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You just created your Nairaland account today, thus your profile has no history or credibility. Your first two posts are about getting people to transfer large sums of money on your behalf. I hope you will understand that these your posts will be construed as that of a potential scammer. Sorry. No offense intended.

ototoyi:
Hi people,
I need your help or you need mine, Is anyone in need of dollars in Canada or US, I need naira in my Nigerian account. Will pay in dollars to you US or canadian account. pls contact me on my email (writeoby@gmail.com). its alot o. like school fee amount
Thank you

Since you already have a BSc (presumably), the PGD is the better option for TRV purposes. This doesn't mean you can't get the visa with an advanced diploma, but it is just riskier if you don't have extremely convincing reasons. PGD represents a progression from your BSc.

1. Since you already have a Bsc, you likely can do a masters with an advanced diploma. But I stand to be corrected... you might want to email masters programs to ask and then get back to us on your findings.
2. The embassy will likely not ask you to pay school fees, but some people pay at least one semester tuition to demonstrate their commitment to the VO. But this doesn't appear to significantly influence the application outcome (with the exception of "insufficient funds" applicants).

charles316:
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Funmi:
I'm so sorry about your second delay. So I read through your transcripts and I realize that the same reason was ticked for your delay as for my sister's first delay. In particular, your first application is almost an exact mirror of my sister's. We have a brother in the US with similar financials as your brother's, in fact the money in his account actually increased during the application period and was six times more than her program's annual total expenses! Our conclusion is that the VO was not fully convinced that the brother indeed would pay for her finances; this could have been because of any sort of ambiguity or lack of clarity in his sponsor letter, or could have been because he didn't submit an original bank statement (printed online copy) or a notarized letter (we submitted a regular signed letter). We fixed these issues in her subsequent application, and we prepaid more than one year of tuition and living expenses directly to the school and attached the receipt. She submitted the application, her second, today.

From previous conversations on this thread, the consensus is that the embassy can verify the authenticity of the bank statement and everything on it, but the bank can not legally give them information about the current balance on the account. This is important to note because it then leads to the conclusion that your first application was likely delayed for other reasons -- i.e. the VO wasn't convinced your brother was going to fully support you.

The only way to remove this sort of ambiguity is to specify everything possible on the sponsor's letter, for instance, he would specify exactly how much he would give you every year (e.g. "a minimum of C$30,000 per year" ), how many dependents he has (if any), his marital status, his occupation, how long he has been working, and why he is sponsoring you. Additionally, it would help if he also paid at least one year of tuition or even tuition for the whole program's length; you would include his funds transfer receipt (from his bank, showing that he was the one who transferred the money) as well your university student account payment receipt. All these are likely to allay the VO's concerns. I really feel that VOs are a bit more circumspect about sponsors who are either not your parents/siblings or who live outside Nigeria and Canada -- but these issues can be mitigated by being very specific and detailed on sponsor documentation. E go beta. :-)

funmi14:
Yes! Applied June 2014. Same reason: Strictly financial insufficiency.
Check my transcripts, I don't know maybe they want me to have 1Billion inside my acct sha... #Godwin!!!

It means to go and do your medical exam as soon as possible. By the way, if you keep wondering what this means and don't do the medicals within the allotted time, your application will definitely be rejected, that part is sure.

The request to do medicals means your application is very likely approved.

waleakins:
PLS I GOT A MSG FROM ACCRA JUST NOW. THEY SAID I SHD DO A MEDICAL EXAM AND I HAVE 14DAYS TO DO SO. PLS WAT DOES IT MEAN?

What course and degree are you planning on going for? Perhaps some of us on this thread can suggest schools for your desired course.

twizzie:
Meanwhile, searching for schools no be here o.. I am tired already sef... I am looking at using an agent just for the school admission... Juggling with work and its workload, home (with two demanding boys, Oh, make it three!!(Their Dad) and now having to stay awake browsing for school! whew! I know y'all frown at using agents but I cannot come and die....e yaff do...

Bros/sis:

You need to at least do some research on your own. The answer to many of your questions have already been repeatedly discussed in detail in previous parts of this thread!!!!

Also, Google is your friend. You can do a Google search of this thread by entering your search phrase of interest and then add "Nairaland". For example you could type "TRV documents Canada nairaland' into Google and most of the results would be from this thread.

Go back and read this thread from page one of Part 8, and then come back and ask any question that is still unanswered. If nobody read the previous pages and if nobody did their own research, there would only be question askers not question answerers.

Please do the needful.

dramacox:
Hi Guys, I have been following this thread and i can see that there are gurus who can really help in here rather paying heavyly to an agent. Pls i really need you guyz to put me through cos am a novice as per trv application. I grad from unilorin with a low grade of 2.2, i studied computer science (CGPA 2.55/5.0), and intend goin for graduate certificate (1yr course) cos my chance of getting master is very low.

My questions
1. which school do you recommend?
2. Do i need IELTS test?
3. Do i have to pay tuition (averagely how much?)
4. After getting admission, List of supporting document to submit with my offer of admission letter
5. How should be on my bank statement? (Am married with a kid and i will like to include that in my application)

I will appreciate it if u can reply or gimme pm me @ iceblackfaze@yahoo.co.uk

Thanks all.

I would strongly recommend you get a co-sponsor or make sure that the bank account is at least N10m, given that your fees are ~N5m/year and your sponsor also has other dependents. You do not want to leave it to chance and hope God will do a miracle -- if we left things in this world to chance we wouldn't have vaccines, phones, airplanes, etc. So please do the needful and don't take an unnecessary risk.

Godymn:
Team12...Naah, its fine. I dont plan on lying. I will declare all. I'l try getting a co-sponsor, but if i dont get, i'l apply like that and watch the miracle my God can do.
***Appreciate***

Godymn:
Dear All,

Please, i need advise on this.

Regarding the finance of your sponsor.

Your sponsor happens to be your dad and has a SOA of about 5.5M-6M. Your 1year fees plus other stuffs is about 4.8M a year. He has 4 kids, but your the second. The first is done with school. When filling the family information and how many dependants he has, how do one go about it because, i'v been bothered about this finance. How do i scale through?

NB: Getting a co-sponsor might not fly because we have none.

I just need your candid advise on this.

Regards.

It seems you tried sending me a PM, but I didn't receive it. Pls resend.

domex007:
thank you bro

I don't have too strong an opinion on your strategy, but it sounds fishy even if truly genuine. You need to think like a VO!

If I were the VO, here are the doubts in my mind:
1. why should I allow this applicant into Canada for the same exact program & degree he/she already did in his/her country?
2. why did this applicant not apply to a PGD program in Canada instead?
3. why should i believe that this applicant is truly going to study given the above questions?

You would need to convince the VO in your SOP why you are going this unusual route. If I were the VO, I would need an extremely cogent argument in order to eliminate my doubts about the intent of your visa application. I think you may be able to convince the VO, but the burden of proof on you is very high.

Why are you not considering doing a PGD and then a masters thereafter? With this route, it would be easier to make a case to the VO. Your current approach seems very risky (but not impossible) to me, especially because you will be studying the exact same course and degree.

skymorbabs:
Tanx thesoj: Yeap..... I mean applyin for anoda degree in geology wt d hp of convincin d VO ova d 3rd class grade wch hv less job chances.
Wats Ur opinion plssss

To answer your question, the closest thing to Top-Up in Canada is the post-graduate diploma (PGD).

Did you mean that you want to apply for MSc in Geology? Your question states you want to apply for a BSc even though you already have one; I'll assume that was a typo.

skymorbabs:
Sir/Madam, does canada university also did TOP-UP programme like UK? As I wanted to apply for BSc geology with my geology degree (3rd Class grade)?
Thank you

Why "sir"? You think this thread is only for guys? There are ladies on this thread that could give equally good opinions. No offense intended just stating the facts.

skymorbabs:
Sir, does canada university also did TOP-UP programme like UK? As I wanted to apply for BSc geology with my geology degree (3rd Class grade)?
Thank you

Good point, there are a few exceptions but mostly with really low end phones. Quad-band phones should work (for the most part) on any GSM network. Most phones these days are quad-band.

berexio1:
***Modified**'Should' u mean ..I can't say for all techno products.

My little cousin had to change his phone cos when he tried the sim from canada on his techno device it didn't work.

Any cellphone that works on a Naija network should work in Canada. Nigeria uses the GSM standard, and so does Canada.

toboy:
Helo and goodevening to you all. This canny thread no get party two jare!. I'm really enjoying the discussions on food stuff,clothing etc I want you guys to please to throw light into phones! Which type of phones is compatible with canny network? Phones like infinix or techno will it work there? And the best subscription plan,to grab upon arrival? putting into consideration that one might tend to make quite a lot calls to home first few months upon arrival.
Thank you.

Having prior visa rejections doesn't doom your fate. You have as good a chance as most people on this forum to get a Canadian visa.

As per your uncle in the US being your sponsor, this shouldn't be an issue -- people on this thread have obtained a Canadian visa with US sponsors; the koko of the matter is that your sponsor has to prove to the officer that he will indeed sponsor you.

My guess is that with a US sponsor and given that he is your uncle not your parent or sibling, the burden of proof placed on the uncle is higher. So it would be convincing, for instance, if the sponsor explains in a notarized letter and/or affidavit why he is sponsoring you. It also would be convincing if your uncle pays for at least one semester but preferably one year of tuition to prove his commitment to fund you. You would attach the funds transfer receipt (in addition to the payment receipt from the school) to show that it was your uncle that made the payment.

You would also submit originals and bank certified copies of the uncle's bank statements. Your uncle additionally needs to show that he has full access to the company funds, which means he has to prove that he is the sole owner of the company. If the ownership is a partnership then he would need a letter from either the board of the company or all partners stating that the company funds can be used for your sponsorship. Basically you want to eliminate any ambiguity about this, the presence of which could jeopardize the VO's opinion. To avoid this complexity, he could just provide his own personal bank statements, assuming there's enough money in there.

Also, I hope you've been keeping yourself busy since you finished secondary school in 2012. You would need to enter into the application form what you have been doing since then. Cheers.

domex007:
Hi.friends, i am new to this part of the trend, applied to US for UG a couple of times but was denied visa,
gravinton and amefrica have encouraged me to try canada. i wanna try canada but i dont know much about canada as i know about US. please i need information about admission and visa processing.
i am 22, finished secondary school 2012 (gce result) my sponsor is in america and he is my uncle (father's brother) and he has a company account.
please friends, i want to know my chances of gettin the canadian visa.
thank you for your help and time..

Good points.
Did your friend email CIC to change his/her DLI? Or did he/she just present a different admission at the POE without having changed his/her DLI?

@myb012, hope these conversations are helping you

IyaEjima:
Trust me, it's a big risk mailing only, esp if his travel date is close. A friend of mine changed schools and presented d letter from d new Sch @ YYZ, CBSA refused to let her in, until she called someone from the new Sch on phone and d person answered all questions asked correctly, then they stamped her passport and gave her a study permit.

I emailed you two days ago after seeing your PM notification. Check your junk mail. I just sent you another email now.

henrinco:
@thesoj Please help proof read my SOP. I don't know how this pm works. henrinco@yahoo.com

This is a great response. But don't you think it would be easier and less expensive for @myb012 if he just emailed CIC (assuming he didn't apply online for his TRV)? In the scenario that CIC changes his DLI, he wouldn't have to land in ON, house himself, go to the school, etc -- this would cost him a lot! Plus, he could ask the ON school for a refund via email.

I agree with @TempusQ, you, and @richcasey but I just feel like emailing CIC is the simplest solution here; this is what I would do. Occam's Razor comes to mind.

The only reason to not email CIC Accra is if there is plausible reason to believe they would prejudice his TRV, which is a nonstarter in my opinion.

montrealer:
There's nothing wrong in emailing CIC but probably unnecessary since someone with a similar experience already shared her experience. Besides, people have always been able to change their institution but usually after landing (crossing the port of entry).

@myb012: it might cost a little more going to Ontario first before relocating to Manitoba but I'll advise to spend the money. You've gone through too much already to get to Canada and be refused entry. #justmytwocents.

IyaEjima:
@myb012

Have ur passport stamped @ YYZ wiv d ON offer letter, go online notify CIC of a change of Sch and move to MB.. Got admitted to UoManitoba 4 Masters, few days after arriving ON and that's what I did. If u r already enrolled in d Sch @ ON (if u paid tuition), pls ask for a withdrawal/refund process and fill d CIC notification form given to u by the Sch too, if any.

@myb012 @richcasey @TempusQ
I stand to be corrected. I'll go with @richcasey's suggestion. @richcasey, could you post the CIC website link from which you got the info on changing schools upon landing? I think that would give full confidence and peace of mind to anyone with same issues in the future.

richcasey:
follow this advice below. Land Ontario first, and do the rest when you get there.

What's so scary about emailing CIC? As long as he didn't change his course of study I don't see the big deal. In said email, he would clearly state that the other admission came later, but was his favorite choice all along. He would also say that he will go to the ON school if they advise him to stay with it. These people (whoever mans CIC emails) are humans and they respect honesty not deception. I did give @myb012 the option of emailing anonymously too.

Alternatively he could scour the internet for someone who recently had the same problem as him and see how they solved it.

TempusQ:
Don't email Accra CIC please,
firstly, make sure you secure your Manitoba admission...
Once you land in ON, go for a refund (digest your ON school refund policy)...
Enter Manitoba, do your registration and inform CIC of your changes.
You'll be fine.

ISTBC!!!

Yup that's right. Applying to at least four schools, with your CGPA (regardless of the fact that you were best in your class), hedges against the risk of not being accepted by at least one school. This is not to scare you; even applicants with high CGPAs dont always get into all the schools they apply to. Remember that many schools, for certain courses especially, receive loads of applications from competitive applicants.

pascal2young:
hmmmmmmm......oh..k.....dat means 4transcript nd reference letters

Also, I would recommend that you apply to at least four schools. One of the schools should be one in which the applicant pool for your course is not extremely competitive, in order to have at least one "safety" school.

pascal2young:
about 100 students

If you were best in your class you have a really good chance. You will need one of your recommenders to mention this in the recommendation letter tho. They'll need to say how many people were in your class too. What school did you go to and how many people were in your class?

Also, pls package yourself extremely well. As in, an excellent SOP. Check one of my posts from a few days ago for my thoughts on the content of an grad school application SOP.

pascal2young:
was thinkn o applying to Uni of alberta and calgary buh with wat u guess are saying am kinda scared cos i had a cgpa of 3.67.....although graduated best in my class nd a toefl of 100......wats ur suggestn e-famz

Statement of Purpose

grabeconnie:
Hello guys,
I want you know the meaning of SOP?
Please I will be looking for your answer.

I would recommend you write an email to Accra CIC asking them directly. It won't hurt to just ask them.
Please get back to us once they respond.

If you are scared about the implications of asking directly, maybe you could ask them using an anonymous email address? If I were you though, I would just ask them using my real name, telling them why I changed my mind at the last minute and why the other program is better for me. See what they say. This is the safest approach, and if they say you can do it, make sure you keep the email printout with you during your travel.

myb012:
I av the acceptance letter for the school in manitoba already for the same start date with the one in Ontario 31st aug

myb012:
No1 wants to ansa me

Please endeavor to read previous pages (or do a creative google search where you add "nairaland" to your search phrase) of the thread.

Anyways, here's what I found:
@richcasey and @Gods1son wrote about your question here.
@Ajishegs and @akanni also talked about it here.

I did a google search using "trv change school nairaland canada" as my search phrase. You could ask any of the above nairaland users who previously asked/answered the question to see if their strategy worked.

Abeg google "Five Eyes" -- it is a bit intriguing actually.

In any case, yeah I really doubt they would invent new reasons (though they have the right to do so). It would be really bad if they did and would imply that the formality of the application/rejection process is really just a charade.

standupguy:
Lol it was a wide guess bro. Please what is "Five Eyes Countries"?
Same thing I have been thinking, make they no create critirea on top person head.
Though I personally think it will be a joke for them to resurrect another reason after effectively addressing there financial reasons. This people can be unpredictable.

Ah ok. But it is still risky and not recommended, no?

GboyegaD:
You don't need a U.S. visa since you don't have to go to the U.S. for anything. Once it is approved, you drive to the closest border to you, make a U-turn and that border point becomes your PoE where your study permit will be printed and given to you. I have met a few people who did same.

Wow, I try to be as incognito as possible... how did you infer that I'm likely in Canada?
Well you are almost right, I went to uni in one of the "Five Eyes" countries. I finished all education a while ago.

It seems likely that you would get the visa given that finance was the main reason your application was denied both times. Or does the embassy sometimes invent new reasons to deny subsequent applications? I mean, could they this time turn around and deny for "purpose of visit" in a second or third application even though they didn't tick it in the previous applications (everything else in the application being the same). I've not seen that on this thread and I hope for your sake and my sake that they don't get this schizophrenic.

standupguy:
No update yet o Brother,I am kind of worried its taking this much time, my app is about six weeks old.
I like to believe I blocked all my loopholes too.
I paid of my entire tuition (2yrs) and my fixed deposit alone is enough to cover at least 13 months living expenses if I was spending 1000 CAD monthly.
I also submitted my SOAs and stock evaluation.

I assume you are already in Canada? Which school?

@GboyegaD, but isn't this extremely risky and unlikely?
This is only somewhat doable if you already have a US visa, but even in this case the Canada VOs in Los Angeles are likely to deny such application unless you have an extremely plausible argument. Also, applying for a US visa while in Canada on a visit visa is not recommended! Rejection probability is very high as you are expected to have applied in your home country particularly as you are in Canada on a "mere" visit visa.

otosa:
it possible to convert visit visa to study visa over there?

GboyegaD:
Yes you can convert it. You are to apply to the consulate at Los Angeles.

It's all good bruv.

On another note, I strongly benefited from your earlier posts about your previous delays that were due to "insufficient funds". My sister got delayed for the same reasons (no other reasons ticked, only funds). Your post-mortem about your GCMS was very informative! We have now paid for more than one year of tuition + accommodation and included a detailed spreadsheet breaking down her costs and funds available. It made no sense why she was initially refused given that the bank statement was eight times more than the total tuition and accommodation. We think the VO had reservations about the sponsor's commitment as well as the fact that we didn't include my sister's SOA. We now think we have plugged every hole in that area. I am on this forum primarily on her behalf... she is super busy with work so I figure I'd be her "agent", lol.


Thanks for your contributions! Any updates on your study permit application?

standupguy:
Honestly there was no single agression intended in my previous post....

Abeg you and @AriseOCompatrot should end your quibbling. I felt you could have been more diplomatic (without compromising your point) in your initial disagreement with him, but I agree with you that he took it to a different level of attack and pettiness.

@AriseOCompatrot, no vex o. We all benefitted from your MBA admission story, so no personal gripes against you.

standupguy:
Ogbeni you are the one taking things too seriously here, plus this your " IGNORE THE MESSAGE AND ATTACK THE MESSENGER APPROACH" is quite classic. This is a public forum you should know that every discussion here is meant for public consumption so when I hypothetically said 2-3yrs is had nothing to do with you. For what its worth you did not refute any of the misinformation you dished out there which I tried to debate and correct.

You are welcome. What's the response rate to your emails?

I think someone on this thread posted how to structure such emails. Oh, found it: @invincible2006 shared these tips on getting a research supervisor.

jayooh:
OK, thanks for the insight
Just that these profs won't reply my mails, you gat any 2cents on how to get them to?