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Ihuomadinihu:
Secondly, no Igbo group is modelled after the Edo nation. What we have are regional kingships and royalty which do not cover the entire igboland. That being said,igbo people are not subject to any King. Even saying that Edo planted all pre colonial igbo kings is an overexaggeration. We have to understand that both Igbo, Yoruba and Edo were one people some 2,000yrs ago, the concept of kingship is not entirely alien to Igbos but the way they are set up,they would rather be kings unto themselves. Other than that, Edo kingdom at its prime set up benin frontiers and vassals in Igboland.
The other modern igbo kings are colonial imports.

Ihuomadinihu:
Secondly, no Igbo group is modelled after the Edo nation. What we have are regional kingships and royalty which do not cover the entire igboland. That being said,igbo people are not subject to any King. Even saying that Edo planted all pre colonial igbo kings is an overexaggeration. We have to understand that both Igbo, Yoruba and Edo were one people some 2,000yrs ago, the concept of kingship is not entirely alien to Igbos but the way they are set up,they would rather be kings unto themselves. Other than that, Edo kingdom at its prime set up benin frontiers and vassals in Igboland.
The other modern igbo kings are colonial imports.

fratermathy:
Au contraire, I am not disgracing myself because you are the one who seem not to harness the semantic import of my statements.
I never said Ikwerres are Igbos or not. I said Ikwerre is an Igboid group whose "Igboness" is contested by its people and the larger Igbo nation. They are more like the Isoko who proclaim themselves different from Urhobo whereas some perceive them to be the same. I have not made a personal statement on the matter so telling me that I am disgracing myself is a careless statement.

rexbuton:
I have answered these in the new thread.. move on

AndreUweh:
Upon all your years in Owerri (FUTO), you never knew that Ibo is incorrect. What a shame to some Igbo recent graduates.

fratermathy:
I am not Edo. I am from Delta State. I am not a supremacist! I have no ties with Edo in any way, I am even more in tandem with Igbo than Edo. I believe that Edo has an overarching influence in the tribes of the South and East, especially Anambra, Imo, Delta Igbo and Ikwerre. I wrote disputed in Ikwerre because I am aware that almost all Ikwerre people "claim" not to be Igbos.

fratermathy:
That is why I wrote disputed in brackets. Ikwerres are Igboid but not necessarily Igbos.

Armaggedon:
well when i saw the write up i wanted to ask 'are you Edo'? But i refused for fear of being accused of 'attacking the person' instead of the argument.
I knew you were a benin supremacist when you said ikwerre is disputed as an igbo tribe. Yes There is the dispute but it is only political. Hence you hear such in political discourse.
cultural piece that is
well researched do not come to that conclusion. Only an edo supremacist who wants to prey on some fictitious claim of benin origin (for political reason) by few ikwerre pple will write that.

As for your claim of igbo system being modelled after benin, it simply shows the extent ethnicity is engraved into the psyche of an average Nigerian.

Okudiover:
I bin think say Na Biafra man from the Land of the rising sun but you can imagine my dissapointment ....... Sorry delight when it turned out to be a YO-ROBBER man from the land wen their sun don set finish.

fratermathy:
I agree with you on this. My statement that Igbo women dress like Edo women was in comparative terms being that Edo was presented first in order of succession. Secondly, the concept of "beading" which is used by "some" Igbo women is akin to that of Benin Kingdom. That is the major similarity in the women's dressing.

porrigeyam:
APC stop this nonsense and get working, enough of this childish blame game.

fratermathy:
You've indirectly proven my statement by saying "Akin is different from copying". I am a scholar in History and have made far and wide research on Nri Kingdom, Nsibidi, Igodomigo, the Ogisos, and general Igboid cultures. There is no Igbo land now without a form or another of Monarchy. Theocracy, Gerontocracy and Plutocracy have since been replaced by Monarchy. One of the reasons for this is colonisation and its system of indirect rule and the second is the overarching influence of the Benin kingdom indirectly. In trying to start most monarchies as mandated by colonial powers, many Igboid ethnic groups modelled their systems after that which was closest to them. All were proto-edoid in nature.

fratermathy:
-Lordave
-Tonychristopher

There is nothing provocative nor insultive about my writeup. Saying that Igbos modelled their system after the Benin does not in any way imply that the Igbos are from Benin or that Igbos copied Benin. The current system of hereditary monarch practised in almost all South-Southern and South-Eastern ethnic nationalities are akin to that of the Benin kingdom. It is in no doubt that the influence of the old Benin kingdom spread even as far as Cotonou in Benin Republic. The current Obi system in Onitsha, Deinship in Agbor, Asagbaship in Asaba, among other, were all modelled after the Benin system. The reason for this is that most of these rulers looked up to the Oba as a symbol of royalty and hegemony. Even in Urhobo and Isoko land, as well as Lagos, the monarchical system is like that of Benin.
In essence, do not misinterpret my statement. The Igbo nation has its own systems and cultural bias. However, the widespread monarchical renaissance of the old Benin kingdom has directly or indirectly shaped their traditional system of leadership.
Secondly, I mentioned that Igbo women dress like Benin women. This statement was made only in comparative terms and nothing more. This comparative level being that Edo was presented before Igbo.

Lordave:
I was totally upset when I saw that.
What an insult!

freecocoa:
Just what I was discussing with my girls today, nne kedu ka mmadu ga esi mara which man to trust with all this kind news everyday? The thing na tu'm ujoo o.

Spiritmask:
Four-year-old Rebecca (not real name) was a normal baby when she was born. She was bubbling with life, but following several sexual assaults on her by her 37-year-old father, identified as Ademola, little Rebecca has lost her voice. She has not been able to talk for the past few weeks.

She looked forlornly and occasionally fell asleep in the arms of her mother, Folake, 32, who was visibly distressed as she explained to Saturday PUNCH how her husband of 14 years had been molesting their daughter.

Blessed with four children; three girls, including a set of twins, and a boy, she reminisced about how they used to live as one (happy) family in the Igando area of Lagos before things took a grim turn and she caught her husband committing one of the most gruesome crimes against their second daughter – sexual assault.

She noted that apart from having sexual intercourse with the little girl on several occasions, she had caught her husband inserting his finger into her private part more than once, all of which had traumatised Rebecca and made her a shadow of her real self.

The unfortunate incident seems to be tearing the family further apart as she has not only moved out of the house; she has vowed never to return, whilst accusing her husband of being diabolical.

She began, “It started in 2013 when I suddenly woke up one night and saw my husband removing the panties of my daughter. It was in the midnight. I wanted to shout but I wanted to see what he was up to. So, I pretended as if I didn’t see him because the room was relatively dark.

“When he pulled down her pant, he looked around and when he felt convinced that everyone was deep asleep, he stood up and moved to where the girl was and dipped his hand in her private part. I screamed.

“To say I was shocked was to say the least. He was shocked too because he didn’t know anyone was watching, so he quickly stood up, pulled up his trousers and started beating me.”

According to Folake, the experience she had that night was enough for her to leave his house, but she said she had to stay because she was already pregnant for him at the time.

She continued, “He beat me that night such that blood came out of my body. I didn’t even know I was pregnant until that night and the pregnancy was about two months old. I ran away from him for some time and I told my relatives. But I had to go back because of the pregnancy and that was when I had a set of twins for him.”

To Folake, her husband had turned a new leaf and would never do such a despicable act again, but unknown to her, other things had been going on without her knowledge. She said the straw that broke the camel’s back happened on July 17, 2015 when she caught him molesting her daughter again the same way he did before.

With her eyes soaked in tears, she said, “I thought he had stopped until the night of July 17, 2015 around 1am. It was a Friday. Rebecca was sleeping beside me but I saw him stand up, he carried the girl to the other side of the bed. He didn’t know I was awake. I had wanted to shout but I wanted to know what he was up to again. So, he removed his trousers, turned his back at me and crawled to where Rebecca was lying.

“He didn’t know I was looking at him. He pulled down her panties and started inserting his finger in her private part again. I thought I was dreaming. I screamed and continued shouting. He was shocked and couldn’t talk. He was just looking. Then, he went back to sleep.

“The following morning, I challenged him why he was doing that to his own child. I know he is diabolical, so I told him if his plan was to use my daughter for anything evil, he would not prosper. That was what got him angry and he started beating me. He said he would kill me. Then, my other children started crying and shouting, and he didn’t stop until one of our neighbours intervened.



“The following day, I went to the church to report to the shepherd of the church he was attending, Celestial Church of Christ, somewhere around Ikotun in Alimosho Local Government. The shepherd was shocked too but he pleaded with me to exercise patience. Because of the fear of what he could do to us, we left the house and moved to the church and we kept sleeping there.”

Folake explained that her estranged husband, who is a motor mechanic in Ikotun area, came to the church, beat her and forcefully took away their 17-month-old twins, whom she was still breastfeeding, noting that the two girls had been in his custody since then.

Her seven-year-old boy, identified simply as Seun, who appeared sharp-minded, told our correspondent that he used to see his father on top of his sister, maintaining that he had caught him twice in the act of putting his hand “under” his sister. He explained that his father used to rub his hands all over Rebecca’s body but he barely knew what he was up to.

Disturbed by the incident, Folake said she reported the assault at the Igando Police Station and to the Executive Director, Esther Child Rights Foundation, Mrs. Esther Ogwu, who had helped to monitor the case with the police. Folake added that some of the policemen in the station even laughed at her when they heard about the case.

Ogwu told Saturday PUNCH that it would be in the interest of all if justice was done on the matter, saying she would follow the matter to its conclusion.

She added, “We have involved the National Human Rights Commission, Office of the Public Defender and the Lagos State Ministry of Justice in the case so as to ensure justice. It is increasingly becoming important for parents to pay due attention to their children to guard them against assault.”

Even though a test conducted on the girl at the Mirabel Sexual Assault Referral Centre at the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital, Ikeja, Lagos, confirmed that the girl had been assaulted and her hymen broken, Folake noted that to her dismay, Ademola had been released on bail by the police, and that the police in Igando had been foot-dragging in taking the case to court.

Recounting how bad she had been battered and assaulted by the husband, Folake noted that her worry was that the man who had done both spiritual and psychological damage to her little daughter should was about to go scot free.

“This girl’s private part has almost become rotten and as young as she is, her breast is already coming out, and she limps occasionally. I can never entrust my children into his hands and that is why I’m worried about the twins that are with him. They are also girls. I don’t want him to molest them too.

“He had afflicted us with charm but we have been set free. The two children in school have been very retarded, coupled with the fact that Rebecca has not been talking until she did twice just two months ago. And since then, she has stopped again. She just doesn’t talk and she urinates frequently. She should be in Nursery One now but she seems not to be coping. Even her teachers are complaining she had become a recluse and she keeps urinating all the time.”

Meanwhile, when Saturday PUNCH contacted Ademola over the allegations levelled against him by his wife and son, he denied, saying, his wife was looking for ways to move out of his house, thus, she had to “cook up lies against him.”

He added, “She is lying against me. I didn’t do any of those things they were saying. She has seen someone else she wants to marry and that was why she left the house.”

The Divisional Police Officer, Igando Police Station, Mr. Segun Fagbohun, told Saturday PUNCH that he had transferred Ademola and the case to the State Criminal Investigation Department at Yaba for further investigation.




http://www.punchng.com/news/four-year-old-becomes-dumb-after-rape-by-father/

teejayman:
nairaland full of igbo rotten flesh, always wailing......

Lordave:
Fratermathy, please I beg you in the name of any God you worship, edit your article and remove that Igbo is modelled after Benin.

That is a big lie and also an insult to the Igbo nation. We're not modelled after any ethnic group in Nigeria, we're are modelled after our respective selves.

Please edit it, it's misleading.

Toks2008:
Im happy you said you have stopped.

If you have not yet given ur life to christ please do now and you will be glad u made the decision.

No sweetness of any cunt or firmness of any boobs is worth more than your soul bro.

you can make ur wife boobs firm even after 10 children..thanks to natural bust enhancers and her kini can be as tight as a virgin own and she can get rid of that belly fat.

It pays to b wth one lady not because they are worth it but because God hates philandering.

sirTesco:
u are not wise. Don't give out any illegal cash to any airport official except ur ways are illegal.

sirTesco:
Not every airport official u snub. No that now. Breach of protocols can cause u embarassment. U can only try that in Asaba and Benin airports. If u go to some airports for the first time and u don't know what to do, hmmmm some frustrated niggas will want to frustrate u.

samhay:
Got to those officers, one of dem collected my papers, checked. I opened my wallet as usual and spilled the excuse. As e see blank wallet, hell was let loose, his mood changed, started talking with a her 'u won't go anywhere', 'I will make sure I delay you'.

Me: Oga I wnt leave, a whole Nigeria without having any money and you knw we run cashless policy, dats y all my money is in my acct.

I. O:Which useless cashless policy, so that means u should not have any money with you abi, beta go and withdraw your BTA, it's ur money am nt collecting it, but I just want to see it.

#Looked at his tag, saw a yoruba name, checked d oda 2 sitting, dey r Igbo and r now busy wit oda guys, I turned into speaking yoruba, tellin him

'Daddy, u r old enough to be my father, will u now watch me leave 9ja and go and bcom a nuisance in anoda country? Bla bla bla bla bla....... All in yoruba

Oga no gree, he carry form out, fill am for me, sayin I will refer you to the office. I just dey beg in yoruba. By dis tym now, d oda 2 guys being attended to by d oda 2 officers are now speaking Igbo too, just trying to find favour.

After d man finish filling a form for me, I read am, it's all abt me not avin any BTA.

Mr just continue dey explain, dey beg.

He read through WHT he wrote and said Ohhhhhh!!!!!!

Na so he tear d form.

I com dey shout Ahh thank you sir God will bless you, come dey pray.

Na so he Carty anoda form, start to dey fill again. Re-writing all what he wrote b4 word for word, I come dey wonder, wetin dey worry dis 1. As he finish, he carry my form wan comot, na so 1 tall woman (officer of higher rank) came over and asked wetin dey happen. He explained.

The madam gave an example of sm1 goin to oshodi without money, I still insist say my money dey my acct.

She said OK drop somtin for dis Oga make he allow u dey go.

I comot 500naira,d woman c am, vex. D oda 2 Igbo guys dey beg wit 2k,me dey hold 500.

They settled d 2igbo guys, afta b4 d Oga say make i add sometin, I say make e search me, say na my last card b dat. He collected it and returned my papers.

I was sent to anoda officer.

As he dey check, he asked if I hav anoda passport, I said yes, but e don expire and I no gt any valid visa on top am, dats y i no dey carry am travel.

Toks2008:
Choi..

You are a real bad type. dont you know that ladiies are emotional beings?

why do u think i dont sleep with a lady i ont see a possibility of marrying? its because women are not like men..even whores develop an attachment.

myztikal:
I believe that is a misconception, we are africans for one, the tradition of putting money in envelopes is no culture of ours, our parents learnt from their parents and there probably wasn't a ready availability of envelopes around to put money in, and whereby it may not be wrong, i doubt every american or englishman who gives his wife directly would see her as a prostitute

most men are usually threatened by a female who can verbally hold her own, they would rather not see them as equals, hence, the feminist card readily comes to play

as for the way he treated his mistress, his actions were inexcusable, a lady asking you money just before copulation doesn't mean she should be treated as such, as real prostitutes aren't even treated as such....

Toks2008:
There are legitimate grounds for polygamy.

1.A female divorcee of age will probably find solace in a married man.

2.A widow of age expecially the one with children.

3.A single mum of matured age.

4.An unmarried lady in her late 30s or early forties.

These are my candid opinion.Polygamy is not advisable but not a taboo nor a sin.

Infact polygamy is the answer to the prayers of some ladies.

I do not encourage polygamy neither will i ever consider it but nver theless,in certain circumstances,it is permissible.

Toks2008:
Im too mature to castigate any man for philandering cos even God hates iit.

If you feel you need to straff more ladies then marry more if your wife is ok with that.

Polygamy is not advisable because of the complexities but its not a sin to marry 100 wives if you want.Hard fact

But just be ready to ie young.Na your choice.

Toks2008:



Eleyin gidigan o.

Hmmm..talking about sleeping with his mistress with so much pride and impunity...oga ade na wa o

sihom:
Feminist?? What has my personal opinion got to do with feminism? Why are men so quick to throw that word around anyway.

Kaboninc, accurately voiced my thoughts on that issue of money. Like he said it is disrespectful to give ANYONE cash openly without concealing it in an envelope.

The way you treated your mistress is the reason why I do not like any man I am involved with giving me money directly.

My aunt told me a long time ago that prostitutes are the ones given money directly and then she told me to observe my parents. My dad always put money in an envelope and left it on the bedside table for my mum.