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the trip is all political. we know. of course we do. so also was McCains trip(s), hillary's trips, all of them. so even though i'm a republican at heart, i still know the real truth behind them all, and that is. . . . everything they are doing now is to get the votes to enter the oval offfice. period.

but i do believe McCain is the guy who can be trusted to go against his friends/party and do what he believes is best for his country. he fought and was ready to die for the country, he refused release from prison when his friends were not going to be released with him. he is a hero. independent minded republican. anti-abortion(main reason why i'm republican at heart . . . i get irritated by democrats tolerance of abortion.)

he was also right on the surge, he was against rumsfeld( even contrary to his president's beliefs), he wanted tax cuts removed when he felt it wont be good(against his party's wish) he spoke against the xenophobic tendencies of republicans, he went to the blacks and apologised for his anti-black voting record(politicians dont often say sorry or i'm wrong. . he did it) he want to NAACP in cincinnatti, he is soo different and he is someone immigrants like me and black peeps like me can trust.

obama is also good. no doubt. but only one person can get to oval office. McCain deserves it.

however i cant ignore the correctness of obama's foreing policy such as iraq withdrawal, afghan enhancement, time horizon vs time table etc
he is a great example for future black leaders. but McCain will get my support.

rubi:
Wa ooh di m bu onye Mbano unu bu so ezigbo madu

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echelon:
Ndi Igbo deeje nu!

Igbobabe eehmm ibobabe nnooo

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_{toshmann nwa mama i na-ahukwa ihe m na-ahu?}

chineke meeee

nwanne ahuru m yaaa ooooo chei, ala mbano muru m leeeee
bia o, bikonu kedu ihe nwa ada di otu a na eme na ukraine? nne i ga aputa ebe ahu, gbadata europe. oburugodi poland no shaking.

chei, ibobabe kedu phone number gi
. . . ooops, nne echefuola m na aluo la m nwanyi
but no shaking faxi-iara m number gi, madam will understand

@topic

all i am saying is this, it is either this war stops or it continues forever. there are few options of stopping the war. . . .
1. complete annihilation of israel may stop the war
2. complete annihilation of the arabs may stop the war
3. both 1 & 2 may stop the war
4. by some chance both sides decide to stop
5. niether 1, nor 2, nor 3, nor 4 stops the war . . i.e the war never ends

i strongly believe # 4 is possible and something can be done. may be not today, may be not this decade, may be not this century but sometime. meanwhile we must not give up and depend on #5 . no, that is defeatists. perhaps i live in alice's wonderland. i understand that statement. yes, i do. but remember when the wright brothers first talked about humans flying they were told that if man was meant to fly they woulda been born with wings. and today i can fly from cardiff,UK to Ohio, US . . . . never say never

Kobojunkie:
You lost me when you said “the fact remains that the sunni militants are now on the US side” @Toshmann. I don't know how to answer someone who believes such is the case.

phew!!!! thank God

in other words. . . . no hope? doesnt sound nice.

something can happen. somehow. it must not be bilateral israel-arab talk. it could be like blair-bush planned US-EU-Israel-Arab. . . etc, something like that. or a better innovation. something. . . anything. . . . otherwise. . violence-ad-infinitum.

get my point? something has to be done.

fake de fake

metropolitan police na acho gi, i daba n'ime panti ify, n'eti odeshi

ugbua in'aza zi agaba. . . hehehehehe. . . ebelebe igba . . . ma ya wurukwa darfur

ugbua i ga akpuru ekpo agaba kpushie ihu gi na london. ndi eke bia, gi idaba n'ime mmiri fuo
after all ebe ibi now(panti ify) o bu so-so mmiri-mmiri juru ya

fake biko ya gazie, aguru abiakwala ka osi abia. BabyO achoghi i fax-iri m daily moi-moi, aga m a-reportu ya n'aka ogbako igbo. eme ya asi na a bum nwa nne ya, okwa abiala m obodo obama now, still ahubeghi m ya

nwanne, afo di mpka, ka m ga mee ka imere.

good, that brings us back to "talks"
it even goes a step further . . . . the person to start talking to . . . egypt and jordan. just start.

_{it's like my days in cardiff uni, when time for dissertation came, i did not know where to start from, 16,000 words, i complained until my course director asked me to just start. then i started. . with rubbish. . . and then improved and by 3 months i was looking for what to exclude from my work. . . . just start the talks, it will build up, somehow}

all right i know it is a stupid analogy but the point is . . let talks start and continue . . . . .someday . . . someday . . . e go better

davidylan:
Toshie my brother . . . you live in a parallel paradise.
Talks ko, words ni.

parallel paradise
abeg you sabi say i no know book, wetin this one mean? b/c i dey suffer for this una country, and yet you de mention paradise

in the absence of talks dave,
with palestinians/arabs ever so willing to continue the violence
israel ever so ready to defend themselves(sometimes by attacking)
israel has a right to defend themselves

terrorists breeding everywhere and everyday

dave, my friend, tell me, what are the options on the table?

1. israel wipes out the arabs and then there may be peace

2. arabs wipe out israel and then there may be peace

3. dangling to and fro violence continues and we sit and watch every night b4 going to bed from generation to generation

dave what should happen now. think of a better option and you have my full support.

davidylan:
This analogy is so far apart from the Israeli crisis i don't know what the relevance really is. The US is talking to Iran and North Korea primarily to stop their weapons programs.

point. . . you can talk to your enemies and make progress. it is possible regardless of the depth of the enemity. even if it looks unprofitable, at least try.

davidylan:
This analogy is so far apart from the Israeli crisis i don't know what the relevance really is. The US is talking to Iran and North Korea primarily to stop their weapons programs.

There were no direct or indirect talks. I keep reminding you, this was NO talks but a hostage situation. Hezbollah deliberately invaded Israeli borders to abduct soldiers they could use for ransom.

Yawn. You guys say something else please . . . its always Israel who has to go fishing for those to talk to even when their plan is the murder of every single jew on earth?

but they communicated? that is "talks" are telling me that hezbollah announce in the internet/tv etc that israel should return their prisoners? there must have been some "talking" somewhere. it is a talk. one day the topic can change.

israel is a civilised nation, they can talk. they can start it. those guys are not civilised enough to even want talks, but somehow something can happen. start the talks. who could believe sunni militants could be on US side someday. have you forgotten the dreaded sunni triangle. dont always be pessimistic.

davidylan:
poor excuse. If the arabs had the "upper hand" we wont be debating "talks" but how to bury the jewish dead.
What do you mean by "they are civilised"? So Hezbollah is excused to go on killing until the Jews come to "talk" to them because being civilised is the sole perogative of Israel?

granted, poor excuse. better than no excuse. point is, you cant give up on peace. or are you saying this war should continue forever? something has to happen, or you expect israel to wipe out the palestinians? or vice versa? something has to happen somewhere somehow. until we figure that out we must try the option available now. . . . talks. it can work.

davidylan:
Read your news, it was a unilateral decision.

but that was what i said. read my post again

davidylan:
tell this to the arabs please.

i wish

onye gakwanu alu nwanyi joro njo . . o bu free? ihe ahu i ga emere nwanyi mara mma, i gakwa emere ya nwanyi joro njo, soo obaghi uru ilu nwanyi joro pieces. ka m ghara inwe nightmare n'abali

David, today the US is said to be trying to establish a diplomatic base in iran. . . hmmmn, the same iran they refused to talk with? the US talks with north korea. . . hmmmn . . . . axis of. . . . what was it again?

who did israel talk to when they needed the corpses of their two dead soldiers? who? remind me please.

how did the negotiations happen. or suddenly israel decided to unilaterally release five prisoners and someone produced two dead bodies for israel? who did they talk to? hmmmmn, we dunno.

see dave, if they want to talk, they will talk, period. whom they talk to? they'll figure that out. dont joke with their diplomatic expertise.

why do i place the onus on israel? b/c they have the upper hand. they have the 4 aces, (or most of them), and they are civilised. they can show the way.

what happened in gaza was a unilateral decision by israel to withdraw. talks are at least bilateral. even at that, if the gaza talk was bilateral, and israel did not benefit from it, it is still a good attempt at peace. we must always continue to pursue peace. it wont be easy, i didnt say so, but we must always continue.

the more they talk. . . the less they fight. . . . common sense.

haba my dear, MUSLIMS are not f-cki-g.

lol

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O wu ezi okwu?

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o bu toshmann nwa mama na ekele unu oooooo

dave i have no doubt in my mind that the arabs are extremely anti israel. i am not anti israel. i am not expecting any miracle from israel's diplomats. all i am saying is that there has to be a way.

this is exactly how the jews felt when hitler struck. their offence? their existence. so it is not new in human history. people have been attacked for no other reason than their existence. why did hitler attack russia? this is not new in human history. trust me.

while it seems sooo bad, all i am saying is . . talks are possible. yea. are you telling me that no single palestinian or arab on earth is interested in living peacefully? now if there are arabs who want to live peacefully and productively then that desire can be harnessed. talks can happen. dont be soo negative.
if they can talk to exchange corpses and prisoners, then they can talk. and if they can talk, they had better start talking.

toshmann does not expect anything great from such talks now. if "civilised" hillary and obama supporters in one party in a democracy are having problems talking in the US it will be unfair to expect any sudden miraculous fall out from israeli-arab talks now. however, with persistence, someday, may be in the next 1 yr/10yrs/100yrs. . etc something positive can come out of the talks.

the alternative. . . no talks, war forever. who looses? . . israel and arabs and indeed the rest of the world(except may be newsmedia. . lol)

i insist, there is no enemity that time and dialogue cannot resolve. history is replete with soooooooo many examples. let me start with our own nigeria, just 40yrs ago, apparently no living igbo man would consider yoruba or hausa man as anything but devilish. this bitterness was sooo intense that even today, many people from that generation that went to war still habour such bitterness. but hey, in my generations, young dudes are not only dating but even marrying yorubas and vice versa

there was a time the english and the welsh wanted each orther dead. the scottish felt the english were better off 6 feet below. if you go back to british history, the bitterness between the english and the scottish/welsh was far worse than that between israel and her arab neighbours. today they are one country (though they still hate each other)

last century the germans wanted all jews either dead or enslaved(dont tell me it was just hitler, the average german was not nice either. . then) today israel can do business with germany. . .

USA vs Japan

white americans vs african americans

i can go on and on, there is always bitterness in history and this is not the first time one group wants the complete annihilation of another.

it will be unwise to believe that co-existence, if not friendship, is impossible.
i strongly believe it is possible, albeit very difficult. but it is a better option.

and kobo,
whatever you may give as a possible reason, the fact remains that the sunni militants are now on the US side. it has produced low level violence. it would never have been if the US did not attempt to talk to the "terrorists".

al-qaeda may be determined to destroy US/Israel today, but if no attempt at talking to percieved terrorists happens, they will only gain membership and the bitterness will last forever. some of these so called terrorists can be talked to, at least that will bring a debate in their camp.

Islam is rising in the UK, and extremists are gaining membership, but the british govt is not being confrontational with the extremists. talks go on and just b4 i left the UK, there were 2 camps in british islam. . . the extremists and those strongly opposing them. now if the british govt was confrontational, even the moderates will back the extremists and violence will escalate.

this is not the first time some group wants another annihilated. other times in history were settled thru dialogue and this shouldnt be different

davidylan:
you people are as funny as you are ignorant. Israel to "dialogue" with hezbollah?
Its so ridiculous i can only laugh. Remove your head from the sand, hezbolah is dedicated to the destruction of Israel not a dialogue.

sorry to disagree with you dave, but if israel could "dialogue" with hezbollah to exchange dead israelis for living "terrorists" why should they not dialogue with them b4 the israelis die? why wait for them to die, and after an expensive, unneccessary and unsuccessful military campaign to do what should have been done? non-negotiations with terrorists is not working in the world today. face it.

talk to these people. who knows, they can be won over. remember, the US authorities negotiated with ''terrorists'' in iraq (sunni militants) and won them over, got them in their pay roll and used them to fight off al-qaeda in iraq which led to reduced violence there,

Jeez, this is not only the appropriate thing to do, it is also common sense.

. . . . or as they say . . . common sense is no longer common

makes no sense to me . . .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,383441,00.html

the israeli govt today exchanged 5 prisoners for the remains of their two dead soldiers. hmmn. i dont get it. were these not the soldiers who were captured and israel went into war which led to massive loss of lives and property until peace was agreed upon(after a stalemate) ? now they are realeasing 5 prisoners for the bodies of the soldiers.

i feel they should have negotiated this long b4 the soldiers were killed(if they were captured alive) or better still, this should have been negotiated b4 going into war. this is yet another example of a preventible conflict. israel could be said to be at a disadvantage here. the could not get their soldiers alive, they could not crush hezbollah and more importantly, they have psychological defeat. the hezbollah has their 5 prisoners, and some respect from the people and from. . . . hmmmn . . israel.

war should never be a first option. restraint is ever more beneficial. dont rush simply b/c you can win. and may i add. . . . the resignation of ehud olmert and his war cabinet.

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Queenisha:
ga kwa banye chapleti na nmiri
agwo no n'akirika!

cheeeeeei

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eke anyagbuola onwe ya n'anwu.

bia fake,. . . . felimbombo kwanu ? . . . . e miss-iri m ya oo . . . shhh . . . . ekwusikwala ya ike

fake how body?

agabafake

fake eh, imakwa na mpa m amaghi na adara m ule ahu. emechara legharia ya na june. o ga adi nma, mana agbapuru m cardiff fast fast gbaga obodo bush i ga hu nwa ada m. mu na ya nu na new jersey last 2 wks, but ujo ka na atu m o, maka agwala m nwanne m, mu na ya no na amego m graduate. ndia kwada m, wahala dey o

bia bia bia . . . . ibu onye nke hapuru ulo ya o kwuru ugwo for 2 yrs ga n'ime panti ify ga mere residence ya?(_fake)

ka i bu onye nke ozo n'asa toilet na central london? (_darfur)

hmmmn, mba, darfur na abia na forum a recently. . . . . o change-ibeghi aha ya. . . . hmmmn . . . otego fake biara. . . . and ndi uwe ojii obodo eliza ka n'acho fake . . . . . hmmmn . . .  hehehehe. . .   . . . fake mu o . . . . .   fake nwanne m oooo

i ga bi n'ime ebe ahu n'ehi ushi baaaad(panti ify)

agaba

agaba agabala nu oooooo

bia, biko onye ka ibu? amaghikwa m onye n'aza agaba. and yet, agaba dika o ma m, maruo m ala

biko gwa m your former name, ama m na i ga abu some dude change-iri aha courtesy of banning

oya gwam, onye ka ibu

kobo

i have a right to free speech. i'm also subjective. i was enraged when people made a fuss at McCains military record (general wes clark)
if calling you obama hater annoyed you, i hereby withdraw the statement. _{i remember calling wes clark a hater too.}

but to me, this is not funny. and you sure dont expect me to smile when i see someone sayinf it is so funny. well, you have a right to laugh. after all, mad men can laugh too. but dont mess with my right to speak out against it.

being subjective, i may sometimes get overboard. i'm not perfect after all, once again i withdraw the anti-obama tag i put on you(though i still believe you like the tag)

is she trying to say there is no good hospital in nigeria where she could have her baby?

hmmn, she nova talk wetin she wan talk.

why not take a trip to my village and see my native doctor for help in case of anything

ijiji1 of abagana

ijiji n'efefe. ibiakwa ozo. kedukwanu ihe aga akpo nke a now?

@kobo

that was in reply to your post #40 in this topic which seemed to me to suggest that you believe i was looking down on the intelligence of american voters. so i decided to show you that when i say american voters are subjective i was not trying to say they are dumb.

and even went a step ahead to show that i too can be subjective

edition:
the flag is underneath the picture of Osama.

Not the first time Obama has been linked to his Is'lamic heritage.

Michelle here might be a black panther or something. I think one of their slogans was " Power to the People". Black Panthers also have links to Is'lam.

The flag burning is typical Iran rhetoric.

and somebody here believes it is a joke