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A40:
Tell us why Hazard's performance is so poor


Neymar is a full year younger than Hazard but his achievements have already dwarfed that of the local champion.

What double? You call that WAFU cup equivalent Capital One a double? The winner does not get to qualify for anything in the event that they fall out the top 6 that is how useless the competition is

Which achievements if I may ask? UCL trophies? Personal awards?

I'm not going that lane wit you cuz you asked me to focus on the biggest competition in Europe. Let's focus please.

raumdeuter:
FInals >> Semis

Hazard ensured his team was knocked out in the semi, Neymar ensured his team qualified for the finals with his 3 goals

SPOT THE DIFFERENCE

LOL....

But you were the one that tells us here that in UCL you recognize the first four teams (i.e the semis finalists) THEN the rest. That is why Bayern is in the same levels with Juve and Barca this season...

Now you want me to spot the difference. Talk about hypocrisy!

hensben:
hazard is a left midfielder in 4-2-3-1 formation while neymar is left wing forward in 4-3-3 formation. ST= striker is synonymous to ronaldo de lima, lacazette, suarez and aguero.. CF= centre forward is synonymous to drogba, costa, lewandowsky, inzaghi, nisterooy....

No mind am.

I've told him that before and he pretended not to see it.

Shouting about Neymar's goals but refusing to acknowledge the roles both players play in their respective teams. When I talk about overall performance he pretends not to know what I'm talking about.

How will Hazard score as much goals as Neymar when he also has the responsibility of tracking back to help Azpi. Let raumdeuter tell us the defensive output of Neymar in Barca.

raumdeuter:
Did Hazards 2 goals from open play win him golden boot? You should tell us what Hazard has done in CL that Neymar hasnt

I can tell you that Neymar is playing a final and worst case would win runner up, tell us about Azadus

IF Neymar doesn't win golden boot with that 13 goals, it's as insignificant as Hazard's 2.

Hazard made semis last season.

homesteady:
You no dey shame?
You are bringing comments from February last year to prove your point!

I didn't even look at the date. No mind me.

That still doesn't make Lahm that mentioned Hazard among his best players wrong, does it?

raumdeuter:
Neymar 13 goals Hazard 5
Neymar CL finalist at least by Saturday, Hazard 0

13 goals that won him the golden boot abi?

raumdeuter:
Neymar is in Europe's biggest competition final within 2 seasons in Europe, Hazard has never made the competition finals the only chance he had of making it, he let his team down.

Worst case scenario by Saturday Neymar would have a runners up medal in addition to his 13 goals. WHat does Hazard have in Europes biggest tournament

NEYMAR

0 UCL medal.
0 Golden boot

HAZARD

0 UCL medal.
0 golden boot.

So what's all the noise about?

raumdeuter:
Output says
Neymar 13 goals 6 CL assists in 2 seasons for Barca
Hazard 5 goals (3PK) and 6 assists in 3 seasons for Chelsea

Instead of focusing on the main output go and bring me another article that says Hazard is better than Quaresma

Keep on hating on Hazard when everyone knows he is better than Neymar based on overall performance.

This is what EVEN Barca fans in their forum have to say about both players... and you are here hating.

A40:
Se o mu Orijin yo ni? What does this question even mean?

Whatever that means... Back to sender

What brings about Neymar's double in Spain when you asked me to leave Hazard's EPL season and focus on "Europe biggest competition"? As if Hazard doesn't have his own double in England. Is that how biased you guys are?

I expect to see Neymar's number of trophies in Europe’s biggest competition.

raumdeuter:
Both are attackers, and attackers are measured by output
. Neymar murders Hazard when we check their output

So whats this overall performance? Is it their dressing or boot color

Neymar is an attacker in Barca's 4-3-3 formation whereas Hazard is a midfielder in Chelsea's 4-2-3-1 formation.

You don't measure them by only attack attack attack. This argument started from Lahm's choice of a complete player and he mentioned some name which comprises of both attackers, midfielders and even a goalkeeper.

So talking of Hazard and Neymar, who is the most complete player between the two? That's when overall performance comes into play. Judge for yourself.

BTW read this article with an unbiased mind (that is if you can)

www.soccersouls.com/2015/02/03/industrious-hazard-chelsea-vs-explosive-neymar-barcelona-who-is-a-better-winger/

parrotibaba:
Modified!! Sorry thought it was cr7

No.

It's the Brazilian Ronaldo.

A40:
He has already won a double in only his 2nd year in Europe. Gunning for a treble

9 goals in the Champions League. Almost double of Hazard's total in 1 year

4 goals in one WC to Hazard's none. I will not even go to their overall goalscoring records for country because the gulf is embarrassing

Any competition you want to use Mueller and Neymar destroy Hazard and the margin is very wide

He won the double in Europe’s biggest competition?

raumdeuter:
So what should we measure them by when Neymar takes Hazard to school in terms of productivity aka goals?

Maybe blind alley dribbles, haircut or tattooes?

We measure them by there overall performance. Don't tell me you don't know what overall performance is.

raumdeuter:
AT age 24, Ronaldo had only played 1 season of CL football, that was in the days fewer teams were in the competition

WHen ROnaldo checks his collections he sees before age 24

2 World player of the year awards, 1 Ballon D or, Top scorer in Spanish League, Top scorer in DUtch league, World cup runner up, European golden boot, etc

WHich of these can we say for Pius Ikedia Hazard

We are focusing on "biggest European competition" not some other leagues.

Keep on track please.

raumdeuter:
You can only ask what Neymar has won if Hazard has won the same thing

Neymar hasnt won the CL nor WOrld cup but has 13 CL goals in 2 seasons

That is more than twice what Hazard has in 4 seasons of CL football

Since both of them haven't won any of the trophies, let's talk about their overall performance as a player. Goals scored is only part of overall performance.

A40:
No I'm not ignoring the context. I'm telling you that the game has changed. With guys like Messi, Mueller and Ronaldo shining in the league and UCL year in year out you cannot produce performances in the league alone as proof of dominance

Hazard is so far a failure because he has no achievements of note outside the EPL. None, zilch, nada

Ronaldo scored 16 goals in 5 seasons of CL competition. Hazard has 5 in 3 seasons. Only 2 from open play! This is abysmal and such player has no business dining with the elite


Because I understand Hazard does not come from a footballing superpower which is why I'm not even accounting performances for country (which have been abysmal by the way). If I don't rate him based on the CL what should I rate him on? EPL performances alone? Taa


Again you are the one not understanding the 'context' how can you tell me not to mention the World Cup. I listed guys like Neymar and Mueller among the big boys because they are tried and tested in International competition

Neymar: 4 goals in the WC, 13 in the CL
Mueller: 10 goals in the WC, 28 in the CL. World Champion, CL Champion
Hazard: 5 goals in 3 seasons of CL, only two from open play, nothing in the WC
Ronaldo: 16 goals in 5 seasons of CL, 15 goals in the WC, World Champion

So tell me why and what business Hazard has in being listed with any of these guys? Either for club or country he has achieved nothing!!!


No you have cleared nothing, of course Ronaldo might not have lived up to his high standard in elite Europe but he still had 36 goals in all European competitions. 16 in the CL alone (only 1 PK)

If you consider he tore his knee twice before his 2nd season in the CL then you would recognize his achievements were respectable

However you cannot tell me that a Hazard with no record to boast of outside the EPL is in the same class with the Mueller's, Neymar's.

Can you spare me all those stats? You asked me to focus on the biggest Europe competition and you're here giving me WC stats.

Of what use is Ronaldo's 16 goals in UCL without a medal? Did any of those goals give him even a UCL golden boot award?

Fact is, Hazard looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal (for now), no UCL golden boot (for now), 1 Europa League medal.

Ronaldo looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal, no UCL golden boot, 1 UEFA cup medal.

Like you asked me to, I'm focusing on "biggest Europe competition".

raumdeuter:
In football, the biggest trophies are the WOrldcup, Champions league, EUro cup in that order

If a player can dominate a world cup then its senseless to ask about what he would do in FA cup. Like a man who wins the Olympics 100m dash and next thing you are asking why didnt he win his High school 100m

Ronaldo Lima, Pele, Maradona dominated world cups and its senseless for anyone to start asking why they didnt win lesser competitions like CL, Europa League etc

All top players would point to a high point in their career, WOrld cup wins, CL wins, Euro cup wins, CL finals appearance, World cup finals appearance etc.

WHat does Hazard have to show

LOL....

So what does Neymar have to show? How many UCL have he won? How many WC? How many highest goal scorer (both WC and UCL) ? How many top assist (both WC and UCL)?

Shifting goal post as usual.

Cc A-40

Only a biased mind will overlook 'overall performance' and isolate a competition that suits him to rate a player.

A40:
Starting from next season. Shiii! I bet you didn't even know. Its a cumulative process so your failures are not immediately punished


Haha mo daaran! You guys try to defend the failure of Hazard and then of all people you bring out Ronaldo Luis Nazario De Lima (O Fenomeno) to justify it.

Btw Inter, PSV were not big clubs at the time he joined them their records in Europe at the time showed that. He also suffered two massive injuries which robbed him of 2-3 years of his prime at the very least. To remedy that however he won a World Cup and Copa America for his country and is one of the highest scorers of all-time in the World's biggest competition. How this remotely relates his scenario with Hazard is part of what keeps me up at night

Of course I will mention World Cup Winner. Its just one of the many achievements your local champion Hazard will never have. While Messi and Ronaldo don't have a World Cup they can at least boast of 5 Champions League titles between them potentially 6 if Barca beat Juve

Hazard has achieved none of this but somehow people try to use him in the same breath with the all-time greats. Unbelievable

The problem with you guys is, when one mentions a particular player, you will jump to the conclusion that Hazard is being compared to the mentioned player, ignoring the context of the example given.

Below is your earlier comment why you feel Hazard is a failure.

A40:
How can you know when your local champion was nowhere to be found among the big boys.

So you want us to ignore Europe's biggest competition and merely focus on performance in the overhyped EPL?

A league that failed badly in elite Europe this year!

I'm sorry can't do that

Notice the bolded. You want us to focus on Europe biggest competition then rate Hazard. I had to give you an example of a LEGEND of the game who failed in that elite competition showing you that you don't have to isolate one particular competition to rate a player.

Context bro, context.

I asked you not to mention world Cup because you want us to FOCUS on "Europe's biggest competition". Or is world Cup or copa America now Europe's biggest competition?

I was in no way comparing Hazard's career to Ronaldo De Lima (I dey crase?) but I was trying to focus on what you asked me to focus on.

I hope I have cleared that. Good. Now let's go back again.

Does Ronaldo's woeful performance in Europe’s biggest competition makes him a failure? (woeful yes, because a player of his calibre in Europe should have at least ONE champions League medal).

A40:
How can you know when your local champion was nowhere to be found among the big boys.

So you want us to ignore Europe's biggest competition and merely focus on performance in the overhyped EPL?

A league that failed badly in elite Europe this year!

I'm sorry can't do that

Big boys indeed.

OK let me tow your line of argument for a minute. Ronaldo De Lima must be a failure for playing in 5 top teams in Europe across 3 top leagues without a Champions League medal.

And please don't mention World Cup winner because I know that will be your next reply. Messi and C. Ronaldo aren't world cup winners.

A40:
Can we see that of Champions League plix.

I don't know what you mean by Champions League. This is the overall performance of these guys over the season and you're here trying to isolate a particular tournament.

Where you come from sef?

A40:
First off these statements have not been verified

Secondly this hardly indicates a roll call of best players just him listing the attributes he desired. Afterall he did not list the current Balon D'Or holder either

Now if Hazard like make he dribble pass Garrincha. Till he shows up on the big stage and wins titles like Neymar and especially Mueller he will forever be their subordinate

First off, you need verification? Refer to the screenshots below.

Secondly it's not a roll call. Refer to the screenshots again for clarification.

Thirdly the bolded is your personal opinion, which unfortunately doesn't matter in football world. A legend have spoken. His opinion matters much much much more than yours. Thank you.

Good night.

While we're at it... .

Squawka's top 10 midfielders across Europe this season, based on their Performance Score.

10. Franco Vazquez – 1018
Palermo finished the Serie A season in 11th place, but for Vasquez it was a fantastic season personally.
The 26-year-old Italian-Argentine star scored 10 goals in the league this season – three less than highly sought-after Paulo Dybala – but Vazquez is renowned for his creativity and that is where he demonstrated his ability.
Producing 68 chances in the league for Palermo, it was the most in his side and is a reason why he has been attracting so much interest.

9. Idrissa Gueye – 1034
The Lille midfield enforcer has been attracting plenty of interest over the last few weeks and it is little surprise that Southampton could be one of the clubs keeping tabs, as per the Mirror.
Gueye’s Performance Score was the highest for Lille this season and only one midfielder from Ligue 1 bettered it – which is impressive considering the pool of stars who play in the middle of the park for the likes of Paris Saint-Germain, Lyon and Marseille.

8. Kevin De Bruyne – 1036
De Bruyne stole the show for Wolfsburg this season and Jose Mourinho may just be scratching his head as to why he let the little winger leave Stamford Bridge.
The 23-year-old was Wolfsburg’s most creative player by a distance – producing 111 chances – Ricardo Rodriguez was the closest to him with 54.
The Belgian international, who helped his side lift the DFB-Pokal Cup on Saturday, registered 20 assists in the Bundesliga this season, which was more than any player in Europe’s top five leagues.
De Bruyne recorded more assists than any player in Europe’s top five leagues

7. Antonio Candreva – 1075
Candreva went one further than De Bruyne and bettered the former Chelsea man, after helping Lazio grab third place in Serie A this season.
The Italian outfit pipped Napoli on the final day of the season after winning 4-2 in Naples, with Candreva playing a big part in that success.
Creating 60 chances in the league this season, it was more than any other player at the club and his 10 goals in the top flight were just three short of top goalscorer Miroslav Klose.

6. Dimitri Payet – 1079
Marseille’s Dimitri Payet just about beats Candreva to sixth spot, after a fantastic all-round campaign for the France international at the Velodrome.
The midfielder played a stunning 117 key passes this season in Ligue 1, more than any other player in Europe’s top five leagues. From those 117 key passes, Payet registered 17 assists, the third-highest in Europe’s top five leagues and considerably higher than anyone in Ligue 1.

5. James Rodriguez – 1091
It may have been a poor season for Real Madrid as a team, with Carlo Ancelotti feeling the wrath of club president Florentino Perez, but it was a fantastic debut campaign for James Rodriguez.
A big-money move from Monaco placed plenty of pressure on the Colombian World Cup star’s shoulders, but he delivered the goods and Madrid’s season could have been even better had he avoided injury halfway through the campaign.
Rodriguez created 77 chances for Los Blancos in La Liga this season, more than anyone at the club, including Cristiano Ronaldo, and his 13 goals were bettered by just the Ballon d’Or winner and Karim Benzema at the Bernabeu.
Rodriguez had a 69% shot accuracy in La Liga this season

4. Yaya Toure – 1139
The Ivorian international may have had a quieter season than usual by his standards, but despite that, Toure remarkably finished the campaign with the fourth-highest Performance Score for midfielders in Europe’s top five leagues.
Toure made 29 appearances for Manchester City in the league, scoring 10 goals, and inspiring Manuel Pellegrini’s men on their end of season strong form.
The colossal midfielder missed a month when he travelled for the AFCON, which is further testament to just how well he performed, despite significant criticism.
Toure had just one assist this season compared to nine last year.

3. Arjen Robben – 1429
A lot of blame at Bayern Munich’s poor form at the end of this season was aimed at Franck Ribery’s absence from the side, but more so due to Robben’s long lay-off.
The Dutch star missed the defeat to the hands of Barcelona in the Champions League, but he has done the damage domestically prior to his injury.
Making just 21 league appearances, Robben managed a brilliant 17 goals. The ex-Chelsea and Real Madrid star was not there, and the 50 chances he created in the side was the highest this season, despite missing 13 matches. Brilliant.

2. Santi Cazorla – 1461
Arsenal’s midfield maestro Santi Cazorla had a fantastic season, particularly in the second half, as he inspired Arsenal to third place and an FA Cup win.
Cazorla, who was man of the match at Wembley, missed just one game in the league all season which came after an injury-laden 2013/14 campaign.
The Spanish international was the club’s third-highest goalscorer (7) and whilst six of them came from the penalty spot, Cazorla proved that he has more than just set-piece delivery in his locker.
Only Cesc Fabregas (18) registered more assists than Cazorla (11) in the Premier League this season and the 78 chances he produced in the top flight was bettered only by Alexis Sanchez (79) for Arsenal.
Cazorla registered the most assists at Arsenal this season (11)

1. Eden Hazard – 1818
The PFA Player of the Year was just one of the awards Eden Hazard managed to get his hands on, in a season where he won the Premier League and Capital One Cup.
Chelsea’s chief creator, Hazard took his performances up a level from the 2013/14 campaign and inspired Jose Mourinho’s men to top spot.
Managing 14 league goals this season, the 24-year-old produced 91 key passes in the top flight – the highest at Chelsea, the most in the Premier League and only bettered by Payet in Europe’s top five leagues.
Hazard was not done there and no player completed more take ons (184) than the Belgian in Europe’s top five leagues. Top spot to a fantastic footballer.
Hazard created 100 chances in the Premier League this season

http://www.squawka.com/news/the-top-10-midfielders-across-europe-this-season/388446

A40:
This is hardly relevant to anything. I don't recall anyone disputing Hazard's ability to 'drimble' what A-40 wants to know is why with all his drimbling abilities he has only been able to score 2 goals from open play in 3 years of Elite European football. A-40 also wants to know why he has only gotten past the first knockout round on one occasion

Why are some comparing him to his ancestors like Mueller and Neymar?

I'd expect any discerning Chelsea fan to ask themselves why his record is so abysmal in Europe

Timbros wants to know why a Bayern legend will name this abysmal Hazard among his best players. Timbros wants to know if Lahm doesn't know about Neymar or Mueller when he named Hazard. Timbros wants to know if A-40 and raumdeuter knows football more than Lahm.

How about that?

raumdeuter:
How did I deny Robben or Ribery? Robben was known for his pace mainly. In EUro 2004, Robben was 20yrs. How did Hazard perform when he was 20yrs?

Riberys first CL season with Bayern he had 4 goals and 7 assists.

They are known for productivity not for childish dribbles

So are you, raumdeuter, honestly saying here that Robben and Ribery are not known for dribbles?

Is that what your inner self is saying? Or are you saying this just to see if you can win an argument?

bigkesh:
u think lahm is biased like some virus in this thread??

As in ehhh!

I wonder what this very people will tell us here in the future IF, and that's a very big if, Hazard joins Bayern.

raumdeuter:
They are known for their goals and assists not for unproductive dribbles like an Under 17 player

Ribery with injury scored as many goals as Hazard this seasons CL.

Hahahahaha....

Finally I give up on you.

So you are now denying Robben and Ribery just to discredit Hazard! Like seriously?

How many goals did Robben score in Euro 2004 and in his first season with Chelsea when he started being popular? What was he known for? Goals? Or dribbles? Same with Ribery, what was he known for when he started?

Have any of this guys won top scorer or top assist in any of the leagues they played in pre Bayern?

Now I know that you have a PERSONAL hatred for Hazard.

SMH4U

raumdeuter:
Being a dribbler is one of the least attribute of a perfect midfielder. Its a luxury skill, good to have but not anything special. A player like Xavi tagged the best midfielder of his generation barely dribbles.

Those are the players known for dribbling Quaresma, Hazard, Ikedia, Bellarabi, Denilson

But Robben and Ribery dribble?

raumdeuter:
What Lahm is saying is obvious those attributes are what makes a good midfielder. Dribbling without end result like Hazard cannot make one a good midfielder just like Quaresma, Denilson and Ikedia found out

WHen you dribble and still have 2 goals from open play in 4 seasons in CL then you are on your way to being the Quaresma of this decade

Dribblers without end result

90's Denilson

2000's Quaresma

201X Hazard ??

Wow!

So Lahm, with all his football experience don't know the best dribbler to complete his 'perfect midfielder'? So he couldn't have used Robben or Ribery or Neymar or any other dribbler? But he was so dumb to mention Eden 'Ikedia Quaresma Denilson' Hazard.

Clap for yourself.

raumdeuter:
Being dribbled by the best player in football history is no shame compared to chelsea captain who was embarrassed by ordinary van persie.

Boateng biggest career game he dominated in a world cup final. How did eden Ikedia fare at the world cup

What was the biggest career game of the chelsea captain and how did he fare

Oga don't use that word to minimize the impact of what Messi did to Boateng that night.

Edit that post and use words like demolished, massacred, disgraced, brutalized, sodomized, dismantled, destroyed, embarrassed etc...

Never have I seen such memes flood the Internet after a dribble, not even your RVP vs JT example. Or tell me, have there been an incident like this you have experienced before?

That should tell you the extent of damage Messi did to your Boatank and by extension, to Neuer.

bigkesh:
Lahm was asked to describe his perfect midfielder, and he had this to say:

“Maybe Lionel Messi’s left foot could be the starting point – although his right one
isn’t bad, either. The right foot? Maybe Schweinsteiger, or Iniesta’s? They could have Xavi’s
vision, Xabi Alonso’s passing, Eden Hazard’s dribbling. Who have I missed out? Manuel
Neuer’s tackling, perhaps!”


Lahm and Ribery should stop famzing hazard

Two people here pretend not to see this....

Wait, is Lahm well at all? How could he not mention Ribery and/or Robben that he plays with week in week out?

xclusive43:
Yesterday's flash sale was fantastic,they probably lost too much that's why the wan do us wuru wuru

At least I got 2 InnJoo ONE yesterday.

But na this Infinix Hot Note I dey eye ever since.