₦airaland Forum

freshkpomo:
who is arguing with you? There are no swamps in Edo, It's mostly land then some Waters. The mangrove swam is mainly Lagos and the core part of Niger delta. Go to Edo houses you hardly see a family with 5+ children, but this is common with most tribes having 8-10 children in one room.

So, did I say anything of swamp being on Edo? Stop justifying unnecessary arguments.

macof:
You too keep your silly self shut. You are even less intelligent than he is


Does this look like a person ready for intellectual conversation or a person trying to force a mere claim as fact.
Saying I can hide from the truth, what truth?
What does he or you know about history

You are so dull that you can't differentiate between a person stating a view while being open to change their mind and a person trying to force you to accept what is beneath your level of awareness and knowledge without room for conversation. How can you go around claiming oduduwa is a Bini Prince and add "you can hide from the truth but can't change it"
What makes that the truth? What argument did he present, what evidence? And you reply me saying this nonsense.

You expect me to keep repeating myself to you guys who keep repeating the same nonsense you pick up from your blogs to satisfy you?
If you cannot see my input on this forum then you need mental evaluation, cus nobody on the culture section is unaware of my inputs.

I can smell your stinking mouth even though is on the internet. Why do you lack comprehension. Most of your details are either attached with insults or trying to belittle other tribes while you make input. You're simply a �.... nonsense.

freshkpomo:
Edo people are proud because of their history and so they don't give birth much and tend to mock other tribes giving birth to 10 children in one room. That's why the population is moderate. Till date, polygamy in Edo does not equate many children, they see you as a rabbit when you have too many offsprings.

Chisus, so Igbos, Ashanti and Ibibio that are monogamous too, how did they bear children. Your argument seems like a primary ones child reasoning

macof:
Keep your silly self quiet.

What do you know. You think this is edoworld.com where you get all those retarded nonsense to massage your little fragile Bini ego

You too keep shut. What input are you making than insulting other peoples tribe and dignity. That's how you said '...we are not like Igbos who are land grabber...:

If you don't have anything to say than countering with insults, just keep your motuh shut. Nonsense...

The Edo man is giving his view and you're insulting him, for what reason? To shelter your pride. How horrible of you.

Since I've been viewing this thread there's nothing you've said that has made sense in any way, the Edo's are making much sense while you are shutting people here and there, and insulting other tribes just to feel good.

walcruise:
I can foresee tears and more chest beating from ipigs

Please be sane.

UGBE634:
It is the same energy I got from here,that is the same energy I am giving. "Your Oba was comfortable with few kilometres" that was bile and that is what I am agitated about. My sister I have Yoruba and Igbo friends offline, they are not like this. I am never like this, the level of bile and hatred I have seen against Bini here cannot be gotten anywhere else in the world, Like a child that is consistently flogged because she Is a child and can't stand up to anyone. Benin and her people are with good and bad features so with any other society on earth. I am shown enormous Level of love by this people offline only to come online and see some level of stark hatred and disdain for my people online. See how Emilokoiyawon was destroying Binis name in the mud until I stood up to him.

My dear, we all love Bini people, but certian people also make us scared with comments, especially toxic people on Nairaland too. I'll advise not to cause disdain on our rulers, whether is the Oba of Bini, Oyo, Ile-Ife and the Eastern rulers, we need to say what we know with factful knowledge, rather than rulership on someone, especially when there are no facts.

Urhobo and Ijaw people may not object because it is evident in their lands that Bini influence was solid.

But you don't expect someone from the East, or west, okay, if we had a pidgin Lingua of Bini or something that ties us with them, it would be understandble and all these arguments would be unnecessary

If the European countries had no evidence both externally and otherwise of Roman rule, do you think they'll solidify their presence, no. It's like that everywhere.

So, dear Bini and all, haven't you considered if these people are related in some way, that's the answer to all of these.

Don't mind people that tell you when you talk of rulership and dominance of people it makes them emotional and that's wrong. They have to be emotional, if you have the evidence, no one would say shingbay!!!! But when there are no such, with the logic to use the senses of observation by looking at cultures of the differing tribes, you can't just sit and accept it.

Bini is great yes, but I believe it is a place that seems more like the United States today, were different tribes came to be together and lived in harmony. It was a melting pot of cultures.

UGBE634:
It is the same energy I got from here,that is the same energy I am giving. "Your Oba was comfortable with few kilometres" that was bile and that is what I am agitated about

Read the comments, I felt Edo was troublesome. I and Samuk (he is Edo and a proud one at that) settled me down and talked it out. He even gave me proof of videos that made me keep quiet, thereby closing the chapter of the Bini and Igbo relationship.

I ain't against Oba being the supreme leader, I respect him for that. Oba akpor topeye.

But what I wondered about is why there wasn't an Edo influence in Igbo land, none. There's nothing we share that's related to the lifestyle of Bini. Until Samuk gave me that video, I had to watch and watch over again, to conclude that even though the east was a close neighbor to the Bini people, they probably were cousins rather than superior to subject.

The same way for Yoruba's, they probably were sisters to brothers. It shows we are one.
Perhaps that's why the Oba had no incentive to conquer all the lands because he knew they were related to them.

Watch the video, Bini was like Lagos presently, so people came there to trade and all from all tribes. It was a melting pot of cultures and all.

Bini is supposed to be revered but when you talk of conquering this tribe and this, it makes it disgusting when there's are no facts, especially if you observe it with your eyes in the East and the West. There's nothing in any sense that culturally ties this dominant tribes to Bini.

Please read the thread of the comments from the start of my argument and get my point.

UGBE634:
You that was suing for peace in the other thread is the same one displaying foolishness here. It seems you only sue for peace when you have been destroyed. You complain of bile, you have just the same level of bile you complain of. Not that you want peace, but you just hate the fact we are standing up to you guys now and in our numbers too EDORODION. I will rather die than watch you ridicule my place and not stand up for her never again

Are you okay? Do you read dates of comment at all? Being Edo does it make you low in comprehension that you can't look at date of comments before you talk.


And destroyed as in. Let me not start with you, because if I do I won't stop. I just stopped this Edo rabble of rulership, because your kinsmen gave me a good reason with videos attached why the Igbo and Edo are cousins rather than your test of conquering being sueprior to people that pass you.

You're talking of defeat what did Edo do, no corrupted language in the East, like you have with Urhobo or Ijaw, no cultural affiliation, no festival and you come to tell me silly stuff.

Go and read the comments and watch the video before you gain your sanity back.

PS: Stop making everyone feel that is only bad energy that's in Edo, it isn't right.

Chidorx60:
You raised a question but when answers are being proffered to you ,it's obvious you are closed minded on hearing the truth..
Just say you want to spite the Benin and will we know how to handle your type.
Benin influenced, infact even sold and used part of igbo land for slavery, also yes Benin kingdom left traces of their impact in the igbo's dressing,languages and dialects,..
And obviously formed the ancestry of many monarchs of igboland..

It's obvious you are not well travelled,well informed or even open minded enough and unbaised to see this ..what more could I expect from a Ghanian, it's funny that every single person find away to spite the great history of the Benin empire, why can't you all contain your obsession with Edo people, most of the history we claim is proved and documented by European eye witnesses...na wah for una o

You don't know anything and you don't want to know

No, no, no... someone had already answered the questions, laid out above, and the main question is, 'If the Bini people influenced the east in any way, why don't they speak a corrupted language of the Bini language or even have their cultural style in any way?"

Luckily your kin had given a good answer to it. Your the one that is not knowledgeable enough to know the fact through logic and observation.

Look at the thread the answer had been given couple with the videos that made me quiet. Love

BafanaBafana:
Mtcheeew!
Ipob with their primary 4 reasoning

And yours is kindgarten ..

Gentlerespect76:
Okay; we've heard. Bring on another shit. But before the next shitty topic remember that if ever the Igbo was a slave to the Binis, know today that the slave is way way above his masters financially, socially, economically, numerically and in all other facets of human labour and endeavour today! Oya bring it on, hater!

Okay, thank God you know now.

Please watch till the end, and get the full gist. He's facts are way too precise to be denied.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMy0QoFQpNY

Meninmen:
Your point is?

You're versed, read what I said and get the message, Meninmen. And I have the answer from Samuk and the rest, why the fight and struggle between the Yoruba and Igbo and the rest.

Have you ever thought you guys might be either brothers or cousins in someway, I believe this is what happened. Your fellow kinsmen showed me a video of the Igbo-Benin relationship, and I was awe-struck. This bickering isn't necessary, dear.

YungMillionaire:
Bini na hype nothing dey there. Its just noise. He ruled over a few villages and conspired with the Portuguese to man the West African coasts for the purpose of selling millions of Africans to slavery. Binis legacy is slavery. Nothing more.

Please stop, the Igbos and Bini people are cousins. Read the post and watch the video that he kept, you'll understand.

It shows why the Oba didn't desire to attack or raid all of the south east and all.

samuk:
There are various sub Igbo clans across the east that either claim Benin ancestry or claim the Oba of Benin himself as Igbo.

Benin is all over Igbo history. Like I said earlier, places in the east that didn't come under direct control of Benin was indirectly influenced by Benin migrants that migrated there.

Hundreds of years ago, places were not exactly the same as they are today, Benin interests would have also varied.

Unlike the Europeans that acknowledge their past history, most Nigeria would rather deny Benin rule and influence over their lands, they even go as far as to twist the historical narrative in their favour. Even Benin names in such places are deliberately misinterpreted in attempts to deny Benin influence in such places.

Below are few stories of Benin told by Igbos. Benin was all over southern and part of middle belt Nigeria.

Maybe you should take your reservations up with your fellow Igbos making these various claims about Benin below.

The Oguta kingdom was established in like manners to the Benin Kingdom of Nigeria. Many people in Oguta believe that the Oguta people migrated from the ancient Benin Kingdom. They argue that the administrative set up, titles and common names have similarities to those of Bini people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Eze-Igwe - Wikipedia

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.bbc.com/igbo/afirika-48565792&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiPgLLynb7tAhXI2qQKHaWeBrQQFjAOegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw3am-fbxDHnMAVrzuqkDP9h


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4xXMdK8HYQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytmPqtA65YY

Okay dear, now it makes sense, do you mean they are like cousins, the Igbo and the Bini people? If so it's now plausible, I watched the videos. Now, it makes sense, they were migrating and that's how he found the Kingdom and all.

I was so confused with all these. This just shows that most people in the South are literally brothers and one, but why the fight of who is superior to who? Very pitiful. Now, I can tell my mom this, and show her the video, let me see her reaction.

I love the aspect of unity rather than we were ruling you and all, even if it is there in hsitory, we are still one kind.

samuk:
Benin hardly wrote her history, infact it wasn't till the middle of the 20th century that a Benin person made the first attempt to write down Benin history. The best the Benin did in documenting her pre colonial history was in her artefacts.

The greatness, the influence of the Oba and the extent of the Benin empire were independently documented by Europeans who were actually eyewitnesses to what they wrote down since the 1400s.

For example Ida is in the middle belt of Nigeria, which is much further away from the east to Benin. In the 1500s the Europeans wrote about the Benin Ida war which the Benin worn against the Attah of Igala.

In 1602 a Dutchman wrote about how Lagos was already a military garrison with Benin soldiers that daily reports back to the Oba in Benin city.

It was documented that the Oba of Benin control a distance of 200 miles along the coast up to Dahomey. I am sure you have heard of the bight of Benin.

It was documented that the Oba of Benin had a standing army and could mobilise a military force of 100,000 soldiers in 24 hours.

It was documented that Europeans and Dutch mercenaries served in the Benin army. Benin was the first significant kingdom to acquire guys and canons, these with European mercenaries serving in Benin army greatly helped the Oba expand the Benin kingdom.

There was no force that was able to invade and defeat Benin since her written history began in the 1400s until 1897 when British destroyed the city.

Irrespective of what anyone may feel today, it doesn't change the fact that Benin history was independently written by Europeans eyewitnesses throughout the centuries beginning from the 1400s to 1800s.

Are you aware that Rome which is just a small part of Italy today once rule most part of Europe and part of North Africa? Infact Rome colonised Britain for 400 years. What national festival does Britain, Egypt and other part of Europe Rome once colonised have today to commemorate or celebrate Roman emperors or Rome. The difference between Africans and Europeans is Europeans acknowledges their historical past whilst Africa tries to downplay the achievements of their fellow Africans who is not of the same tribes as them.

Benin history is world history that wasn't written by Africans, so it's authenticity will always be acknowledged by serious historians because it was documented by eyewitnesses.

Have you read Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography about Benin/Onitsha relationship?

Some part of southern Nigeria that didn't directly feel the impact of the Oba of Benin rule were still greatly influenced by Benin people who migrated to those places. These Benin immigrants always become the ruling elites of those tribes, the reason you keep hearing various tribes across southern and middle belt Nigeria tracing their ancestral roots back to Benin.

Now when you talk of the Roman empire, their remnants can still be found in most parts of Africa and in Europe, one example in Africa is "The Great Alexandria" seaport of North Africa and more.

In Britain we have many that can be mentioned, and the Britons are proud that Rome is part of their history, followed with France, and the rest.

Now, the Bini people claim they ruled and ruled large expanse of land. They have no common cultural attire with the Igbo, language none, festival none, and all...that's one.

Secondly, the Oba seemed like he was thirsty to have more subjects under him, and as a king his worthy for that. The east was rich with not only resources that could be used for the Obas expansive agenda for that time, but people that can be applied to the military, why did he forsake them? The east, very well seems untouched to your Oba, in which you claim Igbos was under his rule.

The Obas main interest was the west, but I guess he tried but was resisted by them westerners.

And for the Onitsha and Bini relationship that you said doctor Nnamdi talked about, if they were so close, is it that they didn't know that there were more people like the Anambra people, and the Oba could conquer...my dear, this is all logic.

Using placards and bronze all isn't proof of rulership my dear, it was written by men (and please I'm not refuting that,)

But what bewilders me is the level of pristinity of the east when it comes to Benin. And if they influenced Onitshas why don't they speak a corrupted form of Benin at least, if they were in a so-called peaceful and harmonious relationship. It all doesn't make sense.

Meninmen:
I think you should go back and read my comment you quoted. That comment was a reply to someone who said that his village in the South east is bigger than Benin-City. I had to let him know that Edo state is bigger than 3 south east states combined, so there is no way his village will be bigger than Benin city.

As for other points you are making, sincerely, I don't understand!

You don't want to understand. I'm not speaking star trek language here. . Is it that the other villages in Edo aren't habitual or swamps, why aren't the population soaring in those parts?

flawlesskayc:
Hi all.

Has anyone worked towards or tried conceiving a particular gender and it worked??
Kindly drop tips, advise e.t.c.

Ps - Please Don’t come here preaching how every child is a child!.
WE ALL KNOW THAT!.

Thank you.

I’m a mom of 2 beautiful girls & would love to have a son next.

What is the meaning of this, mtcheww..

Meninmen:
My brother, I don't understand what you are saying. Edo is bigger than Anambra, Imo and Ebonyi combined. I gave you figures of the size of each state.

Which one is "it's population that makes the land". Does this statement make sense to you? Russia is the largest country in the world but China is the most populous country in the world. What has population got to do with the land mass of a state or country? Na wa o

Okay, so Bini people are glorying because of landmass, I don't get the point. Is it only the Land or the people that makes Oba powerful...

Okay, let me get the point, you're happy because the Oba has landmass and not conquering the people. It's good, I love history that's why I'm asking.

Then it just ends the matter that your Oba isn't powerful because of landmass, get your facts straights dear. Igbos (in whom I love dearly) were diplomatic and the Oba wasn't encouraged to conquer or have them subjugated. I guess that's why most of his affairs were barely westwards.

GoodFaith:
Government is now the "Insurance company"

Yes, or if he has insurance, he should use it. But take the girl for rehab and not guilt tripping the darling soul.

Meninmen:
I don't understand your point though. We all know Igbos are more than Edo people. Secondly, Africa is bigger than the US but west Africa bigger than the US? I don't think so.

Total area of west Africa- 6 million km2
Total area of the US- 9.834 million km²

Coming back home.

Total area of Edo state: 17,802 km²
Total area of Ebonyi state: 5,533 km²
Total area of Anambra: 4,844 km²
Total area of Imo state: 5,530 km²

So, Edo state is bigger than Ebonyi, Anambra, and Imo combined!

Are you talking about landmass or population per square meter? It's population that makes the land. If not the Sahara is more bigger and prosperous than Edo.

GoodFaith:
Why should the government pay?

She's a child, and the parents had no knowledge. It is the governments obligation to pay through the taxes earned. Children are like that, they go around playing with stuff.

This is the reason African parents need to buy more toys for their children. That could be one of the reason.

And even if the government pays, the returns would still come back to the government (us) so it's no big deal.

Haba, the government should pay and they should take it easy on the child. She's just a child.

habiham:
I wonder why all this our so called kings in yoruba land giving chieftaincy title to other tribes as if they accord same to yoruba in the land

Please keep shut, you want change but you don't want unity, stop contradicting yourself. What would the title do? Isn't it showing a form of friendship and civility to other tribes?

We need this sort of unity more than ever.

Meninmen:
You are the bigger fool. If Edo state is bigger than the 5 south eastern states put together, how come your village which is a tiny dot in 5 tiny dots combined be bigger than Benin that makes a large portion of Edo state?

Ozuor that can't reason!

It's not about the size of the land mass but the population that counts. A cartographer can tweak the landmass, but a censor finds it hard by tweaking population, because the more you see the numbers the more you keep shut.

Whites have reduced most African countries or states, making them smal, do you know all of west Africa is bigger than the US combined, but check your map, they've made it seem like U.S is bigger than all African states.

davidnazee:
Well what has everything you read about Edo history suggests? Even if u don't believe them..
We didn't write them, most were documented hundreds years ago.

What you say about Olauduah Equiano isn't new, since his statement was published here Igbos have been denouncing him lol..

As for celebrating the Great Obas of Benin, when has Africans ever appreciated or acknowledged fellow Africans not of their tribe? We always put each other down because we feel we are better than fellow Africans..

Your concern about Edo is enough proof that Edos influence in your tribe..

Fact:: Many years ago, Edo ruled parts of Yoruba lands (Eastern yoruba) ruled all of Western Igbos, and parts of east igbos like onitsha and parts of Anambra according to Equiano..

Africans don't do that. Most Ekiti-parapo people would say they aren't like other Yoruba's but still honor the Oni and all, the same with other tribes.

For the Igbos, we have Nsibidi, which originally came from Cross River, and we honor it in our lands. Your logic in-between didn't really make sense to me.

davidnazee:
You say you are partly Igbo, so go read about Olauduah Equiano, the first igbo person to write a book in 1770s.. He states that in his time before he was taken into slavery, the Oba of Benin was their ruler and his place (Anambra area) was part of Benin kingdom.

I've read about him. My question, goes to this. One man's details of origin shouldn't be for all. And as I've read and how enlightened I am, I observed that the Oba was in good heads with most strangers in the land in those period, the Portuguese and English alike. That gave him the advantage to sell his people, when the strangers had supplied them guns.

So, for Equinos case, it's his pedigree and he can stick with it.

My question is, if the Edo ruled all, at lease there needs to be some things in the lands indicating his past rulership. Like, roads named for him, a honourable festival, names that directly like to the Oba, and all that stuff.

Oba had also sold other tribes, Eluado's side shouldn't be the only deduction to the story, dear. Thank you.


And to add, Oba rarely expanded his kingdom in the east. I know the Oba desired to expand, was he afraid of the East that he rarely expanded, or the West. It's numbing as I even think of it.

after4:
You won't get good answer from nairaland. Look for maazi ogbonnaya on facebook and follow him. It's the trending issue now. Forget all these children on NL

Okay, dear. Thank you.

Patrioticbreed9:
igbos the politicised form of the ibo's in s.e, just like calling sub-saharan africa afrika, that afrika cant be used for the morocans,egypt etc..

Ibo is the corrupted lingual term of Igbo, dear. Please, get your facts straight. I'm Ashanti, by tribe in Ghana. And Igbo's are a sweet tribe, I'm happy I have their blood. I'm speaking for them based on my mom, she says it hurts when you hear someone call his or her self Alukam, or one Igbo name and still speaks fluent Igbo that his kin can hear him and say, "I'm not Igbo."
It isn't the Igbo expansive agenda or all that stuff, as you may say but being in this present strata or contraption, the only way to sought your freedom is to know your identity.

We have Arochukwu Igbo, Anambra Igbo I believe, and none of them didn't make
small towns of villages and seperated themselves.
The way Ikwerres are doing, is just the same way a central Igbo dialect would seeprate themselves and call themselves seperate. However, I can change what your ancestor from a particular lineage had decided to change based on troubles or political issues at a certian time in his or her life.

But if you go to Yoruba land, when you speak, and call your name, they'll still identify you as what...Igbo, go to the Americas and you'll still have the same results.

Only you can change it, you don't need to follow your two generations concept, but find the answers yourself, and know yourself.

Goldbw122:
Yeah we are.

What's your basis? Answer the questions on that. I told my mom that and she laughed, telling me to ignore you people. I want to know.

davidnazee:
We do not exaggerate about the size of our imperial expansion, it is LITERALLY documented.. You have read about it hence the reason for your jealousy and self torture..
You probably hate your ancestors for not giving you a powerful history like ours but truth is that they (your ancestors) tried and fought hard but were conquered by a MIGHTY POWER, the EDOS.

Is a lie, stop whitewashing this. And I'm sure your Oba has never claimed such. Only people like you going out with your agenda to feel like you have a presence when none.

I want to ask, my popsy is Ghanaian, and my mom is a beautiful Igbo women, who isn't conservative.

Since my stay in this platform. EDO people claim that they ruled and owned Yoruba, Igbo and most people in the South, Ijaws, and the rest included. I'm not shaking tables, biko. But how true is this?

If it is, why does the Oba rule a kingdom just a few meters stretch, why are there no festivals honouring the Oba? Why would the Oba lose his strongholds so quickly after Colonialism? These are major questions that needs to be answered. I want an answer to this.
Meda wo Ase medaase, and Dalu too