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Its a shame some people would enter into an argument even before understanding it.
Iranians are Persians.

Richard Falk is professor of international law at Princeton
University and the UN's special reporter on the Palestinian
territories. Richard Falk is also Jewish.

Good Jew

davidylan:
buhahahahahahahahahahaha

please let me quote the hamas constitution for you:

Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant states the following: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslem).

yeah . . . lagosboy has common sense.

Check the Jewish Talmud for these verses:
Jews can murder gentiles:Sanhedrin 57a
Punishment for us gentiles hitting Jews is  death:Sanhedrin 58b
Laws should only protect Jews and not you or me:Baba Kamma 37b

Even Ethiopian Jews are not allowed to officiate funerals, marriages etc
Jews sucks.
The Jews are hell bent on starting another world war with their fascism.

@Topic
Why are the Jews allowed time and time again to flout UN demands? The UN yesterday asked the two parties at loggerheads to cease fire and in response Israel vows full scale invasion.
I thought you cannot siege a city. Why is the UN sitting idly by why a city is under siege in direct contravention to its principles and rules of war? It's this subhuman treatment of the Palestinians against world opinion that has made even Christians question Hitler's botched attempt at wiping out the Jews. As an African "Christian" I view Jews as the bete noire of my generation, too much resemblance to apartheid South Africa.
Hey lest I forget, they hated Jesus too. 

@Pennywise

The protection these terrorists have is removed automatically when they assume leadership of a state.

In front of you is whats called a keyboard, next to it is what's called a monitor. Combine the two and you'd be surprised at the information available to you. To get you started am volunteering this info. Hamas does not or has not assumed leadership of any state.
As Afam would say>> Enjoy!

@RichyBlack

Let us draw a line between personal disagreement and character assassination!

Those are diversionary tactics employed by morons when they lack a more intelligent argument.

4 Play:
Rocket attacks from Gaza started the very first day of Israel's withdrawal and in the absence of the mentioned blockades.

Why do you think the Jews left Gaza in haste? Did you expect the Gazans to bid the occupyers farewell? I know I wouldn't throw confetti on my occupier, grenade would be my conffetti of choice. I think you're a bigger oxymoron than we give you credit for. Is their no way you can stop parroting your ignorance of the middle eastern conflict? Your malevolence towards Palestinians makes you forget reason,you're a unique slowpoke.

@Tayo-D

As 4 Play rightly pointed out, there is something called a "cause and effect" phenomenon. Why didn't Isreal make incursions into the West Bank? Why were the incursions limited only to Gaza, and why is the bombings limited only to Gaza as well?

The cause is the "land grab and occupation" and the "effect" is resistance.

@Davidylan

You bet the Darfur refugees would wish they could "starve" like that too.

The picture you posted is of Lauren Booth(Cheri Blair's half sister) on her famous journey to help end the blockade of Gaza. You're really honing your skill at misinformation here and why let the little obstacle of truth get in the way.

@Tayo-D

Can someone please tell me when last Isreal bombed the West Bank? Could it be then that Isreal will not be bombing Gaza today if no rockets were fired at Isreal from there?

They were not bombing Gaza but were still making incursions into Gaza during the "truce". Gaza was and remain the largest concentration camp in the world thanks to the Jews.

@JJYOU

all the apologists for hamas wont answer you

Progressives tend to reply useful discourse
It would be  full time job if progressives on Nairaland reply all asinine statements by blowhards like you. Do professional debaters get's paid where you live?

@Davidylan
First and foremost please free yourself from the difficulty of dealing with logic, and what am saying will all make sense. Now what you don't get is, you can't take a peoples land and not expect resistance. You really are a champion in this sort of "logic".
Equivocation my friend has its limits. In your warped mind shutting off Gaza and systematically destroying its economy and its people its OK as long as there's no protest. Conveniently starving a city of 1.2mil people and making it a concentration camp is
alright by you. Is it possible for you to actually think why the Palestinians resort to the tactics of firing rockets? I say this in the believe you're human and do not actually believe in some of the garbage you spew.
PS
Being an oxymoron made you fail to acknowledge that an eye for an eye would make the world go blind. The disease of hatred is incompatible with Christianity David,  please try other religion.

@4Play

If occupation is at fault, strange since Hamas' irredentist views go beyond that, then Israel's withdrawal from Gaza should have heralded a new dawn of peace, no be so? Instead, Israel's withdrawal heralded an escalation of violence.

Pulling your troops out but maintaining  land and sea blockade was ingenious on the Jews, cause it gave them carte blanche to use latest F16 on those below. Making the Gazans life worthless was a policy concocted by Sharon to provoke a response from the militants so Jews can tell the world "we told you so" see, we told you people so. They also  realized the occupation of Gaza is qualified under "Nuremberg" as crimes against humanity.Did the Jews deserve a trophy for pulling out of Gaza?  Come on!
Being a conservative should not make you a slowpoke by default see.

@davidylan
RichyBlack wrote

3. Have ever condemned the gulag called Guantanamo?

Your reply is

What is wrong with it?

I know this is a new concept to you but you don't win debates by displaying misanthropy, calling people names, screaming your head off etc.
This only turns you into a chipmunk, eek!! eek!!.

Bastage:
Why do you think I bought the subject up? All you've done is reinforce the point I've illustrated - that the Jews were at odds with the UK over the creation of the state of Israel.

They were at odds yes but thats because the Jews wanted the entire new state to themselves.
Britain wanted a homeland for the Jews from reading the "Balfour declaration". I hope you were not  implying the British foreign minister did not promise the Jews a homeland?
The Jewish agency were informed sometime in 1937 that the "Permanent Mandates Commission" would not be able to deliver what the Jews wanted hence the beginning of Jewish terrorism against the Brits. I hope you're not off your medication because you're sounding like a blowhard. You're the one who pasted the letter written by the British foreign minister in which he said

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object.

The Jews only started throwing their toys out their prams when the League of nations refused to meet Jewish expectations.
You're making  davidylan look a genius but then I don't know how grueling it is for you to render thought.
A brief history of the "middle eastern conflict" is still on sale but it.

@Bastage

You base your whole argument on 3 paragraphs written by a government official

Er, Arthur James Balfour was not just a govt official, he was foreign minister when the declaration was made in 1917.

And you've totally overlooked the fact that the Jews were in Israel a long time before Balfour wrote. There were large exoduses in the 19th century. This led to such incidents as the massacre at Hebron where 67 Jews were murdered by Arab extremists.

The above would have made sense if Arabs were not already living in Palestine. As at the 7th century (way before the 19th) Arabs were the majority population.

If the West was so ingratiating to the Jews, why the arms embargoes that left them defenceless against Arab attack? Why were the Arabs handed a flood of British weapons to fight the Jews with? Explain that one. And I'm the dufus? You have no idea of history.

You're not a doofus but am tempted to call you a  knob head because I never said:"the West was so ingratiating to the Jews"?
I however said that the Balfour declaration became the basis for the creation of Israel.

The British actually fought against the Jews trying to stop them establishing a state in Palestine. Jews were branded terrorists by the UK authorities. Try reading about such subjects as the Exodus 1947 where a boatload of immigrants landed in Israel and the UK sent them back to German Camps. Explain that.
Then explain how UK soldiers were killed by Jewish terrorists in gun battles and bombings.

Branding them terrorist could not be because the first terrorist bombing in the middle east was carried out by the Jews, could it? Other examples are:
(1)The King David Hotel Bombings directed by the terrorist Menachem (Polish citizen)Begin who later became Israel's prime minister,
(2)British military headquarters bombings
(3)The Jerusalem Railway Station bombings etc.

Get a decent history book (if only for the sake of your progenitor)instead of reading on-line blogs written by semi-literate morons.

@Bastage
Considering I've just got back from church I was in two minds to reply your post, anyway the idealist in me won.
You've just earned yourself a job with the davidylan/Tayo_d traveling circus. This may not be your intension but sadly that's what you achieved with your doofus argument.

I almost vomited when I read

"The UK and the West tried to block it's creation and then supported the Arabs when they invaded. Only to see them get their asses kicked."

I finally vomited when you wrote

"Of course, we can live in a dream-world and pretend that Israel was created by the US, UK and the West which thought it was a[b] great idea[/b]"

Great idea indeed if its not your land that is being taken. Why didn't you tell the the UN to carve out a part of Lagos state to accommodate the Tutsis fleeing genocide from the Hutus?
Here are the facts for you to ponder:
(1)It was Europeans who declared in the "Balfour declaration" that "Palestine should be reconstituted as the National Home of the Jewish people".

(2)Jews live in diaspora waiting for God to tell them to return to "Israel" no such confirmation has been made as far as I know.

(3)Most Jews came from Europe including its first premiere Ben Gurion who is a Polish citizen (born and bred).

(4)Arab population in Palestine then was 93%  with Jews 7%

(5)Baron Lionel Rothschild (a Brit Jew) literally dictated the draft of the Balfour declaration that later became the basis for the creation of Israel.

From the  above you can see the Jewish state was forced on the Arab people. It's also relevant to note that when the world was looking for a homeland for the Jews, Uganda was one of several countries proposed as the new "Israel".
Phew!! Africa came dangerously close from hosting these treacherous people.

@Afam

It is a good thing that you made reference to the ape you posted as your picture. I may download it and send a copy to National Geographic Channel so they will have an up to date image gallery for apes in the world.

Abeg no kill me o!

@RichyBlack & Afam
Ho ho ho
Compliments of the season to you both.
I was wrong to think the splenetic davidylan has joined the human race considering his support for Obama. I thought he'd removed himself from the perpetual self-hate hokum that Tayo_D immerses himself in. (Why is there no rehab for self-hate?)
It's difficult trying to discourse with people who have a dilemma dealing with tangible facts, reason or logic, now and again I lob a verbal grenade at them and disappear.
Sometimes boredom brings me to nairaland to engage in meaningless debates that serves no real purpose.

The shoe thrower should have done a trial run.
Below is the route the projectile should have followed (if lobbed right).

History has shown that using those weapons saved a helluva lot more lives than they took.

I have never heard anyone with this kind of logic. Try thinking out of the box my friend. To opine that killing millions of japanese with nukes helped saved more lives means you believe that Iraq using chemical weapons against Iran was justified.
You come across like a long time fan of Fox news,  don't you have any original thoughts of your own?
"NUKES SAVES LIVES". ROFLMAO! Hehehe!

@Bastage

Alternatively. It's far more likely that since the invasion his wife could have been murdered by fellow Muslims. His brother could have been arrested innocently and sexually molested by fellow Muslims. His in-laws could have been killed/assaulted by those fellow Muslims.

I couldn't have put it better than Justgood but suffice it to say that Bush created this atmosphere of sectarian killings amongst the Iraqis. Without the invasion non of the above would have happened. Are you really saying that Americans love Iraqis so much that they're willing to sacrifice some Americans just to bring democracy to Iraq? Why is the US obsessed with spreading democracy in other people's country?
The war was about oil and nothing but oil. Would you have sacrificed the lives of tens of thousands of Nigerians and make 5million of us refugees just to remove Abacha?
Saddam may have used chemical weapons against his neighbors but so did America. America remain the only country to have used Nuclear weapons hence they are always scared when any nation want to be at par with them.
Why is Bush the most reviled leader ever to grace the white house?

@chidi
If you don't regard your post as sarcasm or satire then you need help.

@Shockstein

Shockstein:
All you cocksucking Nigerian hypocrites abusing Mr Bush should take a dip in Bermuda Triangle, how many of you monkey depostic leaders have you stoned, rather you give them cheiftaincies and talk shitt on the internet. The west will yet recolonise Africa so your bloody ass will learn how to behave, scalywags.

Why so much anger? Do you get put in a labour camp for not suporting the American govt at every turn?

Let me also get this straight . . . these "bunch of fanatics" where protesting US "failed policies" in the middle east so they chose to fly a plane full of innocent citizens into towers full of thousands of citizens who don't even know how to spell I-R-A-Q? Does this make sense to you?

Killing civilians should be condemned by all but in the face of injustice doing nothing is not an option.

Zimbabwe's problems began in 2000 when he forcibly took back farms that formed the backbone of his country's economy and gave to his lazy, inept cronies. So just who strangled the Zimbabwean economy?

Why are African leaders not supporting the removal of Mugabe? Why is it only western countries that are opposed to Mugabe? The racist annex in former Rhodesia had 90% of the land whilst the indigenous African population had none. Mugabe warned them in 1980 that he would take back the land and justifiably he did. He should be applauded by all Africans.

Hello? So you mean to tell me that in Nigeria the army can just wake up and go seek revenge without express authorization by the commander in chief of the armed forces?

In a nut shell Yes. The army went to Odi to install order but went beyond their remit.

1. Are ordinary Americans the ones at fault for these mysterious "failed policies"?

Ordinary Americans were the ones who voted in Bush twice. Am against the killing of civilians, but now and again you are bound to have these collaterals.

2. What really are these "failed policies"? Why have Arabs ALONE responded to these "policies" with violence and death?

Eh,  maybe Arabs are the ones that live in the middle east where most of these international atrocities take place. They were probably tired of seeing stone throwing Palestinian children massacred by weapons paid for by Americans.

3. The 2001 attacks on the WTC were in reaction to EXACTLY WHICH "failed policies"?

The policy of grabbing other peoples land.

Shame the man threw a shoe as most middle eastern folks would think a grenade was more appropriate.

texazzpete:
Kindly shed more light on the 'preaching intolerance bit'. Also when you complain about Bush making America a 'breeding ground of seething hatred', i wonder if you realize that

1. Everything was fine and peachy right until some geezers decided to fly an airplane through the WTC Twin towers
2. Even after the Sept 11 attacks which were obviously carried out by muslims of middle eastern origin, there were few reported cases of violence against muslims and arabs in America. In fact, the oft reviled Bush administration led the call for tolerance and peace

I'm not in support of Bush here. I believe the guy's an inept fellow and a bumbling mess. And he has to take responsibility for some of the chaos in Iraq. But calling him a Killer?
I mean, Mugabe is largely responsible for the famine in his country and several whites were killed during his land reform programme but you don't see me calling the feller a killer.

Lets get this straight, a bunch of fanatics fly a plane into the wtc and all Moslem's are now terrorist yeah?  Does this make sense to you? Were Iraqis amongst the "geezers" that blew up the WTC? The answers to the above questions are historically recorded and am not going to go over them.
Bush did not have to hold an AK47 to be called a killer same way you overtly indicated Mugabe was responsible for the political chaos in Zimbabwe. It was however wrong of you to blame the famine in Zimbabwe on Mugabe? Was that a typo or did you really mean to say the famine and cutting off of credit and the strangulation of the Zimbabwean economy done by Mugabe?

The delicious Irony in this! afterall, Nigeria voted Obasanjo in twice AND voted in Yar'adua. We know PDP is corrupt to the core yet we keep voting them in. Shame on Nigeria too? I admire your conviction, though. You may choose to start by campaigning for OBJ to be sent to the Hague over the Odi massacre.

Did OBJ give the order for the military to indiscriminately kill people in the Niger Delta or was it the military seeking revenge for the murder of some policemen?

As for Bush's second term, blame Al Qaeda. Kerry had a very good chance of sweeping the polls until Al Qaeda decided to release a video just before the election. For American people with terrorism still fresh in their minds, voting in Bush became a priority.

Am nonplussed about the above statement. Are American's so naive not to see it was their failed policies in the middle east that brought about the attacks?

PS
I didn't think someone of your ilk will ever find anything wrong with Bush. Your name is a clear statement of affiliation to the American cause. (TexazzBush may be more appropriate)

Muza:
lol

Earthmama,
you are an ignorant,frustrated,useless,old,foolish,idiot  .
We ddnt give our self this power,God gave us,there s nothin u can do about that.

Up till now u havnt told us which state u are from,u must be 1 of those noise making minorities.
Shegiya kawai  

I didn't have problem with your post until I saw the sentence in bold. You forget we minorities are the ones feeding your a**and taking care of the opulent lifestyle of your feudal Emirs.

They'd be given even more than they asked for, this is what prevails in the absence of probity.

davidylan:
Daddy G.O. . . . Africa as the light of the world? I have to practically draw a map before most Americans understand what on earth Africa is.

Thanks for reminding us of the above. African's are actually losing sleep cos Americans don't know where we are on the map. (Ever thought of having friends who're a educated?) What a stupid comment.

It'll be a shame if Bushman is not delivered to the Hague by Obama. Why are killers like him not in jail? The blood of thousands of people are on his hands for the so-called "Bush Doctrine" of preaching intolerance and making America a breeding ground of seething hatred.This Muppet should not retire to relative peace whilst his killing machine goes on.


PS
I doubt if Obama will have the political courage to send Bush to the Hague anyway, Americans are too conservative to think rationally. I mean it was Americans who voted this evil man in twice. Shame on America.

ikeyman00:
the problem with nigerians is whenver there is a bangwagon issue, everybody all of a sudden turn up as an expert.

Gbam!!

Obama is whatever you want him to be.

4 Play:
Go and check whether your neighbour is a member so you can have a ''quiet word'' with him. 

http://bnpmemberslist/

What normal person visits www.racist.com to check members list. Are you  surreptitiously recruiting  members for the BNP?

SeanT21:
What is BNP?

They're the British equivalent of the KKK.  Next time do your own search on google its easy and most of all free.

kabraw:
The same setup claimed the fundamentals of the US economy was strong and two weeks later, the United States economy was and is in a recession.don't believe the analysis.

So Merill Lynch's analysis are no longer to be trusted because it dared to report something positive about Nigeria. How many finance management companies in the world have better integrity than Merill Lynch?
Can you quote any company that have done any extensive report about the Nigeria economy that negates what the Lynch report affirmed?

A known foible in the Nigerian person is to be always pessimistic, its part of the Nigerian ethos.

nuzo:
It is becoming clear that oshiomole is not going to be different from his predecessor; osumbor. A man he should have arrested as soon as he took the oath of office.
Was oshiomole not the same parrot that was making noise about how much osunmbor was stealing while he was still governor? He is now diverting attention with how osunmbor is stealing plates and spoons.

It seems the brave people of Edo have been scammed.

Thanks for your concern but we can manage our own affairs. Its barely a week since he took over, give the man a chance, anyway try and concentrate on your own state.

Mr chairman should concentrate on conducting a free and fair election in Nigeria before telling the US how to run theirs.

However I also believe the American electoral system sucks. Bush became president even though Al Gore had more votes than him. You would have thought the person with the largest vote becomes president but not so in the US.

Haba the same recycled politicians? The only name missing from the proposed cabinet is Obasanjo.

Some post here further re-enforce my belief that pessimism amongst Nigerians is second to none in the world. Did any of  those debunking the Merill Lynch report do their own research? (Hell no)
"Uber" economist diggler  would want us to believe that

Apart from Oil & Gas, telecoms, real estate & the typical importation/buying & selling, what else is working

.
Make's you wonder if he read the report before jumping to conclusion.
I bet you the same people trying  to  debunk this finding would be the same that would  ridicule Obama, the Nigeria/Chinese satellite project, our Nuclear ambition etc. To these people, nothing good ever comes out of black people.
Anyway don't believe the report, believe our eminent armchair economist instead. Our numerous Nairaland armchair economist know better than Merill Lynch (even though Merill Lynch are the world's leader in finance management).

A friend told me last week that November 2007 the exchange rate was £1.00= N265.00 and November 2008  its now £1.00 to N190. The Dollar is also not getting any  better, shame if you live abroad and your Dollar is no more giving you your expected returns.


PS
I know this is a difficult concept to grasp by the morons that believe in self hate,  western countries also had problems before reaching the dazzling heights that so attract you. (check out China and Japan)