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Christianity EtcRe: Actually, God Made Us From Food... by TheArranger(op): 9:37pm On Apr 05, 2019
Martinez39:
Holy Koolaid tinz wink
grin Big fan here. Are you subscribed too?
Christianity EtcRe: Masturbation Is Good For Christians by TheArranger(op): 9:35pm On Apr 05, 2019
budaatum:
I wonder why I'm mentioned here. Is op intending to masturbate with my bits I wonder.

I smh op!
Maybe i do so pls don't syh!
Christianity EtcGod Is Chaotic Neutral by TheArranger(op): 8:50pm On Apr 05, 2019
To be clear, this is an argument that assumes the existence of a god, and the attributes of the god are based solely on scientific observation of the observable universe. Assuming a god, here are the tentative conclusions I would draw.

1. God does not care about humans. Reason: The observable universe is vast and almost entirely hostile to human or animal life.

2. God does not have a human morality. Reason: The existence of suffering and death, particularly for humans we consider blameless like babies. The non-intervention of god in genocides.

3. God is not actively evil, or at least is hiding its evil actions. Reason: No proof of supernatural visitations of evil on earth, for examples hordes of demons, etc.

4. God is chaotic. Reason: The vast complexity of the universe, quantum mechanics, fractals, etc.

This is all a bit tongue in cheek, but hopefully creates some interesting debate. I'm an HP Lovecraft fan, so I'll add that a sleeping Cthulhu also counts as chaotic neutral, until it wakes up smiley

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IAmSabrina
Christianity EtcActually, God Made Us From Food... by TheArranger(op): 8:43pm On Apr 05, 2019
Why are we made of food?

Why did god make us edible? If god gave humans dominion over everything on earth, why are people made of food? Why are humans made of meat? Why didn’t god make us out of silicon, or metal, or something that can’t be eaten alive?

We are constantly being eaten by bacteria, parasites, mosquitoes, and for much of our history, wild animals. We were told to rule over the animal kingdom but god made us out of animal food.

Adam, the man set to rule animals, would have been made of animal food too. But why? Did god anticipate Adam’s fall and make him meaty from the get go?

If we are made in gods image, is he made of meat too? If not, why couldn’t he have done the same for us, instead of making us tasty to parasites? Being made of meat makes no sense from the perspective of a loving god.

However, it makes perfect sense from an evolutionary standpoint. We’re made of the most common elements in the universe, which we can observe being formed through nuclear fusion all around us in stars. Every living creature on earth is made of these exact materials. Every organism has DNA, and every living creature shares DNA in common. So it makes sense that we’re edible, because food is just the proteins, carbs, and fats that we’re all made of, which can be rearranged in our bodies to perform essential functions.

Plants and animals are made of the same stuff we are, that’s why we eat them. And we’re made of the same stuff they’re made out of, that’s why plants and animals eat us (although most plants don’t eat us quite the same way). Why would god make his children, his creatures that stand out above all else, made out of the same nutrition filled lion snacks as any other flesh?

Computers and robots don’t need to eat food. They don’t need to drink water, or breathe. They can withstand cold temperatures, don’t need sleep, and run on electricity. We also know computers can outperform humans in nearly every kind of calculation, and continue to improve exponentially. There’s no reason to believe that, if equipped with the right sensors and programs, it could experience thought and emotion. And, it wouldn’t be food. No wolf wants to chomp down on Wall-e, but look at him falling in love and appreciating art. Of course, that’s a silly example, but the point is, it would be entirely possible, even in our “limited human minds”, to create a being that can feel and emote without being made of meat. So why aren’t we, if we were created by something far more intelligent than us?

Martinez39

IAmSabrina

LordReed

1Sharon
Christianity EtcMasturbation Is Good For Christians by TheArranger(op): 8:33pm On Apr 05, 2019
Leviticus 15 states
if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
So you just need to take a bath and wash your clothes

Now, some Christians will be ready to quote Matthew 5:
whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
In the days before the internet, a lot of masturbation took place without pornography. Technically, it only counts as "adultery" if the woman is married. Still, a strict interpretation of Matthew 5 would apply if you're out girl-watching at the beach. And, a woman has to doll herself up, and cause men to lust after her in their hearts, if she is to have any chance of breeding. At least in the Western World, we have moved away from arranged marriages. In Saudi Arabia, where men and women are strictly separated, there is much less opportunity to look at and lust after women.

Per Matthew 19:
If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Why deny a man his pornography, if you aren't going to sell everything that you have and give the money to the poor?

An especially popular passage for Catholics is Genesis 38:
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.
The issue here wasn't the wasted sperm--it was that Onan was specifically supposed to impregnate his brother's wife, and he didn't want his brother to have any heirs. If God really did have an issue with men spilling their seed willy-nilly, then God would have said so elsewhere in the Bible, particularly in the Torah, and most particularly in Leviticus 15.

Another popular passage is 1 Corinthians 7:
It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband...Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
Paul was an asexual, but, still, the purpose of having a wife is to avoid fornication, not masturbation. And, married couples are supposed to keep at it continuously, only taking a mutually-agreed-upon break for fasting and prayer. Suppose the husband wants some, but the wife is indisposed? To prevent fornication, the wife might make another orifice available, or otherwise assist her husband with administering an ejaculation.

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Budaatum
CrimeRe: A Lady Give Thanks To God For A Successful Abortion by TheArranger(m): 10:05pm On Mar 21, 2019
Shelumiel:
...it seems you have lost all sense of what is right and wrong. Why should you be taking sides with what is morally wrong ? When an act (such as murder) is done with premeditation , then it becomes unlawful . The woman the OP presented was not in danger of any kind ,neither was she in any life threatening situation ; she is just an irresponsible woman who does not want to bear the consequences of her actions. Period
So you are saying:

1. taking human life is wrong

2. abortion is taking human life

3. abortion is wrong

I want to talk about point 2 here.

What is your definition of human life? If you say that you are in favor of the morning after pill, a fertilized egg doesnt seem to be human life.

You can use the 'morning after pill' between 0 and 6 weeks after fertilization of the egg (in the EU).

You can use other forms of abortion beginning at 6 weeks up to the 24th week(again, in the EU).

So, you say that somewhere between 6 and 24 weeks a fertilized egg becomes human life. Can you somehow pinpoint that exactly? Because this is the most important point about abortion: in most countries it is illegal to take human life, even unborn. Abortion however is not taking human life since its happening before the point at which the unborn is considered to be human.

Also, how do you feel about horrifically deformed foetuses? For example, anencephaly. Babies with this condition fail to survive, and the condition can be diagnosed with ultrasound.

Armed with that knowledge, do you truly believe that it's moral to urge a mother to continue carrying around a developing foetus inside her that she knows will die? Should she really be forced to endure labour to expel that deformed creature from her? I can only imagine the psychological trauma that would cause

IAmSabrina:
You're intelligent? Lol Please, you wouldn't know logic if it came and sat on your face grin grin grin

If i ate a bag of scrabble letters and then puked them into the toilet, the words formed would create a more well thought out and planned argument than anything you've written on this thread.

Now kindly SHIFT +DELETE yourself from my mentions, in case you didn't know, you're talking to XxSabrinaxX and if you're ready for Part 2 of this masterpiece, im down smiley

Cc. Martinez39, CreepyBlackpool, TheArranger
Martinez39:
I went to the RATIONAL THINKING HUMANS ORGANISATION and I got kicked out for mentioning Shelumiel.
The guy is a fucking dumbass ah swear
Christianity EtcRe: If Adam And Eve Were First Humans How Did Other Races Come About by TheArranger(m): 4:26pm On Mar 20, 2019
Ihedinobi3:
Adam means red.
undecided
Christianity EtcRe: If Adam And Eve Were First Humans How Did Other Races Come About by TheArranger(m): 1:54pm On Mar 20, 2019
Joromi12:
Any clueshuh Or can we say the bible story is falsehuh
To be fair, the bible didn't really specify the skin colour of Adam & Eve, so i'm not sure how to answer the question.
Christianity EtcRe: There's Nothing Wrong In Watching Porn. Change My Mind by TheArranger(m): 10:48am On Mar 17, 2019
Vic2Ree:
This answer shows that there is a certain level of dishonesty involved in recruiting new actors, and that they are subjected to a level of coercion which makes the decisions they make non-consensual.
Something to ponder on.
I also recommend Netflix's "Hot Girls Wanted" documentary that shows how the process actually works, for 18-21 years old girls getting hooked into the porn business through shady tactics.
Christianity EtcRe: There's Nothing Wrong In Watching Porn. Change My Mind by TheArranger(m): 10:31am On Mar 17, 2019
The porn industry is notoriously exploitative. They generally post ads that look like ads for normal acting jobs, because most women do not actively search out jobs in the porn industry.
https://verilymag.com/2015/08/porn-industry-playboy-mansion-sex-trafficking-belle-knox-rashida-jones-holly-madison

When you say that nothing can be morally wrong when parties consent, I would agree, with the provision that consent has to be informed. People entering the porn industry are generally not informed of what the risks are, of what they are getting themselves into.

There are also links between sex trafficking and pornography.
http://humantraffickingsearch.org/the-connection-between-sex-trafficking-and-pornography/

About 36% of porn stars were molested as children. They have high rates of drug and alcohol addiction. They are among most countries' most vulnerable and desperate citizens. Then they get suckered into a job that makes them less employable, in an industry rife with drugs and assault, and tends to warp people mentally.

I don’t think this makes pornography wrong in itself, but the way the industry is now set up is unethical. Stronger Unions and better government oversight would be good first step.
Christianity EtcRe: Please Join Me In Laughter by TheArranger(op): 2:48am On Mar 17, 2019
MrLankeeee:
No Sense in it
Martinez39 seemed to get it tho...
Christianity EtcPlease Join Me In Laughter by TheArranger(op): 2:54pm On Mar 16, 2019
An atheist dies and goes to hell...

The devil welcomes him and says:"Let me show you around a little bit." They walk through a nice park with green trees and the devil shows him a huge palace. "This is your house now, here are your keys." The man is happy and thanks the devil. The devil says:"No need to say thank you, everyone gets a nice place to live in when they come down here!"

They continue walking through the nice park, flowers everywhere, and the devil shows the atheist a garage full of beautiful cars. "These are your cars now!" and hands the man all the car keys. Again, the atheist tries to thank the devil, but he only says "Everyone down here gets some cool cars! How would you drive around without having cars?".

They walk on and the area gets even nicer. There are birds chirping, squirrels running around, kittens everywhere. They arrive at a fountain, where the most beautiful woman the atheist has ever seen sits on a bench. She looks at him and they instantly fall in love with each other. The man couldn't be any happier. The devil says "Everyone gets to have their soulmate down here, we don't want anyone to be lonely!"

As they walk on, the atheist notices a high fence. He peeks to the other side and is totally shocked. There are people in pools of lava, screaming in pain, while little devils run around and stab them with their tridents. Other devils are skinning people alive, heads are spiked, and many more terrible things are happening. A stench of sulfur is in the air.

Terrified, the man stumbles backwards, and asks the devil "What is going on there?" The devil just shrugs and says: "Those are the christians, I don't know why, but they prefer it that way".

Martinez39
LordReed
hahn
CreepyBlackpool
IamSabrina
hopefullandlord
1Sharon
Christianity EtcLol. I Can't Even, You Guys.... by TheArranger(op): 1:24am On Mar 14, 2019
Two evangelicals came to my door and told me that if evolution were real, they would be able to evolve hats atop their heads on a hot day instead of needing to purchase them. Like bruh....

I was so amused that I decided to see what else they would say, and we ended up talking for a good 20 minutes, starting with a ground-level explanation of evolutionary theory. They didn't get more insane than the hat-evolution remark though. Just seemed like ignorant, deeply misled kids doing what they were told to do.

As the conversation moved forward, I started applying my values-based communications training to the encounter with the goal of making them like me, then whipped it all around on the fellas at the end of our chat by revealing that I'm an atheist. They were astonished and said they thought atheists were all self-centered, unkind people. Then I gave the younger one of the two men, who looked no older than like 21 or 22, a copy of "The God Delusion" and said I didn't expect him to read it until he had questions of his own that his theology could not answer. He thanked me, and the older man complimented me on my attitude toward people with differing views.

In all, it felt like I made a tiny bit of difference. smiley
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 10:19am On Mar 13, 2019
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 9:49pm On Mar 12, 2019
NnennaG6:
I think you're making a big assumption about whether certain people want to exist or not.
What about suicides? I think its easier to say certain people dont want to exist than to defend a statement like its better to be than not.
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 9:48pm On Mar 12, 2019
@johnydon22 Thanks for the compliments, bro

UyiIredia:
Explain what you mean by 'attained all good ends'? How does God rhyme with that?
Isn't he "perfect and eternal"?
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 9:37pm On Mar 12, 2019
UyiIredia:
A Creator without needs I can compute with one exception. He has a need to create. Otherwise, what is He a Creator for?
God is an omni-x being first of all. Anything else follows after that. Given that he's an omni-x being, this suggests that he's perfect and eternal and has already attained all good ends. So why the need to create. Doesn't this imply dissatisfaction? If so, then God can't be perfect.
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 9:30pm On Mar 12, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Why shouldnt there be existence of judgement?
Give me a reason(s) why there shouldnt be judgement please.
If God should concern himself with punishing people who don't worship him. Doesn't it imply that he needs them to worship him?
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 9:14pm On Mar 12, 2019
Zither:
If you knew how much God has helped you, how much He has done for you, how much He loves you then how do you love Him in return, how do you appreciate all He has done for you, what do you do to acknowledge His mercy, love, and goodness towards you? That is worship — that's why we "bother" to worship.
What if i don't want to worship him? Why is there a punishment attached to not worshipping him?



Zither:
You might want to rephrase your question here as the words in bold ink have no relationship of coherence with the paragraph in plain ink.
It was a response to another user. You can see you're not the only one i quoted in my last post
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 8:41pm On Mar 12, 2019
Zither:
It depends on your definition of worship. One can worship God just by loving Him, by spending time talking with Him as Adam and Eve did in the Garden of Eden, by thanking Him for His deeds, etc... You can see that none of this is a sine qua non for His existence or soveriegnty or greatness...attrubutes connected to His omni-x nature.

If God really needed worship to exist, He wouldn't be eternal or ageless. Through science we know that the universe is over 10 billion years old while the human race is not more than two hundred thousand years old. If God needed the "oxygen" of worship to survive why did He not create the human race earlier? We don't even have any idea how much time had passed before He created the universe. That is a no-man's land for science or logic. It could be a 100 or 500 quadrillion years or more before He created the universe itself. What is certain is that His creation is a manifestation of His will which He put into effect at His pre-determined timeframe, and not more. Everything we see was called into existence at the fullness of His set time of His will, not in response to His supposed dependence on a need.
So why do we bother worshipping at all? Of what purpose is worship?



Zither:
Yes, if you created a Ferrari it is because you needed it and you would be incapacitated without it. This is why it is a creation of need. Unlike man, God is not incapacitated in the absence of His creation. In the book of Jeremiah 32:27, God asks, "I am the LORD of all flesh. Is anything too hard for me?" If I cultivated a rose garden, is it because I need the rose flower? I do it because I love roses.

In the same fashion Man is a creation of God's love, not need. His love is an act of His will. Look at God's creation and acts as an expression, rather than as a means to an end then you will have begun the journey to know Him better.
NnennaG6:
What need does a CEO have to paint a picture? Yet one might do so.

I fail to see how "for expression" could not be tied to an omni-x being as a reason for its creating. You can try to couch it in "the need for expression," but we're not going to agree that this counts as a real need and thus won't get very far.


Who said He made these beings to worship Him? Maybe He made them because, knowing them prior to their creation, He loved them (the same way an author might love his novel characters), and, knowing it is better to be than not to be, made them to be, since He loves them.


Your number 1 premise here is not fully supported. He has no need to create, sure. No reason? I disagree. Find out the explanation of love.
I think the need for expression would be our impasse then. As humans, there is evidence for this need for as far back as our origins go. Other species show this need as well. My questions would be why would an omni-x being express itself, considering how we view expression? I would accept expression for its own sake, but when inferior beings come into the question, that changes everything. The whole "its better to be than not" frankly falls flat on its face. Say that to people living on a dollar a day. Say that to people that have lived short, anguish filled lives full of pain. Say it to sex slaves, manufacturing slaves, etc. And if you both believe in the concept of Hell, love does not work in this equation.
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 6:45pm On Mar 12, 2019
Zither:
TheArranger, you did not factor the will of such being into your premises? If God had a need He wouldn't be self-sufficient now, would He?

As a being, He has a will which He manifests in creation. It is easy to confuse the manifestation of will with the satisfaction of need. The manifestation of His will is an expression of His sovereignty, greatness and individuality evidenced by His creation. The satisfaction of a need would imply His dependence on external factors, and as such that would be in contrast with His nature as a God who is before all.

In other words, His omni-x nature is not tied to need; it is tied to His will as a sovereign Being.
But he specifically wants people to worship him? Isn't that a need?

I don't know about you but if i created a Ferrari all by myself, then i'd say that i definitely needed one, for some reason.
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 5:51pm On Mar 12, 2019
ThothHermes:
I don't. Why don't you define omni-xness and show verses that show God to fit y our definition.
SMH
Based on my understanding of the word omni, it means something that is unrestricted, without limits, infinite....

As for the bible verses, here, knock yourself out
Bible verses about God's omnipotence: https://www.openbible.info/topics/gods_omnipotence
Bible verses about God's omniscience: https://www.openbible.info/topics/omniscience
Bible verses about God's omnipresence: https://www.openbible.info/topics/omnipresence
Bible verses about God's omnibenevolence: https://www.openbible.info/topics/omnibenevolence
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 5:49pm On Mar 12, 2019
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Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 5:31pm On Mar 12, 2019
ThothHermes:
Described by whom?
Can you quote from their scriptures or are you just saying what you've heard?
MuttleyLaff:
God therefore, is, "not-known-number" of person
God, then, is, x-person
and God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, infinite or infinity.

God is someone without any bound, without limit, without an end.
God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity
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@ThothHermes
As MuttleyLaff put it, God as an omni-x being is infinite in nature.
A lot of bible verses also support this assertion. I'm sure you know this.
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 4:41pm On Mar 12, 2019
ThothHermes:
Whoever said God has to be omni-xhuh
Isn't that how the gods of islam & christianity are described?
Christianity EtcRe: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op):
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Apologies if i eviscerated your moniker. I basically did copypaste from multiple threads.
Christianity EtcThe Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(op): 4:00pm On Mar 12, 2019
The creative process seems inexorably tied to needs. This process surges as a result of the need to survive, compete or for expression. (It can also happen by accident...)

An omni-x being, or God, by definition has no needs. One might argue that creating would go against his nature. From the Abrahamic standpoint, why would said beings create inferior beings to worship him?

One could attempt an argument as follows:

1. An omni-x being has no needs or reason to create anything

2. An omni-x being would simply be.

3. The universe exists.

4. Therefore, if the universe was created, the author was an entity with a need. (Or created it by accident...)

This conclusion would point to a being quite different from the omni-x God theists describe.

In fact, this omni-x God seems like a classic post hoc explanation for a reality we find difficult to explain.

What do you think?
Christianity EtcRe: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by TheArranger(m): 7:53pm On Mar 10, 2019
JujuSugar:
Based on what, sir?

I will have to disagree with your claim........

If tomorrow someone would prove that the simulation hypothesis was right , then they would also be proving that creationism is a fact.
@bolded- Its actual meaning (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis).
Christianity EtcRe: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by TheArranger(m): 7:33pm On Mar 10, 2019
shakmati:
I don't see how you did.
Sure

JujuSugar:
Not exactly, sir......

You are claiming that a simulation could come into existence on its own. ( Which is another debate ) That's not the simulation hypothesis.

Simulation hypothesis is based on some beings deliberately creating a sim.

Basically the hypothesis says " if we can build computers that can run realistic simulations , then someone else must have been able to do that too, and they may have created us, therefore we could be in a sim".
No. That is the simulation argument. Simulation hypothesis simply states that we are living in a simulation. Nothing more.
Christianity EtcRe: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by TheArranger(m): 7:06pm On Mar 10, 2019
shakmati:
Are you implying it is possible for BIV to emerge from dumb matter without external interference?
JujuSugar:
Even if we would accept that , that it was possible, its still not the simulation hypothesis .

If the simulation theory is true then creationism must be true as well.
Whathuh

You guys are implying that it would be impossible to say that nobody created us if the sim hypothesis was true and i demonstrated that is not the case.
Christianity EtcRe: The Simulation Theory May Suggest That God Exists by TheArranger(m): 6:41pm On Mar 10, 2019
JujuSugar:
So if there is no creator and no god(s) the simulation hypothesis can not be true. This is undeniable.........
I disagree with this one. If the universe is infinite, then everything that is possible to happen will happen. Then brain-in-a-vats will emerge from dumb matter. It is extremely hard for brain-in-a-vats to emerge from dumb matter, but this process will have infinite amount of time to happen.
Christianity EtcRe: You Can't Prove That God Does Not Exist..... by TheArranger(m): 10:59am On Feb 18, 2019
There have been between 2500-3000 Gods worshipped in civilization that we currently know of. Everyone to me is atheistic in some way because you choose to reject simply every other God. Yet, Gods have been proven to be merely man made creation. A form of Agent Detection that creates an ideal of survivalist beliefs in humans.

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