LabuleofNigeria:


Let me take you some diction tutorial;

Protect yourself from Coronavirus
Protect yourself against Coronavirus

Which is correct?

Both are correct.

E.g Use face mask as protection against coronavirus.

See image attached. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/against

LabuleofNigeria:


You are the doubting Thomas here, take the assignment yourself and come to me with your feedback.
Spiritualities dosent work that way, bro....
My assignment requires placing your own hands, using your own mouth and your own confession as i have clearly stated.

DO IT !

If I do it now how will you know I actually did it?

Ok, should i announce it here?

Deal?

LabuleofNigeria:


It seems you wasted your tution in school,
You dont pray for protection AGAINST a disaster.
You pray for protection FROM a disaster.

Simple diction.....
Caught u there again, forcefully trying to fix another hipocitical word & action on believers

Define against.

LabuleofNigeria:


Yes Hipocrite,
Destruction & Calamities are all from God in His manifestation, if you've got the guts He 'd non-existent, request for one bro

LabuleofNigeria:


Do my Assignment and get your self-conviction. Me pray for a sign for you ? (Nahhh )
Its your life, Take the assignment if you're so confident there's no God.

Take my Assignment & bring your feedback to me

I want you to do the prayer so that it will be fair.

Do we have a deal?

LabuleofNigeria:


Being against something is totally different from when you avoid something
https://myislam.org/auzubillah-minashaitan-nirajeem/

“I seek refuge in Allah from the outcast Shaitan”

You remain the Biggest hipocrite i have ever come across in my life. honestly.
i am a Scientist, i dont believe in sentiments but FACTS.
Come to the table with FACTS and TRUTHS only.

Oh my goodness. You've problem with comprehension.

Satan disturb you people, and you pray to God to protect you AGAINST Satan disturbance.

Against here means defense.

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

LabuleofNigeria:
Do one assignment tommorrow morning immediately you wake up from sleep (before talking to anyone & eating).
I know you do not believe in God & Spirituality. So fine, just take this as a litmus test.

Put your right hand on you forehead, call your names, call your mothers name 3 times, & tell God to ruin your ways beyond measures.
Tell Him to bring destruction and confussion to your endaevours and path if He truly exist.
Tell Him to endanger you with His Infinite difficulties.

dm me on Monday for feedbacks (thats if you still have a phone by then).

No fears.... do it with all sincerity !!!

Lol, is this the only way your God can show he exist? Destruction and calamities?

Or you're just frustrated like every other muslims.

Anyways, many people have cursed me to die in the past giving me some date expectancy which it all failed.

I will strike a deal with you, pray to your God to show me sign and if God didn't show me any sign between now and tomorrow 8am, you will publicly renounce Islam. Deal?

LabuleofNigeria:


"I seek refuge away from Satan & his whispers" "Mo wa iso kuro lodo esu"
Thats the meaning in English and Yoruba.
Seeking refuge from Satan and his whispers is what we do. very simple. Not praying against him

Aren't you praying to God against Satan?

You're praying AGAINST Satan.

What does it mean when you're against something?

Or you don't understand English again? Are you confused about the "prayer" there?

Secondly, stop being hipocritical again by picking up only the evil capacities of God to call him Evil, Call Him "The Supreme"

would you wake up one day to name the Sun as "Light" or "Heat"?. Of course ppl will call you stupid or being Hipocritical
it brings both light and heat, so call it the name that captures all its capacities "SUN"

God is good and also evil. You said it yourself. Let it be or you want to retract?

LabuleofNigeria:


Mr. Hipocrate,

I dont pray against satan. God never tells human to pray against Satan.
We desist from satan and his whispers, we desist from doing evil. God instructs mankind to desist from doing EVIL.

(I named you "Hipocrate" because you came-up with another falsehood: saying i pray against Satan)

2. God is not EVIL my dear hipocrate brother.
This is why you need to learn better, God is a Supreme master that bestows both Good & Evil in proportion on mankind

You're contradicting yourself.

What does "auzubillah minashaitan nirajeem" means if you don't pray against Satan?

You're still saying same thing, if God create and allow evil to exist then he's also evil, he's good and evil.

LabuleofNigeria:


Of course, he is responsible for all evil and sweetness of the world, he never debunks that.
Everything in life is +ve, & -ve. Rain & sun, Light & darkness etc all are his handwork.

What else do you want to hear
Why do you go to the extent of forming irrational lies against God just to show your fellow mankind that you can think better ?

So uncalled for
I MAINTAIN MY STAND, DELETE THIS THREAD OF LIES & HIPOCRISY.

Why do you then pray against Satan when God Is the one responsible for evil?

What's the purpose of being good when God himself is evil?

LabuleofNigeria:


Yes bro ! Dont give him YOUR humanly-coined titles he never called himself all to justify your hipocrisy

Delete this your thread NOW cos its obviously irrational, falsehood and coined out of YOUR SELFISH hipocrisy

If God is evil then he's to be blame for evil? Yes?

Rilwayne001:


Why don't you simply answer the question¿?

Evil and good. You're yet to give a concise definition to it. You've only stated that evil is the opposite of good. Dafuk is that

Morality is a human thing, animals don't recognize what morality is like we humans. Lions by nature are predators.

Good and bad is human concept and in most cases good is associated with "well-being" which means being comfortable, healthy, happy and anything that doesn't promote human flourishing and empathy is evil. That's my understanding of morality.

LabuleofNigeria:
Goodness, love, evil, kindness, justice, grace, forgiveness, punishment, etc are all from God (Allah)..... He is "All-Wise"

Stop the hipocrisy in other to butress your intelligence ignorance. you are just a human

Okay.

Rilwayne001 you can see that. This is the second person that said evil is from God in this thread.

LabuleofNigeria:


Your post is filled with lies and hipocrisy. Where has God (Allah) tagged himself as "All-loving", "All-good" ?

God (Allah) has tagged himself "All-Wise", "All-Powerful", "The Great" etc

Ok, Allah is not all-loving and all-good.

Rilwayne001:
Definition. What are your definitions?

Knowlege isn't acquired by jumping from one thread to the other.

A pride of lions attacked a pregnant deer. They brutally murdered the deer and even eat it's foetus. Is this evil or good?

Your ignorance stinks to high heaven. Obviously.

Lol. He's using predator lions has example for morality.

What definition are you looking for?

Rilwayne001:


Is this how you're consoling yourself now?

Did you answer my question on 2sweet+biscuit or 2 sweet + agbo? Oh yeah your brain would have opened had you answered it. But of course you don't want it to open


Your atheist brothers must be ashamed of you

The All-sweet giver grandma give agbo? Yes right?

Rilwayne001 has been cornered.

He said a wise ALL-blue ink pen can write black ink, so which means the ALL-blue pen has black ink too(then the pen cannot be all blue). So God has evil.

I guess he realize he has flopped.

Rilwayne001:


You obviously can see me running away with tail between my legs, can't you? Hahahaha yadayada.

Maybe I'll come back when I see your atheist brothers weigh up on what we've discussed so far. But continuing despite all these your feign of ignorance? Nahh! And yes I've taken the escape route. Running away that is..LOL

Oh well since you realize your claims has been dismantled, well what next...?

...Keep running away.

Xmuslim:
While I don't like the evils that's happening on our planet, I don't really care much about it and it can't lead me out of Islam per se.

My real issue with Allah is the promise of eternal hell to anyone that doesn't believe in Islam. Like wtf

And Allah did not make any effort to guide people to Islam.

He allowed Bible to be currupt Ed according to Muslim claim

He allowed people to be born in Japan, the Netherlands and other countries where there is little or no chance for such children to die as a Muslim

If an attributes of God is contradictory then something is wrong.

Reason there are problems of Evil, omnipotence, omni-scient etc in philosophy.

Rilwayne001:


Yeah. The logic you've displayed so far isn't absurd. Mine has been ridiculous and really absurd. Lmao I asked what's your definition and understanding of evil, your reply was, there are two types of evil. WTF! Is that the right answer? Lol. But of course there's logic and nothing absurd in whatever you relay here.

I just hope your atheists brothers on this thread is see the type of empty illogical keg that you're.. LOL.

Have a nice day oh

Lol the dishonesty in this post, so in my post you didn't see my understanding of evil?

I even define it twice.

-Evil In this sense doesn't promote well-being.

-Goodness associated with well-being, evil is the opposite.
https://www.nairaland.com/5934576/what-did-wish-allah-didnt/1#90834227

And yes there are two types of evil, natural evil e.g natural disasters, diseases and the second one is human evil.

If you want to find an escape route at least find a good reason to run away.

Rilwayne001:
Wow!!! ^^^^your fellow atheist brethrens on this thread should see your hypocrisy and illogicals by now. Lmao!

Have a nice day padi mi

Stop this red herring and point out the hypocrisy there.

I assume you can see how absurd the concept of OMNI/ALL is with God.

FuckTheWorld:

You're a freethinker and your argument is logical.

Many religious folks just formulates and idea of God in their heads and imaginations and.... religion is born.

God is not what people think he/she/it is.
GOD IS BEYOND THE HUMAN IMAGINATIONS
GOS CANNOT BE IMAGINED
GOD IS NOT ALL-GOOD, ALL-LOVING blablabla etc.

GOD IS EVERYTHING!

GOD IS GOOD, BAD, EVIL, LOVING ETC.

God is a balance between evil and good

GOD CREATED EVERYTIME BOTH EVIL AND GOOD.

Ok, thanks for the contribution.

Rilwayne001:


I think I know where the problem comes from, what is your definition of EVIL? Or simply, what's your knowledge of it?

There are two types of evil, natural evil and the one human do.

Evil In this sense doesn't promote well-being.

So if I say, someone is tall, but not just tall, he's got long legs too. What would be rational is basing your questions solely on why he has long legs alone?

Or perhaps you didn't even understand what wisdom is? Your matter tire me oh

Oh goodness.

It doesn't make sense to single out one of His attributes. It's just like saying you can attack my personality solely based on my hands alone. You don't have any business with my brain because my was is not the part of me that's typing this. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

You can't single out one His attributes and say you're "Focusing" on it. You have to put into consideration similar attributes for which they got in tandem together.

Wether I single out one attributes or not, it's doesn't change anything in the premise.

The pen, if it has wisdom, may choose to write black, to fit in a scenario where black color is necessary. You possibly can't know what the pen is capable of. Could even write red where necessary. Does not stop the color from being blue, but has has enough wisdom to know where and where not to stick to blue color.

Good, if an ALL-blue ink pen can write black ink, does it have black ink too?

I'm not saying the pen cannot be blue if it has black ink, it cannot be ALL-blue ink, understand the argument.

My argument is base on absolutism of "ALL" or "OMNI".

It depends on what you define to be evil. You need to refer back to my earlier post on this quote.

Answered.

This doesn't make sense. Your dad has enough money to buy as much sweet as he can to satisfy your desire for what you term "GOOD" (eating plenty sweet everyday) as a 2YEAR OLD BOY. The very fact that he doesn't want you do this thing that you presumed to be GOOD, when actually bad in the Long run is what my argument is all about. This is very simple and logical if you'll give room for reason.

You're confusing yourself, if the sweet here means good, does that mean good is bad too?

You still don't get, if the father is ALL-sweet giver, he will always give sweet because he's ABSOLUTE with it and if he deprived a child from the sweet then he cannot be ALL-sweet giver because he has limit and has sense of not giving sweet. He's still a sweet giver but not ALL-sweet giver.

Kindly check the definition of OMNI.

Perfect. Check this:

My grandma used to give me very bitter agbo when I was a kid. She'd bring it in bottle whenever she comes to our house. I never really liked her whenever she brings it because I thought she just enjoyed seeing us looking bitter after taking the agbo.

As a TWO YEAR OLD BOY, assuming you were provided with an option to take 3 sachet of sweet + 2 biscuits, or for you to take 2 sachet of sweet + 1 bottle of agbo, honestly tintingz, which do you think you would you pick??

Your answer to this^^ should bury this argument easily.

Smh.

Let's assume the grandma is an ALL-sweet candy seller, can she sell bitters?

You need to tell me your understand of goodness and evil.

Goodness associated with well-being, evil is the opposite.

Wisdom dictates that taking agbo and sweet, as a two year old boy reduces constipation and less sugar in the body system. But goodness to a two year old boy is eating sweets and more sweet with biscuit, and never taking agbo because agbo is bitter.

Can you honestly see the difference?

Wisdom dictates that we pick the argument from scratch which we've failed to do. We need to reach a consensus on what's evil and what's good.

The grandma is wise, has knowledge and she's ALL-candy seller, if she sell bitters because of her wisdom, is she still ALL-sweet seller?

Other specie are special too. I just decided to pick human. Do you think there's nothing special anatomy of a gorilla?

Like I said all specie are special in their nature. Yes the anatomy of gorilla is special.

The dilemma is,

If God is all-loving then he must love evil, In this case God cannot be all-good and if he doesn't love evil he cannot be all-loving.

This becomes a paradox to the attributes of God.

Do you have any counter-argument for this?

Rilwayne001:


Good. Let's take this from here. From your own perspective, why do you think evil is necessary?

Nope, I don't think evil is necessary.

This is the third time that I'll be pointing out that the attributes of God isn't limited to being ALL GOOD alone. He's also ALL WISE.

I've said that he can be all wise and all whatever else he's, the argument here is about one of the attributes of God which is "all-good".

I can counter all other attributes of your God, but we're focusing on All-good.

I used a pen as example, a pen can be all long, all beautiful and all blue ink and many other attributes but what happens when the pen writes black ink, is it part of it nature too?

Is evil part of God's nature even when he's all wise?

Again, God is not just ALL, he's also ALL WISE. Let me give you a typical example:

Imagine yourself when you were 2years. You liked eating sweet and you wouldn't mind replacing it with your 3 square meal per day. Assuming you too one carton of sweet in a whole day, and the next day, you about to start taking another carton. Then your dad collects it, citing that sweet too much of sweet is dangerous for your health. And that you'll not be taking sweet ever again as it will damage your teeth. Cause constipation for you, and that constipation will lead to many other problems that may even eventually lead you to death.

You know as a 2year old you can't understand this implications. Of course you enjoyed the sweet so much you think there's no problem whatsoever as much as you can. This is tantamount to how you view GOOD. And why you keep thinking everything needs to be good.

But of course you dad understand the implications in the long run, so he had to cut it short, because what you're focusing on, which is based on your limited knowledge as a 2 year old boy is the short run. You sure will agree with me that a 2 year old boy can't be smart than his father. And the father will always want the best for him.

Simply, to the boy, with his limited knowledge, he would believe his father not allowing him take sweet is doing evil to him. And that the father is a bad person for not allowing him enjoy what he thought to be good. But of course, you would agree with me that the father his not evil has the boy thought. But that there is WISDOM in father allowing the boy not to have all he wants because its for a greater good, and not the short-run good that the boy seeks. DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS?

I believe I've broken this argument so very well for you by making it even more elementary.

If the father is all-sweet giver, if he deprive giving the child sweet then he cannot be all-sweet giver because he has limit to his attributes and sense of not giving sweet.

Or let's do it this way, if the father is all-sweet giver, can he give the child bitters?

And does too much goodness put one in danger?

You're being biased in the premises. Before we come to the premise, there's need to give meaning and agree to understand each notable words in the premise. The question you're leaving out of this context is that, is WISDOM lacking in the nature of God? If not, then do you understand the wisdom behind why evil exists?

Lol, even if wisdom is added to the premise how does it change anything?

Ok.

P1. God is all-good and all-wise
P2. Evil exist
Q. Is God all-good for evil to exist?

So evil exist and NECESSARY for God, how does the all-wise attribute of God further maintain that God is all-good? Where and how does evil come into existence In the present of an all-good God?

Possible logical answer is,

1. God love evil or evil is part of God's nature
2. Evil is independent and God cannot do anything to stop it.

Do you have any counter-argument for this?

Human anatomy is what constitutes the human body (pica below). Atheist believe there's nothing special in it.

I actually know what human anatomy is and I said every specie are special in their nature and you said that's not what you're talking about then you showed me pic of human body part, so what exactly is the argument here?

Rilwayne001:


You're looking for who to bait into to circular arguments, but I'm not taking this.

Nope, you're the one going in circles with your beliefs not logic. It's like playing tennis without a net.

You believe God is all-good with certainty and when challenged with question why evil exist(now paradox), you claim his knowledge isn't known, how did you know about this?, because a book said so. That's circular reasoning.

In logic there are premises and when there's a paradox you check it out and accept the paradox not hide under faith or belief, that's fallacy.

I'm trying to take you out of these circles and accept there's a problem and not just claim God knowledge cannot be known and then again you certainly know he's somehow all-good.

I believe I've given a very concise example to buttress my point on why the need for evil isn't entirely bad as it seems. My expectations was that you tackle the major point ( which I termed my perspectives) one after the other, but as usual ignored it to tackle God.

I don't get, who are we talking about in this discussion again?

Didn't I address that your carpenter-chair analogy doesn't follow the logic here?

My arguments is not why evil is necessary, my argument is that why does an all-good God allow evil to exist. If evil is necessary with an all-good God then God cannot be all good.

Evil isn't entirely bad. Excessive good will naturally lead to it been valueless and eventually cause more havoc worse that the normal evil. This philosophy of mine is too hard for you to comprehend I guess.

This is subjectivist fallacy. There's nothing like "philosophy of mine" in a philosophical argument, you have to follow the logical premises.

P1. God is all-good by nature
P2. Evil exist
Q. Can God be all-good?

Take note, I didn't say this is the major reason why God allowed evil, but rather from the intellect he's given us, we can deduce that perhaps this is just of the many reasons why it exist. Basically because he's All knowing and All Wise.

This doesn't answer the question rather you're going in circles.

He's not just All good, he's as well ALL WISE. WISDOM dictates something a situation that seem bad, but eventually at the end good. This is very very simple to understand if you're paying attention. And I just demonstrated to you why there's good in bad of life occurrences. What else do you what?

We're talking about the goodness nature of God, he can be all wise, all wisdom that doesn't excuse questioning his all-good nature when he allow evil to exist.

It's like saying this pen is all long, all beautiful and all blue in ink but what happens when it write black ink? Is black ink part of it nature?

You take things one after the other. Don't jump to paradise yet. One step at a time.

Nope, it follows logic. If there's a world where evil Is necessary to balance and make values what then do you say about a world(paradise) where evil doesn't exist?

Sigh. I'm not taking this bait. Lol

It's not a bait.

Every specie is special. I'm not disputing this..

Did you understand what I meant by "Human anatomy"?

Nope, maybe you should explain.

Rilwayne001:


He's all good and also all wisdom. It's not possible for the chair to have more wisdom or similar wisdom like the carpenter.

He alone knows the true reason why evil exists. But from my own little understanding, I can make you see from my perspective.

For things to work out fine in this world, there must be evil. When we have good solely, then good becomes valueless because it'll start losing meaning. This same logic can be applied to the notion of money. Money is good, ask yourself, why can't the government print a lot of it for the poor to meet the rich standards?
Obviously because it'll become valueless and will cause inflation and consequently economic depression. I've applied this same logic to good and bad too. When there's no bad whatsoever and only peace, peace becomes valueless and even bring greater misfortune worse that bad.

Although to God his overall wisdom. We only know a fraction of what he wants us to know through our intellect.

Since no one can understand God wisdom, why do you worship him? How can you know he do/does meaningless things? I've created a thread on this. I hope you know this is a special pleading fallacy.

Your logic is flawed, I'm trying to point out the paradox of an all-good God.

If God is all-good by nature (absolutism), he can never love evil, he can never allow evil to exist except he's not all-good.

Think yourself as an all-good being by nature, everything about you is absolutely good, will you allow evil to exist?

Ok, since bad and good gives balance to things(which I think it's not necessary for an omnipotent God), is paradise a meaningless place?

We've argued this before, I can't afford to waste my time again.

You can't use a chair that doesn't feel pain, conscious as your analogy, a chair cannot make any objections nor experience pains. How do you expect a chair to question the carpenter when it's not conscious? Do you reason out before proposing this analogy?

I even made it easier that let's assume the chair is sentient (because using a chair that's not conscious is totally absurd).

We all need it more. We'll need to think and ponder more everyday. Atheist refused to think, the major reason why you think there's nothing special in human anatomy. Smh.

Atheists refused to think? Coming from someone that doesn't understand his God, a God he can't prove, why not as well believe in fairies.

Every specie are special in their nature, so I don't know where you get that claim from.

Rilwayne001:
We all want good things, but life can never offer good things. Good and evil must exist for life to balance.

If God is true, evil and good can exist only if God loves evil. God is all-good, allowing evil to exist contradict his all-good nature.

And the creature don't dictate to the creator. Just like it is impossible for the chair the carpenter made to dictate how he wants to be constructed to the carpenter.

A chair isn't a sentient entity, you should have look for a better analogy.

But let's assume a chair is a sentient entity, what's wrong telling the carpenter what it want or what he should have done?

Y'all should ponder and reason.

You should also ponder and reason, I think you need it more.

AntiChristian:


X Muslim is cool right? And you've been so far Anti-muslim here. You and your pal, T..

Correction, not anti-muslim.

Anti-bad-dogmatism.

Things i wished Allah should have done when I was a Muslim.

1. Stop the killing of apostates
2. Stop the Killing of non-believers
3. Stop the Killing of adulterers
3. Stop the Killing of homosexuals
4. Women having equal rights with men
5. Should have never created humans and Satan if he knew many will burn in hell for eternity.
6. Should have never allowed Adam and Eve to eat the fruit he himself put there.
7. Immediate divine help and justice
8. Allah shouldn't be hiding
9. He should never allowed slavery.
10. He should have never allowed people like Hitler, Mao, Stalin and many evil serial murderers exist.
11. Should have not allowed natural disasters, diseases exist
12. Should have made everyone have unified morality and beliefs.
13. Killing of children in Noah's, Moses and Lot story.
14. Killing people with flood which didn't solve anything
15. Killing the people of Sodom and Gomorah when he can avoid doing that from onset.

I can go on and on

AntiChristian:


How do you define an extremist?

So far I have never killed anyone and don't intend to. That's a figment of your imagination.

And of course religion improved my empathy!

Extremism is an ideology.

When you're extreme about your ideology without using your brain.

Xmuslim:


I agree. Even some of the fundamental of Islam was copied from Jews, Christian and idol worshippers

Examples

1. Jew pray 3 times a day. Muslim did similar stuff and even faced Jerusalem for a while. Later changed to kaaba and Qur'an claimed it was to test the believers. That doesn't go well with me.

2. Pilgriamage today is 90% of what the kuffar use to do. Muhammad only edited it. Infact, there was another kaaba in Yemen, which Muhammad ordered his soldiers to demolish. This means kaaba in makkah is not special. It was built purposely for idols. The ibraheem story is a fallacy.

3. Nothing like Islamic months. It is the calender of the Arab before Islam and they had sacred months. Islam took it verbatim and repasted it in the Qur'an.

4. Some of the hudud(punishment) such as cutting the hand of the thief was the practice of the Arab before Islam. Muhammad reported it in the Qur'an as if it was divine revelation.

There are lots of other examples that invalidate the claim of prophethood of Muhammad. But I respect his intelligent. He accomplished an impossible task. He must be a genius.

Very well putted.

Some practices are well known before Muhammad came, he just edited to his own favor. He copied his stories mostly from the Jewish mythology while the Jews copied from previous mythologies of other cultures.

There's nothing special about Muhammad, he was just smart person like the previous people who claim to receive revelations and want people to believe them.