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What I think Keshi meant (which he did not fully assert according to the comments we are hearing) is that the Malawian coach had no business telling Afrikans whether or not, a location is safe. If it is not safe enough for you and you want to report to Fifa (an organisation based outside Afrika, not CAF) then perhaps Afrika is not good enough for you, go to Belgium. I think the guy should have taken the safety issue up with CAF first, not go directly to Fifa.

Coach Keshi got angry and let the anger overcome him. Seriously, the Malawian coach was stupid for saying what he said. I think the Malawian coach was spiteful because he did not get the Nigerian job. Keshi responded with spite as well because the dude just insulted his country. He could have been a lot smarter with his comments though. Also, the full interview and the question Keshi was asked needs to be supplied.

This will be interesting. Any action/sanction ideally would be on Keshi but I will not be surprised if the entire team suffers for it and Malawi goes to the World Cup.

God damn! I tend to know places like these but is this for real? Looks awesome.

niggadee: kenya, Lake Turkana

I get where you're coming from but don't you think that if most of these pictures were not enhanced digitally, they will look just as "local" as the Olumo rock picture?

No doubt some of those places look stunning though.

Kslib: Do you even know the meaning of the word "inferiority complex"?
So one shouldn't say the truth all cos Zuma rock and gurara falls games reserve are in my country?

I didnt call them ugly but said 'he shouldnt have added the pics cos it spoiled those wonderful places in his list"..
The thread wasnt about places in Niaja.. It was about 16 superb places..
Didnt you see how those places made those two naija pics look local..

Those places,zuma and gurara falls are not bad looking but beauty has its grade..
Open a thread about wonderful places in Naija and you'll see me praising them...

The fact that you couldnt comprehend a post,doesnt mean you should quote the post and type the first word that comes to your head,AND !hey!! You better stop being a hypocrite!!!
All izz well!

Very nice. Some of these pictures are obviously computer enhanced though. Yellowstone is indeed amazing (would love to visit someday) but not that colourful and those canyons...

Where are my manners? My apologies for going way off topic.

I promise not to do it again

Sybellah: loool this year Africans or Carribeans must win it, don't u see how we look good na? so i follow it closely until we get the crown

Oh yea damn right....and we've seen lots of shyt happen!

Sagamite: A motive getting head does not mean the motive makes sense nor does it mean a decision is justifiable.

So I don't see the point of your "it gets heard".

Even Ariel Castro's motive was heard. And so?

People only get heard in courts not because they are making sense or have sense to make. They get heard because it makes it appear free and fair. At the end of the day, when they finish saying their moronic rubbish, they are still told it is rubbish and get punished.

An eye for an eye motive is rubbish and would be thrown in the rubbish bin.

Anybody saying a White African cannot represent their nation is chatting shyt!

You accused me of advocating an eye for an eye. I then said how can a crime based on that have no motive or why would a police force with common sense not investigate or establish a motive? Whether or not the motive is justifiable depends on the courts but the motive still gets HEARD. Which has been my point the whole friggin time, man. You said disregard it, I say, it deserves to be heard.

"person's" motive still gets investigated and established not disregarded completely even if "person" ends up in jail.

Is constable trying to get a confession? lol. I wasn't advocating anything as repeatedly stated in my numerous posts. This started waay before your fixation on an eye for an eye by the way...it derailed long time ago. Time to give it a rest.

Sagamite: Where did I say an eye for an eye?

YOU were the one defending an eye for an eye but yet claimed you were not advocating an eye for an eye.

Whatever reason for person, who is not affected directly from a crime, threatening others of a crime WOULD get him nicced (arrested). He has no excuse in court for breaking the law, he would pay in a sane society. Metropolitan Police investigating does not mean they would listen to moronic reasons. They will smile with you and still book you straight up.

I am surprised you did not know. It looked very obvious:

https://www.nairaland.com/1373950/africans-miss-world-2013-coverage/12#17999321

So you were advocating an eye for an eye?

I thought you said an eye for an eye....how then can a crime based on an eye for an eye have no connection to another crime? The reason behind the "person's" threats will not be established? What is the motive? This has happened so many times in the "sane society" talk about. There are many cases where seemingly unrelated crimes/investigations have resulted in the opening or re-opening of cases.

It is funny that you substituted what the NPF would do with what the Metropolitan police would do, dude. NPF will lock people up often times without caring about what motivated their crimes while on the other hand the police force in a "sane society" will investigate every aspect of the crime and spend huge amounts of money doing that. This is ridiculous.

I did not know that this has been about an eye for an eye the whole time

Sagamite: So YOU ARE "advocating an eye for an eye doctrine"!!!

That is my point!

Yes, a moronic police officer like the one in the NPF might take it into account because his brain is malnourished and he can not think critically as his brain is only used to "them" vs "us". In the UK, the person threatening others would be arrested by the Metropolitan police force and cautioned for disturbing the peace and threatening behaviour.

So location is not regardless. One is a sane society with great police force, the other is moronic society with trigger happy animals.

Really? Finish up the analogy and see whether or not police investigators ought to take into account the crime in committed in Neighbourhood B by someone in Neighbourhod A. This is getting silly, regardless of location, it is evident that all is still connected lol.

I see this whole argument has derailed from its original topic to whether an eye for an eye is morally right or not.

Sagamite: That analogy is a fail.

Let me improve it for you and make it more apt:

Someone from by 'Neighbourhood A' killed a cat owned by someone in 'Neighbourhood B', now another different person in the 'Neighbourhood B' threatened to kill any dog he sees owned by someone from 'Neighbourhood A'. Police investigators refusing ......................

Can you see it is senseless and basically an eye for an eye?

So you are "advocating an eye for an eye doctrine"?

Lol. Are you trying to confuse me? Let's not employ fallacies here. My response was to your castigation of someone who thinks it is important to consider that rarity.

For example:

I killed my neighbour's cat and the neighbour threatened to kill my dog. Police investigators refusing to understand the reason behind the threats would be stupid. Also, seeking to understand the history behind the threat does not mean condoning the threat. Or does it? Stressing only the threats and disregarding everything else is flawed. Through a proper understanding of the case, a judge can then decide whether or not it is proper to punish me for killing the cat by killing my dog or other means.

This, I believe sums up my argument without personification of the subject matter.

In response to this question however: "Why would I need to consider the "rarity of black women representing European nations to which they belong" when choosing a White African to represent an African nation..."

My answer: Because someone cried foul.

Sagamite: Why would I need to consider the "rarity of black women representing European nations to which they belong" when choosing a White African to represent an African nation if I am not "advocating an eye for an eye doctrine"?

What is the relevance of it for my conclusion? Why should I not disregard it? Is one not refusing to disregard it not a case of "advocating an eye for an eye doctrine"?

I had another meaning of coloured in mind.

Its nice to see Afrika representing. Cool beans.

Sybellah: Yup correct.

Thought as much. Pretty much indigenous people of mixed heritage. Like the Mestizos of South America.

Sybellah: kk I see, here is what I meant about what you highlighted:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloured

Okay, again....It is simply to show the gap in your conclusion. The aspect which you are not considering or that you disregarded. Let us not forget how this particular discussion started,

Sagamite: Let me park the rest for now. I will gladly come back to it.

If you are not "advocating an eye for an eye doctrine" then what relevance does "rarity of black women representing European nations to which they belong" has with choosing a White African to represent an African nation?

You make valid points. Like I said, I have no interest in fighting for black people to represent European nations and only sought to challenge the discrimination argument made by Sagamite.

Uhm...I find it difficult to understand the part in bold. Perhaps you wanna rephrase it?

Afrikaners having a right to represent SA is a given considering the South African situation. They are part of the SA nation-state. Like I pointed out, SA is a complicated case. By the way, Afrikaners and Black Americans cannot be compared, I'm sorry. That is just not right. Being a minority is SA is a completely different reality from being a minority in United States. Unfair.

You are right, pageantry is of minimum importance, I agree.

Again, using Black Americans as an example is simply unfair. Completely different circumstances and power dynamics characterize blacks in the diaspora and European settlers in Africa.

Of course it is their problem. It is SA, a highly unequal society, of course you are very likely to have non indigenous people representing that country. Hence the reason I said, SA is complicated. I am not complaining. My post addressed Sagamite's position which identified discrimination against Europeans while ignoring discrimination against Afrikans as well. That was the point of my post, it is not a complaint about why in the world they chose a European to represent SA.

You've seen Afrikans applaud the mixed race beauties that have represented European countries, well good for them. I have no problem with a mixed race person who embraces his/her "Afrikaness" by representing an Afrikan country. They have the natural right to both heritages. It is common sense. That said, you are able to observe that Afrikans pull the "pro-pure African" card when it comes issues about their own country but the other side of the story which is hidden is the fact that Europeans also pull the "pro-pure European" card when it comes to the representation of their countries as well. Oh you mentioned Obama, didn't you? My post never addressed mixed race by the way. If it did, you would have known that I have no problem with mixed race people, they have dual allegiances and have a right to choose or embrace both heritages. Simples.

By the way, read my post again, if you can be bothered to and you will realize that I was in no way complaining about this issue but challenging the logic and rationale behind an argument.

Sybellah: Ok, this is out of context concerning the country of South Africa. The current contestant is a colored South African, not a recent european girl that came to their country to win the title. She is well South African and she deserve to be there because her own people voted for her. Colored are indigenous from South Africa although they have european, indian and other ancestry.

As for Afrikaners, they also have the right to represent SA. They have been in SA for centuries, and are among the minority groups of their nation, same as Black Americans in North America, so if you think they should not be allowed to represent their country in something with minim importance such as pageantry so does Black Americans?
Now, it's true that with SA, their ratio of white/black is higher with their Misses compared to their population, however this remain their problem, They can elect a Chinese for God sake, as long that it does not affect your own country, I don't know why it should bother you. After all, they do what please them that's all.

Since the independence, I have never seen a black African country send a recent european migrant to represent their country. But european doing it yea: Sonia Roland miss France 1999, Miss switzerland 2012 of Swiss and Congo descent, Miss Belgium 2005 of Cape Verdean descent, even the recent ethiopian migrant that won Miss Israel 2012 and that Obama went to congratulate personally. I have seen black people applaud that, but when it's about a mix race from their own country, then play the "pro-pure african" card. If it aint hypocrisy, I don't know what this is.

Not advocating an eye for an eye doctrine here but wouldn't the rarity of black women representing European nations to which they belong (nationality wise) be considered discrimination as well? But European women can represent an Afrikan nation (SA to be precise). Bear in mind that this was the original argument. The poster decried this imbalance. Being quick to identify what you call discrimination against Europeans is not fair as it fails to consider European discrimination against Afrikans. It is being caught up in fighting for equality to the point that we forget to fight to end discrimination. Everything is not "kumbaya" yet.

That said, I have no interest in advocating for Europeans to "allow" the Afrikans amongst them to represent them in pageants by the way. I only seek to point out the "one sidedness" that I perceived in your statement which suggests that calling for Afrikans to represent Afrikan countries is discrimination against Europeans in Afrika. The Europeans practice this as well and if they consider it not to be discrimination, then it is not discrimination if an Afrikan country takes that stance as well.

Also, to question your position that this statement is "misconceived":

"caribchic: I have to agree with cameroonpride here..european countries also have people of colour yet it is very rare they send up delegates that are not white. Therefore they should not send up european women to represent africans in a beauty pageant...don't kill me its just my opinion."

Contrary to your suggestion that this statement is "illiterate", it actually employs a "depth in analytical thought" seeing as the poster considered both sides of the coin and presented a valid proposition up for debate.

PS: I do know SA is a complicated case.

Sagamite: Illiterate is a synonym for someone that demonstrates simpleton thinking instead of a depth in analytical thought and ratiocination.

Consideration of what exactly? The illiterate disposition that manifest itself as "Us" vs "Them" instead of respecting people as individuals?

"The illiterate way" ? What does literacy have to do with this? How come the initial discrimination is not taken into consideration here? It is obvious that it is rare to see a black person represent a European nation in pageants. If you think that is misconceived then I have nothing else to say.

Sagamite: So the illiterate way to deal with your misconceived perception is to discriminate?

Is hair realy inconsequential in pageants? I find it odd that hair will not be taken into consideration in beauty pageants considering you said hair had absolutely nothing to do with winning.

Notice that Darego actually had on an Afrikan hairstyle (suku, I believe it is called) even though she added hair and straightened.

Can relate to the racism part and I also think that it is the prominent reason Afrikans don't usually win these competitions. However, I disagree with the statement that a beautiful person is beautiful regardless of what they put on their head. Have you seen what some people put on their heads? Lol. In my opinion, these "hair hats" hugely deducts from Afrikan women's beauty.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

stillwater: Lol, Agbani and Leila that actually won pageants added 'white' hair on their heads. But i have to add that Their winnings had absolutely nothing to do with inconsequential matters like hair, including your Benita Mureka. Africans, Caribean or any other black diasporan not making it at the top most of the time is because they are blackkkkkkk. There is still prejudice on black beauty. It is not because of a petty issue like hair! A beautiful person is beautiful regardless of whatever that person puts on their head.
Because Benita cut her hair, it doesn't mean it would fit all black woman. The shape of the skull is taken into consideration.

You'd be surprised!

metti: Overbearing attitude in developed world? That is not true, the have laid down rules for such matters and they are guided in a civil manner by the rules. You dare not manhandle the person or cart away his properties. He still has some right despite the offence.

C'mon brother, you said:

"Although Christ told us to pay our tax, I believe a wise govt should avoid taxing businesses of religious organizations, seeing it as their way of apprenciating God's mercy"

You said the government should "avoid taxing businesses of religious organizations". You definately implied that church businesses should not pay taxes

SUBMARINE: Must u guys insult me because of my opinion. Those insulting me did I say they shouldnt pay tax.? No, what I did is to appeal to the govt to see religious bodies as partners in development and probably insist they provide affordable best of services.

Of course you are right. What the government does with our taxes is important and should be challenged just like we challenge the churches. That said, this topic is not about that. The brother/sister I quoted was shifting the focus of the thread in his/her argument by talking about a side issue. That is why I said what I said.

anyaekekehinde: I am not supporting any party here, but i beg to disagree that what the government does with the tax is a separate issue. No its not. what are they using the tax money for?. but it seems logical for you to ask what the church is also using the profit(If there is any) made from the school for. but i cant talk about that because i dont attend winners

Bros, but the issue of what the government does with the tax is a separate issue.

sammhi: the school is wrong not to pay tax. however, I feel pained that the government of ACN has nothing to show as benefit for taxes paid by individuals. Rather these taxes are used for personal benefits and luxuriant excessive lifestyles of the politicians and government officials with no benefit to the individual tax payer...no good roads, no water, no light, no social welfare, education and health is solely borne by individuals ...the list goes on..
In advance countries, u start to enjoy the benefit of taxes as soon as you are born up to your death.... so it is criminal for you to have enjoyed these benefits and not pay taxes when you are now of age and working ..in any case over there also, by the age of 65 years you start to enjoy benefit of taxes also in return...
Here in Nigeria, the government officials and politicians steals both oil money and taxes and yet the tax paying citizens has no benefit whatsoever.
the school should pay not because you are willing or because you know the tax monies are used judiciously but because the bible says we should do so......

Holy ghost slap....lmao

Most of these churches are tax havens. They all need to be investigated. Imagine a church running a school for profit, it is no longer a charity organisation.

koonbey: After taxing the "Sheep" to build the School,charging obscene amounts there;they begin giving "holy Ghost Slap"s to Government Officials who come to collect what is due unto the Government.

Thin, yes but she doesn't look significantly thinner than other contestants. Or maybe it is just my eyes.

caribchic: Miss Trinidad & Tobago..thin af but what the heck..i'm patriotic

Lol...putting words in my mouth again or did you just pretend not to see my reply to this already? Wow! That is your OWN conclusion. Don't isolate a post, form your own conclusions from it and then attribute those conclusions to me. Read my reply to stillwaters and other posts.

kandiikane: ohh ok... so I can buy weave or a wig as long as it represents the black ethnicity.

I mention afro once (in an example that wasn't even about Afrikans) and you had to completely take it out of context and put words in my mouth? No one said afro is the only Afrikan style (putting words in people's mouth much). Oh...you don't really need to tell me about how awesome Afrikan hair is, thank you. The point I was making about fake hair is completely independent of Afrikan hair, you brought up everyone including Europeans as using fake hair too and I responded to that. Fake hair is fake hair regardless of the type. You cannot however deny the fact that Afrikan hair texture is seen as 'ugly', 'unprofessional' blah blah by Afrikans themselves when it infact suits them better than 'flowy' 'silky' European hair. That is the narrative being challenged here. The issue is bigger than pageants.

I think its time to give it a rest. Lets give the thread back.

stillwater: Oh, it's no more about being fake, it's now about buying a fake afro to fit your image . Still 100% fake. And I find it absurd that we are quick to say afro. I've looked through old pics of my ethnic group, I see no freaking afro on their heads but certain elaborate styles. Afro is NOT the be all and end all of african hair. So if you are really promoting how I should look, then I need to do stuff like this...

https://25.media.tumblr.com/2dba850e4669213c0c165232f32ff345/tumblr_mfwgk3jzq41qjh37to1_1280.jpg

Black girls are the most versatile with their hairstlyes. African hair is very flexible. It is the most malleable hair on earth. I can make it straight and I can make it afro.
Just this year alone I've braided my hair, worn a weave, don an afro wig, let my natural hair out, but it's the weave that gets a 'honorable' mention by people who have nothing better to do than to be crying about hair.

Lol...I get you. I guess this European hair issue has eaten too deep into our fabrics that we fail to see the mental and physical damage it causes. I think we have hijacked this thread. It is time to give it back.

CAMEROONPRIDE: it's all good my friend ....she simply doesn't get how stupid they sound ..when they try to defend the hair of death people they so proudly wear .

It is not exactly about being fake dude. Check it! If a European uses fake hair, she uses hair that reflects her true self, a European extension. Same texture and everything. Probably she is short on length or something. She doesn't go and buy herself an afro wig or weave. That is the point being made here. Our ladies go the extreme length to purchase hair that does npt reflect their image at all. I guess it boils down to them trying to fit in to the European standard of beauty but it still does not help.

stillwater: Rotflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is silly.
Everyone on that stage is going to be fakeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every single one of them whether asian, european or even jupiterian.
Weaves, make-up, fake eyelashes,wonder bra.
Welcome to the world of fakery.

Lets not resort to insults here. I don't think he was referring to 'top ten'. The spots he was talking about are reserved spaces for African contestants in the competition.

stillwater: Seems English is your problem? Where did I blame black men?

Lolllllllllll, African spots reserved? I laugh in dutch.
When did you start watching pageants?
Black people hardly make top ten, how much more top 5. You think it's because of your silly part time issue of hair?

True talk. You made a good point earlier on about the problem being at the national level. That is so on point.

CAMEROONPRIDE: can u give the crown to a fake one or a wannabe?
me I can't oooo . since they admitted that the Caucasian look is the best , why they still try to compete against their master? eh eh ....they should also make surgeries on their flat noses, thick lips etc .

Lol @ 'i hope none of you win anything'

CAMEROONPRIDE: u are not making sense unfortunately..the African places/spots are already reserved whether u go bald or with natural hair there is no way they will reject our candidates, so stop putting the white people for your own insecurity, stop blaming African men for your self hate ...there are preliminaries in each countries this is where lie the problem....girls with fake hair shouldn't b accepted .period
anyway I hope none of u win an[b][/b]ything.

Well, you are right. It is about standardized beauty which is unfortunately European. That is the problem exactly right there. You get Africans trying to fit into that standard which obviously does not suit them and automatically sets them back before the competition starts. Like you said, the pageants are beyond hair and beauty. It is also about self confidence and esteem which is lost once you put a weave on your head. Let's wait for an Afrikan winner with a weave on and then continue the conversation.

stillwater: It's not a platform is showcase your own beauty, hard truth. Unfortunately, it's a platform to showcase a 'standardized' beauty. If it were about Africa's own beauty, our representatives shouldn't be skinny or lanky.

What exactly is the finished product that you talk about, if I may ask?

stillwater: Lol @ superior, beauty pageant is beyond hair. Nobody cares for that. Only black men are fixated on hair, rotflmao. In fact everyone on that stage would have an extension attached to her hair either white or black. The finishing product is all that matters.