was that they didn't join him in battle against his enemies. Even if there was betrayal as claimed by Muslims, justice required that the offenders be fished out and punished.

This clearly showed how merciful he was.

You recite the Al-Fathiha at least five times a day, and your prayers is against Christians and Jews. Those who are under the curse of Allah and those who have missed the way.. Is this not the origin of the problem!?

CreativeOrbit:
To suggest that a peaceful Muslim is “torn” between peace and obedience to Allah is a false dichotomy. Islam commands both justice and mercy. The Qur’an repeatedly instructs Muslims to act with kindness, to repel evil with good, and to be just even toward those they dislike (Qur’an 5:8, 41:34).

In conclusion, extremism and intolerance are not products of sincere Islamic practice, but of ignorance, manipulation, or political misuse of religion—a reality acknowledged by Muslims themselves and actively addressed by scholars and communities worldwide.

Rich4god RightChannel Entusky TenQ AntiChristian

Yes, a peaceful Muslim is torn between obeying Allah, obeying the Sunah and loving his neighbour.

Qur'an 5:51
"O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians as friends (awliyaa). They are [in fact] friends of one another. And whoever among you takes them as friends, then indeed, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people."

Should you take me as a friend against the clear teachings of Qur'an 5:51 ?


This is the problem of peaceful Muslims!

CreativeOrbit:
1. In pre-Islamic Arabian belief systems, al-Lāt, al-‘Uzzā, and Manāt were three prominent goddesses. However, there is no authentic Islamic source or historical evidence directly linking them as literal "daughters of Hubal." This association stems from pre-Islamic mythologies and interpretations that Islam later rejected as false.

The fact that the pre-Islamic Arabs stated that the three daughters of Hubal are al-Lāt, al-‘Uzzā, and Manāt is already HISTORY and because they existed before Islam, Islam cannot reject them. Any notion of rejecting these history is weak attempts to rewrite history.

Check even Islamic sources about Abdul Mutalib and you will find out that Hubal is aka Allah: the difference is that Hubal is represented by an image in the Kaaba while Allah is not.

CreativeOrbit:
2. Hubal was a major idol worshipped by some Arab tribes in pre-Islamic Mecca. He was placed in the Kaaba and considered a central figure in idol worship. With the advent of Islam, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) cleansed the Kaaba of all idols, including Hubal, restoring it to the pure monotheism of Abraham. In Islam, Hubal and similar idols are seen as symbols of the ignorance (Jāhiliyyah) that Islam came to end.

Rich4god RightChannel Entusky TenQ AntiChristian

This is true.

However, how is it that the exact names of the daughters of Hubal is the exact names of the daughters of Allah?

Isn't it another proof that Hubal is a synonym for Allah?


Secondly, I do not think that Islam came to restore a pure monotheism. Islam came to UNIFY the objects of worship into one name called Allah.

Otherwise,
1. What is the exact meaning of Ahad?
2. What is the exact meaning of Taoheed?

Neither mean ONE!

Janosky:
Oga,Continue shaking your head.
Read the screenshot again and again.

Onye nzuzu

Like the Pharisees, you have no answers as usual!

Janosky:


Did your own Bible reveal which of both titles is higher?

Deepsight has already exposed what you do & how you go about it on this forum.

Everyone will see it & take notes.

No answer like the Pharisees as usual!

It's not one of those things they have told you to memorise!?

AntiChristian:
You have your own holy spirit revealed idea about this topic already so tell us so I can show everyone here that the holy spirit either is a liar or does not exist!

This is Islamic history and not bible lessons bro.


1. What are the names of the three daughters of Hubal?
AND
2. Who is Hubal?


I am still waiting because neither you or any Muslim have answered these questions!

CreativeOrbit:
Thank you for raising your concerns. These are important questions, and I appreciate the opportunity to clarify and provide perspective.

1. On eating in public during Ramadan and the claim of compulsion in Islam:
Indeed, Islam teaches that “There is no compulsion in religion” (Qur’an 2:256). Fasting during Ramadan is an obligation for Muslims who are physically and mentally capable, but it is not something to be imposed on non-Muslims or those exempt. Unfortunately, in some Muslim-majority societies, cultural practices and religious expectations can become intertwined with legal or social norms, leading to enforcement that does not reflect the spirit of Islam. It's important to distinguish between cultural enforcement and Islamic teachings. Irritation or cursing others for not fasting is not condoned by Islamic ethics, which emphasize patience, respect, and leading by example.

2. On Muslims in non-Muslim countries and integration:
Muslims, like followers of any other faith, have a right to practice their religion peacefully, even in countries where they are a minority. Practicing one’s religion publicly—such as wearing religious attire or requesting halal food options—is not the same as imposing beliefs. In most cases, Muslims seek only the freedom to live in accordance with their faith while respecting local laws and cultures. In pluralistic societies, mutual respect and dialogue are essential. Any effort to impose religious laws on others without consent contradicts both Islamic principles and democratic values.

3. On extremism and the silence of the majority:
It is a misconception that the majority of Muslims remain silent in the face of extremism. Many Muslim scholars, organizations, and individuals across the world have publicly condemned terrorism and violence carried out in the name of Islam. However, these condemnations are often underreported by mainstream media. Extremist actions represent a distortion of Islamic teachings, and it is unfair to judge a global faith followed by over a billion people by the actions of a radical few.

4. On reactions to blasphemy in Nigeria and elsewhere:
Blasphemy is a sensitive topic in many religious traditions, including Islam. While some individuals respond with hostility, this is not representative of the religion's teachings. Islam encourages respectful disagreement and patience. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself endured insults with tolerance and dignity. Calls for violence are not only un-Islamic but also illegal and counterproductive. It is the responsibility of scholars, leaders, and communities to speak against such incitement, and many have done so, though again, these voices may not always be amplified.

In conclusion, the actions of some individuals or groups should not be seen as representative of an entire faith. Just as no religion is free from those who misinterpret or misuse its teachings, the same applies to Islam. Mutual understanding, open dialogue, and a commitment to justice are essential steps forward.

Rich4god RightChannel Entusky TenQ AntiChristian

Thanks for this writeup.

It represents exactly what moderate Muslims would want the rest of us to believe and not the reality of what happens when Muslims are in power or are the majority.

Secondly, it is impossible to deny that examples of harsh misbehaviours of Muslims to others abound in the Sunah of your prophet.

Strictly following the Sunah of your prophet results into the intolerance we see in Islam except if you reject following the traditions of your prophet (which goes against the Qur'an).

Thus , a peaceful Muslim is torn between being peaceful and obeying Allah because they go against each other.

achorladey:
Their religious leaders that founded the denomination especially Rutherford was so fixated on making them look separate and he ended up giving them the pharisees template. They know the truth but in order to look separate they will cook lies and manipulations just to look different and separate.

Jesus said witness about me to look different they concocted Jehovah's witnesses. The name Jehovah which they accept as God's name they know is more popular than correct.

They do not realize that they are under demonic influence. This is why they can't think beyond their programming.

I just asked them which is higher between
King of Kings
AND
Prince of Princes


They are looking gbundukuously!!

Janosky:
John 5:28= Daniel 12:2.
Jesus is doing Archangel Michael's work.

Revelation 19:13-18 & 2 Thess 1:7-8,1 Thess 4 :16,Jesus leads angels in battle & victory doing Archangel Michael's work in Revelation 12:7-9.

Oga,Your Bible has sense but you don't accept it.
But Max do.




TenQ assumptions and conjectures.
Guy man dey shift him assumptions and conjectures to another person.

Oga,grow up.
Screenshot evidence

As usual, no answer!!
SMH!!

Janosky:
Your Trinitarian mentors have written extensively on both titles.

Oga,STOP throwing tantrums to masks your Ignorance.
Simple advice.

The question is still waiting for any iota of intelligent answers


What is your understanding of this
Which is higher between the titles "King of Kings " and "Prince of Princes" and why?

Janosky:
TenQ, Continue shaking your head.
Jesus Christ the Resurrection and the Life is an apostle in your Bible.
Jesus the Apostle, archangel are Messengers of Jehovah their Creator.

Martin Luther the reformer was far far smarter than you.

Ishi aku.

Coming from someone who evades answering questions like the Pharisees!?

What is your understanding of this
Which is higher between the titles "King of Kings " and "Prince of Princes" and why?

AntiChristian:
You and others here have asked several times in your useless threads. And you've been answered.

I don't need to answer stupid questions any longer!

Please tell me exactly when you answered the questions

1. What are the names of the three daughters of Hubal?
AND
2. Who is Hubal?


I am waiting because neither you or any Muslim have answered these questions!


I await the link to when you answered the questions OR you kuku answer them for me.

achorladey:
Scroll until you get to the below....



https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2007644

Whao!

Meaning that they know their leaders know the truth about Jesus but deliberately chose to mislead their followers!


Thanks Bro!

achorladey:
Their brains are made sterile only fit to swallow the spiritual food of their GODS of men housed in USA. They are constantly told not to entertain any thinking or knowledge outside of the one signed by their religious leaders, when they meet those far knowledgeable in the scripture they chicken out yet you see them boasting that their 7 years old are knowledgeable than every churchgoers

In other words, you don't have an answer for my questions just as the Pharisees!

Have a good night rest!

achorladey:
Their brains are made sterile only fit to swallow the spiritual food of their GODS of men housed in USA. They are constantly told not to entertain any thinking or knowledge outside of the one signed by their religious leaders, when they meet those far knowledgeable in the scripture they chicken out yet you see them boasting that their 7 years old are knowledgeable than every churchgoers

In other words, you don't have an answer for my questions!

Have a good night rest!

MaxInDHouse:
Daniel and John specifically mentioned Michael regarding the salvation of mankind!

That wasn't the question!


1. Is a, b, c and d consistent with your doctrine?

2. In all the quoted scriptures in Revelation, which of them is Michael?

Either they never taught you this Or you did not memorise the answer yet

MaxInDHouse:
Angels are God's messengers and Sons so they are working for Him apart from Satan and his cohorts (demons) that are no longer loyal to their God and father.

So when Daniel and John mentioned the name of the angel and what he will do i don't think there is any misconception in that!

I didn't ask you what Angels are.

Is a, b, c and d consistent with your doctrine?

In all the quoted scriptures in Revelation, which of them is Michael?

MaxInDHouse:
This is the interpretation!

When it is time for God's Kingdom to be unveiled Archangel Michael will become human. That's why he was transformed into an embryo in the womb of Mary to be born as a human and from the time of his birth prophets like Simeon and Anna declared that a great child has been born {Luke 2:25-26; 36-38} Satan used a star to direct astrologers from Babylon to put the child in trouble so that Herod the great can kill the baby! Matthew 2:1

After his baptism he began preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom and from that time he gathered people and taught them many things which made them wise to teach others {Daniel 12:3 compare to Act 1:8} by the time this message is ongoing Michael with his angels in heaven will sack Satan and his demons {Revelations 12:7-10} that's why Daniel said there will be a time of distress which has never occurred before! Daniel 12:1 compare to Revelations 12:12

Ọmọ both books written by two different prophets specifically mentioned the name of the person whose actions will lead to a great trouble for the inhabitants of the earth:

Archangel Michael!

So you have nothing tangible to say against God's word!

See what I did.

I itemized the scripture into a, b, c and d. Your job was to respond to each one of them according to your doctrine NOT for you to give me your interpretation for it.

I said:
Is this below your interpretation
a. “During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people.
b. And Micheal will cause a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time.
c. And Micheal will cause your people to escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.
d. And Michael will cause many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt" Daniel 12:1-2


And I gave you several instances where a strong angel rose up tondo something from the book of Revelation to ask which one of them is Angel Michael ?

achorladey:
Jehovah sef na angel no just an Angel, Jehovah na Archangel, the day we show them evidence from their watchtower dem japa.

In will like you to give me the link to this o!

JW can twist scripture for Africa!
They are not much different from Muslims in many ways!

AntiChristian:
Didn't you see them where you learnt them?

You never tire of this rhetoric?

Are you afraid of the answer?

I asked you for the names of the three daughters of Hubal?

If you won't answer this, according to Islamic history, who is Hubal?

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible!

“During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt" Daniel 12:1-2

Perhaps there is another person bearing that name Michael in the Bible apart from the Archangel whose voice will raise the dead! 1Thessalonians 4:16

Or Jesus' voice is not strong enough to raise the dead so that he will borrow the voice of Michael to raise the dead!

You still don't make any sense
... according to you, Micheal An Angel of God is the Resurrection and Life!? SMH!!

You always misread the bible and jump to your own prefabricated conclusions!

Let me help you with your interpretation of the scripture you just read and tell me if it is correct

a. “During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people.
b. And Micheal will cause a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time.
c. And Micheal will cause your people to escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.
d. And Michael will cause many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt" Daniel 12:1-2

See how you make wild leaps?



Perhaps the following are Angel Micheal by your interpretation

Rev 5:2:
"And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?"

Rev 7:2:
"And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,"


Rev 10:1:
"And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was on his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:"

Rev 14:15:
"And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in your sickle, and reap: for the time is come for you to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe."

Rev 14:19:
"And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great wine press of the wrath of God."

Rev 18:21:
"And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Rev 19:17:
"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the middle of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together to the supper of the great God;"

Rev 20:1:
"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand."

Hussein035:
Insha Allah I will be in paradise

Do you know what Allah destined for you as per paradise!?
Because, you cannot escape Allah's Destiny!

akinsmail51:
Praise be to Allah.

The people of Paradise will enter Paradise in the most perfect and beautiful form , in the form of their father Adam (peace be upon him), whom Allah created with His own Hand and perfected his form and made his shape beautiful. Everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam.

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Allah created Adam in his form, sixty cubits tall … and everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam, sixty cubits tall…” (Narrated by Al-Bukhari, 5873 and Muslim, 7092)

With regard to their ages , they will all enter Paradise at the age of strength and youth, thirty-three years old.

It was narrated from Mu`adh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The people of Paradise will enter Paradise hairless, beardless with their eyes anointed with kohl, aged thirty or thirty-three years.” (Narrated by At-Tirmidhi, 2545. Classed as authentic by Al-Albani in Sahih Al-Jami`, 7928)

It was also narrated by Ahmad (8505) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), with the words “thirty three years old”, with no doubt.

Ahmad Shakir (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “Its chain of narration is good.”

O Allah, we ask You for Paradise and the words and deeds that will bring us closer to it.

Do you think this is TRUE or a FICTION!?

AntiChristian:
Who are the moon worshippers, liar?

Can you tell us the name of the three daughters of Hubal?

noobaland30:
How come Jesus died to humans if he’s God? Wouldn’t he conquer everything in his path if he was truly God and never died?

In the Qur'an, Jesus did not die, thus to Muslims He must be God according to your argument!

Janosky:
Yes.
Revelation 19:13-17, Matthew 25:31 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Oga is Jesus Christ the Commander of angels in battle?

Acts 3;19-23, is Jesus Christ a prophet?

John 7:16, is Jesus Christ a Messenger/angel?

Jesus Christ is an apostle, Tenq that's your assignment to find out the verse in your Bible.


Any assignments wey him Father give am, he dey do am very well.

Just come over now and throw your tantrums.

And according to you,
Micheal An Angel of God is the Resurrection and Life!?

SMH!!

Janosky:
Self appointed self righteousness.
Holier than thou attitude.
Gate keeper of.......

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Please keep on swearing in Allah's name!
It's your mouth and life!

2mch:
Soo dull. How about you also put the cost of their living expenses. You are comparing yourself to them. Do you spend in pounds? Why should they be paid in naira or equivalent to their peers in naira when they live in a more expensive society?

Even with that, they are still well off

*They don't need to pray to have electricity Electricity
*Water flows in every house
*Pre-Tertiary School for their children is cheep
*Their roads are mostly excellent
*Public transport is cheap
*Food is cheep

Above all weather is suitable for good skin