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Havertz10:
I understand this desire but calling him a flop, proposing that we loan him out and saying that he is amokachi is too much insult abeg

That's taking it too far. There is no way we are loaning Havertz out.

The Amokachi comparison is a compliment sef. Havertz is no where near The Bull's bundle of energy. Donjazet got that way off.

Mason Mount and Trevor Chalobah (red arrows) as ball boys in a Champions League night at Stamford Bridge.

Today they both play in the competition, with Mount a winner already.

#AlwaysBelieve

popizaino:
When I was blaming Mourinho for our absymal performances in the 2015/2016, people who were still using his time in Porto and his first stint at Chelsea to see him,rained all manners of insults on me, some even blamed my favourite Chelsea players then like Hazard, Fabregas and Mikel . for our woes, today I'm just wondering if this set of Chelsea players are still with mourinho at AS Roma

What is the correlation between Chelsea's performance under Mourinho 5, 6years ago and losing with Roma in Europa League? Wow!

Remind me who is to be blamed for our 2014/15 EPL trophy.

Mourinho have left Chelsea and coached Man Utd, Spurs and now Roma but somehow you had to connect his performance of many years ago to a lose last night. Haba! I still dey find where the connection dey...

Na wao.

timbros:
Time to introduce Saul. Rest Kante.

Coach wey sabi.

Time to introduce Saul. Rest Kante.

Another friendly reminder that this Man United team will play Salah and Liverpool at the weekend

I just pray they don't sack Ole. Like raumdeuter will say, they might stumble on a good coach.

Ice cold Kai.

Sweet goal.

Werner - Lukaku - Haaland

Ridiculously terrific

Is this guy seriously comparing Havertz to Mbappe abi na just an attempt to troll?

Amoto94:
Malmo boss Jon Dahl Tomasson:

“Andreas Christensen is one of the best defenders around. He’s had a great journey and has done tremendously well. The way he’s playing, he’s been a great inspiration for a lot of Danish people.”

Ah! So Tomasson is Malmo's coach.

Nice one

Friendly reminder that Man United will play this Liverpool team at the weekend.

kingBolton:
Ancelloti not hiddink

Thanks man.

Emaprince:
I think the only time we blew teams away was under mous first stint. 2005/2006. First 10 matches - 9wins 1draw. Manure collected 3-0 sef to give us the trophy.

Go check our results in 2009/10 season under Hiddink. We had lots of 4-0, 3-0, and 5-0 wins. We even ended the season with 8-0 trashing of Wigan.

Modified: Ancelloti, not Hiddink

izzou:
[color=royalblue]In our last 7 matches (all competitions), we only scored more than one again Tottenham, and against Southampton (after the red)

The rest has been 1-0, 1-0, 1-0

Shebi we are blowing teams away now?

Let me just rest my case here [/color]

You misunderstood that bolded you quoted. I never said we blow teams away now. That statement clearly means that the last time I can remember we blew teams away was 2009/10. Since that time, have we not been winning trophies? Chelsea is not known to post Bayern/Bundesliga type of scoreline.

1-0 is not a bad scoreline if you can maintain it till end of the match.

2004/05 Mou gave us the record of least goals conceded in a season. Do you know how many 1-0s we had that season?

raumdeuter:
The games I can remember

Bayern 3 wins Chelsea 1 win. 2 draws
Aggregates Bayern 15 Chelsea 10

Chelsea knocked out Bayern once.

Bayern knocked out Chelsea once.

Bayern won via penalty shootout in Super Cup.

MorataFC:
Yeah, they expect Bundesliga scoreline in every match.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Havertz10 has a very valid point.

Our attack is very blunt currently. If not for our defence, we would be where we are now.

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Goals scored after GW 8

Liverpool 22
Chelsea 16
Man City 16
Man Utd 16
West Ham 15

Tell me what is wrong with our attack. Consider too the opponents these 5 teams have met so far and tell me who is least likely to score more goals.

No one is arguing that our attack needs massive improvement, however I can't remember when last we blew teams away like 2009/10 season.

The league is very tough now. Lesser teams close up shop making life difficult for bigger teams. Even Man City nowadays scrape out 1-0 wins.

The Liverpool Havertz10 hail as attacking team relied on penalty to score us when we fall back to defend after James red card. Take away the 5-0 win over Watford and Liverpool's goal scored is similar to the top 5 listed above.

What exactly do you guys expect from Chelsea attack? Hattricks every weekend?

Havertz10:
I look at issues proactively, I will always consider the big picture

What's happening to us now is almost similar to what happened under Lampard, we are bearly winning games, it's often a struggle against any decent team, that isn't a good sign, Lampard was also positioned like this on the table, you people that did not like tuchel initially are arguing with us that liked him when we complain

You are using last season to decieve yourself but i'm talking about us now and going forward, we aren't dominating games, we have more defenders scoring goals than attackers, that isn't a good sign at all, aren't you ashamed, we played a team that just came from the championship and our keeper was MOTM, isn't that shameful we are european champions, we are playing pragmatic football and still struggling like cowards

You guys are always slow to catch up with reality

Brentford showed the stuff they are made of by thrashing Arsenal in the first game of the season. They won high flying West Ham away.

The Liverpool you used as an example of attacking team few pages ago collected 3 goals from them. I want to believe you prefer playing attacking football against Brentford and pick up just 1 point and conceding 3 goals in the process to playing pragmatic football and keeping a clean sheet with 3 points in the bag, no?

Aside Man City, can you tell me which team dominated us this season?

Defenders scoring isn't anything to be ashamed of. Chelsea as a club is always blessed with goal scoring defenders. Terry, Gallas, Ivanovic, recently Zouma, Alonso comes to mind. That is who we are. We don't depend on one player to score goals for us.

If you claim to look at the bigger picture, you would have seen our fixtures from the beginning of the season till Man City match and know we have the most difficult fixtures compared to our rivals. Southampton is the fixture swing. For us to be on top of the log right now is an achievement in itself. We can only get better going forward. This is what you should see when you look at the bigger picture. But evidently, you are not.

raumdeuter:
I am mentioning this season, you are going to last season to give teams who beat City. If I search next season i can also give a list of teams who took points off Bayern

Bayern is better than City and if City can be running over your EPL, imagine wat Bayern will do

Was Salah EPL trained before running over the entire league

What makes you say Bayern is better than City this season?

raumdeuter:
Which teams did you meet? God will direct that your TT towards Bayern this season. No be today e dey chop am

You talk as if Chelsea is Arsenal when playing Bayern. Check Bayern vs Chelsea H2H and tell me if Chelsea is a sure win for Bayern.

raumdeuter:
PSG and Bayern played 3-3 and PSG won on away goal. How will Chelsea knock out Bayern? So we can say Since this season

Tottenham beat City, City beat Chelsea means Spurs will beat Chelsea but we saw the results and didnt go that way

Same way City had injury to KdB and Aguero otherwise they will have 2000 points out of 112

As far as last season with TT is concerned, no team could have beaten Chelsea in UCL.

We were so good under TT that we conceded just 2 goals on our way to lifting the trophy.

Bayern wouldn't have done Jack.

raumdeuter:
Bayern also lost to Frankfurt 2 weeks ago, Frankfurt that hasnt won a single game before playing Bayern, Not forgetting that Bayern drew Mochengladbach

Why wont Bayern keep up with physicality of the EPL, There are teams who play Bayern physically and they end up losing like Augsburg and Union Berlin.
How is Man City able to cope and win the league titles easily? The Burnley that is very physical no be everytime dem dey collect cricket scorelines from City

The bolded should tell you that Fulham, Newcastle, Brighton etc can also win Bayern.

Let's face it, City have a deeper squad than Bayern. And most of City players are EPL trained already. Walker, Mahrez, Grealish, Foden (from academy), Stones, Sterling, even KDB. All these players are used to EPL already before going to City.

Don't compare City with Bayern.

raumdeuter:
PSG on away goal despite Bayern missing key players

Away goal or not, PSG knock Bayern out. City won PSG and Chelsea won City...... So I can tell you that Chelsea will knock out Bayern last season.

And, do you have to add the bolded and yet Liverpool can't say its injury to their CBs that gave City the league last season?

CAPdan21:
I have said this many times, often getting flak from fellow Chelsea fans who laud Tuchel as some sort of Messiah, but the system we play is very effective, collectively, but doesn't get the best out of anyone except the defenders and keeper on an individual level.

The problem is that we have a surfeit of No.10 types and a lack of true wide players, which is what you need to get the best out of Lukaku. And the true wide players we have, basically CHO (who rarely gets a game and is used out of position at RBW mostly when he does) and Ziyech (who plays crap when he does get a game, every time he returns from injury before picking up another injury), don't get used effectively because Tuchel refuses to play any system that doesn't involve a 3-4- or 3-5- base.

So, what we end up with, more often than not, is a tight defence and an ineffective attack. But it's enough to scrape through most games. And this is where I have an issue with the fans who turned on Lampard. At least Lampard tried to find a solution that used a back 4, got an extra attacker on the pitch and used players in more natural positions.

Tuchel, on the other hand, refuses to even try anything similar, even against lower league teams in cup games or weaker PL teams. We have no Plan B. Lukaku is clearly not best suited by Plan A, the only plan we have.

We have players who can be devastating when played out wide, such as CHO on the left and Ziyech on the right, or Pulisic. Even Werner can be effective used out wide.

So, are we top of the PL? Yes. Are we picking up points? Yes. Are we equal to the sum of our parts? No, we are not. The question is, when does the manager admit that and try to play a system that does allow us to equal the sum of our parts?

No doubt I'll catch flak from fellow Chelsea for daring to utter such heresy, but I prefer reality to blind idolatry.

Copied!!...Thoughts??

After all this long epistle, the bolded is the most important thing in football. Pick point and stay at the top.

If TT is doing it right now, what else are we talking about?

This clamour for 4 at the back, if TT apply it now and start flopping, this same set of fans will start the #TuchelOut hash tag.

I don't know if there is a rule that says a coach must play 4 at the back.

raumdeuter:
This was Gameweek 26 in February with City already 14points ahead of second place

14 points is 5 matches.

How many matches was remaining as at February?

Who mathematically crowned them champions by February?

raumdeuter:
This season I actually want to face Chelsea. You will knockout Bayern Last season? That must be a joke

Who knocked Bayern out last season?

raumdeuter:
It's only people who don't watch other leagues think they don't play low blocks. Didn't Bayern lose to Frankfurt just 2 weeks ago.

Don't these epl teams play low blocks vs Man city and still get trashed?
Just last weekend Watford got trashed by Liverpool

Liverpool won Watford. Same Liverpool couldn't win Fulham, Brighton, Burnley who played low block against them. They lost all those matches with a single goal.

Southampton just held Man City couple of weeks ago. Burnley won them last season.

We see smaller teams beating the big teams all the time in EPL steady, playing low block.

Bayern cannot keep up with the physicality of EPL week in week out all season. That's just my point. I'm not saying the won't trash some teams here and there... But to consistently maintaining their form the way they do it in Bundesliga will be damn too hard. There are 4 competitions played in England. Add the December fixtures, no rest. 38 league games in England against 34 played in Germany.

Bayern will find it hard in EPL.

popizaino:
Thank you for putting perspective into consideration on the emboldened. People just want to say bayern Munich beat us last two seasons without putting into consideration the kind of situation we were in at that time,I mean isn't the scoreline a reflection of the situation we were at that time for any objective mind, they have quickly forgotten that we have a very impressive records against the Germany giant. All I know is that football isn't one plus one is two. If he sure for their fans they should pray we meet them this season.

I remember saying here that I want to meet Bayern after we beat Atletico in R16 and people here think I'm just cracking a joke.

I really wanted to meet Bayern that last season to show that the season before last was just a blip.

We would have knocked off Bayern if we met them last season.

Havertz10:
remove havertz from our games against Madrid and city in the final

Mention a replacement player that would have had similar impact?

There is a reason it's at that stage that most teams fall of, cause then you need players to rise up and make a difference

Is it ziyech that would have performed? Pulisic? Hudson-Odoi? Abi na lukaku wan step up

His chant specifically says he won chelsea the champions league, there he is reason he is singled out for that praise above other players

Maybe you need to refresh your memory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgDGpHF0Kzg

What's the meaning of the bolded?

Only one player won MOTM in both legs vs Madrid AND also the final vs Man City.

Who was that player? Havertz?

airmark:
Epl teams will adjust and most will play low block against them just as most do against City. How many teams play low block in Burnthisleaguedown with their mumu defenders?

Bayern may not even beat Brentford and with all players fit Bayern will not have an easy ride against Chelsea over 2 legs.

Burnthisleaguedown is crap.

This right here is exactly my thoughts as I am reading through the discussion.

That Bayern trashed some EPL big teams doesn't mean they will walk past other "small" teams in England.

The Brentfords and the Sheffields and the Blackpools (of that year) and the Burnleys and the Brightons and the Stokes in England too stubborn. Too physical.

This Bayern team will burn out after 6 months of week in week out EPL "battles". Add the block approach most teams will employ when playing Bayern and you will see that trashing Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs no be the koko.

Emaprince:
That one na joke.

Bro, the situation I found myself in today, I don't wish it on my enemy. I thought I was gone.

So I'm making peace with God.

I dey hospital now

Sorry man.

Whichever situation you are right now in the hospital, I pray for your full recovery in no time.