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Humility017:
the bolded...meaning nacho has an average of 1,62 games per goal...and martins 2.27
they're both not on the same class whenever the super eagles is mentioned....

False equivalency for anyone using goals per game ratio to compare players who have played an unequal number of games.

No matter what side of the argument you are, it is clearly evident that the more matches you play, the less your goals per game. Otherwise, we will jump to the conclusion that a player with 3 goals in 3 matches is far better than one with 30 goals in 40 matches. Let's not use statistics blindly.

Martins had 8 goals in his first 7 matches for Nigeria (over a goal per game average). Does that did that make him better than KC when he had played just 8 matches for the SE? Every player's goals per game ration slides the more games you play. Kelechi's goal per game ratio has and will continue to go down the more games they play and that doesn't take anything away from his quality.

Many congratulations to you tbaba1234, TheGoodJoe and Naijaphobia

BascoVanVeli:
Oga I don't say stuff like this and I stand to be corrected but I just personally feel FIFA is a racist organization. The Argentina that we are talking about had 3 draws in a row against lesser competition.

The organisation may well be racist. However, the points tally seems largely consistent with their ranking formula which is transparent for all to see and Icon4s' prediction was right. Hence, I don't think racism has anything to do with the ranking except of course the formula/procedure was designed to somehow discriminate against African teams

Kog45 I made some edits in . Dont think Agbonavbare ever played for Deportivo. I know Rufai was, though in 1998

Kog45:
Hope u are OK though stand to be corrected

Amunike -Zamalek of Egypt
Rashidi Victoria Setubal of Portugal
Keshi Unattached
Siasia Nantes of France
Finidi Ajax Holland
Okocha Frankfurt Germany
Amokachi Club Brugge Belgium
Mike Emenalo Nolvermphton England
Ben Iroha Vitesse Arhnem Holland
Austin Eguavoen Kortickj Belgium
Uche Okechukwu Bronby Denmark
Uche Okafor Moleenbeek Belgium
Sunday Oliseh Leige Belgium
Sunday Oliha African sport cote d voire
Nduka Ugbade Castellilla/unattached
Peter Rufai Unattached (was fired from Go Ahead Eagles after CAN 94)
Alloy Agu Mvv Maastricht Holland
Mutiu Adepoju Racing Santander Spain
Wifred Agbonavbare Rayo Valecano Spain
Emeka Ezeugu Lyngh Denmark
Chidi Nwanu Anderlecht Belgium
Victor Ikpeba RC leige/Monaco
Efan Ekoku Norwich England

Kog45:
Did he concede it with nation team,hope you remember Cech conceded like 5 goals this season,does it mean he is not good.

As at 1993 Rufai was just trying to get his feet back and dropping a la liga keeper keeping week in week out raised a lot of questions then,though we won Afcon but it was glaring in the semi final and final Dodo Manyana was not Dodo of maroc 88.

The best of Rufai was 1983 to 1989 and nobody to argue that, this was Rufai of Stationary Store,Femo scorpion of Eruwa,Require Dragon of Benin Republic.

Did you remember Rufai was clubless in early 90s that forced him to go back to school,his clubless gave rise to Alloy Agu who was doing it well with Maastricht in dutch league and Agbonavbare at Deportivo LA Coruna.

Rufai contract at Lokeren was later cancelled it was hectic for him during this period and Westerhoff need to come in and recommended him to Go Ahead Eagles in Dutch league.

Westerhoff needs to listen to yearnings of fans cos we don't want see any keeper apart from Rufai, this was what cost the like of David Ngodigba eagles shirt.

Prior to our last WC qualifications match against Cameroon in Yaounde, Rufai came to camp uninvited and Westerhoff said no way,he took Ngodigba to Yaoundé, we lost the match by a lone goal but fans descended on Ngodigba for no reason.

The meted the same treatment on Alloy Agu,Nigerians don't want Alloy in goal no matter his performance though a very average keeper by every standard but Rufai was not having it good in Europe.

The discovery of long forgotten Agbonavbare was a masterstroke that assisted Nigeria in qualifying for her first WC,despite his heroic performance, fans still believe he was not the best even the NFF believed Rufai was the ultimate.

This forced Westerhoff to invite Rufai after qualification to afcon and WC to see Rufai cos he thought despite Agbonavbare performance and for fans to be yearning for Rufai then he must be a good keeper.

Goalkeeper trainer really work on Rufai to bring him back to form,this paved way for Dodo as number 1 at Afcon and WC but very glaring those that watched him at afcon 84 and maroc 88 knew Rufai has passed his prime just like Stephen Keshi.

I had a lot of discussion with Clemens Westerhoff cos i handled most of his utilities bills so we talked a lot on Nigeria football and the politics involved,so i was able to get some fact from him ranging from players selections and he said loyalty first before perfornance.

He said initially he doubted Rufai loyalty and also his club form did not help the situation and need to settle for Alloy Agu and Agbonavbare but he regretted not given him the chance prior to Yaounde match in 1989,that he later listened to fans yearning after 4 years just to take a look but funny enough the goalkeeper trainer admired Rufai.

he said Super Eagles was the most difficult job in the world cos everyone in Nigeria knows the game and love the team passionately.

Thanks for taking us down the memory lane.

It is true that Rufai went to Tunisia 94 due to pressure from Nigerians and especially the influence of Emeka Omeruah. However, he redeemed himself at USA 94. I think he was even ranked the 3rd best in the tournament. While he may have been past his peak, he was awesome in the group stages and made critical saves that kept us from going behind against Bulgaria and made the scoreline against Argentina more respectable. Let's also not forget that Westerhof started easing him back into the team in 1993 through the eagles "Team B" that prosecuted one of the WCQs against Congo and most of the AFCON qualifiers and prior to that Semi final match at Tunisia 94, Rufai had played 6 matches under Westerhof without conceding a goal

forgiveness:
I am always calm but it seems some people no cherish am.

If I begin my small kolo walahi...

Forgiveness, no need to begin anything. Please let it pass. It sdoesn't diminish you in anyway neither will responding in kind add anything to you

forgiveness:
Why was a Barcelona player neglected for those two or three matche? The question you asked obviously portrayed you as one who had not an atom of Gbenga career. So, the question is a distraction and digression from the koko.

Lol. Willing to accept i don't know anything about his career, So please help me understand the answer to the question I asked so I may be enlightened (Including what club he was playing for when he was "ignored" in 1999)

forgiveness:
I can never forget that day i did nt see his name on the list for the friendly against Greece in 1999. Why was a Barcelonia player even ignored for these 3 matches?

Like i said earlier, Nigeria played just one competitive match in 1999 with our first team players. All other matches were prosecuted with mostly home-based or second string players. The greek match you are referring too happened in the second half of 99 (I forgot to include that initially), when Gbenga was in Benfica. The only first team players in that match were Oliseh and I think Taribo and a few others. These are the facts, to borrow your own words. Come with a contrary one showing that he was ignored for any competitive match.

Okunowo played for the flying eagles while in Barcelona. If his rejection was foul play as you claimed, why did he become first choice RB when he was sent on loan and his stock apparently reduced? Did the handlers suddenly begin to stop being corrupt or they suddenly fell in love with him after he was shipped out?

forgiveness:
From what I deduced from this is that few individuals have personal interest in the super eagles and at the same time there is personal vendetta against some set of players by these few individuals which as result, is at the detriment of National interest.

Can you please explain what played out against these set of players that didn't get invitation to the national team as at that moments they played for bigger clubs or in a better league?

Why was Gbenga Okunowo never invited to the national team during his time at Barcelona despite been part of the team that won the league that year?

Why was Lukeman Haruna ignored for two sessons during his time at Monaco? We know he was called for a friendly which he only played for 12 minutes. The world cup he went to was due to the injury mikel substained else he for no smell am(arrange thing). Why was he still ignored after the world cup despite helping Monaco to get to the final of Coupe de france? Why was he ignored despite playing regular with a top club like Dynamo Kyve that was regular in champions league and Europa league for 3 good seasons?


Why was Some aluko never invited when he was obviously the best player for Rangers in the Scottish League? With all his exploit he has not been capped for more than 5 times.


Time will not permit me to to mention all the players they allowed to fizzle out for players like Chidiebere Nwakali.

Please kindly explain. Thanks

Had to jump in on Gbenga Okunowo to make the records straight, because you have mentioned his name a couple of times.

Gbenga Okunowo was in Barcelona's first team for only one season (1998-1999).and in this period, the Nigeria played only one competitive match, which was a CAN qualifier against Burundi in Abeokuta. This was an era, when the only top grade matches we played were qualifiers. The only other match in that period was the 5-nil loss to Catalonia. Yes Gbenga was not called up for either of this matches.

However, he was in the flying eagles squad for Nigeria 99 (while still in Barca). In the second half of that year, when he had gone to Benfica, the SE managed to play two friendly matches (Ghana and CDR) which were prosecuted with home based players.

1999 Summary:
Matches played by SE: 1
Matches Okunowo was not invited: 1

The scorecard doesn't show that he was shunned while in Barca.

Going forward, Gbenga was the first choice RB (had Jersey number 2), going into CAN 2000, where he started in 3 of the matches and came in as a substitute in the other two. He was already on loan to Benfica at this time. He was also a part of the Dream Team that year as well and featured in our matches in Sydney.

Again, I stepped in to correct a misrepresentation about Okunowo, because this is not the first time you are raising the issue of his exclusion from the SE. The facts on ground suggest otherwise

chrisooblog:
forgiveness you said two things are involved you can't for the purposes of argument exclude one to the detriment of the other.

you typed these words using your own fingers not mine

1. playing in the top 10 best leagues in the world
[b]2. playing for the best clubs either in the top 10 or outside

so based on the bolded does ajagun play for the best club in belgium? simple yes or no

Chrisooblog,

The criteria is one or the other. If you don't meet the first criterion you must meet the other

OMANBALA1:
1000 likes.
My brother I have said it before Forgiveness is mentally sick, just like the rest of tribalistic bigots!

I do not concur to this. Let's try to have a discussion without this type of name calling

forgiveness:
Chidi Nwakali has paid his way into the national team. Rohr is definitely corrupt.

Now, I know this the national team is controlled by few and their powerful agents.

I will surely do something to sensitive those who are not aware about the way some players get into the National team anyhow.

This is disappointing, forgiveness. Impugning on someone else's character (both Chidi and Rohr) just to make your point. You have accused Rohr (who has gone months without pay) of being corrupt with no tangible proof. You have no record of money changing hands, no phone calls, no record of anyone saying Rohr has received bribe.....

These are grave allegations you are making against someone who could easily be your father and another who could be your younger brother. People doing their best to succeed in their chosen profession and you come out to make this accusation against them based on hearsay or the thrill Nigerians get for highlighting how "corrupt" we are? The fact that you have no qualms making false accusations against these men is a serious cause for concern. For someone who always requests for concrete facts for any counterclaim to your points, I think the onus is on you to provide verifiable facts in this case to be credible. At least you need no fear any backlash since you are anonymous (well not completely anonymous)

The internet is a force for both good and evil. Some use it to promote good, while others use it to "bear false witness against their neighbor". I am sure you have your own chosen profession for which you would not take lightly, any false accusations made against you simply because your accusers are not reasoning in the same wavelength. You may not take what you've done here seriously, but know that it is planting a seed of mistrust in the minds of people about honest hardworking men. You need to make a decision on whether you want to be a force for bringing people up or manufacturing accusations to have the upper hand.

It costs nothing to make accusations...Jesus enemies did the same when they couldn't explain his power. Be very careful so that the measure you use on others will not be used against you!

One recurring sentiment I think has been a serious setback for african teams over the years, has been this clamour for "new players" at every turn. Keshi was the coach for 3-4 years and up until he left, we still had a feeling that we were "building a team". I can assure you all that going by what I am reading on this thread and past trendss, these same players we are tagging as "fresh" and claiming to raise for 2022 will quickly be discarded and classified as "tired legs" by 2021. It's a cycle that never ends and I have been seeing this in play since our past golden generation of players. We have always been rebuilding and discarding players not based on what they do or do not offer but on perceived need to "inject new blood"...

Onigbinde did it, same with Christian Chukwu, Eguavoen, Siasia, Keshi and Oliseh.

I simply don't understand why the first hurdle for player invitation is age as opposed to performance. It's the National team and not an age-restricted competition! No team gets remembered for how young they are but rather what results they can produce at the time.Aime Jacquet didn't drop Ginola and Co because of their ages. He simply chose players that fit into his game plan.

Whether Martins receives an invitation or not is not my issue (I don't think he has anything better to offer than what we have). However, rejecting the idea of extending an invitation to him based on age alone is what I find puzzling.

TheGoodJoe:
Coach Monday Sinclair also coached that four nations mini competition. It was called the LG Cup. Not Troussier.

Gotti:
Coach Monday Sinclair took the Eagles to the 1997 LG Cup in Tunisia, shortly after Phillipe Troussier was fired and before Bora was appointed. Pius Ikedia made his Eagles' debut as a substitute in both matches of the tourney, and the team also included the since-infamous Francis Kumbur.
http://forum.cybereagles.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28234

That is playing Pius Ikedia a year plus before Nigeria 1999.

I am not talking about Assistant manager but head coach/technical Adviser.

Great. Thanks for that link.

Remember the link you shared earlier says that Coach Sinclair coached Nigeria for 2 matches in 1997. The two matches Nigeria played in that tournament is what the link refers to, not the WCQs otherwise, the report would have said 4 matches. Please go through our back and forth and see that the links you have posted are consistent with my submission!

TheGoodJoe:
I did not post the video for proof of Sinclair. I posted it for people to see a hint of our play in that game. That match was not handled by Troussier. At least this post will give you an idea.

Monday Sinclair on played two games for Nigeria Super Eagles in 1997 when Philippe Troussier was sacked by the Nigeria Football Federation

http://nationalpilot.wixsite.com/nationalpilot/single-post/2015/07/13/Who-is-Nigeria%E2%80%99s-best-indigenous-coach-ever

Lol. no need dragging this. Your links say nothing about when Troussier was sacked or the matches Sinclair coached . I have given you links which state that Troussier qualified us for the mundial and one of them confirmed my earlier submission that he coached us for 4 matches. All your posted links show is that Sinclair coached eagles in some matches, not the specific matches he coached.

There was a 4 nation mini tournament in 1997 involving Nigeria, Cameroon and two other African countries after the WCQ series....those may be the 2 matches your link refers to

That said, since you said Sinclair confirmed to you that he was head coach against Kenya, I cant challenge you on that (Though I suspect he may be talking of his role as assistant).

I remember vividly, Troussier's unhappy interview after qualification, lamenting Westerhof's presence in the stands!

TheGoodJoe:
Goals of Nigeria vs Kenya which ended 3-0 in favor of Nigeria. You can see the through pass for the final goal by Chris Ohenhen to Wilson Oruma.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40rEa990aG4

Shows nothing about who the coach was...I can even tell you the line up for that game from memory

TheGoodJoe:
Read this excerpt, you will see that Phillipe Troussier was gone before the game against Kenya. It was coach Monday Sinclair that handled the refreshing 3-0 demolition of Kenya in Lagos.

TROUSSIER: He has been under fire despite putting a 100 per cent record
with two wins in as many matches and placing the Eagles within 90 minutes
of a place at the World Cup finals.

The Frenchman is very bitter about undue interferences with training
programmes by the sports ministry. "I don't have anything against Enugu
as camp for Eagles" says Troussier. He prefers Soleni the camping site of
Abidjan-based Asec Mimosas. But later said, he wants the Eagles to train
in Lagos.

Meanwhile, as Troussier stayed back at home in France, the Nigeria
Football Association (NFA) has issued an ultimatum which expired last
Friday for players to report in Enugu or face the music.

SINCLAIR: If Troussier decides to quit (as he has earlier threatened),
Chief coach Monday Sinclair should take charge of the Eagles against the
Harambee Stars of Kenya. Are you panicked? Oh, it should be apprehension,
as according to Monaco striker, Victor Ikpeba:
"Nigerian Europe-based players don't respect local coaches."

EAGLES: The Eagles have outrightly rejected camping in Enugu and decided
to train in Lagos for the match against Kenya. Eagles' captain Uche
Okechukwu said: "We'll stay back in Lagos to train for the Kenyan match
rather than go through the hassles of finding our way to Enugu."
Another blow to the sports establishment?

NFA: The infuriated soccer house went into action Thursday passing a
stern 24 hours ultimatum to Phillipe Troussier. "Return or face the axe."

NFA's mouth-piece, Austin Mgbolu apparently annoyed with 'undue' media
criticisms like:
ominous headlines ... Nwobodo Chases Troussier Away (Champion): Troussier
At Large(Concord); Minister Goes Solo Over Troussier's Successor (Punch);
Sinclair To Lead Eagles ... Ministry, NFA Ignore Troussier (Vanguard),
etc. said the football association accused of indolence have resolved
that the decision to camp in Enugu is final and irrevocable.

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/soc.culture.nigeria/2FWgj0HeWh4

your report says "If Troussier decides to quit...."
Nothing in the reports says Troussier quit before the game. He led Nigeria in the game and was eventually fired. See quote from wikipedia

Entering the job halfway through qualifying he led them into four games throughout the campaign as Nigeria successfully qualified, however the Nigeria Football Federation decided to relieve Troussier of his duties and ultimately let highly experienced coach Bora Milutinović lead them into the tournament due to his experience of already managing three different nations in a World Cup at that time

One of his achievements was qualifying Nigeria for the World cup. Think about it...why would you fire a coach who was leading the qualification group before the final decisive match?

Below quote from BBC confirms this too:

It will be the 50-year-old's second spell as coach of Nigeria after a first stint which saw him guide the Super Eagles to the 1998 World Cup

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/4710307.stm

TheGoodJoe:
Just wanted to point out that the Super Eagles were not performing in 1997, struggling to get results and I think we lost 1-0 to Kenya. This led to the NFF deciding to disengage coach Phillipe Troussierre.

Coach Monday Sinclair replaced him and when he coached us in the last leg of the qualifiers against Kenya, we looked a different team, playing brilliant football and thrashed Kenya 3-0.

I think Coach Monday Sinclair should have been given the chance but the NFF was not going to risk going with a home based coach to the World Cup. That is what led to the employment of Coach Bora Milutinovic.

The Kenyan match you are talking about was in 1995, for the 96 olympic qualifiers.

The change made to the team after the uninspiring goalless draw in Lagos was the inclusion of Oliseh, Okocha, West and other Europe based players. Up until the draw, the only foreign based star to have been integrated in the team was Kanu and even he didn't play in the match against Kenya. We went into the all important "do-or-die" return leg in Mombasa with our "stars" and returned with a 3-0 victory. Not sure the coach was changed as Willy Bazuaye was still in charge of the dream team until Bonfrere Jo arrived months later

TheGoodJoe:
Just wanted to point out that the Super Eagles were not performing in 1997, struggling to get results and I think we lost 1-0 to Kenya. This led to the NFF deciding to disengage coach Phillipe Troussierre.

Coach Monday Sinclair replaced him and when he coached us in the last leg of the qualifiers against Kenya, we looked a different team, playing brilliant football and thrashed Kenya 3-0.

I think Coach Monday Sinclair should have been given the chance but the NFF was not going to risk going with a home based coach to the World Cup. That is what led to the employment of Coach Bora Milutinovic.

Just to put the records straight...

We were grouped with Burkina Faso, Guinea and Kenya and Amodu was in charge at the start of the qualifiers (the first two matches).

Due to the hangover from the olympics victory, Nigerians expected the team to play in a certain way and resoundingly defeat any opponents we faced (especially in Africa). Such was this confidence in the players abilities that deep down, many felt we didnt need a coach to perform well. With this type of expectation, anything less than an imperious performance will be put down to the coach. This was what Amodu faced:

We beat BF 2 - 0 in the first match in Lagos from two second half goals. The second match was a different story altogether as we needed a header from Akpoborire to draw level against Kenya in Nairobi. The result was greeted with anger by the fans and the blame fell at the feet of Amodu. That was when he famously declared that Nigeria needed a foreign sports minister when Jim Nwobodo decided that the local coaches would not do it.

In came Phillipe Troussier with his own brand of football. He introduced the 3-5-2 system to the Eagles and led them to two uninspiring 2-1 victories (Guinea at home and BF away). The fans and the press blamed his system for the performance and he had to revert to 4-3-3/4-4-2 in the return 3-0 victory against Kenya where we picked our ticket with one match to spare. IT is worthy to note that, in the midst of Nigerian's dissatisfaction at his playing pattern, Clemens Westerhof was at the stands and received a resounding welcome(Troussier accused Kodjo Williams who was a friend of Westerhof of orchestrating this)

We went to Guinea for the final dead rubber match and lost 1- 0. The Guineans dominance over the eagles in that match led to a clamor for his sack and he was relieved of his role shortly afterwards (forget the fact that we have always found it difficult to get the upper hand against Guinea in senior matches, be it CHAN, WAFU or tournament qualifiers)

I have read that Bora had little time to prepare for the word cup, but he had at least 6 months to do that

forgiveness:
I don't know about Abuja protocols but I can authoritatively state that such weren't allowed in Lagos stadium. Fact.


Mobil Athletics trials are boring and in most cases are free toll.

Different scenario all together.

I have answered you with the link above. BTW, the gates were almost free for AFCON to encourage Lagosians to come to the stadium

forgiveness:
Is Lagos the same as Abuja?

Just had time to search google on this matter and here is BBC's account of the match. Please see the quote below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/football/africa/cup_of_nations/cup_news/621410.stm

Bottles rained down on the pitch during the final minutes of the match as the crowd vented their frustration at the result

forgiveness:
Is Lagos the same as Abuja?

No it is not. Is your suggestion that Abuja allows plastic bottles and cans while Lagos doesn't?

Btw, I was in the stadium to the Mobil Athletics trials in 1999 and don't remember being searched. I now expect you to say "football is different" to which I will answer that I know what I saw on TV

forgiveness:
Let me make this clear to you. Calabar and Uyo hosting the Super Eagles have to do with their governments providing the finances of our games for free for economical purpose.

The highest bidder takes it all. I don't think Uyo fit flex muscle with Lagos if they are really interested in hosting the Super Eagles. Sorry..

If Lagos State who is doing everything to bring back the Super Eagles to Lagos for their own economical purposes, na sin?

My friend, I am speaking the mind of the current government of Lagos state in regards to hosting the Super Eagles and not solemnly my opinion or thought.

That was why I mentioned Ambode.

You ignorantly made conclusions that it's my mind sets whereas you where only ignorant or not current.

Please, update yaself.

If you are not happy with the government of Lagos state, na my problem?

I agree with the bolded though and it should be encouraged

forgiveness:
Bros, bottles or any dangerous objects were never allowed in the bowl. So, how you take see bottle na em me I no understand?

Bottles don't have to be glass. Plastic bottles filled with water and cans can still be dangerous. That is even beside the point as what I disputed was your claim that there was no such thing as throwing missiles at players at AFCON 2000 which you claimed to have attended but the finals.

It's a pity there is no clip of that match around.

However, on the question of bottles and "objects" not being allowed in the stadium, take a look at what happened to the Tunisians at Abuja stadium in 2009 in the video below from 2:51 - 3:03. You don't have to be in the stadium to know that those weren't pure water sachets:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgoS-jH5cUk

forgiveness:
Na lie you lie because I watched football at the National stadium steadily. Especially when we hosted major competitions.

I watched all our matches during the 2000 nations cup at the National stadium save the finals because of.....

There was no time the players where booed nor stoned because their games were entertaining.

If you play boring game you should expect to be booed.

However, I only witnessed booing and throwing of pure water when the U23 were thrashed by Togo in our last friendlies before the Olympics in 1996.

You no know wetin dey happen.

Na you dey lie.

Our second match in AFCON 2000 against Congo goalless draw is an example.

During the match I watched on TV as the fans were throwing bottles at Gbenga Okunowo when he was about to take a corner kick.

If you were at the stadium and you missed that, I suggest that you start watching from the TV to see better. The team bus was even stoned even though we didnt lose the match

forgiveness:
Na lie you lie because I watched football at the National stadium steadily. Especially when we hosted major competitions.

I watched all our matches during the 2000 nations cup at the National stadium save the finals because of.....

There was no time the players where booed nor stoned because their games were entertaining.

If you play boring game you should expect to be booed.

However, I only witnessed booing and throwing of pure water when the U23 were thrashed by Togo in our last friendlies before the Olympics in 1996.

You no know wetin dey happen.

Na you dey lie.

Our second match in AFCON 2000 against Congo goalless draw is an example.

During the match I watched on TV as the fans were throwing bottles at Gbenga Okunowo when he was about to take a corner kick.

If you were at the stadium and you missed that, I suggest that you start watching from the TV to see better. The team bus was even stoned even though we didnt lose the match

Joebie:
A draw for Egypt would have still knocked Ghana out of contention

Not if a replay is ordered for the match against Uganda

forgiveness:
Uyo fans are boring. come to Lagos make you see 90 minutes of madness.

In short, the atmosphere will ginger the players to score and win games else dem own don finish.

Na pure water dem go take finish the players and coaches wey no wan win.

The more reason why Lagos shouldn't be considered. I reckon the fans would have started booing yesterday while the score was still goalless.

Nothing good can come out of that attitude as it puts the players under more intense pressure. Not a good environment for optimum performance.

For someone who loves everything foreign, you should know that this is not how the motivate their teams

Late drama in Cairo. Egypt now leading 2-1 from injury time penalty. A draw would have kept Uganda in with a shout and also given Ghana a strong reason to pursue their wrongful officiating claim

forgiveness:
Failure na failure no matter how you take fail.

Keshi was part of the failure crew. EOD.

We know when Siasia was the Super Eagles Coach for the first time, he played beautiful Football but at the end of the day nobody cares to know because failure na failure.

I truthfully dont understand what you mean. What could he have done to ensure he wasn't part of the failure? He was in charge of just one match and he won. What should he have done otherwise?

forgiveness:
Who was the coach before Oliseh?

Did Keshi have any part in the nations cup qualifiers before Oliseh took over?

Haba, forgiveness.

Keshi was coach for only one of the matches (against Chad) and we won 2-0. Unless you can get more than 3 points in a match, i don't see how Keshi contributed to the failure of the team to qualify.

@TheGoodjoe and @goldfish, your views on the role aren't different from each other (from what I have been reading at least, or am I missing something?). Take a step back and see that you are both essentially saying the same thing about the DM role and in no way denigrating the players who play in it.

@Mikael2 and others, Mikael's view that Hierro isn't a legend indicates that he has a different definition of the word than most people here (particularly with regard to longevity). Hence that is the fundamental point of disagreement . I was surprised anyone could ever suggest Hierro isnt a real madrid or spanish legend. It is not the case however that he hates Mikel or something like that. If we take time to read and understand what people with opposing views write sometimes, we might be able to skip some unnecessary arguments

I must say I learn a lot from this thread and the healthy discussions devoid of personal insults are commendable! Thumbs up!