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@I-man

I remember,innumerable times,priests during mass claiming that the constant enimity the Jews face and the atrocities they have suffered over 2 millenia is connected to their rejection of Christ.

I don't know what version of the good book you're reading, but this is in the version of the bible I have. Try this link for bible http://www.onlinebible.org/.
Am surprised you thought the priest made it up, please get rid of any dodgy Bible in your possession.

Don't forget that the Catholic Church has been pro-Palestine and campaigned at the UN,back in the 40s, to ensure that the State of Isreal was not admitted.It was reluctant to recognise Isreal.

Jesus himself was always supporting the down trodden , little wonder then that a church that professes to worship him would side with the underdog. When the Catholic church stop supporting the weak, I'd pack my bible and look for a different church.

@TayoD

Doesn't that turn the entire debate over its head? The conclusion from the very word go is "Isreal don't want peace". Are you now saying otherwise?

If you had bothered to read the article you quoted, you would have seen that Mr Levy gave reasons for coming to that conclusion. Why did my statement mean am saying otherwise? If you read my previous posts you would find I have been saying the same thing all along. Israel would have to give up land for peace.

That is not a theory my friend. It is part of Hamas binding article. The diffeence is that the two countries I mentioned are governed by moderates who believe in civility and the inherent ability of the civilised world to solve its problem.

How come "moderate" Abbas couldn't deliver? Was it not because he couldn't deliver that made the Palestinian people vote for Hamas?

Hezbollah is trying to topple the Lebanese Government

Their was no Hezbollah in Lebanon until Israel invaded it, hence creating Hezbollah.

Iran is governend by the one who is on a crusade to wipe out the Jews, we know Syria's agenda,

How can this happen when Israel is armed to the teeth with Nuclear weapons? Look up the word "saber rattling"

and the You.S. just rid Iraq of Saddam

and caused chaos

who was sending scud missiles into Isreal unprovoced and without any retaliation from Isreal. Aer you blind to these facts or you just choose to ignore them?!

Why do you think Israel did not respond?
Was this because Iraq was at war with America and its allies? Or was this because if Israel had retaliated America would have lost the coalition it worked had to create. My friend you are the one blinded by religion.

@I-man

So? Don't Nigerians do the same?

Tell this to the millions of unemployed Nigerians.

@I-man

I guess you too see issues from an anti-Semitic perpective.I can recall quite clearly,your very self using the term "Jew" in a perjorative manner,when you refered to Condoleeza Rice as a "black Jew".

Why would I be anti-Semitic? Give me a reason why a Nigerian born practicing Catholic would hate Israel?
I do not like the right wing govt of Ehud Omert, simple.
But you on the other hand supports everything Israel, weather right or wrong.

@TayoD

Isreal has lived in peace with Egypt and Jordan for some decades now.

So there's a probability it can live in peace with Palestinians. Building more houses in the occupied territory is hardly a way forward.

It is the injustice that comes about because a man who lived centuries ago said no jew should be left alive on the last day.

The two countries you quoted are Moslem countries as well. I wonder why they didn't believe the "kill all Jews" theory you stated. Could this be because Israel remains intransigent?

@Afam
My guess is chidichris sees the issues in the middle east as between Christians and Muslims, forgetting the injustice.
Chidi please prove me wrong.

Working at the immigration dept years ago, I know Indians would arrive Nigeria with a technician's certificate but would apply for an engineers job. In those days, it was illegal for a foreigner to do a job Nigerians are equip to do.

Chei chei chei!
I should have guessed I-man was 4play, they are never online at the same time. Hmm
Nice try , Lol.

We only started screaming Mugabe must go since he seized those lands that were taken by white farmers. How could the whites in Zimbabwe who make up less than 5% of the population have over 50% of the lush and fertile plains of Zimbabwe?. I may not like Mugabe, but many African presidents are in no way managing their economy better than Mugabe.

@chidichris

i am delieghted with your presentation here and for the first time in this forum i see a point well delievered to be argued upon.
my first question here is where is Iran in the sponsorship of palestine?
i still want to know from you if you believe that hamas is being sponsored solely by Iran and Syria?
so if iran can sponsor hamas, why not palestine?

I would think Iran "sponsors" Hamas and by virtue Palestine.

isreal was not in your post as a sponsor, do u believe that except a coka kola company, there is no other company in palestine and even at that palestines do not consume more of their coke as they prefer the isreali product.

Israel does not "sponsor" Palestine.
Would you invest in an occupied country? Don't expect investment to flow to Palestine as long as it remains an occupied country.

do you know that hamas refusing to recognise isreal as a nation made isreal and the western world to sieze all the funds for months which led to the administration being paralised for months with non payments to workers and unavailability of basic armeinities in the country not until of late when isreal release parts of the funds.

Am sure you know that the funds you mentioned was actually money given by donor countries? Israel decided to keep the money because every thing going to Palestine goes through Israel first.

i hope you are aware that the worst thing that can happen to palestine is an isreal decission to close their borders for even 24 hours.

Israel does that every time in the pretext that it was trying to stem arm flow to Palestine.

be rest assured that no matter what we say here, anything less than the eradication of isreal is not in the agenda of iran and hamas.

If I actually believed Palestinians have the technology to even trouble Israel, I would have been here arguing on the side of Israel.

they are demanding for a total withdrawal and there is a clear claim here that there is no country like isreal existing here in the middle east.

Withdrawal to pre 1967 borders.

be rest assured that no matter what we say here, anything less than the eradication of isreal is not in the agenda of iran and hamas.

As long as Israel has their nukes, these are mere rhetorics and saber rattling.

we should be talking about solutions and not blames, let us know here what you think will offer solution be be informed or try and understand the demands of hamas and iran then think out something.

The only solution I think is for Israel to withdraw its military from the occupied lands. It might look impossible now because the only authority Israel might listen to is the USA. Israel and Palestinians had the "Oslo" agreement until right wing Ariel Sharon came to power and derailed it.

I-man accusing someone of being mendacious?
You will do well as a comedian. Lol
When I asked for Bush's achievement he came with unproven economic facts and figures.
Of the 20 achievements he gave, 13 were to do with the US economy. After reading it you would be forgiven for thinking this topic was about Bush's economic policy. How do you have an informed debate with people who constantly spins the thread away from the main topic?

Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For?
77% Europeans think so
80% of the middle east think so
I don't have the figures for Asia and the rest of the world, I know this however.
Over 15 million people protested against George Bush on the same day. I doubt if any US president will ever be able to conjure so much hatred.
Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For? Yes he is, the world says so.

It is sad that some people get very upset when America or Israel is being challenged in this forum. This has greatly diminished the quality of the debate on this thread that I stayed away for a few days.
I think Admin intervention is good now and again.

I got fed up with the abuse and the condescending attitude that was becoming the norm when America or Israel was a topic of debate.

@denex
What an article, precise and to the point.

While browsing tonight I found out that America has been sending shipload of weapons to Lebanon to kill themselves. Last year the Bush administration sent shipload of weapons to Israel to kill the Lebanese.

Little wonder then that Bush's presidency is the most unpopular amongst those polled in Asia, Africa and the middle east. In Europe 77% are against his policy.
The facts speak for themselves, George Bush Is Destroying What America Stands For.

@TayoD
This is why I have been asking you and others to list George Bush's achievement

North Korea giving uo her nuclear plans.

Not really, where did you get this news?

No more Taleban

Not really, the war in Afghanistan is still going on. In fact most Nato countries have increased their troops.

Democracy in Iraq

If democracy means 500,000 Iraqis flee their country to Jordan and another 500,000 emigrated to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria and Iran, then stuff democracy. If democracy means you can't leave your house, civil war etc, then stuff democracy. Ask the thousands of Iraqi children if they'd rather have their parents back.

Women now voting in Saudi Arabia

Why is this an achievement of G Bush? Is this another style of democracy? Last time I checked it was still being ruled by the royal family, headed by Crown Prince Abdullah.

I see I-man ran away to do more research when denex produce this great article.Lol

@Bankole01

Be prepared to be called names. Lol

@I-man

Don't sit there and pretend that Clinton had nothing to do with the sanctions.

History would record the UN as imposing the sanction not Clinton.

I have stated elaborately,more than any other on this thread, Bush's positive record as President.Please refer to my previous posts on this thread.Thanks

You could have fooled me. Checking the entire thread, I could find 3 post where you attempted to praise Bush for some economic progress forgetting America relies now on China than anytime in their history.
Am not surprised you couldn't find more good deeds by Bush, even his most ardent supporters like O'reilly look stupid when confronted with same question.

@TayoD

So it is okay when the UN takes an action that results in the death of a million people but it is unacceptable if another person with the same goals use some other means?

The UN makes decisions on behalf of all nations, America takes decision according to its national interest.

How the hell did I miss this topic?

And where is sisimose?

Esan-i-gbedo (Translation= Ishans do not beat the Edos)

Peace to all my people.

If any body died in Iraq during Clinton's era, blame the entire UN.
The one's dieing in Iraq now are as a direct result of America's buffoon leader who invaded a sovereign country.

@I-man

Stop trying to spin historical facts

Bush invaded Iraq,
Clinton did not

Bush defied the UN when he and his allies invaded Iraq
Under Clinton's reign it was the UN that imposed sanction to checkmate Iraq's "weapons" program

Lest not forget the topic title : Is Bush Destroying What America Stands For? If you think he is not destroying what the US stands for, by all means give the reasons.

It's one of the reason the US is where it is today. you have to cheat to succeed sometimes i guess?

It should not bomb other countries when they cheat.
America should not have monopoly on cheating.

I have the winning numbers but its going to cost you, am talking next week's Euro-millions. You can play it on the internet. Am selling the six winning numbers at a bargain of 5,000,000. You will be winning over 60,000,000. Let me know after paying the money in my a/c.
Any way get in touch, lets discuss it.
By this time next week you'll be at Miami beach surrounded by gorgeous women.

@akinwunmi

Na people like u dey spoil this Country.Do u av to tell a white-a$$ about that.Abaaaaaaa

You are so wrong here. The people spoiling the country are the ones who travel abroad, make babies, get a visa to live there and then abscond after their graduation.
Should we allow Nigerians to go the four corners of the globe to procreate and forget about it? Are those kids not human beings? Does those women not have feelings?

I have mammy water next to me here.
The one sleeping beside me whose legs are glued together tonight must be a mermaid.
I did everything to prise her legs open-no luck.

@I-man
Why don't you visit your regular source of newsfeed?
Has Messrs Limbaugh, Ann coulter and O'reilly run out of excuses?

@davidylan
Considering the above as your doctrine why do you get involve in Israel and Palestinian issues, since you don't live there? How did it come into your midget thought process that I wanted a US visa. I thought we were now supposed to discuss the issues but I think the full area of your ignorance is not yet mapped.
Am going to stop myself from the pain of wading through your miasma of incoherent ramblings.

Is George Bush Destroying What America Stands For?

Yes he is, and these are some of the reasons
1)Attacked and took over two countries.

2)First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

3)Appointed more convicted criminals to positions than any president in U.S. history.

4)Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest against his policies (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

5)Dissolved more international treaties than any American president

6)First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.

7)First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

9)Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

10)Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

11)First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

12)Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).

Let me know if you want more reasons.
The above list is not exhaustive.

@davidylan
If its not too much to ask, can you give me some reasons why you support G Bush?

@davidylan
Afam may have over reacted, but I don't claim to know the history between them. Are you saying the provocateur (xtycod), has the right to call him bastard? If you are going to condemn an action, be balanced. Both made an unacceptable comment, thats what we should be saying.

@I-man

Is blanket opposition to each and every single policy of a Govt constructive?Is sheer hatred of a Govt constructive?

Blanket opposition?
Tell that to the widows and orphans around the world. Whilst you are at it, tell the Jews Hitler wasn't such a monster, on his break from killing Jews he also have one or two good policies you could refer to.