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@I-man

@Tornadoz

The evil man has struck again!Can you believe that that devil's incarnate(Bush) announced plans to double the US's aid program for HIV/AIDS from roughly $3billion per annum to about $6billion per annum.http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,,2091703,00.html
This marks a change from spending under Clinton which peaked at $570 million per annum.What do you think is the "true motive" behind this outrageous act ?
An excerpt from the story:
Backstory
George Bush's spending on HIV/Aids is seen as a success story. According to figures published yesterday, between 2003 and early 2007 more than 850,000 people received life-sustaining antiretroviral treatment as a result of US funding. Before yesterday Mr Bush allocated $15bn for HIV/Aids funding between 2003 and 2008 but experts have estimated that this would in reality total about $18bn and contrasted favourably with the overall international effort.

Is he evil?
Now lets look at the facts.
Unlike you, I stayed and watched the entire news. I didn't run from the news after this supposedly kind gesture from Bush.
Since you missed the remainder of the news broadcast on the said day, let me tell you what the newscaster also said.
5 Americans died in Afghanistan, some British and Germans got kidnapped in Iraq, an explosion killed x number of people etc. This is a typical day in the life of the great govt of G Bush. So on one hand he gives and on the other hand he kills. I'll tell you some of the reasons why I hate his govt.
1)This good man set record for most executions by any governor in American history before being president
2)Attacked and took over two countries.
3)Became the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
4)First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
5)Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.
In short the list is endless, please don't ask me why I think he's an evil man. You will only set me on a roll.


Can you please name his other achievements other than the above? See if you can find any. You asked the question

What do you think is the "true motive" behind this outrageous act ?

Please tell me, because I don't know. Am about to read the small print, but should you find out the reason, please let me know. It doesn't make sense. If he loves black people so much maybe he should start from home. Is this not the same man that went on holiday during hurricane Katrina leaving Black folks to die on their roof? How come he likes Africans but hate Blacks in America?

@I-man

You are a mature grown man.Do you think its justifiable,in response to name calling,to say that a fellow human being is an "animal who does not deserve to live a second longer"?
For someone taking issues with my so called condescending comments to seek to excuse such abhorrent comments is telling.If I agreed with your views and the reverse was the case for Afam,you will be singing a different tune.Hypocrisy in its purest form

I never excused the comments, I said you were not balanced, you should have quoted what Afam was responding to.
I went on to post what he responded to.

Didn't the mother know the kind of hyperactive child she had?

Imagine if the kid was crippled or was blinded by that kick.
What explanation would the mum had given him if he had lost his sight? Would she had said she

was busy discussing the latest hip-hop moves when the accident occurred?
Only a babysitter behaves like she did.

McKren posted this

"The Bush administration's definition of success in Iraq has changed drastically since the March 2003 invasion, and the current measure of victory hardly resembles the standard promulgated four years ago.
Back then, the U.S. defined success as finding and destroying Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, installing a democratic, pro-U.S. government to serve as a model for despotic Arab states and rooting out any terrorists who may have found safe haven there under Saddam's rule.
Starting with the embarrassing discovery that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, Iraqi realities have forced the Bush administration to redefine its standards of success.
The U.S.-led invasion has also triggered a tenacious insurgency that is attracting Islamic militants from around the world. And the administration is desperately trying to bolster the U.S.-backed Baghdad government to become more effective in fighting insurgents and to take steps to reconcile competing ethnic factions.
Against this background, Bush administration officials now define success in far more diminished terms."

These are the issues

Here's a taster from the article posted by Afam

"Today I weep for my country. I have watched the events of
recent months with a heavy, heavy heart," said Byrd in a
Senate-floor speech on March 19, 2003, after George W. Bush
ordered the Iraq invasion. "No more is the image of America
one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper. The image of
America has changed. Around the globe, our friends mistrust
us, our word is disputed, our intentions are questioned.
Instead of reasoning with those with whom we disagree, we
demand obedience or threaten recrimination."

@I-man

How do you see the above comment by your fellow leftist?

Typical, you conveniently left what Afam replied to.
xtycod wrote

Yeah! Let the bastard Afam and other Igbo sell-outs comment on this one. I will soon stop my friendship with Igbos. Sometimes they disappoint me.

Afam replied

According to your statement you are non Igbo but you are so interested in being Igbo that you call someone a bastard for not agreeing with your warped sense of reasoning.

Friendship with Igbos? Check the identities of those you think you are friendly with. Maybe you are busy living off them like a parasite. Do you even know the meaning of friendship?

You picked and chose the part you wanted highlighted.
I can give you instances where you have been subtly rude and sometimes overtly rude.
I have only had matured discussion on this forum.
Your friend davidylan on the other hand can start a fight in an empty room.

@TayoD

Why should we comment when it is obvious that this is just another disguise for character assasination and undue smear campaign on others with contrary point of view?!

Tayo stop beating around the bush.
Please state what's wrong in the article.

@davidylan

there is no point commenting, the author is well known to be adept at insulting those who do not subscribe to his myopic and ill-informed view of world politics.

Am still waiting for you to say whats wrong in the article. (Take your time, we will wait)
Are we expecting you to say it made an uncomfortable reading? Nah

@McKren
Thanks for that article, if only some people (no names please) will read it.

@doncartel
Whaa gwaan bretherin? mi ear yuh propa
mi no know wattagwan wid nigerians
Anyway thanks fe di comments.

If my neighbour has a gun, it will be foolish of him to tell me not to own one. I personally don't want any country to own nuclear weapons, but as long as America is heavily armed, it smacks of hypocrisy to tell Iran to stop building its nuclear program.

@chidichris

good massengers here is worried with the situtaion there where our fellow africans are dying on daily bases rather we are more worried about iraq because america is involved.

If you care so much about Zimbabweans you should start a topic regarding Zimbabwe.

you condem america and you live in america. is that not madness

You live in Dubai and yet you condemn most policies by Arab countries, is that madness? My answer is no.
Because you live in a country does not mean you can't constructively criticize the policy of the govt, except you're an illegal migrant.

Depends how much Atiku took with him.

@chidichris
You have neither read nor commented on the article. Afam implied you should read and comment on the issues raised but neither you nor TayoD commented on the article.
Pasting the article here stops us from visiting the said site. If you come across an interesting article, by all means start a new topic, am sure many people would be willing to discuss the issues.

@TayoD
I said I-man was condescending and its true.
Didn't you read where he accused mrmayor of grammatical error and in another thread boasting (it was not tongue-in-cheek) he did his NYSC in London?
We can't have an intelligent discourse if one of the participant is constantly deriding others. How come I didn't accuse davidylan of being condescending?

@Afam
I know a story like that is repugnant to davidylan. They forget America only gives with preconditions, especially a republican president. I wonder who feed these people news?

I particularly like this statement

"No more is the image of America
one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper. The image of
America has changed. Around the globe, our friends mistrust
us, our word is disputed, our intentions are questioned.
Instead of reasoning with those with whom we disagree, we
demand obedience or threaten recrimination."

Reminds one of the poignant statement made by the then French foreign minister at the UN just before the invasion.

Didn't you know I-man, is one of the most condescending individual at Nairaland. Am so sick of his childish verbiage, the man has no views of his own.

@I-man
So you don't know the Palestian won at the ICJ?Am baffled by the ignorance now being exhibited by you and david. I sure hope this has something to do with the time of day. One of my traits is to always check facts before getting in a debate.

@I-man

Irrelevant.Last time I checked,the US army surpassed its recruitment target for the second consecutive year.

With uneducated a*sholes, ask the inmates of Abu Ghraib.

@davidylan

when a man is clueless and confused, he will say anything.

Hmm I thought you knew these facts. Am off to bed then.

that is nonsense! In other areas the UN has asked for a referendum to let the people determine what country they would prefer to be. Besides, since when did British and German colonial agreements become binding on a sovereign country? So if tomorrow we discover an old 1864 agreement where Abuja was signed off to Congo by the British we should pack our bags and leave Abuja?

Why do you think Nigeria lost? Conspiracy?

don't make yourself anymore of a laughing stock. So if i find an artefact i should run straight to report to the UN?

Lol!
You sure don't fill your national newspapers with news of artefacts and archaelogical evidence of why land "A" belongs to you. Mr davidylan, have you thought of a career in comedy?

@I-man
This is off topic. Why didn't your friend Bush spend as much effort on North Korea as he is doing on Iran?

@I-man

My friend,the average American recruit is better educated than the average American.Even your friend,John Kerry,retracted his remarks and pointed out that he was talking of Bush.

Would you join the army?

Health,immigration,energy policy,pork barrel spending,North Korea,e.t.c.

Hmm

@davidylan

Is it the same UN that gave Bakassi away to Cameroun based on agreements signed between Germany and England? the same bakassi people who fought so hard to remain in Nigeria?

I told you before, the court only rule based on the evidence presented to it. Courts don't rule because of sentinments, surely you know this.

And why have independent archeologists from other countries not faulted Isreali findings? why have the palestinian archeologists not disputed Isreali findings if indeed they are false? Think before posting! It wont hurt!

They did better than that by taking their findings to the right authority-the UN.

@I-man
Am yet to see where you did not agree with his policy. On another thread, you were singing praises of P wolfowitz (Bush's war minister).

@davidylan

You can't make such statements sitting in your bedroom in Benin city. Do many Americans dislike Bush's policies? YES!

Well you answered it for me.

But this same people will lay down their lives for their commander in chief!

Only the uneducated. If they were qualified architects, doctors etc, their first port of call on leaving college won't be the army recruitment office. Ask John Kerry.

Where you aware of the massive protest that followed Hugo Chavez refering to Bush as satan?

I must have missed it. No

hardly what a rational mind would refer to as "constructive criticism".

Sorry but I reject both(Christianized or Islamic hegemony)

@davidylan

where is your "answer"? In the moon? You claimed you referenced bogus UN reolutions to support your claim about Isreal being an illegal occupying force:

1. more than enough historical evidence has been sourced to prove that the land belongs to the jews! Which you conveniently pretended not to see.

2. more than enough evidence has been given to show that the first group to disregard the UN partition plan of 1947 and your bogus UN resolutions were the arabs who resorted to war against Isreal in 1948!

Stop dribbling around issues that are crystal clear for all to see.

I have repeatedly said if the Israelis have proof that the land belongs to them, they can do themselves a favour by going to the international court of justice and proving once and for all, they own the land. They won't go there, because they lost there, and they also ost at the UN, while claiming archaeological evidence. Palestinian archaeologist can also bring out this falsehood. Come on, give me a break.

@I-man
So is yours. You have slavishly follow this inept president, unusual for for any rational mind.

@davdylan
Many Americans also hate him, does that mean they should leave America? Its called constructive criticism. I bet you can't distinguish between the two. Do you have to slavishly follow a man even though you know he's wrong? Are you a patriot police? Free your mind and your yansh go follow.

@I-man
I hate the man and all that he stands for (Right wing Christian hegemony).

@davidylan
Lol! I know you have a confused mind, but I still expect you to post in the correct thread.
Whats this

What was your point here? What has our having more muslims got to do with Bush giving us aid? The mujahideen and taliban caught in Nigeria was entirely our own security issue, do we need to wait for American aid before we rout out terrorists in our midst?

did Bush also give aid to sudan, libya, Niger, Chad to help him in the war against Iraq? Was it not our muslims who burnt US flags and celebrated Sept 11?

I could take your hand and lead you to where that should have been pasted, but am not. Lmao!

@I-man
Why applaud a policy that's riddled with conditions? Why was Blair imploying him to join the crusade of alleviating poverty in Africa. Do you really want me to like a policy drawn up by neo-cons and approved by an immoral and insidious, evil mind like Bush. Not in a million years.