Apatheist: If only Christians were more like this and less like Ola.Adegbu

Ola.adegbu, our resident evangelist creationist

AlfaSeltzer: This is the kind of story that makes me despair for humanity.

In the animal kingdom, there are no disabled beings. If you are inadequate, you terminate and life goes on. If humans continue on this trend of nurturing inadequateness, the monkeys will actually take over one day.

Don't play with evolution. It's real.

Hitler believed the same nonsense you just said.


Freaking satanist

macsika: Wow good... I might agree with some of them but as for the big bang theory, even if I'm tied with a nuclear bomb and thrown into the pacific ocean, I will never believe that bullcrab story.


The big bang theory and Evolution, none accurately and comprehensively explains the Origin of Man and water, not animals, I mean man and water. Especially the concept of life and death, how was the first man formed and why are others not formed that way. All those rubb!sh archaelogical stories of Australopithecus, Homo habilis,Homo Erectus mumbo-Jumbo.


Creationism has a much better explaination. God created the Universe, and everything in it.

Bloody creatard.

PastorOluT: @Logicboy, Many Christians live (the life Christ) like that, in fact it is her faith that makes her do that.

Have u for ones study the life of Christ in the bible? Forget whatever any so called Christians might be portraying.

Very few christians are truly good.

Front page if possible, please

https://www.nairaland.com/1878359/how-christians-faith-shook-atheist


We need more positivity with this current environment (boko boys, ebola, etc)

FrancisTony

You need to see this...haha...


https://www.nairaland.com/1878359/how-christians-faith-shook-atheist

Apatheist: Not all atheists accept the Big Bang Theory.
Most are fine with saying "I don't know"

Seconded

mmsen:

Religious bigotry is more acceptable in some places than others - where you have gross inequality and minimal state involvement in the reduction of said inequality, bigotry usually follows.

This is why you can be a religious bigot in a Nigeria or Texas but not so much in northern Europe.

#True talk.

Please, read this story

Mr. Naijaatheist:
I usually sigh when people mention God as the reason for doing something. Yes, I am an atheist and I do not believe in God.
However, I want to tell you about a woman whose faith made me have hope for humanity. You see, in Nigeria, we have very few places that can care for the educational needs for special needs (blind, down syndrome etc) children. However, there is this place in Nigeria where such children are given the adequate schooling they need.

This centre for special needs children is managed by a woman who is a devout christian. I was chanced to meet her when a friend who is a parent of a special child asked me to drop him at the centre. The woman welcomed us both into the centre and then shared a meal with us. The woman then took us on a tour. She explained that some parents can not afford to pay for the services but she still accepts some children in for free. She showed us how they use special classes with objects and games because visual learning is the best way for the children to learn.

The most interesting thing about the centre is that the woman accepts all children- christian, muslim, pagan. The woman even explained that she hates it when people maltreat disabled children. There was even a child who came from a shrine- the child was used in the shrine to scare people from not obeying the herbalist. Can you imagine? The herbalist was using the child to say "if you disobey my instructions, my juju will cripple you!"
Yet, this woman still took the child in and still maintains a cordial relationship with the parents (who are pagans). The parents were reluctant at first but she showed how many special needs children actually make progress from her centre.

This woman is a devout christian who spent her wealth helping young children. She doesnt ask what religion a person is from, all she asks is how she can help. Even though I do not believe that God is working through her as she claims, I can see good in her. I wish all christians could be like this woman.

rationalmind: Has anybody noticed Ubenedictus is one of the most intelligent christians on nairaland? Probably more intelligent than Anony.

Kudos bro, I always enjoy reading your posts even if I don't agree with all.

And who made you the decider of intelligence


On an honest level though, catholics on average are smarter than pentecostal/evangelist christians

AlBaqir:

@underlined! Slave mentality. Why western people say? Victors are not only the conquers of history!

There might be victory in defeat for a right course. And there might be defeat in victory!

I wonder how an Atheist wanna understand Quran
"This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun"

I'm a slave to no one.

The verse you quoted says that there is no doubt in the Quran's guidance.


Erm, doubt is the cornerstone of common-sense. What is belief without doubt?

texanomaly:

Then why are you always here, and why are you always crying that Atheists don't have their own chat thread and a mod in religion section?

Example of arrogance.


You know that atheism doesnt fit the definition of religion but your christian bias wont let you accept the facts as stated by an atheist.


1) An atheist section is what we asked for actually. We were given a chatbox instead that started out with an insult on all non-theists

2) Having an atheist mod or chatbox does not mean atheism is a religion. That is quite a silly thing to think

texanomaly:


Ok. You asked so let's define arrogant...

...having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

Now, if we go by your description of Christians above, I have to answer no. Christians are not arrogant. Christians don't believe they, themselves possess any power. They believe the power lies in Christ.

IRONY= Jesus was killed for being arrogant. He was killed for calling himself the messiah.

tbaba1234:

A summary:

Truly We have opened up a path to clear triumph for you [Prophet], (Surah 48:1)


Alright, so in azhab, the quraish gathered tribes in arabia to fight against the muslim... the only thing saving the muslims from complete anahiliation was a trench which ensured that the calvary could not pass with their horses.

On the other hand, banu qurayda was within the city from the side, colluding with enemies to attack the muslims from the other side...

Allah describes this situation as one of extreme fear.

They massed against you from above and below; your eyes rolled [with fear], your hearts rose into your throats, and you thought [ill] thoughts of God. There the believers were sorely tested and deeply shaken: (Surah azhaab: 10-11)

The quraish camped outside medina, it was only a matter of time that the muslims will run out of food supplies and have to surrender... Allah sent winds that destroyed the camp of the tribes that they had no choice but to abandon the mission.

Six months later,
The prophet has a dream that they were performing the rites of umrah peacefully..
He tells his companions and they head towards mecca to perform umrah with no weapons...

Imagine this, a few months ago, these guys were just coming to destroy you. Now you are going straight into the lion's den
You are going there with no weapons
Just the small knife used to sacrifice the animal.
No shields, no swords.. nothing
The quraish got wind of this and sent khalid bin waleed with about 200 horsemen to intercept them.
The prophet heard of this and changed course. Either way, they got to hudaybiya..
Uthman (RA) was sent to the quraish
He was held back, rumour begins to spread that he has been killed...
The prophet hears this, he is enraged. He gets the sahaba ready to fight. They make the oath under the tree. Remember these men had only a small knife to fight.. Now these men are enraged and primed for war.
So they have gone through extreme emotions,
Extreme fear, extreme anger, extreme courage..


Eventually, they find out that uthman was not killed.. the peace treaty, was agreed by the messenger which seemed to go against the muslims.

Imagine the muslims just spent weeks walking from Medina to Mecca, without doing what they were intended to do.

Imagine, you are going to hajj after all the preparation and immediately, you get to Mecca, you are told to turn back.

Not only that, the messenger agreed to what seemed like demeaning conditions to the muslims.

Now you have a mob scenario... lots of angry, frustrated young men, the crowd is in a frenzy.. imagine you shoot into the air, and a crowd begins to run in all directions, If you scream stop!!! are they likely to stop??

Unlikely

The Messenger asks the crowd to remove their ihram, and there is no response.. He goes into his tent and his wife essentially tells him to lead by example ..

As he does this, the crowd follows him....

Allah calls this hudaybiya: clear evident victory...
What does Allah mean by this??

The primary victory at hudaybiya was of the hearts, inspite of the extreme levels of anger and frustration that was felt, they still followed the instruction of the messenger.

Inspite, of the extreme levels of vulnerability, they still took an oath to stand and fight with him.

The real victory was that of the heart.

Today, muslim face similar frustrations around the world. Our real victory comes by obeying Allah and his Messenger regardless of how angry, we may feel about the conditions of the muslims....

Secondarily, the treaty eventually led to the capture of Mecca..

However, capture of land in the quran is usually seen as a lesser victory.. The real victory is of the hearts..

That is the challenge for muslims today. Discipline to follow Allah's instructions inspite of our emotions..

Kai......see whitewashed history.


Western people say "history is the version that the powerful/victors want you to hear"

justaqad:

My friend u are clearly wrong....
When you are devoid of sentiments we could talk

Prove him wrong.

Hkana:

I thought "Islamic economics" referred to an economic system based on Islamic principles?


PS: I'm not a graduate of Economics though #Layman

That is the issue- islamic principles only deal with a small part of finance. There are no islamic principles that relate to 99% of an economy

Tovot: There was a professor of philosophy who was a deeply committed atheist. His primary goal for one required class was to spend the entire semester proving that God couldn't exist. His students were always afraid to argue with him because of his impeccable logic. Sure, some had argued in class at times, but no one had ever really gone against him because of his reputation. At the end of every semester on the last day, he would say to his class of 300 students, "If there is anyone here who still believes in God, stand up!"
In twenty years, no one had ever stood up. They knew what he was going to do next. He would say, "Because anyone who believes in God is a fool. If God existed, he could stop this piece of chalk from breaking when it hit the ground. Such a simple task to prove that He is God, and yet He can't do it."
And every year, he would drop the chalk onto the tile floor of the classroom, and it would shatter into a hundred pieces. All of the students would do nothing but stop and stare. Most of the students thought that God couldn't exist. Certainly, a number of Christians had slipped through, but for 20 years, they had been too afraid to stand up.
Well, a few years ago there was a freshman who happened to enroll. He was a Christian and had heard the stories about his professor. He was required to take the class for his major, and he was afraid. But for three months that semester, he prayed every morning that he would have the courage to stand up no matter what the professor said or what the class thought. Nothing they said could ever shatter his faith...he hoped.
Finally, the day came. The professor said, "If there is anyone here who still believes in God, stand up!" The professor and the class of 300 people looked at him, shocked, as he stood up at the back of the classroom.
The professor shouted, "You FOOL!!! If God existed, he would keep this piece of chalk from breaking when it hit the ground!"
He proceeded to drop the chalk, but as he did, it slipped out of his fingers, off his shirt cuff, onto the pleat of his pants, down his leg, and off his shoe. As it hit the ground, it simply rolled away unbroken. The professor's jaw dropped as he stared at the chalk. He looked up at the young man and then ran out of the lecture hall.
The young man who had stood proceeded to walk to the front of the room and shared his faith in Jesus for the next half hour. 300 students stayed and listened as he told of God's love for them and of His power through Jesus CHRIST.

This fake story again?

So, the story concedes that the professor couldnt be logically challenged when it came to proving the existence of God as he would defeat anyone that tried to prove that there is a God.



If you throw a coin a million times, there is a slim chance that it would not land on heads or tails but on its middle. Figure it out

Ubenedictus:

i must say i have never seen anyone who is as liberal as you described...if there were such i'll really like to ask them, "if all is relative, why do you even believe your particular holy book and not the other one?".

Sorry, but i think it is hard to be a real relativist and be a christian or a muslim...maybe a budist.

Ask Pastor AIO and Texanomaly about their christian views.


The typical british christian is a liberal one.


But you are a typical Nigerian christian....meaning that you are a conservative bigot. Sorry

Ubenedictus:

this only allows me expand the discussion.

From what i see...the arrogance isn't neccessarily about religion, it comes from the "supposed" certainty of having the "truth", and the ability to spot the supposed errors!

Or do you think this is limited to just christains or religious people?

Christians and muslims are certain about things they cant possibly prove-
-that there is an afterlife; either heaven or hell
-that there is some God sitting in heaven

There is arrogance/intolerance that is common to everyone......and there is arrogance/intolerance that comes specially from the exclusivity from religion

FrancisTony:


Okay. Thanks.


I am thinking about the bolded(s) with Industrial Chemistry. Anyone I get sha.

My boy goes to school....so emotional!!

Make daddy proud!

usermane:
There are non interest banks in their country. Something tells me that i need to be schooled on this. What would drive the government of an anti riba masses to invest in riba banks?

They know that islamic finance can not give them the profits they need

RikoduoSennin:

If the bolded is true, what then can be said about Atheism and Agnosticism. They too as much as anybody else manifest these two traits as well as others. Arrogance, intolerance, Pride, haughtiness etc you name it!

It is wrong to believe/Conclude this traits are heightened because of religion. They are in all of us but some religion like christianity helps its members to control/get rid of those traits not the other way around.

Atheism is not a religion and neither is agnosticism.

usermane:

Pls can you shed light on this? Doesn't the Gulf countries all forbid even the slightest interest?

First of all, OPEC increases the price of oil as they like.


Secondly, many of these islamic countries have money and currency deposits in Western Banks that yield interest

vedaxcool:
GBAM! He does not even know there was such a thing as Roman economy!

Roman economy??


Lmao

This one has no idea what he is talking about. When they talk about "economy" in terms of romans, historians are using it in layman's terms to explain how resources were managed in the roman empire. They did not have an "economy" per se

The first recorded sense of the word "economy" is in the phrase "the management of œconomic affairs", found in a work possibly composed in a monastery in 1440

. "Economy" is later recorded in more general senses, including "thrift" and "administration".
The most frequently used current sense, denoting "the economic system of a country or an area", seems not to have developed until the 19th or 20th century.

Sissie:

@Their religion or their perspective of the religion or is it not your religion? Or is the "their religion" isn't islam?

So compound interest is the only related matter in the Quran? So usury (measurement) , Zakat (tax) etc isn't mentioned this isn't part of economics?

Theirs is a difference between economic systems and economics.
Economic system is a branch of economics, just like finance

I can't be bothered to correct big urban on that as he's not an intellectual par for me to argue with, and even if I use a layman explanation for him he still won't understand it.

lmao......see frustration!!! zakat, riba = economics? lol


And now, you are indirectly accepting that there is no economic model/system in the Quran.


The difference between economics and an economic system is marginal because an economic system (Capitalism/socialism) contains ALL ECONOMIC INDICES OR ECONOMICS TERMINOLOGY.


I just dey laugh!!

usermane:

You know when those two talk of Islam, they actually refer to their religion which is heavily based on oral traditions ascribed to the Prophet, the so called biographies of the Prophet, Quranic exegesis, teachings and practiced of their ancient and revered clergymen.

By Islam, i mean the Quran and no there is no such thing as Islamic economics although an economic related matter like compound interest is mentioned.

Thank you. Short simple and precise.


Salaam

mazaje:

This man has lost it. . . . . .I thought I was the only one that could not make sent of his gibberish up there, not until i saw this. . .

I have given up on arguing with him. He needs tutelage from Pagan9ja on his spirituality

golpen:

then why do you want to kill yourself?

Did you think before asking this question?

#Yawn

hehe.


good for you