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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m):
Roland17:
He would have had 50 assists in 158 minutes or he could have scored an own goal, given a lame performance with 0 assists.. We will never know! We are going by what we know. By the way, why are you avoiding the other stats on that imagine?

Once again, can I remind you that is the prime of Fab in terms of numbers but not Ozil’s!
You see that bolded? That's the crux of the matter.

I don't pick Cesc over Ozil based on numbers.

And the mere fact that Cesc played 158 minutes less renders those other stats DoA. If he played as much as Ozil, he will equal or surpass him. The overall margin says it all.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 5:01pm On Nov 16, 2020
sleekdot:
You mean the world cup where Mata played a sum total of 20mins vs Honduras or the Euro cup where he played 3 mins as a time wasting sub

To win both World up and Euro, Spain played about 1250mins and Mata participated in 23 of those mins

Make we no lie, Mata had as much influence in winning those games as those of us typing from Nairaland
You don commit now now?! cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 4:58pm On Nov 16, 2020
Roland17:
Go back and read my first comment about this topic and you would see where I said both players are no scrubs and this is not a debate about apples and oranges. Meaning both players are legit superstars in their own right. For me it boils down to length of prime, numbers and relevance. So scratch that last paragraph.

The image contains stats that support my argument and debunks a lot of your claims. So please be careful not to imply I plagiarized the narrative/ article that came along the image because that would be totally false. Just saying..

33/1 is 34 appearances for Fab so he is short only 1 game but that does not offer much difference because he could have gone without registering an assist in that game, he could also have gone on to register 20 assists in that game right? Well, we will never know.

The data about key passes should be most important stat for anyone who understands how to read the data. Ozil beats him in every category in that image and more importantly, this is not even Ozil’s best season in his career.. Do you realize that?
Cesc 33(1) apps translates to 2890 minutes of football while Ozil's 35 apps is actually 3048 minutes of football. That is 158 minutes difference.

Do you realise what can happen in 158 minutes of football?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 4:35pm On Nov 16, 2020
Nevertheless, the two campaigns were both remarkable in their own right, but who did it better?

Well, simply put, [as far as the pair's rate of assists were concerned the figures are astonishingly similar. While Ozil registered one more (19) in 2015/16 than Fabregas the season previous (18), the German played more minutes, with their figures in terms of minutes per assist coming in at 160.6 for the Spain international and 160.5 for the Arsenal star.

That theme of Ozil marginally winning out remains consistent throughout the duo's creative stats in truth. He averaged 3.3 key passes per 90 minutes to Fabregas' 3, completed 12 accurate through balls to the Chelsea man's 11 and boasted a slightly superior pass accuracy to boot (86.3 per cent to 85.2 per cent).

In fact, the only creative category where there is a clear difference - and it's in Ozil's favour once more - is in terms of what Opta define as 'big chances created'. In that sense Fabregas' impressive tally of 16 was blown out of the water by the German's 28 the following season.

All in all, then, it's little wonder why it was Mesut Ozil that earned the higher WhoScored rating for his efforts in 2015/16 (7.66) than Fabregas in 2014/15 (7.62). Both players have subsequently and perhaps unsurprisingly failed to reach the same heights since, but will always have those remarkable stats to fall back on.
@Roland17 above is the article where you pulled out that image.

Even when we go by stats, Ozil registered 19 assists in 35 apps while Cesc registered 18 in 33 apps.
Please who is the better player here per 90?

Look at those bolded and tell me exactly why you are posting that image everywhere. Why are you making it look like Ozil blew Cesc outta the water when their overall rating were 7.66 against 7.62?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 4:14pm On Nov 16, 2020
Roland17:
Baba rubbish! Cesc had prime D. Costa in front of him, Ozil had Welbeck, Giroud and other useless strikers and remained on top of the assist charts!

Numbers don’t lie! The stat below is the prime of Fabregas in terms of numbers, not even Ozil’s but keep an eye on the “Big Chance created” category where Ozil dwarfs him.
Are we talking prime Costa or prime Cesc? Was prime Cesc in Chelsea or Arsenal? Prime Ozil, was is Arsenal or Madrid? Why will you post Cesc 14/15 vs Ozil 15/16.?

Like I said earlier, numbers don't tell the whole story so don't even bother yourself showing me stats here and there. I watched both of them play and I know their style of play. I know their strengths and weaknesses.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 4:07pm On Nov 16, 2020
Unlimited22:
He didn't play with Henry and Van Persie at all.


No o. It was only Adebayor he played with all through. The same Adebayor who also had a 20-goal season.

Ozil at Arsenal topped assist chart with striking phenomena and greats like Olivier Giroud, Joel Campbell and Danny Welbeck.

But go off mate, numbers obviously don't tell the whole story.
The question is, in their prime, who will I get into my team.

I watched the 4 mentioned players. The good ol' eye test comes into play here, not some assist numbers. Which of them, as a 10, tops in vision, eye for pass in a tight spot, can split open defences both when counter attacking and when opposition sits deep, has both long range and short range pass ability? Cesc tops them all.

Little wonder it's only him out of the 4 players that have 'pass' coined to his name.

At some point in their career, they played against Chelsea as a bitter rival. Who among them do I dread facing? Cesc.

No amount of numbers will change what I watch.

Silva, Mata, and Ozil are all extra ordinary players. But for me, Cesc tops them all.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 3:30pm On Nov 16, 2020
Melvyn11:
Ozil had 19 assists with Giroud and co

Ozil had 16 and 15 league assists respectively with Bremen as well.

This agenda that he only racked those assists because of Ronaldo and other world class attackers is dead on arrival.
Read my first and last line again, more slowly this time. Maybe then you will get my point.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:16pm On Nov 16, 2020
Numbers don't tell the whole story.

Assists is not down to the passer of the ball entirely. The striker recieving the pass have a lot of say whether that pass will be counted an assist or not.

Play 20 passes to C. Ronaldo and play the same 20 passes to Adebayo in the same exact way by the same person.... Will the number of assists be same in both scenarios? Your guess is as good as mine.

Ozil had C. Ronaldo in front.

Silva had Aguero in front.

Cesc had Adebayo in front.

Numbers don't tell the whole story. Enuff said.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 7:56am On Nov 16, 2020
Wetin numbers don do for football sha...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 7:35am On Nov 16, 2020
Kimbeast:
Found this on Reddit: Which of these players would you buy in their prime? Mata, Ozil, Fabregas or David Silva?
Cesc.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 9:41am On Nov 15, 2020
'The Avengers' WhatsApp group chat featuring James Maddison, Jack Grealish, Ben Chilwell, Dele Alli, Ross Barkley, John McGinn etc...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8945343/Premier-Leagues-celebration-nod-group-Chilwell-Grealish-called-Avengers.html

Na so cultism dey start cheesy

Below is their goal celebration...

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 7:25am On Nov 15, 2020
Our boys doing well so far in international break.

Hoping they all come back in one piece.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 4:22pm On Nov 14, 2020
obainojazz:
Someone that drank goals while at Arsenal grin
That was Arsenal. This is Chelsea.

cool
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2020/21 by timbros(m): 8:23pm On Nov 13, 2020
For Salah owners...

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 2:35pm On Nov 12, 2020
Ex Ghana President Jerry Rawlings dies of COVID 19...

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-54913895
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2020/21 by timbros(m): 2:19pm On Nov 11, 2020
Ibime:
No wonder the number of players here dey expand. Once betting companies start offering prizes, the whole of Naija go start to play the game
I tell you.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2020/21 by timbros(m): 12:04pm On Nov 11, 2020
PETUK:
which Ibime is battling relegation? Someone who bet9ja has given 5k for clinging 100 points
Ibime na true?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2020/21 by timbros(m): 3:35pm On Nov 09, 2020
biomustry:
U sef see am grin
grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 3:31pm On Nov 09, 2020
Skimpledawg:
Wike has done well.

Although, boys would on the flipside prefer job creations also. The outcry is much
Unemployment just too much everywhere part of the world now. Every nook and cranny.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 3:29pm On Nov 09, 2020
timay:
After that what else?. As of you guys have never had controversial decision go your way before. Or other teams that had penalties don't get controversial ones too as well.
Someone played just 4 pks last season, all of a sudden he's a PK merchant. But another person has scored 70% of his goals with PK so far, all of a sudden you guys develop amnesia to that and started turning Amala claim way and manner penalty was gotten. I mean what is the sense in that nonsense you guys are spewing.
If you want to troll, do it with sense and stop talking like kids. it's nauseating to say the least
Who played 4 pks last season? Don't even tell me you meant Premier League pks.

Everyone is used to seeing Fernandes on the penalty spot, whether EPL match or UEL match, hence the penalty merchant tag.

And Man United being awarded record number of penalties in a season (mostly controversial) didn't help matters.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 8:49am On Nov 09, 2020
Skimpledawg:
Yes. Drove past Garrison flyover to Rumuola yesterday. Omo, won't lie, the place make sense.

Wike did well there I must commend.

Ehen bros, the Etche road is motorable? Have they fixed those dangerous ditches?
Etche dey motorable. Na normal potholes dey here and there but there is a spot which they directed us to cut off because it's too bad. When we cut off, we found out that other vehicles don't even pass that side we took. Our driver no too sabi that Etche route. Na PH-Owerri guy. Apart from there (which we were not even supposed to pass), the journey was fairly smooth.

That Garrison go ease the traffic for D line well well. Rumuokoro is nearly completed too. I'll say 90% done.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2020/21 by timbros(m): 8:41am On Nov 09, 2020
Ibime:
I have more points than the team in first place and have the 4th highest points total which goes to show I just get unlucky draws each week. Imagine Obaino scoring 76 on the week he is playing me.
2 win, 1 draw, 5 lose shocked

This no be stats for 4 time champion o.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2020/21 by timbros(m): 8:39am On Nov 09, 2020
iamoyindamola:
E shock you too cheesy
As in! grin

I just dey pray make Ibime give me my own share when time reach.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2020/21 by timbros(m): 6:26am On Nov 09, 2020
See where Obaino and Ibime dey battle relegation grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2020/21 by timbros(m): 6:24pm On Nov 08, 2020
iamoyindamola:
Yes bro
Good.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2020/21 by timbros(m): 5:45pm On Nov 08, 2020
Who can confirm, is that Mane assist?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 5:30pm On Nov 08, 2020
raumdeuter:
Thank God for his protection
Thanks.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 5:30pm On Nov 08, 2020
pamcode:
Just seeing your post about the accident. Thank God your life was not lost. God is your strength bro.
Thanks bro
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 5:12pm On Nov 08, 2020
Skimpledawg:
Bros, how your body now?

Thank God for safe trip.

I'm seriously considering not traveling with my car this December o undecided

That Abia road still bad? Where Una pass?
Thanks bro. Na just the body pains today. But I thank God.

Na Etche we pass o.

Somebody that went to Aba last week told us that Aba is a no go route. Dem burn plenty Hausa people trailers plenty for express there so e dey cause too much gridlock. We kuku follow Etche burst out Owerrinta.

Garrison flyover have been commissioned. You don pass there?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 2:06pm On Nov 08, 2020
afrodoc2:
Sorry to hear that bro. Great to know no lives were lost and you didn’t sustain major injuries.

Same thing happened to me about a month ago. Apart from 2 bashed cars and a bit of neck and upper back discomfort from whiplash i was okay.

You can buy a new car but can’t buy a new life.
Thanks bro. Good to know you didn't sustain major injuries too.

Bolded is so true.

The crash involved 3 vehicles in my case. But none was mine cuz I wasn't driving. I was a passenger in one of the vehicles.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 11:19am On Nov 08, 2020
thorrvik55:
Thank God it was nothing serious..
Yes o.

All thanks be to God.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 11:11am On Nov 08, 2020
Thanks to all that mentioned me. Means a lot to me.

I sustained minor injuries on my leg. General body pains this morning. Aside that, I'm fine.

Thanks again.

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