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BlueRayDick:
So that's the only thing u saw there abi? Why didn't you comment on the fact that Adebayor scored 11 goals to drag Togo to their first and only world cup appearance?

Why din't you speak to the fact that Adebayor performed at the top teams he played for while Diouf flopped scandalously?

Diouf kor, Djemba Djemba ni.

Adebayor did NOT perform at the top teams! His goals won nothing for Arsenal, City, Spurs. His goal won him zero golden boot.

How exactly did he perform in those big clubs?

Diouf can boast of SPL in small Rangers.

afrodoc:
LOL you are comparing apples and car mirror.

Adebayor was born in Togo and Diouf was born in Senegal.

Neither of them was born in Bolton, Madrid, London so there must be a reason big clubs kept signing one of them while the other was touring yeye clubs.

I really really want to keep this discourse on just Adebayor vs Diouf but this your bolded is tempting me to bring in Okocha for the sole reason of one person playing for smaller clubs while the other keep signing for big clubs. If u may ask, did Okocha play for bigger clubs than Adebayor? Why did you rate Okocha higher than Adebayor in that list? Shouldn't Adebayor be higher because there must be a reason he played for Arsenal and Madrid while Okocha played for Bolton and Hull?

BlueRayDick:
You said "I still haven't seen anything that you guys mention Adebayor did aside playing for bigger teams".

Now I showed you what he did playing for a smaller team and you are asking me what happened in the main tournament.

At least I have been able to show you that Adebayor was not just about playing for big teams, he was a consistent performer on the pitch both in his national colours and that of the clubs he represented. Same can't be said of Diouf.

What if I showed you what Diouf won in a smaller club? Will that make you rate him?

AirBere:
Lol. You can't choose where to play for at international level if you're already capped. Once you're capped, I think 1,2 or 3 times you're stuck with your selected country till you retire.

At club level, it's what you do at those small clubs that'll determine where you end up. Diouf failed so hard at his first big move(Liverpool) Struggled at lowly Rangers in the freaking Scottish league wey average players dey use farm goals. Adebayo did well at Monaco, climbed to Arsenal, did well again, made a big move to City, got banned which affected his future there, joined Madrid, won Copa del Rey, then moved to Spurs and kept banging in the goals.

I still think that you're of the opinion about what he(Diouf) should've done because the potential was there but the reality is that Adebayo did better than Diouf. It's very clear brother.

Stop mentioning ban abeg.. Diouf was banned twice in his career.

For Adebayor to have played all those big clubs and you are still struggling to name an award he won for himself is proof that he flopped badly.

Diouf can proudly counter Adebayor's Copa Del Rey with his own Carling Cup. So what are we talking about?

BlueRayDick:
I think he's just using Nostalgia to rate Diouf higher than the performance he displayed throughout his career.

Adebayor was runner up in the race for golden boot behind C.Ronaldo in the EPL, he had EPL goal of the season to his credit in 07/08 and also made the EPL team of that same year. Na the person he dey use compare Diouf be that.

We are talking of individual achievements you dey talk of runner up

afrodoc:
You haven’t seen because you don’t want to see.

Diouf has those 2 years and nothing else. Outside that nothing. Outside those 2 years he was playing for otu oshi clubs and dropping otu oshi stats.

Adebayor had his 1st year when he carried Togo to the World Cup in 2006.
He had his 2nd year in 2007 when he won BBC African player of the year.
He had his 3rd year in 2008 when he won CAF player of the year AND PFA Team of the Year.

You see that PFA Team of the year. Dem no born anybody in Diouf village well to try to enter that kain team.

Outside these 3 years Adebayor had 2009-2010 when he scored 14 EPL goals. He had 2010-2012 when he scored 17 EPL goals.

Dem born anybody well for Adebayor village to make FIFA all star team ...... Or maybe PFA dey more prestigious pass FIFA all star team lol.

Dem no born anybody for Adebayor village wey go make FIFA 100.... Abi England FA dey more prestigious than FIFA? lol.

Diouf also won BBC Player of the year. Lol....

Diouf won African Player of the year award back to back... Dem no born Adebayor to try am..

Fact is, Diouf used those 2 years you called "just" to achieve what Adebayor cannot achieve in all his football career.

If Adebayor was that prolific in front of goal, all these goals you quote that he scored would have been double or more. No be the same Adebayor wey all of us watch? Adebayor that need 60 chances before scoring a goal? How many golden boot those goals win for am?

BlueRayDick:
Adebayor scored 11 goals in the 2006 World cup qualifiers Playing for a Minnow team like Togo. He dragged them to the world cup being the highest goal scorer. They played against superior teams like Mali, Zambia, Congo, Liberia and Senegal in the qualifiers o.

If that doesn't add a feather to Adebayor's cap, I wonder what will convince u Adebayor was a better player than Diouf on the pitch

And what happened in the main tournament itself?

In 2004, he was named in the FIFA 100, a list of the 125 greatest living footballers selected by Pelé in conjunction with FIFA's centenary celebrations.

AirBere:
Bruh, Adebayo played for Togo, Diouf played for Senegal. Senegal is significantly a better team than Togo. It's like asking what Haaland has achieved with Norway because Morata won Euros with Spain. We all know that Haaland clears Morata. Since there's a disparity at international level, we look at what they've done at club level.

On Adebayo, he was the top scorer in qualifiers, l think he scored 10-12 goals that period, can't recall correctly but I know he was top scorer African world cup qualifiers leading to 2006 world cup. His goals qualified Togo to the tournament. Togo is yet to qualify again since that time.

On that list, ability wise, Diouf like Okocha had more to give. But say do well as a professional footballer, Adebayo clears both at club level. Just like how Suarez has better ability(better player) while Benzema has achieved more as a professional footballer.

That your bolded is exactly what you guys use to rate Diouf lower in club level and it's funny. Lol

Bruh, Diouf played for Bolton and Rangers, Adebayor played for Arsenal and Real Madrid. Real Madrid is significantly a better team than Bolton.

Do you get the twist now?

BlueRayDick:
Gbam!

Even Senegalese would not pick Diouf as the best Senegalese that donned their national team colours

Nobody is rating Diouf as the best Senegalese player. Make una no dey do like this.

A list was given and I observed that Diouf is better than a name on the list. How does that translate to Diouf being the best player from Senegal?

afrodoc2:
Diouf had 2 years and that is it. Before 2001 he did nothing. After 2002 he did nothing.

It is on paper you can compare him to Adebayor. The clubs Diouf played for before 2002 were otu oshi. The clubs he played for after 2004 were otu oshi.

Adebayor played for Monaco in 2003 and in 2011 he was playing for Madrid and 2014 he was still playing for Spurs.

That 2 years made him better than Adebayor.

I still haven't seen anything that you guys mention Adebayor did aside playing for bigger teams. I'm sure if the table was turned and Adebayor had the kind of performance Diouf had in 2002 World Cup, this place will be flooded on why Adebayor is better.

You commented on Owen few days ago. How many years did Owen had before the injury that derailed his career? But history will never forget Owen because of those 2 to 3 years.

andrewbaba44:
What has Kane achieved in football before he joined Bayern ,even now that he has joined Bayern he still haven’t achieved much

Someone like you will rate lesser players than Kane before they won more trophies

Please don't misquote me. And stop bringing weird analogy here.

I clearly started this conversation with "Adebayor vs Diou". Refer to my first post.

It won't be hard now you will paint it that I am rating Diouf as one of the best players Africa has ever produced.

What has Kane achievement got to do with Adebayor and Diouf?

Kane played for Spurs his whole life and upgraded to Bayern. How is that the same with Adebayor who has played for top clubs in Europe?

I asked for Adebayor's achievement to buttress the point that he flopped. Even though he played for bigger teams, he didn't achieve more than Diouf who played for, according to you, mickey mouse teams.

You rate a player based on his individual honours. What individual honours did Adebayor have over Diouf that make you rate him higher?

AirBere:
Haha lol. Diouf was very erratic to watch man. I know Diouf very well. The ability was obviously there but nothing come out long term. Inconsistent as fcck.

I think your mind is set on Diouf and me no go round around with you man. If Kane didn't join Bayern same question would've been asked of him. Adebayo was a regular at top clubs like Arsenal, Mancity(pre ban) and Spurs. Both achieved nothing at club level but one was a starter at the aforementioned clubs.

For me, there's no way Diouf did well as a footballer more than Adebayo. No way with me. But for you, there's a way so you're right.

The bolded summarise everything. And I completely agree with the bolded.

Now, since both of them achieved nothing at club level, what about National Team level? Shouldn't that be the tie breaker?

AirBere:
The issue is that you're judging Diouf based on what you believe he can and should've done not based on performance on the pitch. Diouf was very erratic and frustrating to watch. Diouf was absolutely nothing special lol.

Diouf obviously had more ability but Okocha also has more ability but Adebayo had a better club career than both.

At club level, Diouf failed at Liverpool, was poor at Rangers. He only did well in France and was decent at Bolton. Adebayo on the other hand was a starter at arsenal, came close to winning the league in 2007, joined City but the ban affected his days at City. Did well for Spurs and was good for Madrid on loan. Diouf did good at international level though.

So Adebayo succeeded individually at Monaco, Arsenal, Tottenham and to some extent Madrid.

Calm down. Did you watch Diouf between 2001 and 2002? If you did, you won't type that bolded.

What did Adebayor achieve in Arsenal, Tottenham, Real Madrid, Man City?

andrewbaba44:
Adebayo won the apoty too

How many trophies did diouf win for club side ,Carling cup and Scottish premier league which he didn’t contribute to 🤣🤣

Yes diouf did so well at the 2002 fifa World Cup ,but that doesn’t make him a better player than adebayor

A player that was a bum everywhere aside Bolton and lens is who you want to compare to adebayor because he was very good at the 2002 fifa World Cup

Walai you are not serious

There's a reason why I keep emphasising "back to back".... Only a select few player won APOTY back to back. Diouf is one of them.

How many trophies do you expect him to win playing for "mickey mouse" clubs, as you put it? The main flop is Adebayor who, as you confirm, played for bigger teams but failed to win more trophies than mickey mouse Diouf.

You are the u serious one here. If you are serious, you will acknowledge that Adebayor didn't outshine Diouf in club football. But Diouf outshine him in Africa and NT generally.... So how exactly is Adebayor ahead of Diouf? The clubs he played for? Lol

CAPdan21:
He's not overrated cuz nobody apart from tim.bros actually rates him..

I rate him above Adebayor doesn't mean I rate him among the best African footballers.

In my list, he is second to last. Only above Adebayor.

andrewbaba44:
I don’t need to say ,adebayo is clear

I don’t want to even talk about goals self because e go be like I wan Dey biased

Adebayo played for 3 top club and did well ,same can’t be said about diouf who many considered as a Liverpool flop

The only clubs diouf was outstanding was Lens and Bolton ,2 Mickey Mouse club , na that person you wan compare with adebayo ? Diouf was so inconsistent

So the club they played for is the criteria? Have you checked the individual honour?

I'm suprised you thrash aside their performance in the biggest football competition ever, the world cup, and rate the based on the club they play for

For all the big clubs Adebayor played for and the goals he scored, how many trophies did he win? Just Copa del Rey.

Need I remind you that Diouf made FIFA World Cup all star team? Won back to back African footballer of the year....... Please list Adebayor's individual honours.

afrodoc2:
You that rated Drogba over Etoo nko?

Everybody else put Etoo above him. Some put gap between them sef.

Leave my Drogba there biko

andrewbaba44:
Adebayo no really win things for club level ,same goes to diouf ,but at the end ade is clear

You haven't really said anything to convince anyone that Adebayor is clear.

andrewbaba44:
Played at the highest level with with inconsistency and controversies

He was quite decent at Bolton sha ,aside this there is nothing like high level on his premier league career

And yea he was very very good at the 2002 fifa World Cup where Senegal shocked the world ,won’t forget him and the likes of papa bouba diop ,fadigha

Lastly the apoty he won was his good performance in Ligue 1 and the fifa World Cup 2002

Adebayo clears him on club level

So only club level put Adebayor ahead of him? Assuming we want to keep NT aside, what exactly did Adebayor achieve in club level ahead of him?

Adebayor vs Diouf

I see all of you rating Adebayor ahead of Diouf and I wonder why.

Diouf was African footballer of the year back to back. In World Cup 2002 Diouf was unstoppable. He played at the highest level in England with Liverpool, winning a trophy.

Why exactly are you guys rating Adebayor ahead of Diouf?

Katcall:
Arrange these African players from best to worst
Salah
Okocha
Diouf
Adebayor
Drogba
Eto
Kanu

Drogba
Eto'o
Salah
Kanu
Okocha
Diouf
Adebayor

raumdeuter:
Etoo
Salah
Drogba
Kanu
Yaya
Adebayor
Diouf
Nicholas Jackson
Oshoala
Wanyama
Everybody
Unlimited22
Roland17
Ramdeuter
Tinubu




Portable


Okocha

Where is Airmark placed in this list?

Katcall:
Arrange these African players from best to worst
Salah
Okocha
Diouf
Adebayor
Drogba
Eto
Kanu

Do we rate them based on AFCON, NT in general, EPL, UCL or football generally?

MorataFC:
Paul Scholes on Garnacho to Chelsea:

🗣 “Chelsea are almost the best of the rest under the top two or three (teams) and they needed investment in the right areas.

I think he will be good for you… I don’t think he will be disruptive (in the Chelsea squad). I hope he is! But I don’t think he will.”

Was the bold part necessary?

Bad belle is allowed.

airmark:
But it made you sound so stupid.

You are the one actually sounding stupid with your agenda.

You choose to cherry pick an interview just to promote one nonsense agenda. JP said he likes playing 9 and you jump with just that sentence, deliberately ignoring the part he calls himself the modern number 9 that passes, assists and scores. He even said he plays 10, infact he started his career as a number 10.

His coach says he plays all the 5 attacking positions. He even butress this point by playing him together with a traditional number 9 in a match. Till today, you refuse to tell me who supports who when Delap and JP are in the pitch together.

But no, JP is not a support cast. He is just a number 9.

How stupid does that sound?

Altern8tor:
Bro,,ds tin is simple,,, Chelsea badly wanted a 9,,and saw an opportunity to get a player that can do well as a 9 and is versatile in other positions and they quickly grabbed the opportunity... If Haaland can play as a 9 and versatile in other positions will Mancity and Pep not be glad for it...
Truth is modern Football doesn't really depend on a traditional 9 if Versatile scoring wingers are readily available who can be easily converted to 9 when d need arises... D goal in attack is to score goals and not to be doing Traditional football

I don't think you are really in tune with the debate, so I don't know how to start responding to you.

Just note that I am in no way against JP or Delap. I support them 100 percent.

Just sit this one out. It's an agenda driven conversation.

You think changing the term from "number 9" to "striker" will help your case?

Incase you want to claim you have forgotten, this is where it all started..

Enzo5:
airmark have you seen this

Joao Pedro: When I arrived in the USA, Enzo said: ‘I want you as a No9’. In training, he says, ‘João, you need to be more clinical in this part, make a touch to the right here.’ I love this kind of coach. If you don’t get feedback, it’s difficult to improve

from day one, he was meant to be a no9

I feel ekitike waited for chelsea like xavi did but transfer fee was the issue

Your response...

airmark:
Just seeing this, thanks.

Over to our support cast crew - Timbros, Nateevs, Lordfalcao, Kimbeast, Singapore1 and others, to debunk it, tell us they are busy to comment and I'm jobless that's why I have time to call them out now.

Many will argue ignorantly with confidence and still insult me.

Now you want to change the term to striker!

airmark:
You are always asking foolish questions.

Because Anelka and Drogba started in the image below and Anelka didn't top, will you say Anelka wasn't a striker? You argue like an illiterate.

When Maresca played Delap and JP in a match, who was the number 9? Who supported who?

Continue shooting yourself on the foot.

When Drogba (Delap) and Anelka (Pedro) was on the pitch, who supported who? Who was the number 9?

airmark:
Was Nicolas Anelka not a striker during his playing days?

When Maresca started Delap and JP in the same match, who supported who?

Answer the simple question and auit running from post to pillar.

Was JP the number 9 vs West Ham and Fulham? Professor.

Continue embarrassing yourself in the public.

airmark:
Stop embarrassing yourself everytime.

JP told you he was bought to be majorly a striker, Maresca told you that Jakujaku Jackson could fvck off, he got 2 new strikers in Delap and JP.

Stop arguing stupidly bro.

And Maresca told the whole world that JP plays the whole five attacking positions.

He started Delap and JP in multiple matches. Who was the number 9 in those matches? JP?