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BlueAngel444:
it's not about Rivalry, if it was Messi won't still win Balon d'or this season. It's about the fact Messi wanted Neymar back and now it [b]validates the point that Messi really needed Neymar to make another UCL fina[/b]l

How?

2015/16
2016/17
2017/18
2018/19

What happened to Neymar? The failed to make it past the QF.

Now that PSG met rookies like Atalanta and Liepzig they have advanced beyond the QF.

Besides most of us here would be rooting for Neymar to win this UCL.



However all of my points about Messi for the past 2 weeks are clearly depicted in this PSG team.

*Thiago Sylva is hardly shouting about all over the pitch in the name of motivating his team even during the time they were losing to Atlanta for 89 minutes. Everyone never relented in putting in work; From Thiago to Neymar.

*Neymar has received very appreciable help from his team mates like Mbappe, De Maria and Marquinhos. For PSG would have crashed out already if they were all waiting for motivation and for Neymar alone to score the crucial QF and SF goals.

Thank you for bringing this up. This PSG is the perfect case study.

haymekus:
You’re the most insensitive barce fan I have ever seen

Infact you’re just a Messi ass-kisser

Make a new ryhme.
Drop a new bar.
Sing a new song.


This one's gone stale.

BlueAngel444:
it's not necessarily a tactic, it's psychologic. Only a top coach can break it. Luis Enrique did something that helped Barca and made Neymar and Suarez shine. Barca wasn't Messi dependent and that made them then dangerous. That Enrique's team remove Messi Suarez and Neymar would still shine and until a manager can think without Messi lol. See the Spanish team Enrique called. Why should a team that has Greizmann a world cup winner and top la liga player, Coutinho, who asides from Neymar is Brazil's top attacker steal be scared to kick Messi's behind.

see how barca don turn Argentina .

how can oga director say Suarez is not wanted and Messi will be happy about it. That's how Bayern almost lost Muller until Flick showed up. If Messi wants to leave isn't it better to let him leave, the whole team will just reflect his unhappiness.

Imagine Koeman asking for Depay or Richarlson is it enough to vex man na

instead of looking for a CB. Coutinho and Greizmann in form can both produce 20 or more goals and assists each. Instead of Koeman to state how he wants to make use of recent purchases he wants new ones #Confusion

You still don't get it...

A club with Griezman and Coutinho should be scared of kicking Messi's behind.

Griezman is a world cup winner; Giroud is a world cup winner, Pedro is a world cup winner too. Even Navas is a world cup winner.

Coutinho is a top Brazilian attacker; Brazil has for very many top attackers.


Collect the numbers that Griezman's and Coutinho's boots have delivered.

Multiply by 10.

Your answer is not up to what Messi's boots have delivered.



And I tell you for free, Coutinho and Griezman are not among the best 15 players in the world.

I repeat Not in Top Fifteen!!


So Yes Barca should be very scared of kicking Messi's behind because of Griezman and Coutinho.

BlueAngel444:
Where does Messi even want to go , who will even pay the amount required to sign a player on 1m per week .

Messi wants to leave must be a stunt if not then that's the biggest news since Ronaldo moved, Neymar, Ozil and Sanchez joining Arsenal (lol who would have thought ), Hazard, Lewandoski, Mbappe. Moves that shook football in a way.

Let us understand Messi in a moment,
finished trophless ✔
disgraced in UCL again ✔
8 2 add this but Neymar makes UCL final and may win it ✔

The mental torture of it all
Messi needs motivation, something to get his footballing boots excited that's why he likely said he doesn't see himself in Barcelona next season. He should be a leader and sink with his ship or move to Italy the home of retired star players still seeking glory in Europe or USA

signing Messi would cost atleast £150m, forget he is 33years then paying him atleast £30m per year only Man City can pull this off, I would like to see Messi in EPL even just for 3 or 1 season

Lol

His rival is no longer Ronaldo but Neymar.

If by chance Ronaldo gets to the UCL final next year his rival would become Ronaldo once again.

If you were a deep thinker you would understand the implication of this and stop slighting him.

Sommyroy10:
As in?
Sell him to a competitor.
You would think Coutinho was painful, jam Messi first, you would understand the pain of some teams.

Sell a player who can guarantee us 50 Goals + Assists for another 3 years and keep those who can even produce 15 Goals because he does not shout on the pitch.

Mtchew.

homesteady:
Part of the reasons why Barcelona has been a mess is because Neymar was sold unexpectedly and now you people are really saying that Messi should leave?

Are you guys not thinking of the grave consequences? We have a new Coach that has a bad track record, and you want to sell the only player that can drag a badly managed team to success or near success?

Is it not on this same thread that some of us are advocating for Busquets and Pique to stay at the club because of their experience, and you people really want Messi to leave?

Besides, why should we even strengthen another team with such a player?
Please you guys should weigh the advantages and disadvantages before making some decisions.

Are you begging them?

Lol.

FirstbornWds:
For Barcelona fans wanting Messi to leave so we can build a younger, formidable team, I hope you remember that it has cost Barcelona zillions of dollars to get a replacement of Neymar. Have we really found any yet?

How.about Iniesta, Xavi, and Puyol? We still haven't found any.

Ronaldinho's departure wasn't felt because we already had a stabilized replacement...

Brothers, we seem to have become unnecessarily unapologetic and unappreciative of what the "little magician" has done for us over the years.


We need a better team, yes, but not at the expense of Messi.

What I perceive is arrogance..

"We are Barca"

It's nothing but sheer arrogance.

Never before has Barca been this much of a one man club.
Ronaldinho played with Deco, Xavi and Etoo before handing to Messi, Xavi and Iniesta.

At a point we had MSN with good Suarez.
Neymar left, and Suarez died.

Instead of wishing for the club to bring in quality players who can complement Messi,
the only quality one we have we are asking him out.

jpmoriarti:
I don't know why you're holding onto Messi. We'll survive without. Another star will rise to lead the team. It is true it will be almost impossible to replace him but we have to move on. Real Madrid have already moved on from Ronaldo. It is time we did same. Messi best days are well and truly over. Anything else from him is jara.

Of course his best days are over.
He was 22 now he's 33.

But you're not asking for his release because his best days are over.
You are asking for his release because he doesn't shout on his team mates on the pitch.

Is it not disgusting that his worst days at 33 are still better than the best days of the other players?
Messi's worst days at 33 better than your future of Griezman, Dembele and Fati.

Disgusting indeed.

Take Messi out, we don't even have any top 10 best player in the world at this club.
Or your club will buy Mbappe or Neymar or De Bryune, Salah, Mane or even Hazard sef.?

Abi you are depending on Griezman or glass man Dembele?

You guys are just displaying some nonsense arrogance on this Messi issue.
The arrogance is nauseating.

Even one top 10 player you don't have.

Una eye go clear.

BlueAngel444:
Messi's reaction to losing is to leave. What kind of leader can't handle a lose. Same stunt he pulled in Argentina.

Barca wants to blow away another hundred million.

I hope my Madrid capitalize of the wreck occurring in Barcelona

Una see them again?

If he doesn't leave he is scared of challenges, he doesn't want to leave his comfort zone.

But when he decides to leave he is a bad loser who wants to leave because of a loss.

Dont blame them though, we keep patronizing these trolls.

jpmoriarti:
How do you evaluate Messi on-field leadership skill especially when things are going all wrong for the team?

If he remains with the team, no one can strip the captain armband from him. So for us to move forward as a club, I think it is in the interest of everyone if he leaves. The earlier we rid ourselves of his dependency, the better for the club. Last four years have been a disaster. We can't keep doing same thing while expecting different results.

I have been quiet about this point all the while,

But I have never heard, seen or thought that only the guy wearing the captains arm band is legally permitted to motivate a bunch of 10 other players when such is needed on the pitch.

If Messi failed to motivate them and then more vocal figures like Pique, Mascherano (then), Alba, Vidal, Suarez went on to yell, scream and gesticulate in motivation of the team mates, what's gonna happen?

They would be fined a week's wages by the club for motivating the team when Messi didn't?
Or the players are not gonna get motivated because he isn't with the arm band? Which?

Okay; The best player in the team by a very very very very very wide margin should be sold because he doesn't shout and scream on the pitch.

Fine, we have heard.

[quote author=barackodam post=93126476][/quote]Na so na.

I have to stress it to be sure I fully understand what am hearing.

Beverlyjean:
You have a very very low I.Q .... u can't b intelligent to even understand or comprehend...

U claim he is the greatest, but how can he when he has no trophy for country , of which thats what greatest is based on and not individual awards .... forlan also won golden ball, modric won balon dor... pele , Maradona, cr7 , van Basten, zidane , Ronaldinho all have won major trophies for club and Country and hv individual awards as well... ur little man has only barcelona as major achievement...he is in the category with Lewandowski, cruyff, di stefano , puskas , if salah wins more league titles and CL with Liverpool, u can as well also call him the greatest...

So because vvd won best player last year ( individual award), it now means he is greater than ramos or maldini that never won it but won all trophies...or ud say modric is better than xavi and iniesta cos he won golden ball and balon dor .....keep on posting crap

No wahala.

Beverlyjean:
Thats y i said the award is crap... when u say extention of votes, its still crap cos u don't just decide to change votes , hu u believe in weda they extend or not will still remain the same ....

Neymar also won the Olympics...but he doesn't care about that ...only u messi minionic clowns will b carrying children's cup and singing it like its the greatest achievement

Alright Babe.

Beverlyjean:
Thats y i said the award is crap... when u say extention of votes, its still crap cos u don't just decide to change votes , hu u believe in weda they extend or not will still remain the same ....

Neymar also won the Olympics...but he doesn't care about that ...only u messi minionic clowns will b carrying children's cup and singing it like its the greatest achievement

6 time Ballon dor manipulated

Best player at the World cup manipulated

Best player at the Copa America manipulated

Best player at the Olympics manipulated

Best player at the Under 20 world cup manipulated

Top scorer ever for Argentina manipulated

Top assist man ever for Argentina manipulated

Your IQ must be manipulated.

Beverlyjean:
[s]Again I say u saying crap... individual awards can b manipulated...winning trophies are harder to manipulate...modric won balon dor ahead of ronaldo that clearly performed better ...if u say modric got to the final tho he was distagraced in that finally France, then ud explain y sneijder that got to the final in 2010 dint get the award after messi was disgraced 4.0 by Germany in the same WC ... it simply shows that these awards can b easily manipulated...

Mentioning eder is another crap...who scored the goals that got them to the final... if not for ronaldos goals, wud eder have played that final?? So Maradona that dint score in the final of 86 also means that valdano that scored should b credited as the reason y they won it...like his performance against England and Belgium is crap shey??

U messi fans are delusional and los[/s]t

You I know your type.
You wired like that.

When Ronaldo or Neymar win it's cool.

When Messi wins they are manipulated..!!!

You simply do not understand the context of any argument.
You're just all over the place like an MTN signal.

We are comparing 2 entities here. Messi /Ronaldo.
Messi/ Neymar.

If Ronaldo carried his team to Euros final and missed it while Eder carried him across the line.

Messi also carried his team to Copa Final and none of his team mates could pull an Eder to deliver the goal,
How does this conclude that Ronaldo is better than Messi for country?
How?
Damn!

I am seriously at a risk of having my IQ degraded arguing with you.
Damn she dumb!

Beverlyjean:
[s]
Pls stop disgacing urself with children's cup...even neymar has won under children's cup and Olympics...even mobi okparaku has was olympics ...

The gold medal neymar won is crap as well... we talking about standard senior trophies... golden ball is another crap, hu 4kin cares ?? It can b given to anyone they feel like giving...after all forlan won it in 2010 when it was clear that villa, iniesta and sneijder deserved it better... muller, neuer ,James Rodriguez deserved it better... messi dint score one goal or assist a goal thru out the knock out stage and they still handed him that wayo trophy just because blatter instructed as his favourite...the same ojoro against sneijder in 2010... blatter , the most corrupt fifa president of all time...it was under him messi win 4 straight times unreservedly [/s]

As expected; crap excuses.

We are talking about Neymar you have jumped to another issue like intellect myopia.

Messi has children cups show us Neymar's children's cup na.

Blatter did not extend the 2013 Ballon dor for Ronaldo after Robbery had already win it abi they did not give Neuer's award to Ronaldo in 2014.
You think you're the only one who has sense here and selective amnesia.

Beverlyjean:
At least I'm glad u acknowledged the fact that he will certainly perform at a big club...but same cant b said about messi...besides in the world of football, Portugal is like Sevilla roma and Everton... Argentina is the second biggest team in the history of South American football...they are like juventus, barcelona, Liverpool...they have history ...which history does Portugal have?? They started becoming serious contenders when ronaldo joined the team...

Same can't be said of Messi?
Lol.
That's a delusional statement.

The Best Player at a World Cup?
The Best Player at 2 Copas America?
The Best Player at the Olympics?
The Best Player at the Junior World Cup?


As for Portugal they were extremely lucky.
They flopped so bad at the Euros 2016 that they qualified as best losers.

If best losers wasn't introduced for the first time they would have crashed out of the group stage.

Then the final was won by Eder. Ronaldo did not perform in the final.

You can't use that against Messi.

Winning a trophy is a team thing.

Messi's individual Awards and Numbers for Argentina prove that he's always played very very very well for Argentina.

Beverlyjean:
61 goals in 100 games at 28

70 goals in 140 games at 33

One copa America to neymar
No international trophy for messi

Now thats the difference

Copa America to Neymar?

Name the year Madam.


Comparing goals at differnet teams as the yardstick is just silly.

Talk about awards and trophies;

Messi;
World Cup Golden Ball.
Copa America Golden Ball.
Under 20 Golden Ball.
Olympic Gold Medal.
Under 20 World Cup.


Neymar Nko,?
Olympic Gold.
Ehen?

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MASTAkiLLAh:
Criticize Little Finger and end up in court, in the case of Chidi Odinkalu, there wasn’t even a case file number dem just manufacture court summons anyhow

Are you afraid of court?

Court is not a prison, it's only a place where people settle cases.

jpmoriarti:
All I know is if Messi is really doing all he can for the club in UCL, we won't have suffered all these four year of continuous ignominy. I am questioning his leadership skills as Captain of Barcelona.

At 33, it is obvious his best years are well and truly behind him. Barcelona must move forward. We cannot be dragged down by sentiments. Messi is the best player in the world but we must now move forward as a club.

Okay lemme get your point clearly one last time.

Even at 33 Messi is the best player in the world but the team that has the best player in the world must do away with the best player in the world because the best player in the world has got no leadership skills.

Alright then.

haymekus:
Why keep reiterating that people watch match in bars/viewing centers??

Baba show us your “camp nou tickets” now

Where ever the hell someone chooses the watch football, that’s his business, watching football at the stadium doesn’t mean those that don’t shouldn’t have an opinion.

Am not the one forming correct fan by saying some of us are Messi fans while some of them are true Barca fans.

Oya let the true Barca fans show their camp nou tickets.

Nairaland Barca fans.

konezy1:
oya make Messi sef go make he go prove himself

Messi did not tell you he wants to prove himself.

Ronaldo is the one always talking about proving.

Let him go to Sevilla or Everton.

YoungLionken:
I'm talking about form in countryside...

Form??

Form kee you dia

Give the numbers that show that Neymar is better than Messi at international level.

perdollar:
like a goat is trying to do

He won't run until they push him out.

Pirlo and Buffon have allegedly called Vidal to tempt him to return to Juve.

Just waiting for Messi to declare let's see Man City, PSG, Juve, Inter, rush to sign him for 200 mil.

It's time for Messi to leave and stop trying to lift their dead club.

perdollar:
a GOAT bows out when d ovation is loudest. #respecttoCR7

Runs away when the team is down.

preselect:
where u wan make him go? Dude has never won anything outside Barcelona.

Ronaldo has won everything with Man U, and Real Madrid. Ronaldo has won Serie A/Italian Cups with Juventus. Ronaldo has won the Euro and Eurpean Nations cup with Portugal.

Like to see Ronaldo go to Sevilla, Roma or Everton.

Let him prove himself.

YoungLionken:
Judging from his country side, Neymar is better...

How is Neymar better?

-World Cup Golden Ball.
- All time top scorer for Argentina.
- All time top Assists provider.
- Olympic Gold.

Name Neymar's own.

Angelfrost:
How exactly do you mean??!... No other club has the quality of players Barcelona has??! Or Barcelona jersey has something no other jersey has??!...

What exactly will Messi do differently in teams like PSG, Man City, Bayern, etc??! He will no longer be able to move, dribble, shoot, etc??!

Why do you respond to idiotic comments?

Messi should leave Abeg.

He should not waste the remaining part of his career trying to carry a dead club.

He should act like Ronaldo and run to another stable club with good players and win things.

PSG and Juve now looking for Vidal.

Na all these fake assss Barca fans wey dey watch ball for bar wey know pass everybody.


Mtcheew!

joviegghead:
Okay na. So being a captain is about scoring and assisting only. Abi?
Messi fans and barca fans are truly different.

See this one!

What qualifies you as a Barca fan tho?

Because you post on this thread abi because you watch Barca at your home or even view centre?

Say you buy match ticket for Camp Nou abi you register as club fan?

Barca fan indeed!