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 Music/Radio / Re: What Does Your Taste In Music Say About Your Intelligence? by TheArranger(m): 3:18pm On Feb 26, 2020 |
bizfirst:Well if he/she spouts out retarded lyrics |
| Music/Radio / Re: What Does Your Taste In Music Say About Your Intelligence? by TheArranger(m): 3:17pm On Feb 26, 2020 |
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| Forum Games / Re: ~<<The Last Person To Post In This Thread Wins>>~ by TheArranger(m): 4:49pm On Dec 04, 2019 |
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| Religion / Re: "I Took Permisssion Before Scattering Her Nyash, It Was Not Rape!!!"---pastor by TheArranger(m): 6:41pm On Nov 29, 2019 |
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| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 5:54am On Oct 10, 2019 |
SHADEYINKA There are other ways to resolve your "contradiction" too, namely the possibility of postulates 1 & 2 being false |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 5:36am On Oct 10, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I think it is you who is letting bias cloud your judgement. You have formed a contradiction with those postulations. As I said, that means one (or more) of the postulates is false. But any of those 3 being false seems fatal to your whole arguments because you've been insisting they are true. It appears you have shot both of your legs off and have nothing to stand on. I'm guessing postulate 3 should have read: An infinite regress of cause and effect is possible. That way, when (or if) you reach a contradiction, it would be tempting to go back and claim that the new postulate 3 must be false thereby reaching the conclusion i think you want to reach: the impossibility of infinite regress. |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 2:22pm On Oct 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Personal experience is subjective, thus, useless 1. Every effect has a causeI'm guessing "a" is the only possible conclusion based on your postulates b. Infinite regress of cause and effect is possibleViolates postulate 3 c. We have a conflicting logic...If this is the case, it means one (or more) of your postulates is false, but it does not tell you which one. Worse, infinite regresses are possible was not one of your postulates, so you will never be able to show that statement is false with this line of attack (proof by contradiction). It's a dead end. |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 7:07am On Oct 09, 2019 |
SHADEYINKA When you are ready for an honest debate, refer to my second-to-last post before this. Till then, i'm equally signing off |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 6:57am On Oct 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Is that what you want? If this is what you've been thinking or you've been worried about then it is just proof that you were never interested in an honest debate. You think this is a dick waving contest? If you can, please go through the first 11 pages of this thread. Literally the only person doing any "chest-beating" has been you. It is now clear to me that you came here to preach and not to debate. You came here with the mindset that you're never going to change your mind. Of what use is any debate if such is the case? I'm not saying I want you to change your mind. You can hold on to your beliefs, i couldn't care less. But debates should be held without bias and individual shaping principles. If anyone mocks you on making faulty points, re-examine your post. When everyone is talking the same crap about you, the problem is probably you. |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 6:34am On Oct 09, 2019 |
shadeyinka2: TheArranger:Dude, you're embarrassing yourself with these sorry evasion tactics. We currently do not know any method better than the "observables" that can be used for establishing facts about observable reality. I can see the point you tried to make but you've failed because you've now taken us back to square 1: ATTEMPT NUMBER 7 How do you know concepts like logic, entropy and thermodynamics (the observables) apply beyond our observable universe? BQ: Can you define "beyond our universe" in any way that is debatable? |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 11:24pm On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:If you have a better option for establishing facts then please, i'm all ears. Infact, why don't you write a book? Earthly science (observables) takes every nonsense out of your brain and tests it. You can rationalize and justify anything in a warped brain. The flat-earthers do it. Alien abductees do it. You are doing it. Replace "god" in my previous post with "source" or "first cause" and my point still stands. You don't get to imagine anything into existence. It's that easy. ATTEMPT NUMBER 6 How do you know concepts like logic, thermodynamics & entropy apply beyond our observable universe? |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 10:56pm On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Does your answer make any sense to you? Really? Stop dragging atheists into this issue. The question is about you. Time is one discipline scientists are attempting to come to grips with and reach a better understanding. In evaluating"time", one other discipline that has a lot in common with 'time" is thermodynamics. And that is what a lot of scientists are examining in order to better understand what time is. Although I do not have advanced theoretical training, I get it. But what the Bleep does that have to do with whether a god exists or not? In the academic world (which I have a passing fancy) these deep questions are examined, they know a heck of a lot more than anyone in this forum, theist or atheist. If they ran across any scientific evidence in their calculations for any deity, it would shake the foundations of the scientific community, and everyone would be immediately aware of such a major revelation. So bros, unless you possess a PhD in particle physics or some similar discipline, just why the Bleep are you attempting to prove a god in an e-forum? If you can prove via scientific arguments for a god, go to the world of physics, debate with those better equipped to discuss such a subject, and collect your Nobel prize. And if you can not do that, you're just a deluded joke clowning himself on an internet forum. Dude, you are conflating atheists requesting evidence and advanced theoretical concepts. Using your tactics will never win me over in this forum. A lot of other users have expressed this same sentiment. But if you sway the scientific community to accept your propositions, I will be the first to fly to your home, shake your hand and offer the most sincere apology possible. ATTEMPT NUMBER 5: How do you know that the concepts of logic, thermodynamics and entropy apply beyond our observable universe? |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 9:06pm On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Carefully read what you just wrote. Carefully |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 3:47pm On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Your "question" is based on the assumption that I don't believe those concepts to be possible beyond our observable universable. This is where you commit the strawman fallacy. Let it sink into your head: I HAVEN'T TAKE ANY SIDES. Read my posts carefully. Your "question" is painfully invalid. Now, let's try again. Maybe fourth time's the charm, ATTEMPT NUMBER 4: How do you know that the concepts of logic, thermodynamics and entropy apply beyond our observable universe? |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 3:30pm On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Can you just stop with the pointless strawman mining? Where in this thread, did I assert the bolded? I find it funny that you imply atheists to be dogmatic when you have continuously twisted logic and refused to concede an inch of ground yourself. I haven't taken any sides. It may be one or the other. Claiming one position bestows upon you the burden of proof. Are you beginning to see the futility of your situation? Let's try this again. ATTEMPT NUMBER 3: How do you know that logic, thermodynamics and entropy apply outside the universe...? |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 1:37pm On Oct 08, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX:Rotflmao.... this post just made my day |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 11:38am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:This is a poor attempt at evasion. Do you have an answer or not? |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 11:01am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:You have not answered the question. Logic is by and large a human concept. Our universe is under no obligation to make meaning to us. On what grounds do you make your claims? Are you to determine the process of everything? Do things need to make sense to you to be true? To be blunt with you, the only thing your absolute ramblings have succeeded in doing is convince us you are a conceited, arrogant and determined liar. I'm going to ask again. This is your second attempt: How do you know that concepts like logic, thermodynamics & entropy apply outside our universe? How do you absolutely conclude to know what is impossible or not in a wide range of existence that probably goes beyond our universe and possibly our physical dimension? 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 10:05am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:This is not my position 1. Strawman fallacy 2. False dichotomy fallacy I've used logic, thermodynamics , entropy etcHow do you know any of these applies outside the universe? |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 9:49am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:But you have not conclusively proven that infinite regress is impossible |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 8:44am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:There is no denial of any source. Just uncertainty. Also, the bolded is just pure unnecessary strawman fallacy. You're better than that. And it's starting to look like your arguments are getting poorer and poorer each passing page. Smh |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 7:26am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Well then, that settles it! If honestly and without any ulterior motives, you're only trying to suggest a source, that's fine. The problem arises when people conclude that it must be a god. Well, maybe it is a god. Afterall, the Flying Spaghetti Monster has its own religion. If you dismiss the FSM as a petty parody or rebuttal to creationism, then i'm sure there are countless other creator "gods" that have been proposed in the past. If something is impossible to demonstrate, it remains a claim and not a fact. |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 6:56am On Oct 08, 2019 |
SHADEYINKA / SHADEYINKA2 Unlike the round earth, your god has approximately zero conclusive evidence for its existence. Your endless word games on this thread is proof of that How many times have we told you that a first cause argument does not (particularly) demonstrate a god? Can you count that high? How many more times do we need to tell you? |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 5:43am On Oct 08, 2019 |
SHADEYINKA / SHADEYINKA2 1. People figured out the earth was not flat long before the circumnavigation of the earth occured, and some still deny it till today. I've even seen flat-earthers on Nairaland! 2. Theists always had to justify their god against other religions ("atheists"  at the time. Look up the definition and history of the word "atheist". There was a time when "atheist" simply meant "people who didn't believe in our god" even if they believed in other gods.3. Christopher Columbus did not prove the earth was round. Which primary school did you go to? 4. Do you know what the burden of proof is? Would you really not demand the flat-earthers prove their position? So... you would just accept them as being correct, right? Do you believe the earth is flat? Serious question 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 9:58pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Between 500 and 450 BC Anaxagoras determined the true cause of solar and lunar eclipses, and based on the shadow this earth cast on the moon, a round shape was the correct answer. 150 years later Eratosthenes calculated the diameter of the earth with great accuracy. Theists never had to justify why or how God existed until Atheists like you came around screaming " we have seen no Scientific and Emperical proof of God!"Of all the wild, crazy comments you've made on this thread, this one surely takes the cake. Really? Do you really expect you can go about making unevidenced extraordinary claims and not get called out for it? Lmao... Bruh you're going insane |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 3:23pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:This is called a strawman fallacy. That is not the Atheist position. You may have an Atheist who is brave enough to argue the position, in which case he would/could be an Anti-Theist. The Atheist position is much simpler and requires no burden of proof: we can't observe or detect gods/spiritual realms, therefore, we have no reason to believe such claims. 2 Likes |
| Religion / Re: The True Origins Of The Universe Revealed (A Challenge To Christians & Muslims) by TheArranger(m): 2:40pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
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| Religion / The True Origins Of The Universe Revealed (A Challenge To Christians & Muslims) by TheArranger(m): 2:22pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
Well, here is something fun to puzzle on: In the beginning, there was only Kun-Barr (The Good One) & Jin-Horr (The Evil One). Both were equal, yet opposite. For untold ages, since Time was non-existent, these two battled each other for supremacy. However, having equal majesty, the best they could ever do was fight to a standstill. In the final battle, the two rematched for ultimate supremacy. In this rematch, the two only ended up destroying each other in an astounding, yet appalling, tremendously immense blast of power. In the aftermath, the two had ultimately annihilated each other. But in that aftermath, there was a creation. A universe had begun expanding... Pay attention cause this is the interesting part. I, TheArranger, hereby challenge ALL religious apologists, especially the ones who advocate for Intelligent Design, and even those who believe the Big Bang and evolution arose from a supernatural deity. Prove that this tale above is not the true origin of the universe. |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 7:08am On Oct 07, 2019 |
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| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 12:00am On Oct 07, 2019 |
peggywebbs:Biitch stop ranting, sit your ass down and let me educate you. Science cannot provide complete answers to all questions. There are many matters that cannot usefully be examined in a scientific way. For instance, there are beliefs that by their very nature cannot be proven or disproven. They are unfalsifiable. Examples are your god as well as other supernatural deities. The god hypothesis is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. It is an assertion, not a fact. The only way it can become a fact is if it can be observed and tested empirically under a controlled setting using the scientific method. Also, while it may not be a fact, we also cannot yet disprove it because of our (possibly) limited senses. Admitting ignorance, thus, is the only answer. So here's a challenge for you, miss peggy, why don't you demonstrate with empirical and objective proof, the existence of Yahweh? Keep in mind that deities are supposed to be immaterial. |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 1:45am On Oct 05, 2019 |
peggywebbs:Exactly. And pls, tell us what religion has achieved? All religion does is suppress critical thinking, encourage misogyny and prejudice, as well as xenocentrism, condemn billions of people (many of whom are decent) to be damned to eternal suffering because they did not bow to a celestial tyrant. Atheists are skeptics, and as skeptics, we do not claim to know all the answers, or claim that the universe bends to our trivial desires. It is u theists dat make these arrogant & lazy claims. Atheist beliefs, contrary to what many of u bigoted r3tards believe, are pliable but only with evidence. By constantly questioning our convictions, we are cognizant that our perceptions are also subjective and distorted, that there is much to be known. Unlike you illiterate religious zombies who sit on your ass all day & believe whatever you are told without evidence. Go pound sharp sand, you ignorant, disrespectful neanderthal. 3 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 1:02am On Oct 05, 2019 |
PEGGYWEBBS Aww, do shut up please. No atheist on this thread has made any positive claim about anything. Atheism is "lack of belief" in a god or gods. Atheists do not hold the position of certainty that "god does not exist". You claim atheists are lazy but theists are the ones ready to accept any postulation without succifient objective proof to back it up while atheists withdraw belief and search for the objective facts needed to justify belief. Obviously if you had the slightest idea what atheism was, you wouldn't come here to rant and unload the specious disease in your brain concerning a subject you know nothing about. Why don't you leave discussions relating to theology for the adults to handle? You clearly don't belong here. |
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