₦airaland Forum

eggheaders: call it whatever. I don't just think is cool anymore hating one another for stupid reasons.

.....hmmmnnn Praise God, somebody up there is praying for one of Nairaland's bigoted and abusive personality.....I am still watching him may be he is just trying to be trickery

This man (Jonathan) is not daft as widely assumed afterall! Indeed, our youths need total re-orientation on their mind-sets

All these funky mallams with their empty threats and pipe dreams

...and this is the same man (Jonathan) some goons in the house called series of derogatory names delivering the 'goods'! I pray, hatred will not send some hardcore typically-bent dolts in the house to their early graves because this Jonathan will be there till 2019! You can quote me

[quote author=eagle,eye]Dayo, I have simply refused to comment further on this first coup issue. Because the lines are blurred, and we can argue about intents from now till tomorrow and nothing will come out of it.
But in our former arguement, you somehow justified the POGROMS AND THE GENOCIDE of the Igbo ethnic group based on this first coup. I still find it hard to believe that someone who has the capability to read this wide, will equally have the mindset of justifying evil, all in the name of winning an arguement.
Dayo, even some of the actors of that ill fated war such Black Scorpion later regretted the role they played.[/quote]He is always negative against the Igbos on anything in the Nigerian-Biafran War because of what Captain Nwobosi did to his hero, Chief S.L Akintola, so you can excuse him for his incoherent ramblings

ckkris: Captain Joe Garba was the gallant officer whose sargent refused to obey Brig Ogundipe. Fast-forward to the year 2000, there was another tribal war in Jos. As retired Major-General Garba approached a road block mounted by native indigenes of Plateau State, they recognised him, and cried out 'you see the result of what you imposed on us?'
The fight over who owns the plateau continues.

They (the then minorities in the north) thought they were one with the core northerners but they have long been 'gamed' by the Hausa-Fulanis!

django1: And you don't?

Seriously, you in particular is an interesting character.

django strikes again

ckkris: Which one is the lie? That the victorious vanquishers are now receiving their just dessert?
That if a Yoruba, Ogundipe, Wey, or Adebayo, had become Head of State, as Ojukwu demanded, discipline would have been sustained, and there would have no war.
Nigeria is back to the same scenerio of 1965, of tribal killings in the north, and this time no military officer will interfer.
In 1965 Sardauna ordered an Ibo commander of Joint Task Force to kill Tiv protesters, the Army Major refused, and was promptly redeployed by Tafawa Balewa.
And South-west was wild wild wild, as AKintola was being armed by Col Largema. And Sardauna deployed MOPOL to Ibadan, to shoot at sight the operation wetie rioters.
These things have to be declassified for people to stop argueing blindly.

...they won't reason along that line with you, we have been on this road before, the people you are debating with have their own 'prepared memo' they are arguing from!

miiraaj: @op, these your questions have been begging for answers since 2010, and I bet you will wait for a life time to get the answers, because Nigerians are not ready for the truth.

The dynamic nature of BokoHaram beats ones imagination and I can begin to wonder how any reasonable group will crop up, and start fighting for an unknown cause. They claim to fight the government, but end up bombimg churches and places where ordinary citizens are found. How many government facilities have they destroyed compared to those of ordinary individuals.

I am a Muslim, and a Northerner.I have travelled through all areas of the north,know people of diverse ideologies! But still haven't met anyone that understands the phenomenum of Boko haram.

Its unfortunate that in Nigeria, many claim to be educated but are actually illiterates. Many will tell you Buhari is behind boko haram,IBB, the Northern elders are all behind boko haram etc but without actually any proof,whereas those found making incriminating comments are given a breathin space.

How do we help solve the problem when everybody points accusing finger to the wrong people?

Let all the citizens be wise. If any part of the country wishes to secede, it should employ a civilised nd conventional means instead of cheap blackmail.

....and what is that truth funky mallam

Too many babies and marauders having a field day on this urban legend! I will rather watch how they fight dirty, argue blindly on this surmise!

I have always given this topic a thought going by the popular maxim that; change is the only thing that is constant! Nigerian political terrain may appear scary and dangerous for a female to assume the exalted position of the C-in-C however it is not impossible on the long run to have a female President in this country, don't you agree?

Ki ree

chiover: take two tablets of panadol,Amala,chemiron, and 7shots of alomo so that your brain will clear like crystal. See you see oversabi.

Do you know that I was almost mistaking his thread to be a nursery rhyme like; Polly Put that kettle on, Polly put that kettle on, Polly put that kettle on and let's have tea! Very funny dude!

ckkris: A Yoruba Head of State would have maintained military discipline and avert war.

Murtala Mohammed and other born-to-rule fulani officers, would never take instructions from a minority pagan vassal from their northern Nigeria.

Ojukwu was re-iterating Command and Control, which later created problems when TY Danjuma was promoted Lt. General, above his boss and defence minister Major General Ilya Bissala.

The military and federal institutions became the inheritance of fulani tribe. Obasanjo tactically obeyed his junior Shehu Yar'adua.
Thats how things began to deteriorate, and it Obasanjo again, as elected President to start the process of transforming the military back to a national institution.

And boko haram in the armed forces is resisting every step.

Another Gospel Truth! You have eyes to see bro

Lord Have Mercy! Indeed, Heaven will be filled with 'terrifying surprises'! God is watching us, rest in peace to the dead!

Katsumoto: So it is no longer confederacy? It is now that Gowon as a Northerner was unacceptable as Head of State? Was that part of the agreement at Aburi, for Gowon to step aside? Not only are you inconsistent, you are being disingenuous. Soon you will tell us that Gowon agreed to wear pink uniform but carried on wearing green.

Can you please tell us what Gowon agreed to at Aburi that he didn't implement? It really is exasperating when folks try to use sentiments in debate.

Why is it so difficult to address the main issue.

Gowon and Ojukwu had an agreement at Aburi.
Gowon implemented Decree 8 to satisfy the provisions at Aburi.
Ojukwu rejected Decree 8 because he felt it didn't address all his requests.

Can the Biafrans tell us what Gowon didn't implement that was so vital for millions of innocent people to die for?

at the bolded, obviously, your Gowon's Decree 8 was a fraud, that was why there was never an agreement between the warring factions!
I have never denied the fact that a confederacy or something closer to it (as you would want it painted) was agreed upon at Aburi! Fine Decree 8 was implemented by Gowon to accommodate the aggrieved party (Biafrans) but after careful examination Ojukwu discovered that it was not satisfactorily concocted, and are you also aware that if the Biafrans had taken the contents of the Decree 8 hook line and sinker as at that time, Nigeria would have engulfed in flames, in just a matter of few months, according to Chief Philip Asiodu (one of the central Super permanent secretaries of the era)? Why flogging the issue of Decree 8 as an issue Katz? And what would a Decree 8 have done when tens of thousands were being massacred under the watch of Gowon, already there was a total collapse of trust between the Easterners and the ruling North, hence, having a Northerner at the helms of affair definitely portends danger, remember, Ojukwu never recognized Gowon (a party to the Coupists) as the Head of State!

Ojukwu suggested the idea of Aburi Accord for peace to return to the land to Gowon (then Head of State) with the plan to convince Gowon on why it is wrong for him (being a Northerner) to occupy that position of a Head of State, when a particular region (Eastern region) have been emotionally bruised (as a result of the 1966 May to September pogrom) expectedly as a gentleman that Gowon claimed to be, he chose to stay put! At that time, any candidate from North and to add insult upon injury, from the camp of the 'Coup Plotters' will send the wrong signal to the camp of the Igbos because of the palpable tension brewing, and after the whole Meeting at Aburi, what do we have, a sitting Head of State failing to honour his own part

T9ksy: Abi ojare, my brother!!! I tire for these people o!

I believe they are too scared and ashamed to admit, at least to themselves that their leaders especially ojukwu

didn't give a r.at's ar.se about them and infact, ojukwu 419ed them to satisfy his inordinate ambition.

That's why the act of introspection is not hardwired into their DNA.

For that statement, you are an unfortunate human being, don't you know that this is not a beer parlour, look up this is Nairaland, we are discussing something serious and which is still living with us till date, yet you are spewing garbage, and if you are in Ojukwu's shoes, what would you do? A Confederacy was settled for at Aburi in Accra, Gowon got to Lagos and decided to circumvent an agreement painted in white, and you are here waffling

Katsumoto: Its a very simple question, yet these chaps won't answer it. Rather than accept that they didn't understand why they fought, they continue to blame Gowon. I think its because Igbo folks believe they are infallible and never wrong. It must always be the fault of others if things go wrong.

Gowon implemented decree 8 to satisfy Ojukwu's demands at Aburi; what did Gowon agree to that he didn't implement? Simples

Didn't they agreed on a confederacy Katz?

Katsumoto: Stop dancing around the issue.

What did Gowon not implement from Aburi? What was missing in Decree 8? You chaps need to be sincere.

But you have been the one not sincere here since the commencement of this debates, by defending anything Gowon, FG on the ill-fated war I decided not to join the debate because of some 'clownish statements' from people who aree typically bent, hence, their judgment is on sentiment and not on facts!

Here is your Decree 8;

Decree No. 8 of 1967

The main feature of this Decree in the vesting in the Supreme Military Council of both the legislative and executive powers of the Government of the Federation. The Federal Executive Council which has hitherto exercised these powers has now been divested of them and it is henceforth to discharge those functions that are specifically delegated to it by the Supreme Military Council.

2. In the exercise of these legislative and executive powers, the concurrence of the Head of the Federal Military Government and of all the Military Governors is, for the first time, made essential in respect of certain matters which are set out in section 69 (6) of the Constitution. These are, to mention a few, matters affecting or relating to trade, commerce, industry, transport, the Armed Forces, the Nigerian Police, Higher Education, and the territorial integrity of a Region and the provisions of the sections listed in the proviso to section 4 (1) of the Constitution.

3. On the other hand, the legislative and executive powers of the Regions have been fully restored and vested in their respective Military Governors. But the provisions of section 86 of the Constitution of the Federation ensure that no Region shall exercise its executive authority so as to impede or prejudice the exercise of the executive authority of the Federation or to endanger the continuance of federal government in Nigeria.

4. The provisions of section 70 of the Constitution of the Federation give powers to the Supreme Military Council to take over the executive and legislative functions of a Regional Government during any period of emergency which might be declared in respect of that Region by the Supreme Military Council, while those of section 71 give the Supreme Military Council power to take appropriate measures against a Region which attempts to secede from the rest of the Federation, or where the executive authority of the Region is being exercised in contravention of section 86 of the Constitution.

5. On the question of amendment to a Regional Constitution, section 5 of the Constitution of the Federation has been suitably modified to the effect that in respect of certain matters mentioned in the section like, the appointment, tenure of office and terms of service of High Court judges, the functions of the Public Service Commission, the establishment of a Consolidated Revenue Fund, etc., andy Edict made shall come into operation only with the concurrence of the Supreme Military Council.

6. The Advisory Judicial Committee established under Decree no. 1 of 1966 and which before now tendered advice to the Supreme Military Council regarding appointment of judges all over the Federation ahs been abolished. Each Military Governor now controls appointment of judges of the High Court of his Region. But the appointment of the judges of both the Supreme Court of Nigeria and the High Court of Lagos is made the sole responsibility of the Supreme Military Council.

7. All appointments to posts in the superscale group 6 and above in the Public Service of the Federation and appointments to posts of Deputy Commissioner of Police and above in the Nigeria Police Force are now to be made by the Supreme Military Council. The functions formerly discharged under sections 110 and 146 of the Constitution of the Federation by the Federal Public Service Commission and the Police Service Commission respectively are now to that extent limited. 8. Appointments to the offices of Ambassador, High Commissioner and other principal representatives of the Republic in countries other than Nigeria are now, under the Decree, to be made by the Supreme Military Council.

Knock yourself off, I am waiting

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The question that should be on everyone's lips now is, “what were the immediate and remote causes of the Nigeria Civil War (1967-1970)? Who should be blamed for the events that led to the declaration of independence by “Biafra”?

Ojukwu had written his own accounts of the war before he took his exit to the great beyond; 'Because I am involved and Emeka' and now we still have the other progenitor of the war still claiming 'he is now a born again' that we should forget the past and move on as if the past is not part of our history, Gowon must tell us 'deep things' he knows about the war, what his 'Northern Masters' told him to do and must be done, we need answers why on getting to Lagos he decided to reneged on an agreed arrangement in far away Accra, I mean Gowon should say something because whether we like it or not, the wounds of Biafra is still festering

The question that should be on everyone's lips should be; why did Gowon reneged on the Aburi Accord?

Gowon’s distortion of facts

This is in response to statements credited to ex-Head of State, Gen. Yakubu Gowon (retd), during a post-humous award ceremony for the tripod of Nigeria’s independence and First Republic leaders, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, Sir Ahmadu Bello and Chief Obafemi Awolowo.

According to a national newspaper, Gowon said Igbo leader and Biafran warlord, the late Gen. Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu would have succeeded in ruling the country if he had not been checkmated when he declared the Republic of Biafra and consequently triggered the civil war in 1967.

The former head of state, who came to power during the second military putsch on July 29, 1966 and ruled till July 29, 1975 when his regime was toppled in another coup that led to the installation of the late Gen. Murtala Muhammed, spoke against the background of a documentary on the fratricidal war shown at the ceremony.

Reliving some of the events of the civil war fought between July 6, 1967 and January 12, 1970, Gowon described it as a needless war and one never to be wished for again; adding that the war would not have arisen if Odumegwu-Ojukwu had not severed the eastern part from the rest of the country.

“If there was no secession by the late Odumegwu-Ojukwu, there would not have been war. We tried all we could to avoid going to war. At the Aburi meeting (held in Ghana in January to forestall the imminent war), all that was demanded by Ojukwu, including my position, were granted. But his secession bid led to the war. If Ojukwu had not done what he did, he would have been a Nigerian and not Biafran leader. Nigerians and, indeed, the children who suffered during the war, should forgive us,” Gowon said.

Since the death of Odumegwu-Ojukwu, Gowon has made two conflicting statements. In all, he tried to twist facts about the civil war, all in an attempt to portray Dim Odumegwu-Ojukwu as the aggressor. This is unacceptable.

First, I wonder why Gowon has chosen to make conflicting statements about the events that happened before and during the war, only after Odumegwu-Ojukwu had died. The question is, why didn’t he make these statements when Odumegwu-Ojukwu was alive, since both of them were the two principal actors?

Indeed, Gowon should have been kind enough to tell his audience the true reasons behind the war. The author, having gone through the Aburi meeting records, could not see where Odumegwu-Ojukwu asked for Gowon’s position; so, why would he say such things? Besides, who jettisoned the Aburi Accord – Gowon or Ojukwu? Nigerians cannot be deceived. Be it known to all Nigerians that part of our problems today is the non-implementation of the Aburi Accord by the Gowon administration. Gowon should publicly accept responsibilities for the civil war.

For the records, the war was imposed on the Igbo. Biafra was the only beacon of hope for all fleeing Igbo then. If Gowon was concerned, why didn’t he stop the pogrom in the North then? Why did he impose food blockade during the war and even after the war? What did he do about the abandoned properties? What about the policy/punishment of giving every Igbo person only 20 pounds, even if the person(s) had millions in bank accounts?

Someone should tell Gowon to stop twisting facts, if only not to reopen the wounds of the civil war.

http://www.punchng.com/opinion/gowons-distortion-of-facts/

Truth as they say will forever remain bitter, definitely 'a Lying Code must be embedded in Gowon's Genes'
Indeed, in the case of Biafra and Nigeria, undoubtedly, great wrongs have been done with noticeable harm. Ethnic chauvinists and pretenders to the Nigerian unity project are wont to say that Biafra is past and should not be revisited, but they must be advised that we are all products of history.
It has been asserted that those who chose to ignore the lessons of history are more often than not ignored by history itself. This is true of Nigeria.

The remote cause of the Civil War can be traced to the corruption of the day that had engulfed the whole federation during the ill-fated First Republic, the politicians of those yesteryears saw themselves as masters to be served rather as servants to serve, the saw themselves as tin gods to be revered rather as fellow humans privileged in their respective posts to champion the cause of the masses, they saw themselves as the fortunate ones while the led as the unfortunate ones. There was widespread of corruption, lawlessness represented in every nooks and crannies of the country and to worsen the whole situation, there was a spate of bloodshed ravaging the whole of the western region at that time order must be restored at all cost – this gave way for the first military coup of January 15th, 1966! The first military coup came up for a reason, to rid the federation of bad eggs, without any of the actors nursing any ambition to lord it over the whole federation in the capacity of leadership. They (the actors of that coup) where all hailed as heroes and seen as the saviours of the masses who have been under the Iron hand of the corrupt politicians. Unfortunately, while Nzeogwu kept to his side and did his own assignment well bereft of partiality, his comrades-in-arms in Lagos especially bungled the exercise by being trigger happy against their fellow soldiers while leaving out the politicians (that are from their tribes) that have been pencilled down for elimination hence giving the well planned revolutionary-coup a different and one-sided colour, “Igbo Coup” (Of course I have always believed it was not an Igbo Coup)! As usual the rest is history.

ilugunboy: Happy birthday Sir. Joy! Joy!! Joy!!! is all that I wish for you this day and all days of your life....


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