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Ubenedictus:
i hope you remember you are discussing with tex? The question are a bit much and her belief isn't exactly fixed.

ihedinobi2:
Why do you expect me to quote Bible verses? I thought you know how I discuss religion. Do I quote verses out of hand especially when someone has expressed a lack of confidence in the Bible as we know it? You give me far less credit than I deserve. Why exactly is that?

I guess I never really paid attention. I usually don't get involved in religious discussions anymore. Sorry I don't know how you, yourself, discuss religion without the Bible. I've mostly read your comments on the Christian Chat thread. You use the Bible there.

ihedinobi2:
To the issue, "Christian who slanders, insults and humiliates others" is an example of an oxymoron, don't you think?

Somehow I think that's the ops point. It is mine at any rate.

ihedinobi2:
What is a Christian other than a human being who lives like Christ or, at least, is devoted to living like Christ? We don't need a Bible verse to establish that, do we? A Christian who does all that stuff frosbel described is a false Christian just like a dollar bill that fails to exhibit all the qualities expected of one produced by your Federal Reserve is a fake bill. It is really very wrong to speak as frosbel did because he defines Christianity without clear reference to the Christ from whom it derives.

Again my point

ihedinobi2:
About the Bible as a guide, consider this: every discipline, every art, every expression of life has some authority that defines standards regarding it. You, for instance, teach English and creative writing as far as I know. You refer to some authority or authorities to shape every idea you convey or express. If life has an author then that author is not unlikely to set standards in line with their purpose for inventing life. If the author did that then the author would necessarily have to assume the responsibility to preserve those standards in all clarity or else it would be unjust to demand that or expect those they create to live up to them. Assuming that God did in fact give a guide to us in the Bible, he would then be responsible to preserve it pristine and easily communicable and understandable to the least human or else he would be a most unjust God to expect everyone to live according to it.

Did you really just say this? Let me ask you...How many different ways do people interpret what is in the Bible? Communicable and understandable to the least Human?

How many different Christian religions are there? Of those, how many think they are the only ones who know the full truth? How many think they are the only ones who truly baptize with Jesus Christ's authority? How many think the other religions, even the Christian ones, are not on the right path? How many are totally, off the wall, crazy?

They all use the same book. Why so many different interpretations if it is so easily understood?

ihedinobi2:
For this reason, it makes no sense to me that we should assume that God neglected to ensure that during translation and compilation the Bible's quality was always preserved. If God were a being limited by time in that he could die and be absent from events like those then it would be expected that his standards would fall into ruin but he is necessarily an eternal being and everything that exists is directly or indirectly his invention. So it is contrary to reason that he did not preserve the Bible whole regardless by whose hands it was handled.

I've already addressed this.

ihedinobi2:
You have said that "too many men" did such and such but have you thought about it? How many is too many? How did you decide that those who handled the Bible were too many? How many would be ideal?

Good observation. I concede this point.

I don't know how many. I'm making assumptions. There is actually historical evidence on those who chose the books in the King James Version of the Bible. (the one I like) As for the translations of those books chosen, into Latin... and how many languages before that...who can say?

ihedinobi2:
Finally, do you notice that you are picking and choosing what to believe? You deliberately reject the Bible as an authority to define your beliefs.

Did I reject the Bible? Hmmm

ihedinobi2:
But you subscribe to Christianity - or Christ Jesus, if you prefer. That raises the question: 'what defines your beliefs as a Christian?' Also, why are you convinced that God wants anyone or everyone to return and that there is more than Heaven and Hell? Are you inventing these beliefs yourself or are you receiving advice from another source?

Ahhh there it is...I subscribe to Christianity. I was raised a Mormon. That would explain where the occasional "odd" belief comes in. I haven't been a practicing member for some time though.

I do believe the Bible to be true, as far as it is translated correctly. There are a few other things I was taught growing up that make me question some of it.

I have had a very close relationship with God all my life. I have asked Him about many things. I believed the things I was taught growing up. Some of it is less easy to swallow as an adult. I believe it was what I needed at the time. My faith in Jesus Christ most certainly saved my life growing up.

I have fallen away from much of my belief system. It troubles me yes. I do still cling to my Christian values and beliefs though.

ihedinobi2:
In either case, why do you find it easier to believe your source (whether it is yourself or some external source) than the Bible?

I think my upbringing covers this, although...Mormons do believe in the Bible. As teens we go to Seminary for 4 years. Every morning before school we attend a religious study class. Of those 4 years, 2 are spent on studying and memorizing the KJV of the Bible.

ihedinobi2:
I am not asking about your lack of confidence in the Bible, I'm asking about your confidence in what you do derive your beliefs from.

I'm not sure of my confidence in the Church I was raised in. I am sure in the confidence I have in the loving God I know. He loves all his creations. So much so that he wants us all to return to him. I'm not saying we will all be on the same level in His kingdom, but we will all be there in some capacity. I don't believe "fire and brimstone" will be one of those.

Tbh...I'm not sure there is any one true religion. I think there is some good in most religions. For me, I cannot deny Christ. I will never do that.

Because of the love I feel in my heart for all mankind, which is there because of Christ, it is impossible for me to think He would abandon so many of those He loves. There is a plan, even for those who don't believe.

IMHO take it or leave it. I value your opinion and your friendship. Thanks for caring.

Wow! Nice pix op. Talented guy.

Great information op. Thanks for this helpful thread.

ihedinobi2:
Why did you share this, texanomaly?

Because I happen to agree with some of it. Especially this:

frosbel:
Those deluded ones who keep living like the devil and claim the blood of Jesus as a legal loophole will be in for a shocker.

I will rather be friends with a Muslim who loves his fellow man than a Christian who slanders, insults and humiliates others

Remember ; God sees the heart and not the 'mouth' !

I believe the Bible is a good guide in some ways. I don't believe the books in the Bible have been translated correctly, or even if the men who chose the books were inspired to choose those particular books.


Too many men have done the picking and choosing. Too many men have chosen words to replace those words they were unsure of the translation of. Too many men have replaced words that there wasn't a word for in their language.


I have never believed in only Heaven or Hell. I believe the God of this Earth wants All to return to him, and has prepared "mansions" accordingly. I do believe there will be a judgement. He will judge. Thank God it's not my job, there or here, to judge others.

Even those who don't worship Christ will have a place in Gods kingdom. Where that will be I don't know. I don't believe it will be in eternal torment.

Before you start quoting Bible verses, don't bother. I'm well aware of its contents.

jrerico1:
it's funny tho, because there must be a reason am not having sex with her, if she catches me she'll understand and might even consider helping . But any day I sight di!do' in the house she'll explain

Hahaha so what would you do if you are not satisfying her?

Freemanan:
You have a point love.... You Just need to see the bigger picture....

We have to start somewhere. I just hope "freedom" doesn't run the same course as feminism here in America.

Teeter

Freemanan:
Women in Nigeria enable and reinforce their own stereotyping and disenfranchising but that is a topic for another day.

Why should this be a topic for another day? Until woman stand up and demand basic human decency, they will continue to "disappear".

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dre11:
To you or

To anyone who can read.

lastmessenger:
Is this a joke?

Not a very funny one.

LEOSIRSIR:
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