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Nike, sorry to hear about your delay. In order to better help you, could you list all the documents that you submitted for your application?

Also, what course did you study for your BSc and when did you graduate? What course is the college graduate certificate admission in and what's the length?

adenikky07:
.... guyz I need ur help on aw to tackle my reasons for denial.thnx will be waiting for ur prompt response,here re the reasons .
purpose of visit,length of propose stay,family ties in canada and in country of residence,personal asset and financial status I applied for a college graduate cert. Thnx in anticipation.

Chei @berexio1, I dey try quench the tension, you dey pour petrol on top. Lol @ IELTS.

@Graviton2, didn't mean to insult you.
Moving forward, I hope you will be open to opposite opinions and not make snide, combative, or summarily dismissive remarks to counter-arguments. I am glad we are on the same page now sha. Ma binu. Ndo. Ote. Sannu.

We are all brothers in the struggle. I'm rooting for you.

@soji0509, thanks bruv. In my opinion, stubbornness in the face of facts (or plausible arguments) is one of the worst impediments to learning and growth. In my life I mostly run away from people who exhibit these traits; to me this is toxic and draining. From experience, the fastest way to stall in Canada or any other developed country is to be overconfident with wrong information or to lack the willingness to carefully evaluate opposite opinions. The only reason why I garnered the patience/persistence to educate @Graviton2 (in spite of his dismissive and uninformed arrogance and ignorance) was so that current/future readers of this thread would not be misled or given false hope. Thanks to @SeraSera for helping as well.

@honey86: yes, you hit it right on the money. That anyone would suggest it is "ridiculous" to imagine that the US/Canada/EU might share visa applicant information is incomprehensible to me. @justwise: Indeed, I can only imagine their motivations for vigorously denying the possibility of said information sharing.

@brandymcmb: thanks for your effort to defuse the tension of the conversation

I live in a different time zone and it is daylight here. I am not on this thread for myself, I am on here for my sister.

brandymcmb:
Goan sleep jare

@Graviton2, there is no need to be combative. I did clarify that I do not know if EU/US/Canada share ban information with each other, but that I think it is highly likely they do. I later proved that the US & Canada indeed share such information with each other. I don't know if Canada/US share such information with the EU, but I would advise applicants on this thread to make the safe assumption that they do (given a lot of information sharing precedents in this age of terrorism).

Also, I stated that I am open to being wrong, but you seem to want to be right at all costs; your first reaction to all three articles I posted was dismissal. It is really difficult having a conversation with you if your first reaction is to want to be right at all costs.

Edit: the US/Canada agreement was three years ago, if that counts as recent

Graviton2:
"Spreading" misinformation? Okay. From what I understand the law was passed recently. I called attention to an attestion that's been on official documents for years now.

Anyway, thesoj said data was also shared with EU and "other countries". I failed to see anything about that on the links you both provided. So he wasn't entirely correct...That IS misinformation.

@Graviton2, did you click on the CIC and US State Department links I posted? @SeraSera also posted links.
If you don't believe them, then I'll let you choose to be blissfully and deliberately ignorant. I don tire.

I see where you are coming from. But see, thanks to Edward Snowden, we now know to not believe false promises of respect of privacy by the US government. Do you follow American news? If so, you would find out that the US Government arrogates to itself the rights to violate its own promises of privacy (even to its own citizens and residents, let alone noncitizens applying for visas). Lots of Edward Snowden leaks confirmed this. In any case, the Globe and Mail article (a credible newspaper) I posted is 99.99% likely true given that it was not disputed by any of the US or Canadian immigration official quoted, and given that there are plentiful precedents. Whatever is written on the official document you quote is truly written there, but then America/Canada and its allies do what they want regardless. Cheers. The larger point here is let's not make overconfident assertions without leaving room for alternate opinions.

Edited:
Articles on CIC and US State Department websites confirming sharing of visa applicant information--
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/backgrounders/2012/2012-12-13.asp
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/12/202065.htm
@darefestus and @Shegzy2912, hope you are reading; you all stand corrected.

Graviton2:
Googled the said law "signed" without much fanfare. No authentic or verifiable result.
Official documents or articles off the web, which to believe?

This proves my point. You stand corrected. I don't think it helps readers on this page when confident assertions are made without room for being challenged.

I am ok with being wrong, and I qualified my claims by saying it is "likely". I know I'm often wrong and I'm okay with finding out the facts. Please read the above link and stand corrected.

Graviton2:
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My brother, no need for snide remarks. It's okay to have amicable disagreement.

Visa ban information is not the same as the applicant's personal information, just FYI. Have a good day.

Graviton2:
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Graviton2:
Canada and the United States do not share data on applicants, bro.

How do you know this? Perhaps they don't share applicant visa application data, but I wouldn't be surprised if they shared data on which individuals they have banned from their countries (what I suspect). Do you think they would announce to the whole world that they share data on who is banned from each other's country? This is the age of Edward Snowden; we know for certain that governments lie all the time. In any case, my assertion in my initial post assumes that if you were banned from Canada, you would be obliged to state it on your visa application to any other country, in which case you likely wouldn't be allowed into those other countries as well.

Graviton2:
It has been established by both individual embassies that no information given by applicants will be shared with a third party without the applicants' consent.

In addition, both countries are sovereign states so such information is rarely shared except in the case of a possible threat...

I am not a fan of blanket assertions like the boldened. Being sovereign states does not stop any country(ies) from sharing data that they collectively deem beneficial. Canada and US are neighbors, and I would not be surprised if they shared data on which applicant has been banned from either country, at least for national security or even economic protectionist reasons and more. Also, don't forget that Nigeria is now in the category of countries that are associated with terror threats (thanks to Boko Haram), so I would make the safe assumption that ban data on Nigeria applicants in the US *may* be shared with their counterparts.

Graviton2:
... It is indeed ridiculous that anyone would believe info is shared between the two embassies. It doesn't even sound right.

Next time, please read before you make assertions -- in the initial post you are referring to, I never wrote that info is shared between embassies. I assume that you are obliged to mention a Canada ban in any future visa applications to any other country, in which case you likely wouldn't be granted a visa during the term of said ban. (Edited: I just realized that I indeed wrote that these countries share ban info with each other. I clarify that I don't know if they share such info, but to be on the safe side it is better to assume they at least share info on banned applicants. It is highly likely that Canada and US share info on banned applicant names [not all applicant data])

Shegzy2912:
bros please explain more. What do you mean by they don't share data on applicants?? And do they really verify docs??

I think you need to stop being preoccupied with how you can scheme the Canadian embassy with falsified documents.

As some other people mentioned, I think your "insufficient funds" delay was due to the signature discrepancy in your sponsor documents. If I were the VO, the discrepancy would cast doubt on the sponsor documents. You should consider applying again after fixing these issues, and not repeating the same mistake.

funmi14:
Hummm... my brother, is more than 4m of a thing. Mine after medical stil insufficient fund with 33m sponsor acct closing balance, personal 2m fixed deposit, salary acct 1.1m, Dom. acct of around $5k+ et al (All to tackle previous reason of insufficient fund). Maybe they are expecting us to have 1Billion in our acct like Dangote son.
#CIC quagmire.

If you don chop TRV, abeg share your profile (dates of submission/medicals as well as documents submitted) with the community na.

samade001:
As I chop trv NA God win

Could you share your profile?
Please list your documents and submission/delay date so people can learn and advise. Thanks.

senarthor:
All is well bro, mine was only financial... God's time is the best

I would recommend you take a one or two day break from your SOP, go do other things you enjoy and then come back to it. This is one of the ways to defeat writer's block.

Your time away from the SOP will reset your mind and give you the clarity that you need. I would recommend trying as hard as possible to finish writing at least one decent draft before looking at another person's SOP. You want to make sure your SOP is personalized; after you take the one or two day break, think deeply about what are your motivations to do an MPH and how you can use it to better Nigeria. It is possible that you don't know what to write because you have not thought deeply enough about your own motivations for getting an MPH.

Also, whatever you do, do not plagiarize another person's SOP!

Sjvictor21:
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Click here to search for university programs in Canada, brought to you by @richcasey

Also, in the future, don't type in all capital letters; it is the online equivalent of shouting. I'd also recommend against posting your cell number on a public forum.

seyilapy:
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Reading about these post-medicals refusals is enough to drop one's morale.
It seems the criteria for getting a study permit TRV has become a moving target that is moving faster than one can adjust to it.

Nerdy joke alert: It is the ultimate random variable with an unknown probability density function, haha.

Let's not give up sha. I suppose the best we can do is to make our applications as perfect as humanly possible, in order to reduce the probability of being delayed. I should also add that though morale is low, the community on this thread makes things easier.

ayooluwatoni:
Morale just low for here! The thing is, these people can only try, they cannot stop whatever plan God has for us. So I'm just gonna encourage the people that got delayed not to be discouraged. It's okay if you take a little time out, just to think and re-strategize, but please don't give up; there's a way nature payback those who don't give up. For the TRV hopefuls (the category to which I belong), pls let's put our trust in God, while we prepare for the worse, not because we don't have faith, but because our requests may not always be granted (that is why it is a request and not a command). Lastly for those that are yet to submit their applications, please don't panic, don't be discouraged, just learn from some of these mistakes, and plan to give it one nice shot, as if it's actually gonna be your last shot!
May God in His infinite mercy grant our heart desires......
Cheers

I don't mean to sound critical, but I was thinking that if you apply again, you should consider boosting your sponsor's SOA balance and/or include the SOA of your co-sponsors in the US. From the URegina website, the annual tuition for your program is $26,135CAD; assuming $14,000CAD for total living expenses, this sums up to ~$40,000CAD which is N6.13m. Your sponsor's SOA is basically this exact amount, plus an additional $7k -- I suspect that the VO had issues with this, as I would if I were the VO.

E go beta.

Crich:
Hello guys.
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Insufficient funds, travel history, personal asset, and family ties in Canada n Nigeria....

Your student account statement is as good as a tuition payment receipt. Just make sure you explain in your SOP (or your sponsor's letter) that the funds were transferred to cover your tuition for one year (or however long). Also attach a transfer receipt from your uncle/sponsor, showing it was he that transferred it.

The insurance policy thing you mention sounds dodgy! I can't for the life of me see how an insurance policy person would "do something" to arrange a visa for you sharp sharp. Tell him/her to explain exactly what will be done. In any case, I suggest you ignore this officer unless it is explained and sounds plausible and legal! Even still, I would ignore this offer. Sounds like the person is trying to sell you snake oil.

As per the bank statement, yes the inflow and outflow matters BUT the balance as of the date it was printed matters considerably! I'm not as concerned about the money in the account going down after the statement has been submitted... the embassy can only legally verify the authenticity of the statement not the content of the account after the statement date. But, keep in mind that the embassy reserves the right to (at a future date) ask you to send them an updated copy of the balance statement after or before your medicals -- this happened to someone in one of the earlier parts of this thread (but this rarely happens sha, from what we see on this thread).

Also, if you have these concerns, have you considered getting a co-sponsor? N4m is a bit small given that you are effectively going for a four-year program and annual costs would be at least $18,000CAD ($8000CAD tuition + $10,000CAD living expenses).

A fixed deposit in your name is not a bad idea, as long as its maturity is when you would need the money for school. You may need to explain this in your SOP.

onyemamuoc:
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Wow, this is the deepest theological phrase I've ever seen on this thread. I feel like most people just dey serve a vending machine god.

Crich: so sorry to hear about the delay. It makes me so nervous for my sister's application.

Crich:
Thanks dear.
I'm not serving God cos of His blessings but because He loves me and I love Him. It's just sweet and unconditional.

Bros, use your uncle as a sponsor. You would know this if you had been reading previous pages of this thread. My guy, you need to step up your game! Read read read!!!!! Don't be lazy, no offense intended. Just start from page one of Part 8, it shouldn't take you more than four days to read. Also, Google is your friend. Whatever you do, do not send in forged documents.

Shegzy2912:
oh!! Thank you brother.. It just that I heard it will be preferable my direct parent should be my sponsor and their accounts should range from like 30m and above but I have an uncle who have up to that amount in his account but I don't know if it still okay if I use him and for the tuition fee, I have about 1.5m at hand now hope it not too small?

Ah! Don't do it. I understand you may be desperate, but even mentioning such on this forum is not good for Nigerian applicants, most of whom use honest documents. Also, you do know that US VOs are on Nairaland, so it isn't far fetched that Canadian VOs browse this thread to see what new tricks people are up to.

In any case, yes they do verify whenever there is doubt in which case they would definitely find out and you would be banned from Canada for probably five to ten years (which basically means ban from US and EU and other countries that share such data with each other).

If you don't have the money to pay for at least one year's tuition and living costs, then I'd recommend you figure out a way to get the money first. You will suffer in Canada if you go there empty-handed.

Shegzy2912:
yea the tuition fee was stated in the acceptance letter- $16,000CAD and the little problem am having now is that someone told me....

Oh yeah, those are two different things. You will eventually have to register for classes by the registration deadline. But this doesn't stop you from sending an estimated amount that would cover the tuition beforehand, if that's what you'd like to do.

You can easily estimate your tuition by looking at costs per course and multiply that by how many courses you would take as a full time student. Your student permit info document sent by your school will already contain the estimated annual tuition costs anyways so you may not need to estimate it yourself.

Shegzy2912:
university of Regina.. I was told by the school too that I can send any amount to my student account but it's compulsory I register for classes before the resumption date so as to know the amount am to pay every year out of the total tuition fee. the tuition fee is $16,000CAD

No it is not compulsory. Some people pay because they want to show the VO their commitment. But lots of people don't pay beforehand yet still get their visas. Those who are highly advised to pay are those previously rejected for "insufficient funds".

Hmm, about registration before paying tuition. I think it depends on the specific school. My sister's school's website states that one has to register before paying tuition, however we called the university's students account office and they said we can send any amount of money to her university student account even before registering. This is what we did. The school said that once she registers, they would apply the money to her tuition and then issue her a check for whatever balance is left of what we sent them. You should call your school's bursar or student accounts office to find out. What school are you going to?

Shegzy2912:
brother, Please, is it compulsory to pay all school fees before you apply for visa or maybe part of it? and besides, the registration of classes, can you please explain more about it to me cause I heard I have to register classes before I pay tuition fee so as to know him much the level of money am gonna pay in the fee

Paper route is better if you have a lot of documents. Otherwise, I don't see a difference (although online applicants claim they can better track their application progress).

Given that you have already paid tuition (for a year? a semester? or the whole program?), your brother-in-law should specify in his letter that he has paid your full tuition for the first year (or semester or whatnot) as a demonstration of his commitment to funding your degree. He would then indicate that the N4m balance is after the tuition payment. Please do attach the sponsor funds transfer receipt as proof that it was he that sent the money (you would also attach the payment receipt from the school). Also make sure the sponsor letter is comprehensive: sponsor should state exactly how much he would give you every year (e.g. "minimum of C$25,000 per year" ), possibly even detailing how or with what frequency he would make the payment; your bro-in-law should also explain exactly why he is sponsoring you given that he is not a direct family member (as in parent or sibling)... pls don't take this part lightly oh!

By the way it is difficult to know if a N4m balance would be ok given that you haven't told us how much your annual expenses are and how long you program is.

This link here from @pchax contains a sample sponsorship letter and affidavit of support. Do not copy it, just use it as a guide and adapt it to your specific situation.

For the school payment receipt: email the bursar's office or student accounts office. They should be able to give you a receipt for the payment, regardless of if it has been applied to your tuition. Such a receipt would only be proof that they received the money, this is all you need. This is what my sister did; we transferred one year's worth of total expenses and they provided a student account receipt. They definitely should be able to provide you with such document.

onyemamuoc:
make una help....every and any information is welcome!!!

-which visa application route is best. paper/online

-I'm using my brother in law as my sponsor and I also wanna use my dad's landed properties documents just to up my chances and see if it could also serve as home ties since my uncle isn't a direct family member. I don't know if this step is ok.

-his SOP's ending balance is 4 million but the overall transaction recorded in the account is 60m for three months statement and 100m for 6months statement. is it okay...I have paid my full tuition tho

-please can anybody here help me with a sample of consent letter and sponsorship sample letter. I read about a consent form, don't know it's relationship to consent letter.

-then, I emailed my school and requested for some sort of payment proof for tuition, they're now telling me to register for courses to obtain that. how does that sound?

-someone please HELP OUT!...-I'm going for pre-nursing, Brandon University.

Hmm another BSc, in Social Work, won't necessarily cause a delay. You will just have to convince the VO in your SOP why you are making this change. You will write about experiences you've had (since finishing your first BSc) that shaped this new passion of yours. If you've done lots of volunteer activities that demonstrate your new passion in social work, then you would include all that in your SOP as well as supporting evidence for same in your application. You would in general talk about the things you have done that demonstrate your passion for social work, and how this new training would help you make a greater impact in Nigeria in a number of areas that you would discuss in the essay. The SOP would have to be very convincing, and I think this is doable.

twizzie:
Thanks..Just seeing this.. Well, that;s the issue..I haven't made up my mind yet... I have a bsc in Technology Management and I have been working for a while but the issue is I want to change career completely.. I want to do what I am passionate about which is Social work.. I know I cant do a PGD straight as I have no background in social work so I might have to do another Bsc which is almost a reason for a delay...

Not true. Just Google it na!
Here is a link showing you Scotiabank's exchange rates:
http://www.scotiabank.com/ca/en/0,,1118,00.html

kennykentipsy:
am just confused ....chatting with a girl in Canada about funds.. she was like if u coming into Canada with USD that Canada would rubbish it for u cos they also try to protect the CAD against USD cos it getting weaker

she said they would convert it like 1 USD -1 CAD

and foreign ATM charges ar killing

Yes, ask for a refund. I agree with @ayooluwatoni. The school should be able to refund you... but do go on the school's website to first read up on their refund policy. Email CIC asking them about withdrawal and to check if it will affect future applications -- I doubt it would though.

I recommend you check the school refund policy asap, because some schools hold part of your money and won't give 100% refund unless you were denied a visa.

tiredof9ja:
Thanks for the info, I really appreciate. @thesoj Please do you suggest I should just ask for refund since the program doesn't meet up with my plans. If yes Will I have to Withdraw my Application and hope withdrawing my application won't ruin my future chance of getting TRV / Study Permit. Thanks

I found a better and clearer CIC page.
@tiredof9ja: No, you cannot work off campus since your program is not six months in length.

ayooluwatoni:
Bro I think it states you must be enrolled in a designated learning institution and the program should lead to a degree before you can be issued a work permit, so if the institution he/she is applying to is not designated, I doubt if there will be a work permit. Not 100% sure though

Ayo: yup you are likely right!
@tiredof9ja: hope this helps

ayooluwatoni:
Bro I think it states you must be enrolled in a designated learning institution and the program should lead to a degree before you can be issued a work permit, so if the institution he/she is applying to is not designated, I doubt if there will be a work permit. Not 100% sure though

Chei sorry o.

1. Here is a page from CIC that answers your first question about study permit for short courses less than six months.

2. If you do not apply for a study permit, then you cannot work. The link above, however, states you can still apply for a study permit even if your program is shorter than six months (though it is not required). This CIC page states you can work if you have a study permit, and does not make distinctions around program length. I'm not sure if it answers your question clearly.

3. Yes, you can renew a study permit from inside Canada -- this is the advantage of applying for one even if your program is shorter than six months. See the first link to read directly from CIC.

PS: Please learn to make Google your close friend so you don't get duped by agents again. I found all this information in less than five minutes.

tiredof9ja:
Good evening good people of nairaland. I have already got myself into the hand of an Idiot called Agent before I found this thread through Google. Below are the summary of my situation: The so called Agent introduced to me a Three (3) Months Training Program which is schedule to hold in Ontario Canada between 7th of September, 2015 through 11th of December, 2015. Course fee and other charges already paid through him amounted to about 1.3million naira. In short we have submitted Application for Temporary Residence Visa since 30th of June, 2015 still praying and hoping for the TRV. Please I need your assistance in the following area: 1. Is there anything like study Visa in Canada below 6 months? If Yes 2. Can someone work with it? 3. Is it renewable there in Canada? Your prompt response will be appreciated God bless..

@hayqinsbFX, I think there's a possibility that @Kesse2012 has a TRV for another purpose.
@Kesse2012, had you previously made a successful study permit application to CIC (before this most recent application)? If no, then you still need to apply for a study permit, regardless of if you already have a TRV for a different purpose.

A TRV enables you to enter Canada. It is an entry document for an explicit purpose (visiting or study or business or whatever). It is different from a study permit. If your TRV was not issued for study, then you have to apply to CIC for a study permit.