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@Mariory

Are you going to respond to davidylan's post?

Hehehe look closely, the answer was there for davidylan.
Since you wouldn't know an answer, even if it hits you on the head here is the question and surprise surprise the answer. Clue 1) the answer would be in bold letters.
His question

Funny how appologetics expect us to read Gideon Levy's article and yet fail to READ the article of Hamas:

Answer: Gideon Levy was a former spokesman for Shimon Peres (former Israeli premier) works for Haaretz newspaper (One of the more sophisticated newspaper in Israel). He is hardly an "appologetics"
Talk of a distant outsider weeping and wailing more than the bereaved.
He then said

These are the people that hypocrites, islamic revisionists and proponents of political correctness expect Isreal to pursue peace with!

How could any one in their right mind label Gideon Levy an "islamic revisionists and proponents of political correctness".

Since you may not be able to find your way back here if I ask you to go read again the article,below is some excerpts.

Oops

IS ISRAEL BLACKMAILING AMERICA?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/blackmail.html

This one's from CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/27/fbi.spy/

Sadly the Israeli lobby is more powerful than even the NRA.

Israeli Spying:The Mother of all Scandals
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/motherofallscandals.html

@Afam

Reading this I remembered a portion of the news I saw on Fox news a couple of months back. I can't find the exact link, but I found a similar story. They've been doing it for years.
Here it is a taster, the full article is here: http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/062000/0006006.html

Despite Coverup, Israel Caught Spying in Washington Again
By Richard H. Curtiss

Israel has been caught spying in Washington again, this time on the White House and other sensitive telephone systems. But Americans have to look and listen very hard to learn the details. The damage could be as great as that sustained during spy-for-pay Jonathan Jay Pollard’s blatant military codes, plans and secret-stealing rampage of the 1980s. And probably greater than Israel’s stealing not only of U.S. nuclear secrets in the 1960s, but even of American enriched uranium via an Israel-controlled contracting firm in Apollo, Pennsylvania.

Predictably, on the record the White House, Department of Justice and the FBI all are minimizing the damage, saying that although the investigation into Israeli eavesdropping on White House telephones “remains open,” no one has been charged because no crime can be proved. But off the record FBI officials have confirmed to journalists not only the espionage, but details about the operation and the perpetrators. They are a married Israeli couple, at least one of them a Mossad member stationed in the Israeli Embassy in Washington and enjoying diplomatic immunity from arrest.

@Mariory

Kids, this is why you should stay in school, listen and absorb what your teachers teach. That way you will not have such a restricted ability to reason or to post as much nonsense as that displayed in the above

What sense is one suppose to make from the above post? I don't know if you know this but, there is nothing wrong with having nothing worthwhile to say - unless you insist on saying it. Were you referring to me or the author of the article (Gideon Levy)?
Was this your conclusion or was this the place you stopped thinking? Next time get someone to translate it to meaningful English before you post.
You might say you're not an idiot but you are sure making a world class effort in simulating one, fool.

Some people here have started confusing Technology with Culture.
Technology is the application of scientific advances to benefit humanity

Culture on the other hand is the values, traditions, norms, customs, arts, history, folklore, and institutions that a group of people, who are unified by race, ethnicity, language, nationality, or religion, share.

Using mobile phone does not imply you are copying other peoples culture, kissing is.

Sorry double post

Ole

Honestly speaking if I were you I would get married. You said your dad is about 85yrs and your mum close to 70yrs right. They are mortal beings and would like to know their grandchildren before bowing out. Why are you not ready? Is it because of higher education or has finance got anything to do with it?

I agree with kachi_face. Nothing to be depressed about, plenty fish in the sea.
You will get over it, it is acceptable if he said it in the heat of an argument.

@wa_do_mi

what is wrong in kissing in the church

Haba!Even oyibo no dey kiss for church.

@ThiefOfHearts

Stay in your country.

What a stupid bigot.
America is your country yeah.
Shut up if you have no meaning full contribution to make.
This stupid bigot really gets my goat.

@jatuana

You did not leave an email in your profile hence I couldn't send you the link. I would like to leave the link here so every one can download the latest version of photoshop, but I don't think Seun will be pleased. This is not a warez site. You will find my email addy on my profile.

@adusol
I don't want to be out with my grandmother and seeing you eating the face of your girlfriend.

She marked "NO" even though she had $92.000 on her. The reason she marked "NO" was she wouldn't have been able to explain how she got the money. She should be jailed for life Oloshi

Posted by: easimoni
A recent survey of current Premiership managers asked the question "Which one player in the history of the premiership would you pick to start your team?" 11 of them said Roy Keane.

No surprise there, it's the 11 managers at the bottom of the premiership, 11 of them are also wankers.

I always knew he was a thug, hahaha
Lock him up and throw away the keys or give the keys to Arsene Wenger, hahaha.
If found guilty what would be his sentence? Does any one know?
I hope his incarceration last till December when the premiership would have been decided.

Mrmayor made the first and best observation and now am glad people are becoming more logical. How the hell did she get that amount of money to take out of Nigeria. She deserve what she got, the money laundering fool. They should seize her house if she has any. Am sick and tired of these thieves. Tired.

There are behaviours best left in the bedroom. Richard Gere is wanted in India for merely kissing the cheek of Bollywood actress Shilpa Shetty. Its not part of our culture, to stick your tongue down the throat of your partner in public. Yuk!

[size=16pt]Final Thoughts[/size]
All through this thread I have refrained from quoting the topic "Israel Doesn't Want Peace By Gideon Levy" until now.
The writer Gideon Levy was a former spokesman for Shimon Peres (former Israeli premier) works for Haaretz newspaper (One of the more sophisticated newspaper in Israel).
First paragraph of his article opens thus: The moment of truth has arrived, and it has to be said: Israel does not want peace. The arsenal of excuses has run out, and the chorus of Israeli rejection already rings hollow. Until recently, it was still possible to accept the Israeli refrain that "there is no partner" for peace and that "the time isn't right" to deal with our enemies. Today, the new reality before our eyes leaves no room for doubt and the tired refrain that "Israel supports peace" has been left shattered.
People here have tried to twist and turn the arguments, but truth will prevail. We are supposed to be sorry for the poor Israelis who are being bombarded by rockets every day, really. The mental midgets here refused to read the article, but are prepared to defend the indefensible. Ah! poor Israel, yeah right, give me a break.

P.S
Gideon Levy is a Jew.
I rest my case Goodbye

Dream on Son. Dream on

@Davidylan

This is very laughable! Yo mention divide and rule and in the same breath equate the Hamas-Fatah issue to the Ibo and Hausa scenario in Nigeria! My brother try use sense small! Igbos and Yorubas do NOT have the same culture, language and geographical location. Have you seen Ijebus fighting Ijebus? On the other hand Hamas and Fatah members are Arabs, have the same culture, religion, language and geographical location.
There is no similarity between two warring tribes in Nigeria and two TERRORIST groups fighting over power in the middle east!

So the Igbo and Yoruba analogy was too much for you to comprehend.

Have you seen Ijebus fighting Ijebus?

If Nigeria was made up of one tribe (Ijebus) and the divide and rule theory I explain was to occur, the Ijebus would fight each. A look at the political upheaval during the Nigerian election will tell you families can turn against families. Anyway I've seen the Modakekes fighting the Ifes. I think they both belong to the Yoruba tribe.

To pretend that hezbollah would not have existed if Isreal did not invade Lebanon is hypocrisy!

You are the one being hypocritical, a little search will tell you Hezbollah was formed after Israel invaded Lebanon.

What about the PLO?

To liberate Palestine (Palestinian Liberation Organization).To some of your question you have the answers glaring at you, if only you weren't brainwashed.

@n-ago-2007
The way it works here is you have to like Israel and America, if you don't, then you are a Muslim loving left winger.
They did not read your post before replying you. It was not necessary since the post was not pro-Israel.

@davidylan

My dear tornadoz, while you were here speaking from both sides of the mouth about Palestinians seeking peace with Isreal so long as they get their own land Hamas and Fatah are busy killing themselves! Are these the people talking of peace with Isreal when they can't even live with each other?

Mr davidylan you are becoming predictable. Lol! you really are.
When I saw it on the news I thought you won't be that ignorant as to refer to it. LMAO!
My friend, it's called divide and rule. If for any reason Nigeria was of strategic interest to any super power, we will be killing ourselves. The Yorubas will be fighting the Ibos and the Hausas will be fighting the Idomas etc. In South Africa during the apartheid years the Zulus were fighting the Xhosas. It is called divide and rule, this works by helping one side against the other.

As long as Afghanistan and Iraq remain safe havens for al-qaeda

Even the CIA now admits there no al-qaeda activities in Iraq prior to the war. In other words America have helped build a safe haven for al-qaeda.

Arabs will blame ANYTHING on Isreal! Egypt is blaming Isreal, Libya is doing the same, Yemen, UAE, Saudi Arabia, IRAN, Iraq. . . they all blame Isreal and the US for what exactly?

Er, for not allowing the Palestinians a state of their own.

They don't blame Russia and China because they are the source of the weapons they need to fight Isreal!

Damn right.

The massive difference between the millitary occupation of Lebanon by both Isreal and Syria is clear as day except to hypocrites! Syria invaded Lebanon primarily to annex it in part for its economic gains and to use it as a proxy in its war against Isreal hence the immense power that Hezbollah presently weilds in Lebanon!
Isreal HAD to invade south Lebanon to create a buffer zone between it and its borders and prevent Hezbollah and other terror groups from launching rockets into Isreal!

Who was using Lebanon as a proxy. When was Hezbollah formed? Was Hezbollah not formed after Israel invaded Lebanon?

As soon as Isreal left Lebanon no thanks to your worthless UN resolutions, Hezbollah promptly returned to the border to continue lobbing rockets at school children. Alas, to hypocrites like you, that is not injustice and since Hezbollah is not a state and did not sign the UN charter,, they are free to do so!

Israel created Hezbollah by invading Lebanon. Had they not invaded maybe Hezbollah would not have existed.

@TayoD

A concrete evidence is a better testimonial to the veracity of a case than the eventual judgement by individuals who may or may not be influenced by political pressure, economic pressure or pressure due to terror.

Have you bordered checking the make-up and integrity of the learned gentlemen that sit at the international court of justice?

Davidylan just mentioned the ruling by the International Court of Justice granting Bakassi to Cameroun based on an Anglo- German agreement - how dreadful. One thing you have to understand about the justice system is that it is not always just (never mind the name).

The court can only make a ruling based on the evidence presented to it. The court don't make rulings based on anecdotes and hearsay, this is the rule of law.

The rulings are based on laws which may or may not be just.

I doubt Palestinians were amongst the people that drafted these "unjust" laws.
You would have quoted this ruling if it had gone against the Palestinians.

For instance, a woman can go to court here in the U.S. or Europe and win the case to abort her baby because that provision is allowed by the law.

Damn right, it is the law of the land, abortion is legal. In the Republic of Ireland where abortion is illegal women cross the Irish sea yearly to Britain to have abortions.

But does that make her right? No. A Judge's ruling has to be consistent with the law and not justice!!!

Wouldn't you want your daughter to have an abortion if she was raped? We can't pick and choose which law to obey or which law to disobey because it doesn't suit us.

I have explained why this may not have worked in my response above. Do you also realise that the bakassi people are more closely related to Nigeria and speak a Nigerian laguage and declared they would rather be with Nigeria. Despite all these overwhelming factors, the Court still awarded Bakassi to Cameroun

Here we go again. So the court hates Nigerians thats why it ruled against us? As I said before, courts only rule based on evidence presented to it.

I addressed it to "him who says he is a practicing Christian"

I didn't know that a post clearly marked "@Tornadoz" was refering to another person, and am a "him" and certainly not a "her". As I said am not a mind reader.

@TayoD

That is to tell you that the almighty UN is anything but a just organization. It is an agglomeration of politicians who are there to only play politics. The fact that those who should be enforcing the oil-for-food programmes were
sabotaging it through kick-backs also confirms that the UN is manned by a bunch of self-serving people. Well, the entire UN wasn't wrong when they declared the Jewish State, but their fear of terror backlash as well as OIL is making them suuccumb to the blackmail of these Jihadists.

So we should not trust the UN when it comes to Israel right. What of the International court of justice that also ruled that the land belongs to the Palestinians? Are they also kick-back taking self serving Oil loving terror cowards bunch of people. You and Davidylan quoted an archaeologist and I stated that the man though British was also a Jew. According to you we should ignore the UN, the International court of justice but believe Jewish archaeologist. This is laughable.

Your refernce was only to John the Baptist. There are several archeological findings in that
land that points solely to Jews. Davidylan mentioned the wailing wall. That predates
anything non-jewish that is on that land.

Why did they not take this archeological evidence to
the international court of Justice. Wouldn't this proove once and for all that the land belongs to them? They did not take it there, because the eminent Judges there would not be hoodwinked.

Extensively? The only time I've quoted from the Bible is in response to Afam who keeps wearing "I am a practicing christian" on his shoulder. Again, a case of selective amnesia.You have turned Mariory into a Prophet as you all keep ignoring this basic issue.

It was actually not in response to Afam. You have the first post on page 2 and it was meant for @Tornadoz. You quoted Jeremiah 16:14, no where in that post did you imply it was meant for Afam. Sadly any post addressed to @Tornadoz, I assume the person meant me. Mind you am not a mind reader.

Why are you so concerned about my quoting the Bible and yet you ignore the fact that the Hama Charter to kill ALL Jews is attributed to the statement by the founder of Islam - Muhammad.

Are you saying the Koran advocated the killing of
Jews? Haba

@davidylan

What has Africa and colonialism got to do with this? Have you run out of more excuses?

You said "most of the injustice you claim to see is perpetrated by arabs themselves" implying that since the injustice was done by Arabs against Arabs this calls for foreign intervention by America, hence my reference to Africa.

Experience has shown that in 90% of all cases, the real proponents of the injustice are the arabs themselves. the US and Isreal are merely convenient excuses!

If you had cared to reference this 90% of injustice, I would have been able to comment on it, why don't they blame Russia, China etc.

Yes there is injustice in Africa, we don't go around blaming England, USA and Isreal for our self inflicted woes!

In many cases we do blame England and the US but not Israel. It doesn't take a genius to know why we would blame America and England and not Israel, and why the Palestinians would blame the US, England and Israel.

Syria's occupation of Lebanon between 1976-2005 had NOTHING to do with "support", it was a military occupation,

Israel's was also a military occupation but were made very unwelcome.

Why is Iran interested in shouldering the Palestinian question? Is it out of love?

Certainly not out of hate, certainly not for their Oil reserves.

Sorry double post

@davidylan

I'm sure if you looked very well most of the "injustice" you claim to see is perpetrated by arabs themselves.

There's also injustice in Africa, but are you advocating the return of colonialism.

Syria occupied Lebanon for over 20 years, i'm sure you and your mullahs with blinkered glasses do not consider that as "injustice".

Syria has a lot of support in Lebanon that's why they were able to stay there for such a long time, Israel couldn't remain for long.

Hezbollah, a proxy for Iran and Syria, continue to use Lebanon as a base for their terror activities; yet again this can never be regarded as injustice as long as the US and Isreal are not involved.

Why do you think it will not be injustice, if US travels thousands of miles to cause chaos in the region. Why do you think US intervenes in this region but won't do same in Darfur? US intervenes to protect its oil flow and to maintain the status quo regarding its satelite state of Israel.

Iraq invaded Kuwait and had to be forced back by the US while your injustice-seeking mullahs kept quiet,

Why did the US force them out, was it not to protect the oil wells. Was it out of love.

@davidylan

Amazing how Isreal is forced to abide by bogus UN resolutions that are routinely disobeyed by your terror organizations.

Israel forced to abide by UN resolutions, you are having a laugh. I can't remember the number, but Israel and America have broken more UN resolution than any other country.

Free thinking and islamic reasoning do not belong together! We all know the truth, in islam freedom of expression is an alien and forbidden subject!

I wouldn't know am a free thinking Christian that knows when their is injustice. I see a lot of injustice in the middle east. I don't hold brief for any mullah unlike some people do with regards to Christians.

This is merely reverse thinking. Since Hamas is no state it is free to bomb whoever it pleases? Since Isreal is a state it is not allowed to protect its sovereignity? Isreal should be held to the charter it signed while Hezbollah and Hamas should be given free reign to send rockets and suicide bombers at school children since the almighty UN with its bogus resolutions cannot hold them to a charter?

Could this be because many UN members also fought for independence one way or another. Mind you freedom is not given, freedom is taken.

It is not what America is sponsoriing that matters, it is the REAL GOAL of the Palestinians that counts at the end of the day. America is free to sponsor an 80 state solution to the conflict, as long as Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, Al-queada all have the COMPLETE annihilation of Isreal as their number one goal we would be merely beating the air with countless UN resolutions and roadmaps to peace!
What Hamas wants is NOT a state or peace but complete destruction of Isreal! People like you who propagate the politically correct "Hamas only wants a state" are only decieving urselves.

First thing first. Give them their own state, then we wait and see what happens.
Israel has always rejected talking to the Palestinian Authority bacause they accused Arafat of being a terrorist. They wanted the one they can do business with. Mahmoud Abbas has being leading the PA for nearly 2yrs. Has Israel (the peace loving country) struck a deal with him.

The response was in connection with your claim that Iraqis were not killing themselves before the Americans arrived. This is the usual refrain among islamic appologetics who prefer to glorify lies at the expense of truth. Was it the Americans who gassed the kurds, fought Iran for 8 years and invaded Kuwait?

Before the Americans arrived there was no civil war, there is now.

This is another example of Islam's al-taqqiya! To label those who kill over 250 innocent Kenyans in Nairobi as freedom fighters is appalling. What were those terrorists fighting in Nairobi? Did the Kenyans steal their land too?

They were not freedom fighters, however if they had done it on their soil (blow up America bases) I would have applauded them.

This is great news.