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finalboss:
you just wonderful

Hands down the most entertaining and hilarious atheist i've ever encountered on Nairaland . XxSabrinaxX is a gem indeed.

XxSabrinaxX:
The fine-tuning argument, of which this isn't really even a good example, has been systematically been torn apart for decades. That people find it convincing is kind of sad at this point.

NnennaG6:
Do you have any OFFICIAL, peer-reviewed, documentation?

There actually is:
1. Mark Colyvan, Jay Garfield and Graham Priest (2005) http://www.colyvan.com/papers/finetuning.pdf
2. Michael Ikeda and William H. Jefferys, "The Anthropic Principle Does Not Support Supernaturalism," ISBN 1-59102-381-5.
3. Carrier, "Neither life nor the universe appear intelligently designed" in The End of Christianity. ISBN 978-1-61614-413-5.
4. Park, Robert L. (2009). Superstition: Belief in the Age of Science.

@NnennaG6, You should probably just admit defeat and that you know very very little about this topic. You don't even know how to construct coherent logical arguments, let alone the basics of philosophy of religion, or even how to apply probability theory correctly.

You're pretty terrible at this.

NnennaG6:
That's not really a good example though. God isn't some mythological creature, it's an idea about the forces that move the universe.

God is by definition a mythological creature. There are tons of myths of creatures created to explain the forces of the universe.

NnennaG6:
God is an answer some people have come up with to a question no one knows the answer to.

"Magic Man did it" is not an answer. It's not an answer and it's not even particularly useful. The only proper answer to a question you don't know the answer to is "I don't know."

Myth121:
You can't prove that there is a god and you can't prove that there isn't.

You can say the same about leprechauns, unicorns, and Hogwarts.

Why believe in god, but not leprechauns? They have equal evidence, and leprechauns are far less extraordinary.

Finally!! We get to see evidence of God from a theist!! Let's see what this is all about . Hopefully there's no logical fallacies and it's based on rock-solid evidence.

NnennaG6:
We gather objective data in as many ways as possible

Sounds good so far!

NnennaG6:
There is no scientific evidence that God exists.

Here we go again...

Evidence is objective information that supports an idea. In other words: You just did admit that you have nothing.

NnennaG6:
The mistake atheists make, is assuming that science has no blind spots.

Horrible strawman. You have no idea how we argue.

NnennaG6:
Your whole life is lived from one perspective.

...and science as a method is literally about eliminating the errors of subjective experience. You have no objective, scientific evidence so you are only left with fuzzy feelings and anecdotes.

Not a solid basis for a whole worldview.

NnennaG6:
Your perception is your whole and only reality.

That's a claim.

NnennaG6:
Believing that others are conscious and see the world like you, is actually faith, because there is no evidence.

Lmao. Please define evidence.

NnennaG6:
I have to tell you that knowing God is the same.

Confirmation bias.

NnennaG6:
God is the name for how everything is connected.

Word salad.

NnennaG6:
Faith in God is looking at the world and realising somehow, the Universe seems to like me overall.

..which is demonstrably bullshit.

NnennaG6:
God is cause and effect

God of the gaps.

NnennaG6:
approaching God from this perspective can explain what concepts like faith, sin (evolutionarily maladaptive action), and morality (adaptive action) actually mean.

Why do I need to explain a christian concept like "sin" if the whole basis of Christianity is (as you admit) based on not a single shred of evidence and just fuzzy emotions, guesswork and confirmation bias?

NnennaG6:
I thank God that He found me

No need to thank your invisible friend. Grow up, young lady.

NnennaG6:
My eyes tell me the mountains are beautiful, though I cannot prove it to the blind.

Wrong comparison, truth claims is not the same as subjective perception.

NnennaG6:
My nose tells me the smell of flowers, though I cannot tell it in words.

We can break down the chemistry of smells. Educate yourself.

NnennaG6:
My ears tell me music is sweet, although I cannot see it.

Again, wrong comparison.

NnennaG6:
My skin tells me when it is cold, though cold is relative.

That's why we have introduced objective measurements for temperature. Come on, now.

NnennaG6:
My tongue tells me I love strawberries; though others may hate them.

*sigh* Again, wrong comparison.

NnennaG6:
My heart tells me there is a God

Hearts do not speak. They pump blood. Don't justify your superstition with your circulatory system.

NnennaG6:
and my mind tells me there is a me.

*Yawn*

NnennaG6:
Our perception is our whole reality.

Oxymoron

NnennaG6:
What can we trust but our senses?

Easy. Repeatable, empirical, objective evidence. It's called science. Educate yourself.

jesmond3945:
yes depression is not when you want to committ suicide depression is when you feel imcomplete or feel there is more to life or you have everything but still feel there is one thing more and you never find it. The Op is still searching for the truth come next year if she hasnt found it she would still call out the Op. Take for example i can doubt that buhari is my president which many people have done already like the ipob but the fact is buhari is the president of Nigeria. You now discover the more i attack the truth the more peace and love eludes me. My greatest attraction to Jesus is the peace and joy He gives me even when things are not going well. I cannot trade that peace for anything in this world. The way He makes me cry like a baby, infact crying alone in His presence is so soothing and makes you fly like a bird. Since I knew Jesus I am always happy and fulfilled. You need to go youtube and google Mr barcanetz a billionaire athiest that sold all he has when He met Jesus. Jesus said sell all you have and follow me. Why do you think deeper life members don't have TV but are still peaceful and pius. You cannot follow Jesus when you are still hung on material things. You cannot follow Jesus when you are just a sunday church goer and doing catchecism. You follow Jesus when you have a broken heart seeking Him with all your heart. Then He would give you the Holy Spirit and boom your life would change. So I am not forcing you to believe because it is a fact. An argument like i said is not profitable for a christian so if the person he is calling out still spends time arguing then he is slowly entering the trap Op has set which would even make him doubt his faith.

Can you explain to me why the happiest countries in the world are atheist countries if we're so "incomplete" without your jesus.
https://whyevolutionistrue./2018/03/20/the-2018-un-world-happiness-report-most-atheistic-and-socially-well-off-countries-are-the-happiest-while-religious-countries-are-poor-and-unhappy/

jesmond3945:
a true christian would not stoop low to argue in favour of his faith rather he allows Jesus to change the person.

I'm glad you said this. It's very simple: leave atheists alone and we'll leave you alone. Frankly, we couldn't care less about you guys. But you christians are infringing on our basic human rights. If you keep trying to shove christianity into every aspect of our lives by evangelizing for example, we're going to have to ask for evidence for your beliefs and why we should believe you. Go back to the original post. I trust you can read and understand. The burden of proof rests on the christians.

Nuff said.

jesmond3945:
Op signs of depression are written all over your post. This guy you are calling out might be sleeping soundly or reading a book but look at you dragging him into cyberspace so as to humiliate him and make yourself happy but sorry to tell you this it would sink you further to depression. There is no joy in proving whether God exists or not, Christians have passed that infact any Christian arguing about it is burning his spiritual energy when he should be sharing the love of Christ with other people. If you see the countless testimonies of what Jesus is doing in our times, do you think those people are mad or delusional, maybe but one thing is sure the peace and love they have is enough for them. For me I am a very rich man when I mean rich i take care of white people but I was depressed likewise many of you who follow the new age movement. If you lie that is not true you are in self denial and one day the chicken will come home to roost. There is no profit in argument about whether Jesus was true or not but my relationship and the peace He gives me matters to me most.

Of course you'll defend the guy and attack XxSabrinaxX because she's an atheist and the guy is a christian. Go back to the original post. The guy is a troll and a scam when it comes to debates. I've seen this guys threads and he's a complete douche. He deserved this callout and embarrasment if you ask me.

MhizAngel99:
This ElidaxZiel guy has been thoroughly destroyed lmao. Well done Sabrina. I'll be sure to watch out for this idiot in the future

Don't mind the guy lol. He was probably crying as he was typing all those laughing faces lol.

Vic2Ree:

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Lol. She burnt his ass

ElidaxZiel:
I know

But let XxsabrinaxX provide evidence that she dream

Then evidence about God existence will be given

Don't be a coward Sabrina

Lol. You're obviously the coward. Why don't u answer her question since you obviously know everything? You're a real bitch lol

ElidaxZiel:
interesting, they are running away as usual , more of like a Thief and liar running away from a police

Don't run away

Provide evidence that you dream

Or you don't dream ??

Atheist brain, are like fowl

Especially Sabrina, im sure , she also ran away from the asylum

Kindly go back, to complete your treatment

Lol. Guy change your joke. The liar/thief bs has already gotten old.

ElidaxZiel:
you are a stubborn girl
I'm not exposed because you are a liar

yes, you lie about the human cell theory , why post it as answer when you know it just a theory, I will break you into pieces tonight

trust me

You're the one they've broken already to be honest. Your head is so far buried in the sand, you don't realize your ass has been opened bare.

Finally. About time someone exposed his bitch ass

Myth121:
Then how do you explain why Israel had such low casualties??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oml3SJ0vSlk

oh yes, dr.schroeder.... i've seen his idiocy. he works hard to justify his beliefs with very weak evidence.

beyond that - i won't disparage the man here - but if we're going to discuss the hebrew people - and luck... i suppose the best place to start might be treblinka or maybe bergen-belsen?

but i digress... you have been decieved, and what passes for evidence for you is exceedingly weak.

Myth121:
I've been following the religious sections of nairaland for some time now, and I noticed dat many atheists are giggling and making jokes about God now but that is just for a moment.

People love to live in denial and they don't understand that God gave us Free Will and that's why there's evil in the world.

We know Jesus was sent to save everyone and is directly available to whomever will call on His name in time of need. The Lord sees through the denial.

There are no gods - you have been deceived.

XxSabrinaxX:
E pain am!! E pain am die!!! Look who said he's moved on!!!
LOL!! You tried to upload a gif but you failed because you're obviously not a computer literate . The only person embarrassing himself here is you. You're a dunce, your jokes are dry and you're a fagg0t. You like to watch firemen sliding down poles and your mother probably has a bigger d!ck than you . You're so gay, you wear your trousers backwards, then you leave the zipper part wide open so that your mother can screw you in the ass . Gay ass fool. Move out of your mother's house and tell her to stop paying your rent . You'll never be the man your mother is . The kinkiest sex you can ever have is missionary with the lights off

See finishing . @MrPRevailer, all is well

XxSabrinaxX:
LMAO!! . Come and see self deceit and delusion!!
HellVictorinho, Martinez19, TheArranger, budaatum, LordReed, Vic2Ree, MhizAngel99, Dantedasz, frosbel2. This clown actually thinks he won!!
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If I dont sleep this night, Its cause I'm dying of laugh LMAO!!!

He's a circus indeed . He didn't even make any point whatsoever. Never seen such a dishonest christian apologist like ElidaxZiel. Other christians argue reasonably, bringing out facts and making reasonable points. This Elidax guy said NOTHING. And he's celebrating himself that he won. Smh. He needs to be detained in an asylum

Martinez19:
XxSabrinaxX and HellVictorinho, here is a topic of ElidaxZiel titled A STRONG EVIDENCE THAT GOD EXISTS . Truly, he has no answers. Strong evidence indeed

https://www.nairaland.com/4958986/strong-evidence-god-exist

LOL. Strong evidence my ass. This ElidaxZiel guy has serious mental issues

TATIME:
I dey enjoy am!

You enjoy someone wiping her ass with you ? What is wrong with you, man? .

ROFLMAO!!! @godwinstringed1 and @TATIME. How is a small girl like @XxSabrinaxX using both of you to clean her yansh like this? LoL!!

LMAO!! XxSabrinaxX is just singlehandedly owning all these religious clowns on this thread .

XxSabrinaxX:
LOL. The can hate me all they want. Doesn't mean shit . I've heard worse things said about me from better people

Its a defence mechanism. To put down atheists when they discover they don't have the answers.

godwinstringed1:
Some Christians will just come online and be wasting time doing unnecessary arguments.
The time you used in arguing with an atheist would have been use for more edification of the inner man by the Holy Ghost.



The reason atheists have enough words in their mouth is because we Christians always have time to reply and argue with them. Atheists said there is no God which is fine by them, but we must understand that they are blinded by Satan and at the same time fulfilling Bible prophecies.


Atheism will remain silent like the cemetery if those that serve the Living God who is the Lord Jesus Christ pays no single attention to their arguments.
As Christians you don't owe atheists arguments or proves of anything but PRAYER. Convert argumentative energy into prayer energy and see how the Holy Spirit will convict them of sin, righteousness and judgement.
But on the other hand we Christians insults the Atheists alot which is not good. We should learn to pay evil with good.

Thanks.

Translation: I don't have the intelligence to defend my beliefs

Such a dumbass

Mobilia:
Sir, you asked a question.
My apologies that you didn't truly want an honest answer.
Hypothetically, still means a "what if", and in this case, I was saying that it "hypothetically" would not be true.
By the way, I am a woman....
Be blessed

Sorry, wasn't really paying attention to your moniker.
Doesn't change the fact that you woefully failed the question though. I'm presenting an hypothetical situation. You just went ahead to set another question for yourself and answer it. SMH

Mobilia:
Interesting question (if sincerely asked).
John 1:1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Hebrews 11:1 King (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hebrews 11:6 (KJV)
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

For me, it has to start with these (4) scripture verses.

If I read those scriptures, and don't believe any of them, then I can't really go further.

If one is raised in a particular religion, they may have to accept that religion as "truth" while under the parent or guardian's tuttelage..without having any real knowledge, conviction or faith.

I happened to be raised in the Christian faith..andit happens to be all that I know.
I, however did not develop a personal relationship with the Lord UNTIL I became a young adult. My desire and awakening hit me then.
I wanted to know truly "who" this God was and how He was supposed to fit into my life.
So I began "searching"... and guess what?
I found Him..I developed a relationship with Him...

This (extremely popular, if not most popular)scripture became more and more real to me by faith.
John 3:16 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I questioned..I doubted...I prayed..AND then...HE answered through His Word, through circumstances, through people, through nature etc.
All of that helped to contribute to strengthening my faith in the Lord.
Sincere relationships build trust and faith...
The evidences were sooo undeniably plain....that "only" could I attribute them to the Lord.
And this is all by "faith"...since I haven't personally seen God in the flesh.
But one has to "want" it....sincerely.
Yes, people can be wrong about their faith...
And guess what? All roads don't lead to the complete truth...and many will be disappointed (I had to even look up who "Annubis" was).
But see, doing that even made my faith in Jesus Christ, even more solid...and I don't doubt it one second that He is the only way will be waiting for me..when I enter my rest.

Dude, ever heard of an hypothetical question?

Vulcanheph:
According to Egyptian myth Anubis the God of the dead and underworld actually uses a scale to measure your heart against a feather during judgement ....if your heart is pure and good it will be lighter than the feather and you will be in with the gods in paradise. It's almost the same thing with Christianity.
Also some religious conspiracy theorist claim that Christianity is actually a modernized version of Egyptian religion, most of the gods bear similarities with people in the New Testament bible.
Horus -Jesus
Isis-Mary
Osiris-God
Set-Devil etc

Its not a claim though. Egyptian religion IS older than christianity. I don't have any link to show you right now, but its true.

luvmijeje:
Who's Anubis?

An Egyptian deity.

XxSabrinaxX:
Joblessness . Grown ass man like you. Keep trolling. I don't even have your time .

Ignore the guy. He's an obvious troll

XxSabrinaxX:
LMAO
Yes. I am actually an agent of the devil. I want to come and mislead people from christianity because I hate God. Its not like I'm just a human being who's just trying to reconcile religion with rationality.
Do you remember me mentioning you in this thread? Cos I don't.
Please if this is how some of you christians let their God bias overwhelm them, and refuse to engage in logical discussions, then I'm officially done creating topics on NL lol. I'm done

Christians and their close mindedness can literally break you

luvmijeje:
It doesn't matter. As long as you are happy serving him while on earth.

Ok.
But what will you say to Anubis?

MrPresident1:
Your father stupid

That's your business. You said the questions are stupid, so answer them