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PoliticsRe: Buhari - Live In Kano With Pictures! by timbuktwo: 11:41pm On Mar 29, 2011
aletheia:
Dream on about consensus at this late stage of the game. It will never happen. BTW, will Buhari step down for Ribadu if ACN outperforms CPC come Saturday? See how we deceive ourselves?
great argument there mate. i'm convinced.
PoliticsRe: Buhari - Live In Kano With Pictures! by timbuktwo: 11:39pm On Mar 29, 2011
PapaBrowne:
The timing is late!! These are things they should have done long before the elections. Nigeria isa large with majority of the voters having very little access to media communcation. One week is too short a time to communicate to rural voters in the south west that their candidates have changed.

Anyway, one thing I am glad for is the fact that for the first time in our democracy PDP may not have a majority in the senate/House so they would have no choice but to perform excellently. Jonathan will win the elections and I'm glad to be voting for him. But I must commend Buhari for giving the PDP a good run for the money. After this elections they will never joke with governance!!
in a western country, yes, it would be too late but that's not how politics work in this country. most of the people here -most- vote for who they are told to vote for. they receive this information from their community leader/village elder/whatever who is constant communication with the lower echelons of the party machinery in the state. my point is this: if word comes through - even on the night before the election - that everyone in the village is to vote for buhari then mark my words everyone will vote for buhari. granted, this doesn't work for the educated, urban liberals, but then again most of the urban, educated liberals in the south west are gonna vote for buhari anyway  wink
PoliticsRe: Ibb, Atiku, Gusau Under Surveillance by timbuktwo: 11:24pm On Mar 29, 2011
Beaf:
Lol! GEJ wasn't ever looking for a deal! He's goal was to scatter them, look at what has happened to NPLF, half of them have gone with GEJ. Dude is very politically astute, people keep calling him names, and he just keeps right on defeating them. What battle has GEJ lost? He always wins quietly and people only realise the fact long after.

GEJ's next target is to cut Buhari support backbone in two. He has foraged far and wide in the North, gathering all the leaders into his camp. I can imagine that there will be a push this week to completly suffocate Buhari's support base. Buhari totally lacks skills and will be used as the greatest weapon against himself. Sit back and watch. cool
that's not what happened. he wanted the endorsement, he was literally begging - the dude went to ciroma's house and knelt down in front of the man - but couldnt get it as he refused to commit to their demands on paper because he already "promised" the igbos the presidency in 2015 and he doesnt want to lose their support.

as for you other comment on "suffocating" buhari's support  grin grin grin haba!! can someone please post some of the rally pictures up for this beaf to see? the guy is the biggest crowd puller this country has ever seen. let the emirs take your money. you really think they'll dare tell their people to vote for a GEJ?? jeez man, you really don't know anything about your country.
PoliticsRe: Buhari - Live In Kano With Pictures! by timbuktwo: 11:10pm On Mar 29, 2011
PapaBrowne:
True!! But that is only if Goodluck Jonathan gets no vote in the South West and North Central. Interesting Buhari will lose because he failed to outperform Jonathan in these two areas.

I know how muslims spread their message. Its through the mosques and transistor radios. And that is why he has the bulk of the muslims voting him in the Core North. In the south west however, majority of muslims are liberal and hardly go to the mosque.
i agree that this battle will be fought and won in the south west. but i honestly believe that this consensus thing will be finalised shortly. to be fair it's just a matter of timing and also whether or not the different parties will wait for a second ballot. i think what's happening is that they (cpc and acn) are waiting until the polls this weekend and they'll then use that as a starting point in any negotiations.
PoliticsRe: Ibb, Atiku, Gusau Under Surveillance by timbuktwo: 11:00pm On Mar 29, 2011
Beaf:
You guys stun me! In the same breadth as you cry for blood over corruption, you also cry for preferred candidates to flock with the cabal and other demons.
Do you really have the interest of Nigeria at heart? Something is terribly wrong, its called hypocrisy.

As for "game over," ask Atiku. grin
dude, i've never cried for blood over this nplf issue. i'm a pragmatist and this is politics. we both know how hard gej tried to get the support of these guys because he has an election to win - and if he had then it would have been a fantastic fillip for his chances; in fact, i probably would have thrown in the towel. but he didn't and now they are going to pick their consensus candidate and jonathan can wave goodbye to the north plus half of the south west. fair play to them. this is politics.

i'll chose to ignore your reference to the primaries because that was a completely different ball game. you can stage manage a party primary but you can't do that with an election - well you could, but the country would burn afterwards.
PoliticsRe: Ibb, Atiku, Gusau Under Surveillance by timbuktwo: 10:48pm On Mar 29, 2011
Beaf:
Hmmmm! Last I heard, Ribadu and his VP were having dinner with IBB, who enjoyed their company so much that he endorsed them. Things didn't end there though, Ribadu and Buhari were last sghted holding meetings with Ciroma's NPLF, IBB and Atiku to decide the next Northern consensus candidate.

Hmmmmmmm! shocked
you do realise that if/when that happens it's game over.
PoliticsHey, Has Anyone Met A Northerner Who Supports Gej Yet? by timbuktwo(op): 10:34pm On Mar 29, 2011
Following on from that other thread, I'm just wondering if we've found anyone who lives north of the Niger who's backing the big man.

Thanks
PoliticsRe: Buhari - Live In Kano With Pictures! by timbuktwo: 10:24pm On Mar 29, 2011
PapaBrowne:
I agree with you on the bolded!! That's what keeps me wondering why Buhari has chosen to focus his campaign strictly in the north. Instead of wasting money holding rallies in areas you are so sure of victory, wisdom demands that you go to areas where the PDP doesn't exactly have a very strong showing.

Places like Kogi, Kwara and many parts of the south west could easily have voted Buhari if he constantly pumped the space there with his campaign. All this moving from North West to North East would not help the man get votes!! It doesn't cost too much money to rent the airwaves of a local radio or TV station in states where you could grow your margins!!!
how do you think muslims spread their message. think about it.

secondly, while it would be detrimental to this country's progression it is entirely feasible for buhari to win this election without winning a single vote in the south south and south east.
PoliticsRe: Official Thread: BON Presidential Debate by timbuktwo: 7:43pm On Mar 29, 2011
unless he's now the invisible/mute man then yes, he didn't show
PoliticsRe: Buhahahah! As Emirs, Northern Leaders Reject Buhari by timbuktwo: 2:59am On Mar 29, 2011
if the believe the tribune, you'll believe anything wink wink in fact, i bet you haven't been to the north recently, have you? grin grin
PoliticsRe: If Gej Rigs This Election by timbuktwo: 4:12am On Mar 25, 2011
@ beaf

please add this to the list above:

The Nigerian Television Authority (NTA) yesterday rejected the campaign jingle of the presidential candidate of the Congress for Progressive Change (CPC) General Muhammadu Buhari on grounds that it contained messages that were offensive to the government. The jingle is the first intended to be run by the CPC on the national network. One of Buhari’s campaign aides who does not want his name in print told Daily Trust that after booking the advert and making necessary payments, they were later told that the jingle would not be ran on NTA because it was critical of government. The NTA authorities therefore demanded that such areas be removed. Director General of the Buhari campaign Alhaji Sule Hamma confirmed the incident, explaining that the jingle was turned down because it contains things like “no good roads,” and so on. “They said it was critical of the PDP government. By implication, NTA belongs to PDP,” he said. When asked what the campaign would do in view of the development, Alhaji Hamma said the CPC will explore constitutional means to seek redress.

He said the regulator body, NBC, has to ensure that every political party gets equal access to the media as provided by the law.

Attempts to speak with the NTA authorities last night failed.
PoliticsRe: Ciroma Group To Jonathan: You Are On Your Own by timbuktwo(op): 3:58am On Mar 25, 2011
I KNOW I POSTED THIS BEFORE BUT THIS IS SUCH A BIG BIG BLOW THAT I NEEDED TO POST IT TWICE (as well as type it in bold capital letters in case you are still yet to pick up on its importance)
PoliticsCiroma Group To Jonathan: You Are On Your Own by timbuktwo(op): 3:55am On Mar 25, 2011
Less than 48 hours to President Jonathan’s grand finale rally in Abuja, the Adamu Ciroma led Northern Political Leaders Forum (NPLF) and the Igbo Political Forum have withdrawn their support for the president, citing what they called his deceptive attitude in the series of talks held recently to find a common ground before the presidential elections.
The two groups, which have been collaborating on the contentious issue of zoning of the presidency, took the decision to dump President Jonathan at a meeting in Abuja yesterday, saying that his failure to give a definite commitment on the issue of his exit in 2015 and where the presidency will shift to was an indication that he is not ready to quit in 2015.

“We have resolved that he [Jonathan] can go it alone because his failure to give a commitment regarding 2015 is imbued with deception. It shows he is not ready to go in 2015,” a dependable source at the meeting said.

“If he is giving the North, let’s know and if he is giving the Igbos, he should say it clearly, and then the Igbos will approach us to seek our support,” he said. He also said the group will in due course make known the presidential candidate that its members will support before the presidential election.

A communiqué released afterwards said the meeting reaffirmed members’ commitment to the principle and practice of zoning and rotation of key political offices in Nigeria, which they considered necessary and sacrosanct for the unity, peace and stability of Nigeria.

“We re-affirmed our position on term limits for key political offices, particularly the office of the President, to the extent that any occupier of the office in 2011 will not seek re-election in 2015, at which time the position will be rotated to another zone,” the communiqué said.

“We have therefore resolved to support any candidate who shares our commitment to these principles and who is committed to practicing it,” it said, stressing that “such a candidate must, as a precondition, exhibit other qualities that are conducive to good governance - honesty, integrity, competence, sound policy direction and requisite experience.”

The leaders then urged their supporters and sympathizers across the country to be “properly guided in their choice of candidates in the forthcoming general elections and to reject any candidate who does not possess these qualities or subscribe to these basic principles, does not honour them and will not realize them if or when he comes into office.”

The communiqué signed by Alhaji Magaji Danbatta, chairman, and Chief Udenta O. Udenta, Secretary, also said a 9-man Technical Committee was set up to examine the issues raised in detail, explore viable options for the coming general election and make recommendation(s) to the plenary within the shortest possible time.”

The also condemned the culture of impunity and high level of intolerance, particularly “the intimidation, harassment and muzzling of political opponents by incumbent governments at all levels and the denial of right of assembly to opposition parties, including the denial of space for them to conduct their political campaigns.”

The leaders argued that “the tension, violence, desperation for power, and the culture of impunity and intolerance that have thus far characterized the electioneering campaigns are directly related to the culture of dishonesty that has crept into our political life as well as consequences of the attempt by certain political elite to jettison enduring principles for national political consensus building and political inclusiveness.”

“This ugly trend, if not arrested, is capable of derailing our democracy and of creating alternative means for the expression of dissent and discontent,” the communiqué warned.

Top among those NPLF side include Malam Adamu Ciroma, General Ibrahim Babangida, Atiku Abubakar, Alhaji Magaji Danbatta, Professor Ango Abdullahi and Alhaji Sani Zangon Daura.

Prominent among the Igbo leaders who attended include Senator Ben Obi, ABC Nwosu, Professor Charles Chukwuma Soludo, Chief Dubem Onyia, and Chief Benjamin Apugo.

The meeting also recalled that on 10 August, 2010, the NPLF and the South-East Consultative Forum, now Igbo Political Forum, had met at the Shehu Musa Yar’adua centre in Abuja to renew the age-old strategic partnership between the North and the South East and to develop a unified position on the issue of power sharing in the context of Nigeria’s political experience since 1999.

Speaking on the preparation for the election, the meeting noted the efforts of INEC, especially the “improved voter registration” and the intensity of public enlightenment but observed that INEC, political parties and the judiciary have been unable to resolve the issue of candidates in some constituencies.

“This is a recipe for chaos,” the communiqué said and called on all stakeholders to play their part to ensure that the general elections do not follow the path of the previous elections as the conduct of free and fair election is not the responsibility of INEC alone.
http://dailytrust.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14847:ciroma-group-to-jonathan-you-are-on-your-own&catid=2:lead-stories&Itemid=8
PoliticsRe: Sultan - North’s Leaders Have Failed by timbuktwo: 3:47am On Mar 25, 2011
you do know gej has been turning up at all these northern events "uninvited" because he couldn't get the nplf endorsement?

tongue
PoliticsRe: North, South-east Leaders Reject Jonathan by timbuktwo(op): 3:43am On Mar 25, 2011
[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=630997.msg7981419#msg7981419 date=1301020803]Sure.[/quote]you think i'm a northern because i don't like gej? dude, not all nigerians are tribalists like you.
PoliticsRe: North, South-east Leaders Reject Jonathan by timbuktwo(op): 3:36am On Mar 25, 2011
[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=630997.msg7981389#msg7981389 date=1301020027]The only game that you northerners have played is the game of coups. Other than that, you never been elected into office for anything.and don't count yaradua, we all know it was rigged. One man can't get 70% of votes in a country like nigeria, at least not him grin. Also, my people registered to vote en-masse in the north, so na wa for you and your useless insinuations. wink[/quote]i'm not a northerner huh
PoliticsRe: Sultan - North’s Leaders Have Failed by timbuktwo: 3:34am On Mar 25, 2011
and he's right. most northern leaders have failed the north but you can't include buhari in that list.
PoliticsRe: If Gej Rigs This Election by timbuktwo: 3:30am On Mar 25, 2011
Beaf:
Really? If you had been on NL just last year, you would have witnessed the way govt people dished death threats live. Today, there is no such thing anywhere.
Just last year as well, Ribadu was a fugitive in exile and fearing for his life, today he is in Nigeria contesting for the highest office. On several occasions, almajiri's have thrown stones at the Presidential convoy, they are still all alive, but just last year, the villages were the incidents occurred would most likely have been razed to the ground and the almajiri's summarily executed. Same goes for the taxi driver that rammed Jonathans car, he was arraigned in court. . .Alive.
Do I need to go on?

Under GEJ, Nigeria has changed dramatically.
if you are going to read the news then please be balanced. in the last two months alone i have read about children shot by the police for being in a group of people throwing stones at the presidents convoy in nasarawa; i have seen a leading presidential candidate being refused venues by state governors from the ruling party; i have seen a gubernatorial candidate shot dead; i have seen a well know internet blogger quizzed by the SSS and had his passports confiscated for no apparent reason; i have seen numerous deaths at political rallies caused indirectly and directly by the people sent there to protect them.

I could also go on.
PoliticsRe: North, South-east Leaders Reject Jonathan by timbuktwo(op): 3:14am On Mar 25, 2011
Beaf:
Have you heard of "triangulation?" Its a political term for the Nigerian version of divide and rule. . . Ours is called "kill and divide" though, cos its merciless. GEJ has done it so well that poor Ciroma is totally rinsed! Even as spends his last gasps spitting blood at GEJ, his very own dear wife is on the campaign trail for Goodluck/Sambo! Revenge is best served cold.

Its called high politics, and those bufoons had no clue what was coming! Being so used to the politics of almajiri crowds and stone throwing. Yes, Ciroma has many reasons to be even more bitter than he was at the time of Atiku's loss.
have you ever wondered whether or not it is them playing gej.  shocked shocked the north literally play this game for a living.
PoliticsRe: If Gej Rigs This Election by timbuktwo: 3:07am On Mar 25, 2011
Beaf:
Dude, I don't know about you, but Nigeria has changed. And it has changed for the better, never ever to return to the days of ethnic mafia's. The last embres are burning in Ciroma's eye's and he'll most likely have a heart attack as soon as GEJ's victory is announced. As for any rioting almajiri's, the thing that usually happens to them and the likes of Boko Haram will happen and Nigerians will clap.
you an I both know that's not true. i enjoy the banter with you but if i wanted to hear this kind of propaganda i'd watch NTA instead.
PoliticsRe: North, South-east Leaders Reject Jonathan by timbuktwo(op): 2:47am On Mar 25, 2011
Beaf:
Ciroma and his expired flock of old bats and decripit vultures!!! grin
Who cares?
apparently gej. otherwise why did he meet them so many times? maybe there were just exchanging cooking tips? wink wink wink
PoliticsRe: North, South-east Leaders Reject Jonathan by timbuktwo(op): 2:46am On Mar 25, 2011
[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=630997.msg7981224#msg7981224 date=1301017034]Liar! Liar!

South-East are in full support of Jonathan.

Try again.[/quote]not the ones that can think.

the ones that can think know that they are in the process of being screwed out of 2015.
the ones that can think know they've been screwed out of the PDP chairmanship.
the ones that can think know that gej - know matter what spin he is trying to put on it - isn't igbo.

or are you saying that igbos cant think?
PoliticsRe: Gas Project To Bring In $10b Foreign Investment by timbuktwo: 2:39am On Mar 25, 2011
Beaf:
Of course, I posted an article that clearly bears todays date in the past. Dude, you don't sound too clever, you must be tired, go and sleep.
you are 100% right; I apologise
PoliticsNorth, South-east Leaders Reject Jonathan by timbuktwo(op): 2:35am On Mar 25, 2011
The Mallam Adamu Ciroma led Northern Political Leaders Forum (NPLF) and the South-East Consultative Forum, now Igbo Political Forum yesterday resolved not to support the presidential ambition of President Goodluck Jonathan in the forthcoming presidential election.

NPLF's new resolve in collaboration with the South Eastern leaders, Peoples Daily reliably gathered, was as a result of President Jonathan's failure to meet the two key demands of the groups concerning tenure and the return of power to the North in 2015.

The NPLF, at a meeting with the President at the Abuja residence of Ciroma recently put those demands before Jonathan requesting him to promise to spend only one term in office commit himself to the return of the presidency to the North in 2015.

Those demands were also put on the table by the three former PDP presidential aspirants; Gen Ibrahim Badamasi Babangida (rtd), former Vice President Atiku Abubakar and Gen. Aliyu Mohammed Gusau (rtd) at their meeting with President Jonathan penultimate week in Abuja.

The insistence of the trio on having the President's commitment in writing was said to have resulted in the meeting ending in deadlock.

Although President Jonathan is keen to win the support of the NPLF, because of its perceived influence both within and outside the PDP, the party's Board of Trustees (BoT) last week warned the President not to enter into agreement with NPLF or any other group for a support.

In a joint communiqué announcing their stand issued yesterday, after their meeting, they stated that, "We reaffirmed our commitment to the principle and practice of zoning and rotation of key political offices in Nigeria, which we consider necessary and sacrosanct for the unity, peace and stability of Nigeria. We have therefore resolved to support any candidate who share our commitment to these principles and who is committed to practicing it. Such a candidate must, as a precondition, exhibit other qualities that are conducive to good governance - honesty, integrity, competence, sound policy direction and requisite experience. It is our conviction that the tension, violence, desperation for power, and the culture of impunity and intolerance that have thus far characterized the electioneering campaigns are directly related to the culture of dishonesty that has crept into our political life as well as consequences of the attempt by certain political elite to jettison enduring principles for national political consensus building and political inclusiveness. Those who come to equity, it is said, must come with clean hands.

"We re-affirmed our position on term limits for key political offices, particularly the office of the President, to the extent that any occupier of the office in 2011 will not seek re-election in 2015, at which time the position will be rotated to another zone," the communiqué further stated.

It stated that a 9-man Technical Committee has been set up to examine these issues in detail, explore viable options for the general election and make recommendation(s) to the plenary within the shortest possible time.
http://www.peoplesdaily-online.com/news/national-news/9114-north-south-east-leaders-reject-jonathan
PoliticsRe: Gas Project To Bring In $10b Foreign Investment by timbuktwo: 2:31am On Mar 25, 2011
you posted this before. and if i remember correctly both you and this so called "project" were rubbished thoroughly .

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