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He's in politics to protect his vast assets. The day his influence wanes, will be the beginning of his downfall. Am disappointed by OBJ because I supported him at the beginning. He's the typical African politician, they all believe in their invisibility.

The craziness of America knows no bound. How can a buyer tell the seller how much he's to charge, who to associate with etc? The US has been taking the world for a ride for too long. This is why the US wants monopoly on nuclear weapons so it can dictate and force its terms on us all.

Until IBB is prosecuted and convicted, everything else is a side show. For the man who brought Nigeria to its knees, the man who rewrote the corruption rules, to walk the streets of Abuja a free-man makes mockery of our infant democracy. The cost will be met when we recover the loot, and the "evil genius" is left where he belongs>prison.
Anyone advocating not prosecuting IBB have no moral justification in calling for others to be tried.
For those thinking IBB will never be tried forgets history tells us theirs nothing like "never" in politics.

@denex

people like Gani can debase and run down IBB,

One would have thought by looting our treasury IBB did not need Gani to debase him.

Babangida will one day get his comeuppance, all we need is a president with balls. No one man can be bigger than an entire nation.

If you don't like the way you're treated in USA, come back home. People built America and Europe, stop bleating about racism, come and build your "Europe" in Nigeria.

According to BBC, there are 88,105 LEGAL Nigerians in Britain

And about 1million illegal Naija migrants.

Give the man chance jare

@denex

@Tornadoz
It was written: Do not argue with diehard ignorants. They will drag you to their level, and once there, they will them defeat you will experience.

At the beginning my primary objective (as a Nigerian Catholic) was to learn more about these issues, and to teach other young Nigerians about the intransigent and belligerent Israelis, I failed on both counts.
Christian Taliban davidylan would always come back with some more ridiculous argument, forgetting time and demography is on the side of the Palestinians.
In a few years, would davidylan not be here screaming for the rights of the "Jewish Liberation Front" if Iran nukes Israel to the stone age? I believe the only people worse than Islamic extremist, are the Christian extremist.

Thanks to all who spoke with reason. Am off to the Romance section to spread some love.

P.S
"Ceux qui rendent le changement paisible impossible, rend le changement violent inévitable",
("Those who make peaceful change impossible, makes violent change inevitable"
au revoir.

@daviddylan

Let me add this one to the growing list of bogus conspiracy theories that include:
- sept 11 was orchestrated by the CIA and the jews! (ah the jews are at fault for everything arent they?)

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, though I find it weired some Jews were arrested prior to and after the event. What ever happened to the Jews that were picked up?

Arabs make up 20% of the Isreali population, many are members of the knesset. Hardly a way to treat 2nd class citizens eh? When Hamas went on a slaughtering spree in Gaza, millions queued at the Erez border crossing to flee into Isreal, the same nation that allegedly treats them as second class citizens? Shocked What a foolish idea!

If you've bothered to do any research about Israel , you would have known the Israeli Arabs are the most industrious people on earth. Despite their apartheid policy, the Arabs more Phd than their Jewish neighbours.

lol, foolish man! Those outposts are to prevent your foolish palestinians from carrying out their open threat of driving the jews into the sea.

By putting 450'00 Israeli settlers in Palestinian towns and cities, they are preventing Palestinians from driving them into the sea, does that make sense? I would run from my enemy not built a mansion next to him. I know you don't believe most of this bollo*ks you write.

you would think you had more sense to research facts before spewing propaganda. What ties did Arafat have to palestine in the first place?

Abi o my brother . Ask Polish born Ben Gurion (Israels first premier)

Let us assume that nonsense even makes a shred of sense, that indicates that at least 22% of the jews that made up the nation of Isreal in 1948 where living where? In the moon?

Try Europe.

those "human rights organizations" are just like you, afam, denex and shango; wildly spewing forth propaganda based on lies, manipulating history and standing reason on its head.

Check this Jewish human rights organization then:http://www.btselem.org/index.asp

How many of them are suing Hamas for genocide?

No wonder you don't understand the concept of humanity. Check the relevant UN charters to understand what constitutes genocide. Blowing up 5 Israelis on a bus is genocide to you. Pitiful

You would think it was the Isrealis who captured the soldiers that led to the war in the first place.

How many Lebanese were in Jewish jails before Hezbollah retaliated? (Hint:thousands).

Not when the UN is peopled by rabid and incorrigible hypocrites like you

Every one hates us mentality. No soul searching.

And your point is that siince Jews in Iran are not been suicide bombed we should not complain if Hamas suicide bombs other jews? What a stupid analogy.

You were always saying Arabs hates the Jews, that was to expose your lies.

Thanks for your latest post on "How to be a complete Ignoramus" For someone who claims "intellectual" authority on these historical events, you should have known Ben Gurion was a Polish immigrant and have no reason to be in the middle east.

@I-man

Can you please advice your friend,Tornadoz,to always acknowledge the source of what he copys and pastes.Please,help me beg the guy.He shouldn't be passing things off as his own.

Copy and paste? You've once again displayed how misinformed you are. Most of the issues I raised are public knowledge. Instead of rummaging the racist archives, try the BBC, the Guardian, or the Independence, you might actually learn something. Your perceived threat of Islam paired with your right wing views have made you blind to the plight of the Palestinians, or is your thought process controlled subliminally by the Jerusalem post?

Oya,run away before the guy wey go chop akpu go come back

Na where you see "Jew" dey eat akpu? Na bagel davidylan dey chop. Lol

@Afam
O'l boy I think you're right o, am beginning to think this is an exercise in futility.
I can see why Shango is pissed off, and I was glad he also noticed davidylan could be a plant after all. Nothing is impossible for Mossad, the age old carefully developed psychological techniques used by mossad is apparent here. Mossad is the byword for espionage in the intelligence community. Let me quickly write this and !scram!
I think one of the reason shango was angry was the spin, the lies and the unscrupulous ways of davidylan and I-man's analysis of events. If you've just come from Pluto, you would have thought, its the Palestinians who moved to Europe to steal land.
You would think, it was the Palestinians who have made the Jews de Jure 2nd class citizens.
You would think, it was the Palestinians who killed 660 Israelis in 2006 (141 of them kids)
You would think, it was the Palestinians who put 450,000 colonists in Israel with tanks and troops to match (not to mention the dozens of outposts of varying sizes for "security purposes)
You would think, it was the Palestinians who brought 78% of settlers from American and European with 0 ties to Israel
You would think, it was the Palestinians who are being sued by more than 10 human rights organizations
You would think, it was the Palestiniane are the 5th pre-eminent militarized nation in the world with sophisticated weapons second to none
You would think, it was the Palestinians who dropped up to 4million cluster bomblets on southern Lebanon - with approx 40% having failed to explode on impact (according to the UN) (1.6 million explosions waiting to happen)
You would think, it was the Palestinians who wrote the Torah that denies Israel's right to exist until Jews are led back to Israel by God
You would think, it was the Palestinians who loses votes in the UN 180 to 1

Never mind Fatah accepted Israel since 74
Never mind what Pulitzer Prize NY Times photojournalist (Christopher Hedges- HARPERS Magazine) wrote about Gaza "Children have been Shot in 40 other conflicts I have covered-Death squads Gunned them down in El Salvador & Guatemala, Mothers wth infants lined up & massacred in Algeria, & Serb snipers put children in their sights in Sarajevo, but Ive Never watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap & murder them for sport like in Gaza"

Never mind that the highest ranking UN official in Israel has warned that "American pressure has pummelled into submission" the UN's role as an impartial Middle East negotiator in a damning confidential report. "End of Mission Report" by Alvaro de Soto, the UN's Middle East envoy as obtained by London Guardian
Never mind that Mr de Soto condemns Israel for setting unachievable preconditions for talks

No one country can steal another land and expect the world to look the other way. I-man would say Palestinians got $700,000 for a population of 3million but would not say Israel gets at least $7billion from the US tax payers.
You will hear someone whinnying of Hamas strapping bombs to themselves to kill 7 Jews, forgetting there are Jews in Bahrain Iran etc, and no one is suicide bombing them. Anyway thats a small price to pay for territorial expansion.
Am not in the least surprised Mr Sango was pissed off.
Sometimes I wonder if people on this thread have the ability to read, digest, ingest,calculate and reason.
No offense meant, but I think some of us here are typically the brain dead cannon fodder the Jews need for their propaganda. Look at the over zealous use of the word 'anti-Semite' on this thread.
Most people here have been fed so much Jewish propaganda they're now on auto pilot.

@davidylan

This is not news, the arabs have been saying exactly this every single day since 1948, unfortunately it only makes news when it comes from a Jew!

Yes david is the Arab controlled media who are to blame

The position enunciated by the likes of Ben Gurion was made in 1948 when the young Isreali nation

So its right to make this statement when you're a young nation but wrong if you're a freedom fighter?

Coming from a nation that had just lost 6 million of its citizens within the last 10 years in the world's worst form of genocide!

except you're simulating comical Ali else you would have known the West failed the Jews miserably and then foisted their problem onto the Palestinians. Hitler was responsible for the genocide not Ishmail Hanniyeh.
During the genocide in Rwanda why didn't you campaign for them to be shipped to Akure? It would have pleased you if after couple years the Hutus produce a dodgy archaeological evidence claiming Ibadan as there ancestral home. If I try hard enough, I might be able to link ownership of Lagos to my late great great grandfather who was called Eko

Besides can you TRUTHFULLY claim that this is the mindset of the average Isreali?

can you TRUTHFULLY claim that this is the mindset of an average Palestinian?

Why are they not strapping themselves with bombs to destroy the palestinians?

They have f-16s to do it for them.

@I-man

What is the reason behind your fascination with neo-Nazis.For a black man,you seem to attach so much credibility to them.

I would have thought David Irving was your hero, considering you share so much in common (apart from the holocaust)

I am sure you know the difference between the policy position of Hamas in 2007 and incendiary comments made by politicians,mostly 5 decades ago.Both sides are not lacking in making incendiary comments.Its one to thing to make such comments,its quite another to enshrine bigotry in your constitution.

Suddenly they've become "mere comments". You would be trumpeting that statement if it was made by Arafat.
Fatah didn't have that policy enshrined in their constitution, yet for 40yrs the Jews refused to do business with them.
You and I know Jewish political parties are too sophisticated to allow a statement like that in their constitution, however their policies validates my point. Would'nt the Palestinians be right to refuse any dealings with Sharon, considering he massacered 20-30 thousand of them in Lebanon.
This was what G Levy was saying all along, the Jews don't want peace, their's always a reason for them to stop negotiating.
In the course of our debate, I've long believed you have a bizarre notion of what is acceptable and ethically correct.

@debosky
I have repeatedly said no 2 historians agree on events prior to 1918. However try looking at any
map for the last 3,000 years (outside of the bible of course) it says Palestine. There were provinces
of Judea but it was still Palestine. The Palestinians were the majority in Palestine for 3 thousand
years. Between 1918 and 1948 the British government brought over half a million Jewish people
there. And the Jewish immigrants immediately began kicking out or killing or torturing or
imprisoning the local Palestinians. Google "Palestine Deir Yassin and if you have time search for "Plan Dalet"
Even Benny Morris (a right winger) acknowledges the ethnic cleansing of 47-49 and approves of it.

You come across like an intelligent person yet you say the land was a desert. If I understood that
statement it means the Palestinians arrived just in time for the Jews to kick their a*rse, never mind most historians agree Hebrew is a vulgar form of Arabic. History tells us that every where Europeans go they conquer the natives, strip them of their culture and re-write the history books.
Australian Aboriginals were hunted literately as animals and genocided by the 100s of thousands up until only 200 years ago. American and Canadian Indians did not fare well under the colonist, nor the New Zealand natives, neither did our brothers in the then racist enclave of South Africa.
Without Britain there would not be a country called Israel. Be a man and condemn Israel's malevolence.

That's not surprising when you can look at Hamas' Charter.Here are excerpts again:

Am sick of I-man and davidylan quoting the Hamas charter,now lets put the unwritten charter of the Jewish state under the microscope, because this is like the hunchback of Notre dam telling someone to walk straight.
Enough of this sick parody, lets have a quick look at the gentle Jews.
"We must use Terror, Assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, & the cutting of all social services to Rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
--(Israeli PM 1949-1954, 1955-1963, May 1948 to the Israeli General Staff, Ben-Gurion, A Biography by Michael Ben-Zohar)

"I have learned that Israel Cant be ruled in our generation without Deceit & Adventurism"
-Moshe Sharett, Israeli PM

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”, Ben Gurion (known as the father of the nation in Israel)


Last year Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, former Sephardic chief rabbi (an authoritative neo-con) advised the IDF not to flinch from killing Palestinian civilians in the context of the ongoing military campaign.
And lest you forget, God warned the Jews not to enter Israel until a pre-destined time? (See the Torah)
Am I missing something? Can some one please tell me when God told them to go back?
Shalom!

Since Jews don't control the media,why should anyone keep insisting that they do

Below are Jewish owned media houses.
CBS>>>>>>>>>>>>Laurence Tisch ( Am unsure if Ted Turner has regained control)
ABC>>>>>>>>>>>>Leonard Goldenson
NBC>>>>>>>>>>>>first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert Sarnoff
Associated Press>>>>Michael Silverman
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post all owned by Jews.
Warner Music>>>>>>Edgar Bronfman
Walt Disney>>>>>>>Michael Eisner
Miramax Films>>>>>Bob and Harvey Weinstein
ESPN>>>>>>>>>>>George W. Bodenheimer
Viacom, Inc>>>>>>>Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein)
Historian David Irving even wrote that Rupert Murdoch's mother (Elisabeth Joy Greene) is Jewish
Rupert Murdoch (Fox News) would have been the only real non Jew to feature highly in media ownership in America but he also have a dodgy Jewish background. They are all Jews.
Lets leave the work of AIPAC World Jewish Congress,Jewish Defense League etc for another day.
I must admit some of the above media houses may have changed hands, either way the Jews may have bought even more media houses.
This is why the Palestinian issue is never debated in an honest and fair manner in America unlike Europe where the Jews have very little influence.

Any one with contrary views to a pro Israeli person is anti-Semite. This is the old Jewish trump card of stifling debate about the middle east.
Nobel prise winner Jimmy Carter who brought Israel and the Palestinians to the negotiating table was himself labeled anti-Semite.
I would have served a writ on any body who says this to me in person, sadly this is the internet.

Why defend the indefensible? The man was stating an obvious fact.

Abi you no enjoy the holiday?

@I-man

You must have missed the baseless canard about Jews controlling the media and all the other sniggering comments Tornadoz makes about Jews

What is "baseless canard"?
Does the Jews not control the media? I know its a touchy subject but they do and I meant every word of that statement. Am not about to write a lengthy article about the media houses owned by Jews, however is it any wonder its political suicide for any American politician to say something negative about Israel?
You are welcome to do your own research about media ownership in America. In fact you can start here>>
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-folder.html
Whilst you're at it , check out the "The Six Jewish Companies Who Own 96% of the World's Media".
I agree America is a capitalist country and any one can buy any media organization.
I do however oppose this strategy of hiding facts that Jews control the media. This must be another spin isn't it?
For someone spinning out of control to imply they didn't know Jews control the media beggars belief.

No big deal Henry leaving, the problem is Wenger. If Wenger stays we'll get a new "Henry" in no time.
I hope its £16,000,000 plus Eto

road to no where

"What really happened" please don't bother visiting that site.

Any one gullible enough to believe anything on the terrorism awareness site would be the same person who will invest in my moon real estate.
A domain infamous for turning truth on its head, a website that expect Palestinians to acquiesce
to the whims of Israelis to stay alive.
I survived 2mins of its indoctrination before closing the page for good. At the beginning they show
you how the Jews suffered in Germany and Russia and thats about the only truth.
Next you're confronted with the melodramatic footage of wounded Israelis. They won't tell you for
1 dead Israeli, there are 20 dead Palestinians. I expected them to be biased but was still shocked
at the affront to human decency.
Did Steven Spielberg have anything to do with it? You can see his handiwork all over that movie.
Please visit www.outfoxed.org before venturing into this right wing and Jewish funded website.
Why would any one expect a film by David Fox "news analyst" Horowitz to tell us "What really
happened"? more like what never happened.

@davidylan
Your ability to eschew yourself of obvious facts is plain for all to see. You've really carved a niche
for yourself on this forum as the most Islamophobic person. Are you an Israeli "plant"? Am beginning
to think your thoughts are derived from a vested self interest. Does the name "David" have a Jewish
undertone?
My people make una look well well o.

@laudate

And is it true that among all the subjects of the Oba of Benin, the Ora people are exempted from postrating, or kneeling or bowing before the Oba, because they believe that 'they & the Oba are one'?

Na lie be that ooooo thats a myth started by Ora people. Lol

@ajadrage
Thanks for the link.
Anyway why can't we annex republic of Benin? My people lets bring back the Kingdom of Benin.

the present skirmish is between the Lebanese army and the islamic jihad palestinian millitants. Even if it were just between Lebanese are the victims any less to be mourned for simply because they were not "massacred" by IDF bullets?

The victims are to be mourned, but learn to differentiate between internal conflict, and being bombed by your "superior" neighbour. Nigerian army shooting at Deltan militants can't be equated with say Camerounian tomahawks raining bombs on Port harcourt can it. I still can't see why you would compare the two?

This is very daft reasoning. So you expect Isreal to only respond with century old weapons too?

The entire world saw the overkill except you. Even Condi Rice felt embarrassed when questioned about American inaction.

The REAL question you should be asking is NOT the age of the weapons used but why they are being used in the first place! The purpose of the IDF was not to bomb Lebanon discriminately but to dislodge hezbollah that have for the last 6 years used Lebanon as a launch pad to launch rockets into Isreal unprovoked. Of course hypocrites like you never notice that!

If it was to dislodge hezbollah, why the unnecessary overkill, the structural disaster etc. Can I also remind you Israel
had a large number of Hezbollah in Israeli jails. Kidnapping 1 Israeli soldier was deemed by Israel to be an act of war.

What do you think the lebanese army is using against the islamic jihad? The same US made weapons the IDF possesses, i am yet to see you crying about that.

America is only sending small arms to Lebanon, not cruise missiles. Anyway lets see the out cry in Israel when its used against them.

@davidylan

What is even more disgusting is the selective reasoning and double standard employed by the likes of you. Lebanon and the palestinian militia are presently embroiled in a much more bitter war and more costly in terms of human casualties and yet you keep silent, only running in to respond when the bullets are from IDF soldiers.
Did we hear you mourn for the victims of Hamas reign of terror in Gaza that is presently taking place?

Double standard? Haba david. Its the present skirmish between the Lebanese

more bitter war and more costly in terms of human casualties

.
Sorry david but if you were not so biblically cocooned, you would have noticed these waring factions are using century old small arms and tanks. When Israel rained down bombs last year, the purpose was to bomb Lebanon to the stone age. Am sure you did not see Israel using the latest Rockwell B-1B Lancer, the Lockheed C-130 Hercules, the F-14 Tomcat etc against an enemy that was using homemade rockets. Can you really compare the structural damage now to what Israel did with those sophisticated arms, paid for by Washington?
Yet I-man conveniently failed to mention this war. Was this a way of reducing Israel's plentiful acts of aggression?

I-man

Increasingly, the angry speeches of Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reveal a desperate president in need of a conflict. Just a few days ago, he crossed a key rhetorical red line by expressing open hostility towards both Judaism and Christianity.

The key word here is ]rhetoric, on the other hand Israelis don't believe in mere rhetorics, they just bomb you.
Would you prefer a neighbour who says I could kill you or the one who really have a defined goal of wiping you out with his bigger gun?

@davidylan
Have you thought of applying for the Israeli foreign ministers job? Tzipi Livni is very ambitious
(she wants the prime ministerial job) you could always present these historical and archaelogical evidence once and for all.

PS
Don't forget to take your friend, (yes him) the Nairaland spin doctor aka Joseph Goebbels . Am sure you would both succeed where America propaganda failed to make a dent. Lets see my friend spin a future intifada to a sceptical global audience.
Thanks.

I-man
Try this link instead:http://www.outfoxed.org