₦airaland Forum

fratermathy:
I said my tribe but you were to blind to see it. That is your problem. You see only what you want to see. Ask her and she'll tell you my tribe

One thing is that I like your dexterity and intellect but you have to accept corrections that is the best way to learn


Now go back and make amendment to that submission of yours

aim5:
Gele Gele is linked to the Bight of Benin. Gele Gele was how Portuguese and Benin did trade... Also Agenebode has a little port too. Benin wasn't/isn't a seaport in the classical sense, but Gele Gele was an entry way for trade between Portuguese and Edos.

I lived in edo.. Which agenobode? Pls tell us

Ihuomadinihu:
Foreign bead is out of it. Igbos already had beads. Wrapper or whatever is out of it. What next? Nsala soup?

Lol...he coukdbt Sven fathom the courage to say his tribe but prefer the cloak of delta

Lol

boskolin:
Ika are not Igbo. Igbo are found of copying others.

Onye kwa bu nka?

fratermathy:
There were no mistakes. There were only ethnically proud people who would rather engage in a verbal tournament than overlook simple things or at best, correct them in as academic a way as possible.

Why should that be overlooked.. Dont you have eyes for details ?

fratermathy:
This is the root of our argument. It is no aberration that Edo kingdom has overarching influence in Southern Nigeria as much as Nigeria has overarching influence in West Africa. It is a law of politics and sociology. Even in small Warri there, there is a struggle of overarching influence by the Ijaws, Urhobos and Itsekiris of which the Itsekiris seem to have it for now. Urhobos have been influenced greatly by Edo nation so also with Ijaw, Itsekiri and IGBO!!! Accept it or not; it is a fact.

Oga stop detailing your thread and this argument

I am telling you loopholes in your submission

I am not an authority in ijaw matter
Just accept that you goofed in this Igbo report

fratermathy:
This too doesnt explain what I wrote earlier. All you are doing is to prove that Igbos made their own beads. Okay. Did they also invent kingship?

No you invented kingship ....

Even animals like chimps and ants have leaders

fratermathy:
It was not an error. It was a misconception of intent and message easily corrected or ignored. Correction could have been done calmly like this:

"Op, Igbos dont dress like Edos. Please correct yourself. "

and not:
"this is trash, bunkum, rubbish, etc etc"

You made so many mistakes and these loopholes was pointed out but you remained incorrigible

Ihuomadinihu:
Lmao! Nobody owns any foreign coral beads! That is what we want you to understand. Igbo, Igala, efik, Edo etc traded with each other not borrowed beads.

Just simple but he won't see it from that simplistic view

fratermathy:
That is the point, I never insulted the Igbo nation. Saying that their dressing/traditional system were modelled after the Edo system does not relegate their culture. It is an academic fact that the Edo empire had overarching influence in the whole of Southern Nigeria.

And that your academic fact is a big aberration

Just like they told us mungo park discovered river Niger


But the people of Onitsha and asaba has been fishing and fetching water in the same river even before Mr. Park was born ..that to you is an academic fact


These are loopholes

aim5:
Benins aren't riverine but they still managed to trade with the Portuguese. When they traded with Portuguese merchants, they would probably trade in one of those riverine areas in the Delta since Benin Kingdom was in control of Southern Nigeria. It's very reasonable to say that Edo isn't a littoral area since it's not near the coast, but to say that the Edo weren't traders is mind boggling. Considering the fact that they also played a role in the early development of Lagos (Eko) along with the Portuguese.

Give me one Benin marchant town naaa...your just rigmarrolling oga

Ihuomadinihu:
Lmao! So because Fish is imported through Lagos seaport,the people in Abia shouldn't equally use the fish how the want it? Ignorance! It was imported and used by all sorts of people in Southern Nigeria.

My dear ...the bead must have had user manual


But benins were never traders nor sea fearers

fratermathy:
Or is it less plausible than the fact that Igbo IMPORTED them from VENICE and EGYPT

With specification from Milan and Sicily

Lol

boskolin:
Igbo have no culture, they are Jewish wannabe.

Who be this one again

Abiakwa ha?

Even if they are Jews...don't Jews have culture



What are we even churning out of universities these days ?

Ihuomadinihu:
Coral beads are imported beads which were sold to Africans. Are you trying to say that only Edos have exclusive right to use what was brought by white traders or what? OMG!

No mind that guy ...edo had the franchise from Europe

Lol

nwanlecha:
Biko all I want to correct is the false impression that head-tie which we Ndi Igbo call ichafu, is a yoruba creation. Yorubas have always been known for their aso-oke and not ichafu. The fact that yoruba women now tie ichafu which they call 'gele,' does not in any way make it a yoruba creation or part of the ancient yoruba culture. Also the yorubas certainly don't own the music industry. I don't know where the OP got such silly notion from.
@OP, instead of indulging in this unnecessary argument, don't you think it will be better for you to make the appropriate correction in your write up? Simply describe the Igbo culture without likening it to that of the Benin people, in order not to insult the sensibility of the great and unique Igbo nation.That is certainly not too much to ask is it?

We even have our own akwaete ....

ezeagu:
"Regardless, the talent of these casters was truly astonishing. Many of the castings were made in stages. For instance, in one bronze bowl set on a flat stand found at Igbo-Ukwu, small decorative items including insects and spirals were cast first and placed in the wax model before the main parts of the bowl were made. The vessel itself was then cast in two parts and fitted together by casting a middle band. In addition to a variety of ritual vessels (whose designs appear to reproduce the form of gourd vessels to which metal handles have been attached), many other bronze items have been found at Igbo-Ukwu, including pendants, crowns and breastplates, staff ornaments, swords, and fly-whisk handles. These works were also found with tens of thousands of beads, attained through trade for slaves, ivory, or spices. Igbo-Ukwu bronzeworking was an isolated phenomenon at the time, but bronze casting developed several centuries later in other parts of Nigeria."

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/igbo/hd_igbo.htm

Thank you for this postulation... Don't mind our funny OP

fratermathy:
Call it bunkum. It can always beat the best you've got! Doubt that and lets continue this.

We are not measuring dick here oga

I am a researcher by proffesion so I can puncture your lies and showcase your loopholes


Take it you goofed big time here

fratermathy:
Importing Venetian and Egyptian Beads in the 15th-18th centuries.!

I give you hands for your ethnic brigandry. It is an archetype.

Wit all your intellectual gymanstics and acrobatics you can't decipher sacarsm


Hian

melzabull:
Its always risky to leave these 'hypothesis/conclusions' unchecked or unchallenged

Lets hope he does...lol

He won't

lyntiffany:
we use beads also on out head,ankles and waist. It's popularly known as jigida hope a correct.

We as well tie 2 wrappers known as Holland is and scarf to go with. Don't have pictures to butress my point but your first pics and that of op says all.

Yes

And mind you therr are various beads in ancient Igbo and this varies from place to place some people use white some cream while others reddish color

aim5:
The Edo were never traders? Are you kidding me?

Traded in what ..they were never known as traders ....nor sea fearers Benin never had an important merchant town akin to ancient Onitsha banks or Kano trans Sahara route

Name one edo merchant town ?

melzabull:
I will forgive your churlishness and your remorsefulness is noted.

Bother sides had sizeable influences on the other as ezeagu noted

Simple and he won't admit that

fratermathy:
Copy and Paste.

Not everyone copied and pasted their way through school.

So you can beat your chest and say you researched this bunkun

Ihuomadinihu:
You still on the bead thing! OMG! Igbos were already importing Venice and Egyptian beads.
Any group is free to use coral beads according to their fashion sense. Stop with the bead issue,it's so stale!

The dude said Igbo borrowed bead from edo as if edo had vessels that navigate the seas or edo had ports

Edo were never traders nor sailors

fratermathy:
Now we are talking. You just prove yourself to be sane and I hereby withdraw any abusive statement made against your person.

Igbos did not steal or copy Edos. They modelled their system "LIKE" that of the Edos.

He has lost steam and has lost choice of words to use in his I'll researched report

Too much copy and paste

fratermathy:
And you are intellectually myopic and verbally unpolished.

One way to know an empty vessel that has lost steam is when he resorts to insults



Good night


You have finally disgraced yourself here.I will leave you to women so that they can finally take you to cleaners Mr. Verbally polished


Next time do research before you post ...don't be intellectually lazy and docile

melzabull:
No one has tried to put words in your mouth here, they've only tried to correct your impression on you op on Igbo women dressing like Benin women, but for some funny reasons like tonychristopher noted earlier, you've proved incorrigible. This wolda saved a lot of arguments here

He is very incorrigible and adamant

fratermathy:
Correct impressions!!! That Igbos were not influenced by Edos in any way? There is nothing to be corrected there and hence my affirmative and retaliatory actions. If I made an error and it was rightly pointed out, I would have bowed and acknowledged it. I did so in some of my earlier posts concerning the Nupe people. This is a case I wont let go because the Igbo communities I know in Delta, Anambra and Enugu have systems "akin" and not necessarily copied from the Edo system.
If I say Anioma, Orlu, Oguta, Mbiase and other pockets of Igboid groups share some Monarchical and fashion-based similarities with Edo, their neighbour, then you have to counter-prove this with facts.

So what are you saying

You say that edo monarchial system is akin to Igbo notbtge other way round because NRI is older than Benin kingdom

fratermathy:
I have answered your questions. Screw up or check your mentions.

Igbos being more artistic or intelligent or what have we, have no bearing in their potentiality of being culturally hegemonised.

How ?

aim5:
Ha Benin has a connection with Guinea too but I won't get into that. And yes, I'm aware that Igbo has connections that extend past Nigeria in places like Equatorial Guinea and Sierra Leone, I'm not disputing that. Also, by me stating that certain areas have some Edo influence doesn't mean that I'm trying to colonize them.

Now you can agree with me ..having influence is different from colonising

Ihuomadinihu:
Lmao. The Igbos had beads and artifacts way before the Benin people emerged. You should look up to the igbos not the other way round.

I taya for am