manmustwac: The Christian should have pŕayed for God to save his soul or better still pray to this God to strike him down himself. The fact that he has to threaten his life with his own actions proves that God is impotent, can't do anything, therefore according to us atheists don't exist

The christian swore by God that he/she would deal with me in London.


God didnt tell the ediot that I had relocated long ago....

Empiree:

@bold got me

Well, there is no "minimum wage" in Islam. Instead you bargain. You pay people what they worth . If you own a real property and you rent or sell it. Islam maintains that it must be at market value. It is reported in Hadith (paraphrase)where in the time of the prophet(saw), a man or woman sells his or her goods below market value in other to make "quick sales", upon hearing this, prophet(saw) quickly advised him (or her) to raise the price. This subject is linked with riba (usury). Another hadith talks about Bilal (ra) selling his inferior dates in exchange for quality dates. Upon hearing this, prophet(saw) warned him about possibility of engaging usury. The thing is Quran and Hadith are guiding lights. Some things are legislated and do not change. Some are left with authority (muslim leader). There are lengthy ahadith I cant possibly type them all here. Example...

Moral Conduct in Entrepreneurship

“And measure full when you measure. And weigh with an even balance. This is better and its end is good.” [Al-Bani-Israel: 35].

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: “The seller and the buyer have the right to keep or return the goods as long as they have not parted or till they part; and if both the parties spoke the truth and described the defects and qualities [of the goods], then they would be blessed in their transaction, and if they told lies or hid something, then the blessings of their transaction would be lost.” (Bukhari, No: 1937)

It was reported that during Ottoman empire, they used to have "market police" who oversaw and enforced prices in the free and fair market. The thing is Islam economy policies are usually linked with riba. Troll these links see if you can benefit one or two things. Please go through the last link as well. Link #1 sure have Quranic verses and ahadith on economy and shariah compliant investment. There are lots of talks on Islam and economics, Islam and international monetary system and so fourth in the last link.

1- http://islamiceconomicsproject./islamic-economics-in-quran-hadith/
2- http://www.onislam.net/english/shariah/hadith/this-hadith/437206.html
3- http://www.albalagh.net/Islamic_economics/finance.shtml#Top
https://www.youtube.com/user/SheikhImranHosein/videos

Thanks for showing me how you have nothing on economics in islam.

We can all see that you didnt even put one single quote from your Quran to back your points up.



I checked your links- nothing on import and export. Nothing on balance of payment. Nothing on corporate tax. Nothing on mortgage. Nothing on national budget.


All you and your links have talked about are simple market trading ethics that can only guide the level of beansellers. "Dont charge interest", "sell at a fair price", "zakat" and "Jizya tax"




And how can there not be a minimum wage? Who told you that bargaining is always fair? If mcdonalds were allowed to bargain wages, they would be paying employees far less than the minimum wage.





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IN SHORT,
THERE IS NO IMPORT OR EXPORT IN THE QURAN
NO BALANCE OF PAYMENT
NO BUDGET SURPLUS OR DEFICIT
NO CONCEPT OF INSURANCE
NO MORTGAGE
NO INFLATION OR DEFLATION OF CURRENCY
NO GDP



AND YET, SOME PEOPLE ARE TELLING ME THAT THERE IS ISLAMIC ECONOMICS


#SCHOOLED
#DEBUNKED
#TEAM-ABDULSLEEK
#MACLATUNJI-BAN-ME-NOW

Sissie:

Sissie complaining on female issues in Islam? go back and read again this time read it slowly.
So you read some Muslimahs post complaining means I also complained? Is your comprehension skills that low?

Move aside. You have nothing to offer.

Sissie:

You are hilarious.
School me bwahahaha

Like I said you are a noise maker.

lol......


Weren't you and some other muslimahs complaining about female issues in islam?

See this learner. Dont let me school you again. mtchew

I want to know how usermane does it.


So far, I have been called an ediot and a noise maker.

All because I said that I studied islam and another person said that my views on islam are interesting

Sissie:

Like I said your a noise maker. If you were smart eevn fi I rwtoe kile sith you would have understood it.

Now let me explain my grammar as its above your grade.

I clearly stated I
tried having a discussion about Islam with the big urban, it wasn't even about beliefs but finance, capitalism etc

I tried having a discussion ABOUT ISLAM now another poster may assume it was about beliefs as you are an atheist, so I stated clearly it wasn't about beliefs but finance and capitalism.
I exaggerated your ability to understand, that's why I didn't need to clearly type Islamic finance, just as I didn't need to type Islamic Beliefs since I already said it was a discussion ABOUT ISLAM. This obviously means, I tried having a discussion about finance and capitalism within the Islamic context.

#YAWN.

Empiree:

No, you need to be schooled. And you claimed to have studied Islam?. bro, go back to school

School me with facts then.


Where are the economic policies in the Quran or hadith?

Or you think Jizya tax and zakat run an economy? lol



What does the Quran/hadith say about import/exports? What about minimum wage and capital gains? What about corporations- are corporations define in the Quran?

Abcruz:
“Coughlin [of the Los Angeles tabloid
Illustrated Daily News, in hot pursuit of
asking Einstein a provocative,
headline-inducing question] found the
right moment while tailing the car that
was speeding the couple [the Einstein] north on the coast road to Pasadena .
It had stopped to let Einstein stroll
over to a small headland known as
Sunset Cliffs, where he stood gazing at
the sea and sky.
Seizing the moment, Coughlin leaped from his car, the question on his lips,
followed by Spang, his camera at the
ready. “Doctor”, Coughlin said, “is
there a God?” Einstein stared at the
water’s edge some twenty feet below,
then turned to his questioner. Coughlin later wrote: “There were
tears in his eyes, and he was sniffing.
Spang shot the picture as Einstein was
hustled away before he could answer
me. “Well,” I said, “the way he reacted,
he believes in God. Did you ever see such an emotional face?” ~Einstein: A life, Denis Brain p.206

ARE U WISER THAN THE PIONEERS OF SCIENCE?

Where is the proof of this God

Sissie:


You were arguing about Islamic finance and capitalism.
And I told you you it was islamic economic system and capitalism, as islamic finance is a part of Islamic economic system. Capitalism is an economic system, the system as a whole which finance is a part of. And turned out you knew close to nothing about Islamic economic system but still felt you knew enough about finance to argue it with me, which makes you a noise maker. Is it clear now?

And you post asking me if we were not talking about islamic finance? I obviously stated that in the previous post.

There is no such thing as an islamic economic system.

Where does the Quran/Hadith talk about macroeconomic policies or demand/supply or balance of payments or means of production or capital vs labour? The whole idea of economics and countries started a thousand years after islam was founded....so how can there be islamic economics?

There is only islamic finance.

#I just schooled you on islam

Sissie:


Dodge!!!!!
Let me come down to your level.
I said we were talking about Islam but not about beliefs but finance and capitalism.

You were arguing about Islamic finance and capitalism.
And I told you you it was islamic economic system and capitalism, as islamic finance is a part of Islamic economic system. Capitalism is an economic system, the system as a whole which finance is a part of. And turned out you knew close to nothing about Islamic economic system but still felt you knew enough about finance to argue it with me, which makes you a noise maker. Is it clear now?

And you post asking me if we were not talking about islamic finance? I obviously stated that in the previous post.

You are the one that does not know how to properly arrange grammar to convey a clear message (rather than me being the one that misunderstood). Effect of too much Arabic, huh?


Reread your sentence;

Sissie:
The last time I tried having a discussion about Islam with the big urban, it wasn't even about beliefs but finance, capitalism etc.

From the way the sentence is structured, does it look like you were talking about islam with me?

Rilwayne001:

You studied islam to bash islam, which you have been displaying all around here on Nairaland..

Am sorry if you are pained by my comment...

i won't repeat it again..

That is your opinion. What annoyed me is that Maclatunji will not hide an abusive muslim's comment.

The fact remains that I know your religion more than you. Ask about abdulsleek.

Abraham2013: Only a fool will look up to d sky, down d ocean and say dere is no God.

Only a fool would look up to the sky and down in the ocean and claim that there is a supernatural being there

Sissie:

Chei you can't even read and comprehend well.

Nice dodge

Sissie:

Commendable understanding!!!!!!!!! I find this soo hilarious

The last time I tried having a discussion about Islam with the big urban, it wasn't even about beliefs but finance, capitalism etc. Was when I observed the big urban is more of a noise maker. And you find him commendable. hilarious.


I appreciate his obsession with Islam though.

Because sharia law doesnt deal with finance abi?

Were we not talking about islamic finance?


People can lie....kai!!!!

Rilwayne001:

e-di*t

I am an ediot for studying islam?


Excuse me, did the other muslims on this thread miss Rilwayne's comment? No one could correct him?

Abcruz: The science that u atheist brag about tell us what u have contributed..? Absolutey nothing... But As a matter of fact ALBERT EINSTEIN the great physicist having contributed tremendously to the growth of science made an aphorism: "SCIENCE WITHOUT GOD IS LAME"..

Einstein was a deist. He rejected the christian God
Darwin was an agnostic
Dawkins is an atheist

FOLYKAZE:

the mane of my boss is rose. . . .she ugly die.

Rose is a tag, doesnt exist.

Put down the weed

FOLYKAZE:

Get back to your cave. . . . .you lost a feet by your sword.

God can be a title to tangible being. . . .admired, adored or revered person/natural entity. Therefore it exist.

A title doesnt exist.

A rose by any other name is still beautiful

FOLYKAZE:

Coward

there is a being called God. . . .twins, heroes, admired, adored person, art gallery, and natural entities. They can be touch, seen and smell. . . . . .

When you believe in president as tangible being, what happenes to God as tangible being?

Go home. You have been debunked.

hotwax:

There is no point arguing with thick brained baboon.
I have made my point. You cant delete my posts. It may be too difficult to understand for you.

In science, we have something called Logic. Its

We talk about core atheist.

Tom Cruise - and Atheist - He believes ETL exists
Stephen Hawkin - One of the greatest Scientist
Charlse Dawin
Carmen Argiba



There is course called "Logic" Its a course in the University. When you get there, you will have it too.

There is difference between:

There is no God and "There are possibilities of alien life form"

Before you decide to use the world "Possible" you have to agree on some premises. You will need to compromise and shift ground.

In the statement "There is no God". No room for compromise. The conclusion is closed and brick-walled.

In the statement "There are possibilities of alien life form" . There are elements of uncertainty, ground shifting.

Why am I arguing with you? There is no point. It just a waste of time.

Why I am trying to educate you is because: Nairaland is general social utility. Foreigners are using the site. I dont want foreigners to see Nigerians as Numskull you are trying to prove we are.

Tom Cruise is a scientologist and not an atheist
Charles Darwin was a biologist and not an astrophysicist



It is possible that there are aliens but that doesnt mean I believe in aliens,


Please, shelve your ignorance

jdilight: One day as I got up to go out to see some clients, I heard a voice that said pick up your bible and read. I glanced at the bible on mine bed turn to go but the voice insisted so I took mine bible, opened it. It opened around Ezekiel or there about after reading the first page, there was nothing inspiring about it. I just closed it as I was about to drop it the voice said open the bible again. Now I opened John 20 and I got the message in verse one. "... before Mary got to Jesus grave, the stone was rolled away".

I knew God has rolled away a great stone for me. With that excitement I went out, but when I returned there was nothing go about mine going out except that I was too tire to do anything. Before I slept the news came that the person heading me in the office has been sacked and that I should report the next morning to head the department.

This was a spiritual intervention. For me there are many like that. Things don't happen to me since I came to know God without God letting me know in advance.

God sacked a person and destroyed his livelihood just so he can bless you with a bigger job.

smh

FOLYKAZE:

Just like the title 'president'. . . .does not have tangible existence. In short nothing exist. Does that mean we do not have preseident existing?

There is a being called the president- . A being that has a tangible existence as a man. A man that exists- we can see, touch, smell, hear the man

There is a supposed being called "God"- A being that no one has seen or felt.

hotwax:

SHut the fck up kid.

Listen for your own good and stop dramatizing your blatant illiteracy.

Stephen Hawking is one of the greatest atheist and scientist in the world. He wrote some Journals on ETLF.

Mainstream atheist believe there are aliens. It christians and muslims clergies that don't want the world t know there are aliens.

Alien is an insult to bible and Quran. Thats why world powers dont want you to believe ETL exists. Its scientist and Athiests that are promoting the idea.

So Mr. Wannabe Athiest, you need to read wide in your quest to become an Athiest. For now, you are just coming up with the idea. You are not yet an athiest.

The Athiests I know are extremely knowledgeable. You are in insult to Atheist.

Seriously, I dont hate Athiest, but rather, I respect them. They are good researchers. The world actually need them. Above all, I still believe in GOD as the creator of Proton, Neutron

There is no such thing as "mainstream atheists"


The only thing that joins all atheists together is a disbelief in God.



No reputable scientist will tell you that he or she believes in aliens...they only say that it is a possibility given how large the universe is and how there are "earth-like" planets.




You sir, are an ignorant mofo

FOLYKAZE:


God is a name or simply label.

Now tell me how logic boy or other name like God does not exist . . . . .

Then God has no tangible existence just as the title "logicboy".

Gameover.

FOLYKAZE:

Mazaje, hope you are seeing this?

God is nature. . . .is there no evidence for nature?

Mother earth is a goddess that represent nature. . . .is there no evidence for nature?

Now I believe atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.

Your stupidity is alarming. . . . .

Let me mirror your foolish argument

The pink Unicorn is nature.......is there no evidence for nature?



Saying God is nature is a lazy man's argument. What is God?

We can define nature independently of God ie without God.

However, you cant define God without nature. God has no objective existence

hotwax:

SO alliens are in the same categories as faires. I thought every atheists believe in Alien.

What type of nonentity atheist are you? May be you are a learner. Or just a confused retard.

You are not sure what atheists believe in or dont believe in, yet you are calling someone confused/learner


Shut up

FOLYKAZE:

Good Monday morning. . . . .

We are saying the same thing. . . .but it seem you are doing everything to avoid a crucial point here which is 'God'. Case of definition is exceptional. Atheist who disbelieve in God is confused. . . . .this is when God is defined. That is the whole point which you have been avoiding.

God under pantheism has meaning. . . .it is simply DIVINITY. It has role and attributes. . . .I have shown you Iyale in Yoruba and referenced you to wiki where Mother Earth is been defined with her role. I seriously do not know what else you are looking for.

Paganism is practically nature worship. . . . .deity worship here is pantheistic, bringing us to scientific or naturalistic pantheism. So it like saying naturalistic pantheism is the same thing as nature worship or paganism. This is the bell I, macof and pagan9ja have been ringing into your ears. When God is mentioned in paganism, we are not referring to some imaginary beings but natural entities. You cant fuse pantheism into pagainsm. . .it essentially constitute part of pagan system. Being a pagan is naturalistic or scientific pantheism. . . . . .which God/god in it system you can not disbelieve in.


Th questions you asked are irrational. It has nothing to do with being God. This is some of the fictional attachment you tag to the imaginary being you created out of your brain for the purpose of disbelieve.

God could mean different thing to different people. It pains me that someone like you could be beaten blue with A concept of God. . . .do you mind if I bring in branches of this concept like Panpsychism. Here everything is conscious and God, meaning consciousness is define as God. Would you throw those your incoherent questions to consciousness too? In Egypt, kings are refer to as god, would you throw those unthoughtful questions about this God who is a king?

If you can believe in God (pantheist concept), then you are no more an atheist. . . . .

This is my point exactly.

Pantheist, Deist, polytheist.....whatever the God, there is no evidence for it.

You are just throwing big words and obfuscating.

RikoduoSennin:

A good question, a real Atheist can answer that for real. When you ask them (an Atheist) how did you become an atheist? Or how did you discover atheism? The honest answers to these questions reveal a "set of followed beliefs/practices/Particular interest or influence (science and philosophy) that is very important to their life. In the Science world, Atheism exist among close nit group of people who encourage others drop their own beliefs(other religion) for that of atheism back with scientific skeptism. In Nairaland, you mostly find atheism discussion where?- Religious section, where they try to convert persons to their beliefs and line of "Faith", Faith in Science and worldly reasonings/philosophy.

So atheism is now a religion of faith in science and worldly reasoning/philosophy?

With that, you have proven atheism is a religion?


1) No one has faith in science. People (both christians, muslims, pagans, atheists) study science. People accept scientific facts
2) Most Nairaland atheists are not even in the religion section, as we have found out. We find numerous atheists on the front page that are not regulars in the religion section.


3) Saying that atheism is religion of faith in worldly philosophy is an extremely fallacious thing to say. "Philosophy" is a very wide-ranging word. What the hell do you mean by "worldly" philosophy?
-Isnt it your christian pastors preaching material prosperity gospel?
-Dont christians apply the worldly philosophy of reaping and sowing?

In fact, religion is a philosophy itself...so when you say "atheism is religion of faith in worldly philosophy"....you are redundantly saying "atheism is a philosophy of faith in worldly philosophy"


I find you dishonesty and ignorance seriously disgusting

OP.


You are wrong. Failed thread.

Threats wont make anyone accept your god

BraveGuy: It never ceases to amaze me that Man, with his tiny cranium, is always thinking he is smart enough to figure out the Infinite One!

..... and then declare He doesn't exist. ..... Oh! What foolishness!!

You've finally run out of bullets.

^^^
Haha. If only that were true.

Facts and reality say different when you compare the peacefulness between secular and religious societies