Christianity Etc › Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by themonk(m): 11:29am On Dec 31, 2019 |
k4kenny: It has come to my understanding that most atheists and critics of religions only do so by criticizing the Christian perspective of God and what the bible says.
Your statement that God believes he was not created is weird. How can you tell what God believes? Anyways Islam has its own explanation of God and how the world came into being.
Science theorised that the universe was created by an expansion which lead to a big bang. This is also stated in the Qur'an. The question now is what lead to this big bang?. Newton's first law of motion states that an external force causes an effect on an object. Whatever force that caused the big bang is definitely outside of this universe.
Also note that whatever causes an effect has no resemblance to the effect it has caused. Let me explain better. When you blow a balloon, it expands. The expansion is as a result of the air pressure inside the balloon. The air(cause) has no resemblance whatsoever with the balloon's expansion (effect). In the same vein, the Creator of the universe bears no resemblance to any of the effects of His cause. Q112.4 states 'and there is nothing like unto Him'. Any religion that gives their 'god' a human identity is nothing but a sham.
I'll really urge the OP and others to please study Islam with a non biased mind. Forget about all this propaganda of Isis and Boko haram. It's all plot to cause chaos and divert people from the truth. First, right off the bat. I'm not an Atheist and I have no recurring interest in criticism of religion. I'm just motivated to do it today. You have come to substitute the Christian story with your own Muslim story which honestly is more ridiculous maybe except for the figurative big bang theory it supposedly talked about. Let me not even go into the story of how most religions turn literal things into figurative expressions so they can fit into mordern societal beliefs and they can in turn say their holy book prophesied it. So scientists have said they do not know what caused the big bang, let us just say you are correct and it is "God" that as you said "Exists outside the universe" that caused it. So who created this God that exists outside the universe? Let us say he exists in another universe or in a multiverse. Who created this multiverse? Someone might show up tommorrow and say your own "God" was created by him and this multivelse is his own "Garden of eden", isn't it? The idea that you say it is God because a book told you that one of the Gods out of about 4200 God's that existed throughout history Created the universe is ridiculous. I mean Egyptians, Greeks, African Traditional religions had their own convincing stories. But you own is the one who created the universe, how convinent? The reason your own created the universe is because you were born into a family of Muslims or on a rare occasion you got converted to Islam. This is why the Christian also believes his own God created the universe. Don't even start by telling me all religions have the same God because God obviously told you guys different stories and gave you different books. |
Christianity Etc › Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by themonk(m): 11:09am On Dec 31, 2019 |
midnighter: You have taken the Bible accounts out of context. Rather than using your own concept of morality to judge that of the people doing the warring and enslaving, you should take time to understand the environment, orientation and circumstances surrounding those Biblical events and what God was hoping to achieve by assisting them in their endeavours.
Are you being deliberately condescending? Your second paragraph is beside the point; I have never denied that traditional religion could be effective so no need to lecture me on that. Why dont you as well "go out and do your own research" instead of twisting the Bible to suit your spurious "arm-chair argument"
I dont see the point in you using the Old Testament as an argument against Christianity without considering the New Testament which forms the explanation and validation of the first part. How can a pastor who kills people be justified by the Bible? You are not making sense. Can a native doctor who poisons people be justified by any masquerade cult or Nze na Ozo society? So whats your point exactly Can you exactly tell me in what context it makes sense that a book of justice would encourage humans to own their fellow humans as property? While at it tell me in which context it makes sense for a loving God to send a particular tribe to war against the other tribe even when he created both. Like I said before if these things aren't figurative, it makes zero sense. If your argument is that God changed in the New Testament and started behaving differently, how are you sure he won't change after rapture? I mean he could wake up one morning and say, I no longer love all my children just these particular ones, others can go to hell. The idea is I cannot trust a God who did these things to love me. Slavery and Tribal wars cannot be encouraged and justified in the same breath, if you know of any esoteric knowledge that explains this you are not sharing I would be happy to help. Sorry if I sounded condescending. There are pastors who kill, when I mean kill I mean spiritually. Just the same way prophets in the bible could send a bear to devour kids under the "Spirit of God". There were native doctors who do good things only like heal people. The idea is that these spirits are in man irrespective of religion and instead of being deep in religion be deep in spirituality. |
Christianity Etc › Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by themonk(m): 3:54am On Dec 31, 2019 |
midnighter: You dont get it. Its not a law thats above Him; its a condition that goes against His nature. Oil and water dont mix. God and sin dont mix.
I did not deny the presence of contradictions or errors. I do not deny that the idea of sacrifice is common in ancient mythology. That a text has been rendered incorrectly does not make it false. That an idea is popular or found elsewhere does not make it false.
The Bible contains several different genres of writing. Some of it has been taken by some as metaphor. That does not mean that it no longer applies. Which of these two should go against your nature? 1) Forgiving and forgetting someone’s sins without repercussion. 2) Sending your son to die on the cross in a horrendous manner so you can forgive humans. Is this even a question? Human sacrifice that incurred more sins from those who sacrificed Jesus. I mean this is a God who encouraged slavery in this book you speak of, encourage some tribes of humans to go and kill other tribes even though he supposedly created both of them but he loved one more, this is unjust isn’t it? The Bible cannot be a moral compass, I mean Christians that have the guts to even argue irk me. I don’t like to argue with people about religion but I’m so concerned when people try to convince others it is a moral compass or a coherent, informative and infallible book of justice. Stick to your religion and just believe that things you see there you will get to understand later. Except you have any esoteric knowledge about the Bible or you read another bible different from the one I read or you just ignore the holes like most people do please just have faith that what you believe will be just and truthful and at the appointed time God will reveal everything to you. Yes, miracles and divine manifestations work through the Bible but it also worked through ancient religions. In Igbo land they where bad and good native doctors and in Christianity there are pastors that kill their enemies and even neighbors and pastors that don’t. Some might argue that these pastors are possessed by evil spirits lol, these people haven’t read the Old Testament. The thing is if you are smart enough this should tell you that this thing is deeper than you can imagine. Go out and do research and compare what you believe with reality, theoretical and arm-chair Bible arguments don’t work. All my life I’ve always questioned why things happen and try to compare what happens with theories the Bible proposed and it has never matched up. I am not saying the Bible is wrong, I’m just saying I’ve not found any reason for it to be right. Please let this not discourage you from being a christian, just don’t be a sheep. If you are stimulated by your spirit to ask questions ask them, if not please don’t, maybe it’s your destiny to take the blue pill and not the red one. |
Christianity Etc › Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by themonk(m): 3:25am On Dec 31, 2019 |
midnighter: Sins need to be punished. If you understand God as much as you claim to, you should understand that its against His nature to abide with sin. Forgiveness is not the point. He can forgive you but He still needs the sin to be paid for. Are you saying that your parents simply "forgave" you all the time when you were growing up, with no consequences?
You shouldnt use emotive language like "forgive" and "revenge" to try to distract away from the point.
Your second paragraph is not closely connected enough with what we were discussing for me to respond to it. You are basically saying there are things God cannot do? Which is forgive and erasing repercussions, which is basically what humans do for one another. If God has to randomly or systematically allow repercussions for sins and cannot forgive man without the spilling of the blood of his son, it means there are physical and universal laws he cannot tamper with and those laws are above him isn’t it? The idea that God believes he was not created makes him an atheist, imagine a situation another God shows up and say. I’m the one that created this God you guys worship and the universal laws he must obey are under my command. It is crazy to think that the Bible is infallible, except most things there are figurative, I mean some verses directly contradict the others. Sorry to say but if the Bible is literal, it is complete junk, if it is figurative how does “God” expect us to figure out the true meaning when almost different denominations interpret it differently even when they all claim to be under the same holy ghost. I have come to understand and experience spiritual and paranormal parts of life but honestly most religions are junk. Come to think of it, A god inspires this book which everyone must follow or they burn in hell regardless of the degree of exposure or familiarity they have with this book, this book copied the concept of a son of God of immaculate conception who came to die for the world from ancient Egyptian religions and has so many contradictions. In my experience most people who believe the Bible just want it to be true the moment you sincerely read the Bible without bias and with an open mind you see holes in it. I mean starting from modern scientific discoveries up to direct statements and these contradictions or inaccuracies are recurrent. I know there is a spiritual part of life but most religions are lame attempts to explain it and more likely attempts to enslave people. |
Christianity Etc › Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by themonk(m): 2:42am On Dec 31, 2019 |
midnighter: No lol I started responding but I had to think about what you wrote since it was quite sensitive.  Can't get over. |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: President Donald Trump Impeachment Updates by themonk(m): 3:41pm On Dec 28, 2019 |
Appleyard: My brother, there is no way you can rig an election simply by putting ads on Facebook. This line of thinking is what makes the claim that the Russians rig the elections spurrous and dumb.
If putting up ads on behalf of another candidate is how you rig an election, then I must say the term rigging has lost its meaning, and its correlation with the word influence is crazier than we thought. 
Here is the fact: there is no way you can influence the EC votes by so called ads without tampering with the swing states voting process or results itself. Since that wasn't what happened, it makes the claim even more illogical and stupid since you can't influence or rig the EC votes by running ads or exposing stuff about the opposition without same reflecting on the popular vote.
I will advise that you read up on Professor Allan Lichtman "13 key factors" that he has used to correctly predict the winner of five previous elections, including that of Trump in 2016, and you will understand better why Trump won, and why he would win again in 2020 (according to the professor key system).
Besides, it was obvious Trump was going to win because the Dems made him popular by making him their campaign issue instead of arguing more based on policies that touches directly on the citizens. Unfortunately, they're repeating same mistake again.
If Trump scales through this Impeachment brouhaha at the senate, the Dems can forget 2020 because they would have made Trump even more popular in the eyes of the ordinary man in the street whose kettle in this whole thing is what is the state of the economy and what is the job market prospect at the moment.
I'm sorry to say this: the Dems are already campaigning for Trump for 2020. If the senate doesn't bar him from contesting, it is game over for Democrats per the presidency. Was facebook Ads the only thing you saw I wrote? Do you know what sovereignty is? The Professor you are talking about did he also predict that Trump won't win by majority? Hence he is seriously gambling! I don't have time for long talk go and look at the approval ratings of Trump if it's not up to 50% then tell me how you think he would win next year. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: President Donald Trump Impeachment Updates by themonk(m): 3:03am On Dec 28, 2019 |
Appleyard: Please, let logic be your thinking cap. If the Russians interfared to swing the votes in favor of Trump, how come Hilary Clinton ended up winning the popular vote by more than 2 MILLIONS, and Trump only got elected through the backdoor created by the Electoral College? Does it make sense to you?
I doubt it does. Your logic is based on the fact that the Russians are dumb and cannot figure that it might be easier to focus on the electoral college vote instead of the popular vote. So if the strength of Trump winning lies in key states, the Russians should abandon that and try to make Trump win the popular vote which will be a suboptimal strategy? Secondly, that Russians INFLUENCED the election does not mean the completely mind controller everyone to vote Republicans. They did what they had to do that would increase Trumps CHANCES of winning. No matter how you rig an election like that, you cannot be sure you will perform better than the opposition until you win. All you are doing is increasing the CHANCES of your desired candidate through social media character assassination of the opponent, hacking and leaking information detrimental you the opponent, illegally sponsoring the campaign of your candidate and so on. These would illegally increase your chances and that is what "INFLUENCED" means. |
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Education › Re: High JAMB Scores: Has JAMB Quality Dropped Or Are Students Now More Intelligent? by themonk(m): 4:18pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
Snowale: I think it's population increase, more people are seeking admission into the university, so those with very high scores are more and are recognized. The are hundreds of thousands of aspirant with less than 150 in JAMB The above and also Humans get more intelligent over time. Plus there is a limit to questions jamb can manufacture, so most people would have encountered a question before. The more times jamb exams are taken the more it is likely to repeat a question or figure out a trick to tick the correct answer since a pattern tends to come out. Also there are better resources to make preparations easier like the internet and all. |
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Politics › Re: Quilox: Akin Alabi Accuses Police Of Demanding Bribe To Release Impounded Cars by themonk(m): 9:54pm On Dec 23, 2019 |
FuckAllTheMODs: I dont know about his yahoo yahoo accusation but if it is about traffick and noise, then I guess you don't stay on the island or you have not made use of that route/road around that clubbing period, you won't be saying what you are saying if you do. He should try to relocate his club to a more convenient place, that present location is kinda small and there is no car pack for the clubbers, just a small space by the side which is someone else's fromtage We are saying the same thing aren't we? I was affected by the traffic too. I'm saying he shouldn't accuse people for things they are not convicted of doing. |
Politics › Re: Quilox: Akin Alabi Accuses Police Of Demanding Bribe To Release Impounded Cars by themonk(m): 9:52pm On Dec 23, 2019 |
RamseyBolton: So someone into yahoo yahoo will shout out like Naira marley that they do it? If you know, you know. Oga it doesn't matter. You need to have evidence before you accuse someone or do you expect the society to call you a rapist when a random girl accuses you without evidence. |
Politics › Re: Quilox: Akin Alabi Accuses Police Of Demanding Bribe To Release Impounded Cars by themonk(m): 9:16pm On Dec 23, 2019 |
RamseyBolton: Shina Peller should not be a lawmaker. That guy used the Nigerian system to do yahoo yahoo. That silly club causing noise pollution and traffic issues should be closed down
Before you label me a hater, imagine a someone rushing to the hospital but being held up because clubbers gotta club. Nonsense Only your last paragraph made sense, the first one is highly incoherent and you are talking about things you have no evidence of which is synonymous to haters. |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Religious Persecution: US Places Nigeria On Special Watch List Of Countries by themonk(m): 1:56pm On Dec 21, 2019 |
post=85103134: Love is all we want in our nation.
A nation where all men and women will love themselves as christ commanded us to do.
Let us all say no to hatred, negativity and all social vice.
This is the way forward to a New and better nation.
God bless Nigeria.
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