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SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:08pm On Jan 13
Meliforme:
Formation is the basis of football. It is the foundation.
Formation provides structure, organisation and role interpretation.

You can't discuss football tactics without player setup.
There are certain offensive maneuvres that will be very hard to implement if you do not set up your players in a certain formation.

Finidi said that formation does not matter.
No one can defend Finidi.

You have added a little twist by saying formation alone does not matter. You should have left it exactly the same way it was said.
The point is simple.

Formations is not that important.

If players interpret when to attack and defend and do it very well. There will not be any problem.


Meaning Finidi spends more time in players understanding how to interpret when to attack than defend. The formation set up is not as important as interpreting when to attack and defend.

There is nothing wrong in what Finidi said. He is 100% right.

Give a source that contradicts his point.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:59pm On Jan 13


How can Iwobi do this? This was brutal. 😂
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:59pm On Jan 13
Meliforme:
Pep Guardiola is not saying that formation does not matter.
He is simply telling you that a team can alter their setup during the course of a game, meaning that they can change or tweak formation.
The formation employed as the game started can be changed or tweaked as the game progresses.

Formation change or tweak is part of football tactics.

You cannot separate football formation from football tactics.
Finidi also did not say formation does not matter.

Finito.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:31pm On Jan 12
This still remains my best video off our win of Algeria. I can't wait for more nice videos after winning Morocco.

SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:20pm On Jan 12
lexyman:
No doubt, he was once rated as one of the best wingers in the world—but that does not automatically make him one of the best coaches in the world. And this has nothing to do with the criticism coming from a Nigerian.
Please point me to his world-class achievements as a coach—maybe I’m missing something. The only thing that would make me respect such a bold statement from him is if he had successfully coached a world-class club, or taken a national team to win something tangible, or at least delivered a truly significant result.

Gone are the days when words carried weight simply because of who was speaking. These days, everyone just wants to make a point. But he hasn’t done the work to back up such claims. His tenure actually set the Super Eagles back, and the situation we found ourselves in today was largely a result of his errors and poor approach.
After the long story, the fact is that Finidi was right.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:13pm On Jan 12
daveP:
this is not substantial pls
You just cracked me up. It is general knowledge.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:09pm On Jan 12
elyte89:
Wetin do me wey Dey queue 🙄
Lack of Experience.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:08pm On Jan 12
daveP:
Habaaaaaa!!! shocked
I said Yep.

SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:06pm On Jan 12
daveP:
Habaaaaaa!!! shocked
Yep.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:03pm On Jan 12
AndSunGorilla:
Chelsea or Man Utd?
Chelsea already has Rosenior. I don't think they can get someone like Xabi Alonso to bend to the stuff rules of Chelsea board. It is now a place for young managers.

I don't think a Liverpool legend will coach Manchester United. Not possible to me.

I think he will wait for the Liverpool job.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:01pm On Jan 12
daveP:
There's nothing that will wash him from the terrible job he did. Doing that in wcq again? No pr or whitewashing will be convincing cos we've NEVER extended such privileges to previous saboteurs. We roasted Oliseh for s terrible job but na Finidi we go kon pat rub? No be SE he go use do redemption. Let him do redemption elsewhere and convince us he is indeed different. undecided
Arteta was so poor with Arsenal that the board almost sacked him. It took Guardiola shouting that he was doing a good job that snapped them back to their senses.

As I said before. The process is more important than immediate results. Unfortunately, most are not patient.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:59pm On Jan 12
owbabs:
What if Eric Chelle leaves for Tunisia after AFCON and then the FIFA verdict favors Nigeria over Congo?
Samson Siasia takes over. He deserves it.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:59pm On Jan 12
lexyman:
thank you ... you said Manchester city coach ...Coaches like Guardiola, Mourinho, Zidane, Ancelotti, and others at that level can make statements like that—and be taken seriously.

Why? Because their ideas are backed by measurable success: trophies, tactical evolution, and consistent results at the highest level.

Not a coach like Finidi.

Without tangible achievements to support such claims, saying “formation doesn’t matter” is simply too heavy. Formation may not be everything, but dismissing it requires authority earned through success.

In football, credibility comes from what you’ve done, not just what you say.

That statement carries weight only when it comes from those who have proven they understand the game at its highest level.
please understand my point , maybe i am too Old Skool
Simple. Finidi was right. Many criticized because it came from a Nigerian. If Guardiola or Mourinho said it, many will accept but a Nigerian? No way.

Forgetting his CV. He was rated at one time the best winger in the world. Worked with some of the best managers in the game.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:54pm On Jan 12
TheSuperNerd:
Real Madrid sacks Xabi Alonso. Woah.

Alvaro Arbeloa takes over.

The Repeated El Classico defeat bites.
See something.

Mbappe is a problem.

SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:44pm On Jan 12
zicky:
i thought you had mentioned Guardiola or Van Gaal, Mr defender of the universe
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola insists that formations “are nothing more than phone numbers”.

The implication is that his players move from their positions so much that the stated formation they start in does not in fact matter. The players are so rarely in that shape that there is barely any need to name the formation.

If Tuchel and Glasner are too small for you.

Finidi is 100% right.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:37pm On Jan 12
lexyman:
i am not saying he was wrong ...My point is simple: Finidi does not have the authority to make that claim, because he has not done the right things to support it.

Saying “formation doesn’t matter” is incomplete and misleading. Formation may not be everything, but it is still a critical part of the game. You cannot dismiss it casually—especially when you lack measurable success to back up such a position.

Authority in football discussions comes from results, proven tactical work, and consistent success. Without these, opinions remain just that—opinions..... what i am saying is that , that claim too heavy for him to speak about . until he gets to that height in his career .
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola insists that formations “are nothing more than phone numbers”.

The implication is that his players move from their positions so much that the stated formation they start in does not in fact matter. The players are so rarely in that shape that there is barely any need to name the formation.

The point is simple.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:35pm On Jan 12
lexyman:
i am not saying he was wrong ...My point is simple: Finidi does not have the authority to make that claim, because he has not done the right things to support it.

Saying “formation doesn’t matter” is incomplete and misleading. Formation may not be everything, but it is still a critical part of the game. You cannot dismiss it casually—especially when you lack measurable success to back up such a position.

Authority in football discussions comes from results, proven tactical work, and consistent success. Without these, opinions remain just that—opinions..... what i am saying is that , that claim too heavy for him to speak about . until he gets to that height in his career .
Finidi did not call himself an authority. He just explained his philosophy that it is not much based on formation but interpretation of roles and he was correct. Simple.

Finito.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:32pm On Jan 12
Blueelf:
You never see anything

Na person dey twitter dey argue say its not Finidi's fault that we didn't qualify

Lolll.

I just left the guy. He's a blockhead

Just ignore them
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola insists that formations “are nothing more than phone numbers”.

The implication is that his players move from their positions so much that the stated formation they start in does not in fact matter. The players are so rarely in that shape that there is barely any need to name the formation.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:26pm On Jan 12
lexyman:
Does Formation Really Matter in Football?

Formation matters in football, but it is not the most important factor on its own. Formation is a tool, not a guarantee of success.



What Formation Actually Does

A formation:
Sets the starting structure of the team
Defines player spacing (width, depth, and lines)
Helps players understand their zones and responsibilities

For example:
4-3-3 → width, pressing, attacking play
4-2-3-1 → balance, control, smooth transitions
3-5-2 → midfield dominance, effective wing-backs

So yes—formation provides order.


Why Formation Alone Doesn’t Win Matches

Many teams use the same formation yet play very differently.

That’s because what matters more is:
Player quality
Roles and instructions
Tactics in possession and out of possession
Team chemistry and understanding
Game management

A well-coached team in a “weaker” formation can easily defeat a poorly organized team using a “perfect” one.


The Reality of Modern Football

In modern football:
Teams change shape constantly during matches
A 4-3-3 in attack can become 2-3-5
A 4-2-3-1 in defense can drop into 4-4-2

What truly matters is movement, not just where players start on the pitch.


When Formation REALLY Matters

Formation becomes crucial when:
Players don’t understand their roles
Teams face clear tactical mismatches
Coaches fail to adapt during the game
The system doesn’t suit the available players

Using the wrong formation for your players is like assigning the right people to the wrong jobs.

my take:
Formation matters for structure
Tactics, roles, and execution matter more
Players win games—not numbers on a tactics board

As Johan Cruyff implied:
“Football is simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing.”


I have never coached a professional team. But I know my onions—especially from football simulations.

On PlayStation, I apply tactical adjustments and switch formations mid-game to confuse opponents. These are strategic concepts I have mastered. You may argue that it’s “just a game,” but it is still a simulation—and in many cases, the same principles apply to real-life scenarios.


This is why I struggle with certain football arguments.

Finidi dragged us backwards tactically. Is he an authority? What significant success supports his theory?

If this were Guardiola or The Special One, I would have given it serious consideration.

But football respects ideas backed by results. so Finidi should go and sit down ... na so we for believe say this guys doesnt know how to play ,see wetin dem dey play now ? talk true e no give you joy ?
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola insists that formations “are nothing more than phone numbers”. The implication is that his players move from their positions so much that the stated formation they start in does not in fact matter. The players are so rarely in that shape that there is barely any need to name the formation.

https://learning.coachesvoice.com/cv/formations-football-tactics-explained-best-most-used/#:~:text=Manchester%20City%20manager%20Pep%20Guardiola,need%20to%20name%20the%20formation.

Finidi was 100% right.

You don't get to work with Coach Monday Sinclair, Van Gaal and Luis Aragounes as a key cerebral player and not know what you are saying.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:11pm On Jan 12
lexyman:
Does Formation Really Matter in Football?

Formation matters in football, but it is not the most important factor on its own. Formation is a tool, not a guarantee of success.



What Formation Actually Does

A formation:
Sets the starting structure of the team
Defines player spacing (width, depth, and lines)
Helps players understand their zones and responsibilities

For example:
4-3-3 → width, pressing, attacking play
4-2-3-1 → balance, control, smooth transitions
3-5-2 → midfield dominance, effective wing-backs

So yes—formation provides order.


Why Formation Alone Doesn’t Win Matches

Many teams use the same formation yet play very differently.

That’s because what matters more is:
Player quality
Roles and instructions
Tactics in possession and out of possession
Team chemistry and understanding
Game management

A well-coached team in a “weaker” formation can easily defeat a poorly organized team using a “perfect” one.


The Reality of Modern Football

In modern football:
Teams change shape constantly during matches
A 4-3-3 in attack can become 2-3-5
A 4-2-3-1 in defense can drop into 4-4-2

What truly matters is movement, not just where players start on the pitch.


When Formation REALLY Matters

Formation becomes crucial when:
Players don’t understand their roles
Teams face clear tactical mismatches
Coaches fail to adapt during the game
The system doesn’t suit the available players

Using the wrong formation for your players is like assigning the right people to the wrong jobs.

my take:
Formation matters for structure
Tactics, roles, and execution matter more
Players win games—not numbers on a tactics board

As Johan Cruyff implied:
“Football is simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing.”


I have never coached a professional team. But I know my onions—especially from football simulations.

On PlayStation, I apply tactical adjustments and switch formations mid-game to confuse opponents. These are strategic concepts I have mastered. You may argue that it’s “just a game,” but it is still a simulation—and in many cases, the same principles apply to real-life scenarios.


This is why I struggle with certain football arguments.

Finidi dragged us backwards tactically. Is he an authority? What significant success supports his theory?

If this were Guardiola or The Special One, I would have given it serious consideration.

But football respects ideas backed by results. so Finidi should go and sit down ... na so we for believe say this guys doesnt know how to play ,see wetin dem dey play now ? talk true e no give you joy ?
The debate went beyond Finidi. I have dropped that Oliver Glasner and Tuchel supports his argument. What you should do is to find a source that can argue against the point.

The one you posted supports Finidi.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:09pm On Jan 12
TheSuperNerd:
Real Madrid sacks Xabi Alonso. Woah.

Alvaro Arbeloa takes over.

The Repeated El Classico defeat bites.
Good riddance. Glad for Xabi Alonso. He needs a more organized club with a structured approach.

Wish him the best. He is an exceptional manager.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:07pm On Jan 12
lexyman:
Does Formation Really Matter in Football?

Formation matters in football, but it is not the most important factor on its own. Formation is a tool, not a guarantee of success.



What Formation Actually Does

A formation:
Sets the starting structure of the team
Defines player spacing (width, depth, and lines)
Helps players understand their zones and responsibilities

For example:
4-3-3 → width, pressing, attacking play
4-2-3-1 → balance, control, smooth transitions
3-5-2 → midfield dominance, effective wing-backs

So yes—formation provides order.


Why Formation Alone Doesn’t Win Matches

Many teams use the same formation yet play very differently.

That’s because what matters more is:
Player quality
Roles and instructions
Tactics in possession and out of possession
Team chemistry and understanding
Game management

A well-coached team in a “weaker” formation can easily defeat a poorly organized team using a “perfect” one.


The Reality of Modern Football

In modern football:
Teams change shape constantly during matches
A 4-3-3 in attack can become 2-3-5
A 4-2-3-1 in defense can drop into 4-4-2

What truly matters is movement, not just where players start on the pitch.


When Formation REALLY Matters

Formation becomes crucial when:
Players don’t understand their roles
Teams face clear tactical mismatches
Coaches fail to adapt during the game
The system doesn’t suit the available players

Using the wrong formation for your players is like assigning the right people to the wrong jobs.

my take:
Formation matters for structure
Tactics, roles, and execution matter more
Players win games—not numbers on a tactics board

As Johan Cruyff implied:
“Football is simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing.”


I have never coached a professional team. But I know my onions—especially from football simulations.

On PlayStation, I apply tactical adjustments and switch formations mid-game to confuse opponents. These are strategic concepts I have mastered. You may argue that it’s “just a game,” but it is still a simulation—and in many cases, the same principles apply to real-life scenarios.


This is why I struggle with certain football arguments.

Finidi dragged us backwards tactically. Is he an authority? What significant success supports his theory?

If this were Guardiola or The Special One, I would have given it serious consideration.

But football respects ideas backed by results. so Finidi should go and sit down ... na so we for believe say this guys doesnt know how to play ,see wetin dem dey play now ? talk true e no give you joy ?
Why Formation Alone Doesn’t Win Matches

Many teams use the same formation yet play very differently.

That’s because what matters more is:
Player quality
Roles and instructions
Tactics in possession and out of possession
Team chemistry and understanding
Game management


This is exactly from your post and fully supports Finidi. So what is the point of posting what supports Finidi's point and try to argue against it.

Finidi is 100% right.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:58pm On Jan 12
9JAMac10:
Algerian Football Federation: The refereeing decisions in the last match against Nigeria cannot be overlooked, as they raised questions and left widespread dissatisfaction, striking at the credibility of African refereeing
I saw a review that showed the penalty call was not true because the ball struck Semi Ajayi's (I think) leg before his arm. If that is one of the poor calls, they should learn to accept defeat.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:54pm On Jan 12
daveP:
Calmness ke? Lars Lagerback is the calmest coach the super eagles ever had. We know how it ended. No be by calm pls o. Lol

Aside that one, his on pitch ideas and decisions were terrible ones.

With time we'll need better coaches not giving mediocrity 2nd chances, esp when we can't see any significant upgrade from that person as well.


I'll rather give Amuneke if it came down to the two
Amuneke remains my top pick but I won't run down Finidi. With time we would have had a brilliant team with him. I have no shred of doubt.

Sometimes good things require patience.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:48pm On Jan 12
Danielnino00:
I don't agree with the no squad depth thing..
We went to the last AFCON with 25 players...
In the absence of Ndidi, he had Onyedika and Alhassan ...No Akor, but he had Moffi, Onuachu and Iheanacho... You might say neither of the trio are as good as Akor, but we may never have known how good Akor was if Chelle hadn't given him the chance...
We don't have Aina and Frederick in this tournament, but their absence hasn't been felt..


Peseiro did a good job taking us far, but his undoing was over dependence on his regular starters.... remember, it took him long to discard Uzoho who was stinking all over the place... He barely have players like Bruno a chance
Peseiro benched Onyedika without mercy.
PoliticsRe: Tinubu's Identity: Cute Abiola Late Father's Picture & More Controversy Emerging by TheGoodJoe(m):
ADC need to challenge Tinubu's credibility for the polls. He needs to get disqualified to run. Lawyers should be in America, disturbing the legislature to clear his files for scrutiny.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:33pm On Jan 12
yinkeys:
What if Walid Regruagui chooses to play exactly like his Morocco 2022 World Cup side
Playing without the ball & counter attack
That side knocked out Spain & Portugal if you remember, very lethal
Since they don’t have our attack firepower like we do
Chelle should prepare for everything o
Regruagui might have had an impressive run with that strategy at the World Cup but it was still a game of fluke. I doubt it will work against us with players who are good in tight spaces like Lookman and Iwobi.

Also the aerial prowess of Osimhen, Akor and Onuachu. Sitting deep would come out catastrophic for them. Their first point of call will be to press and stop us from building from the back. So I expect Chelle to work more on our build up play under a high press.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:30pm On Jan 12
Goke7:
Remember, Finidi's tenure as head coach was brief. It was what was leaked out to the media that caused the spat between him and Osihmen. For a coach who was with the same team in the last AFCON, it was so glaring that he didn't bond properly with the players. I guess this was why one of us was saying here that the assistant coach slot given to our local coaches is beginning to look like a waste. Personality differences, I know exist, but that's why a good working relationship needs to be cultivated. Our local coaches can and should do better when it comes to the national team. We can't continue to use the support of the NFF as an excuse, we know the NFF will never change.
Actually, the leak did not come from Finidi's staff but from the NFF. It was after a meeting with the NFF, that an NFF staff made a false impression about Finidi to Osimhen. So I think that is a clear misconception.

I still believe with time, we would have had a wonderful team under Finidi. His calmness was so impressive.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:26am On Jan 12
Goke7:
If you observe Chelle, you will never see him say anything about his players atitude or performance anywhere, or what he said in private being leaked out to the press, even when they falter, mentioning names or not, so it's difficult for him to be misunderstood by anyone regarding his players. I mean, for all Nwabali's behaviour and play, Chelle said nothing. Finidi didn't do well in that area, let's be honest.
Can you make some instances where you felt Finidi's man management of a situation was poor?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:16am On Jan 12
Goke7:
I think the problem with most of our ex-players is their ability to manage the best of our players in the squad. Imagine the spat between Osihmen and Lookman, I tell you, most of our ex players as coaches would have taken sides. This was also Findi's problem, as well as Oliseh and others. I think this is where Siasia was the best of them all. Only Keshi got away and delivered results after freezing quality players like Ike Uche, Martins, and Osaze out of his Afcon-winning team, and that was because he still had quality in the likes of Victor Moses and Mikel Obi.
I think Eguavoen also wielded influence and control. Only Oliseh had issues and that was likely because of the NFF pressure to do their bidding.

Amunike wielded so much influence, love and respect on his U17/20 boys.

What our ex players lack is support and respect of the NFF.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:09am On Jan 12
Goke7:
I think the problem with most of our ex-players is their ability to manage the best of our players in the squad. Imagine the spat between Osihmen and Lookman, I tell you, most of our ex players as coaches would have taken sides. This was also Findi's problem, as well as Oliseh and others. I think this is where Siasia was the best of them all. Only Keshi got away and delivered results after freezing quality players like Ike Uche, Martins, and Osaze out of his Afcon-winning team, and that was because he still had quality in the likes of Victor Moses and Mikel Obi.

I have no doubt Finidi would have excelled with the Super Eagles if given time and authority. At the end it takes time for tactical philosophies to soak in.

Regarding handling of egos, I think Finidi showed his class with the way he handled Osimhen's burst up. Many coaches would have blown the lid but he handled it behind the scene.

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