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SageNaruto: Its wasn't on his body but rada in d air around/close 2 his body... Look @ it very well.That's cos its evaporating... |
kimco: or kishi is azzpulling us as usual and u guys are lapping it up. rinnegan is occular powers...not body powers....no eyes...nooooo rinnegan powers. bad writing is bad writing.YOU NEED THE BODY TO EFFECT THE POWERS OF THE EYES. |
SageNaruto: Pls, rememba dat during d kage summit wen sasuke missed d raikage and hit a samurai, d samurai was saved 4rm d flames of amaterasu by kankuro who used his charkra string 2 strip d samurai of his clothing which were d only tinz on fire... In madara's case, we could clearly see dat he took off his cloth also... Yes, I will admit dat madara has defied most of d fact we thot we knew about d narutoverse, but ultimately, its kishi's story u can either choose 2 accept it or not but u can't change it. Kishi's word (no mata how poor) is law in d narutoverse. The fact dat u kip reading d manga despite ur blivs is proof of dat!!!! |
kimco: questions.....Before we start to solo ourselves, where have you been? I think most of these has to do with his current power up, he has now attained a level of the sage of six paths remember? His strenght, chakra level, life force, stamina, etc., has surpassed that of Hashirama and any other shinobi as we speak. Now from Rikudo Sennin's epistle, we can say safely that the body composition has a lot of effect on the eyes and vice versa. Rikudo had the rinnegan and when he splitted his between his 2 sons, one had a sharingan eye and the other had no ocular power, but when the 2 bodies merge, the rinnegan is awakened after a period. Now that being said, Madara has used both sharingan and rinnegan before he went blind, so just cos he lost them doesn't mean all the powers will evaporate, he still has the body of the six paths and that should be enough to use a part of the ocular jutsus. |
kimco: questions.....Before we start to solo ourselves, where have you been? I think most of these has to do with his current power up, he has now attained a level of the sage of six paths remember? His strenght, chakra level, life force, stamina, etc., has surpassed that of Hashirama and any other shinobi as we speak. Now from Rikudo Sennin's epistle, we can say safely that the body composition has a lot of effect on the eyes and vice versa. Rikudo had the rinnegan and when he splitted his between his 2 sons, one had a sharingan eye and the other had no ocular power, but when the 2 bodies merge, the rinnegan is awakened after a period. Now that being said, Madara has used both sharingan and rinnegan before he went blind, so just cos he lost them doesn't mean all the powers will evaporate, he still has the body of the six paths and that should be enough to use a part of the ocular jutsus. |
rapmike: I was abt saying dat and i suspectd it long tyme ago. I feel dat 4 doujutsu eyes, d chakra changes 2 smting more powerful wen d eyes r activatd.Its why their chakra are able to form amaterasu, susano'o and their chakra are able to control others through chakra rods.. |
Here's what I think, Madara has bothe Senju and uchiha DNA, which means that he's the strongest shinobi alive now interms of stamina, chakra level and life force, that's why he's able to withstand the pummeling.. As for the the right eye, prolly Zetsu just went to where Nagato is been kept and took it Finally as concerning his use of both rinnegan and sharingan techniques, he lost the eyes, but that doesnt mean he's completely lost their powers..they have their impacts on the body and the chakra and their effects can just wear off |
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Somehow having senju DNA makes all the bone snapping and instant eye transplant manageable I was close on that zetsu stuff If you want to enjoy this manga stop trying to rationalize its sweeter that way.[/quote] |
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Somehow having senju DNA makes all the bone snapping and instant eye transplant manageable I was close on that zetsu stuff If you want to enjoy this manga stop trying to rationalize its sweeter that way.[/quote]When you stop rationalizing, you stop thinking and it becomes uninteresting. As he is now, his strength and life force is stronger than that of Hashirama, cos he's achieved a level of the Rikudo Sennin by having both Senju and Uchiha DNA so healing and recovery is much more quicker. |
So I'm officially wrong, Madara was blind..and that gave me another insight, Rinnegan is not only about the eyes, the whole of your body is affected, your blood, chakra, etc. It was why he was still able to use Rinnegan jutsus even though he didn't have the eyes. And I gotta say, Madara just got a wicked pummeling from the tailed beasts. |
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dayo999: what did he mean by 'this is your last job'Releasing his eyes for more better use. |
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Drain the chakra where ? Surely it must go somewhere The blood ritual is significant since his blood contain genetic material of hashirama. Moukton cells probably has the ability to absorb sage chakra if you remember after sucking chakra out of hashirama he made some reference to handling power and the hashi face plant reacted to it,also bubbles of chakra could be seen moving into Madara I still think the same for that unknown ninja. If you revert to your stand that he must possess rinnegan remember black zetsu is trying to remove tobi's rinnegan, am sure to give madara.[/quote]Hashirama was never shown to absorb/drain chakra with his bare handsn so where did you get you theory that Madara is doing his with bare hands? Zetsu didn't state that he's collecting Obito's eye cos he needs them, he said he's collecting it cos Obito is now useless to them. |
texazzpete: Hashirama's DNA?Did you see what I typed? He was absorbing through his feet and not with mokuton, if he really is using mokuton to absorb, where's the wood? Hashirama has been using wood or trees to abosrb/drain chakra, Yamato used wood to suppress Naruto not his bare hands, so your Hashirama DNA theory is baseless. |
[quote author=nani.666]reawakening ? there are no eyes to reawaken.... unless you're suggesting he's growing another pair of eyes .......[/quote]PERHAPS NOT, BUT IT SURE IS ANY OTHER THING APART FROM THE FACT THAT HE'S GONE BLIND. |
Willyblinks: You still did not explain his use of reningan related power I'll list them again (1) absorption of ninjutsu (eg amatarasu)(2) use of chakara rodsIn the last page of the manga, he was even placing his feet on a shinobi and there was "absorb" convo beside his legs...any explanation for that? |
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]That sage energy absorption is probably due to his possession of moukton cells .We see him perform a blood ritual(containing hashi DNA) before absorbing Sage chakra from the 1st.[/quote]There's a difference between drain and absorb bro, what we've seen mokuton do is drain, not absorb, rinnegan however, can both drain and absorb. The blood ritual could mean a million things. In the last page of the manga, he was even placing his feet on a shinobi and there was "absorb" convo beside his legs...any explanation for that? |
texazzpete: If Madara was not blind, why would he want to take Sasuke's eyes? At the very least, even without any 'eye re-adjustment', he'd be awakened with an Eternal Mangekyou which he was already very skilled with. Why would he want to get rid of his own EMS and take Sasuke's version?Can you then kindly explain his use of rinnegan powers? I think its safer to say his eyes are re-awakening and not that he's blind.. |
Hmp! As if it would help..ladies are natural gluttons...its why eateries are their boyfriends not guys. |
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Madara is blind,those tell tale signs of an Edo tensei ninja evaporated along with the rinnegan. This is why I believe he removed his armour to avoid amaterasu. Hopeful the nxt chpter would shed more light. I always thought those Chakra rods where hidden in the Amaterasu cloaks never knew they were manufactured by rinne users.[/quote]Check page 4 well, even after he removed his armour there where still traces of amaterasu on his body.. You saw him absorb sage energy from Hashirama right? What jutsu did he use there cos you're saying he's gone totally blind. Where did an edo tensei user who woke up on the battlefield get chakra rod? |
dayo999: seems kishi doesnt want to bring back old(vulnerable) madara.first it was edo tensei now its a young madara without eyes.its leading to plot holes.i will wait for him to explain shaHere's what I think, Edo Madara was tweaked by Kabuto, that's why his edo tensei form was young, he had rinnegan and Hashirama on his chest. Now since his soul is alive but in a dead body, rinne tensei simply turned the dead body to a living, if rinne tensei was used from the onset, he might have woken up old. And as for the eyes, I don't think he's blind, it seems his eyes are re-adjusting to his human body and will take a while to activate. Or why else is he using Rinne powers if he no longer has rinnegan? |
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Chakra rods simple use is just for sending and receiving chakra. dead bodies with the rod are animated because they are receiving chakra from Pein if this is all it does kurama should be able to use though I get why u think it is exclusive to rinne users. I saw where Hashi said he can absorb ninjutsu I still he think he removed his cloth the drawings would have shown it better all we see is a cloth that was on madara started burning on the floor.[/quote]You've gotta think first on the origin of the chakra rod, its not n ordinary, the first time we saw it was when Nagato summoned the gedo statue, it was only after Obito acquired rinnegan that he finally said he was ready for war. And from the way I see it, rinnegan users seem to be able to produce the rods themselves just as a juubi jinchuriki is able to produce a staff. Go and re-read the manga, even after Madara removed his uniform, there were still traces of amaterasu on his body. And we both know it doesn't extinguish until its done burning what its set on. |
texazzpete: After paralyzing Hashirama, he said "It is a Jutsu I learned from an acquaintance of an Underling of mine"I think he was talking about the hashirama in his chest.. |
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK CHAKRA RODS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RINNEGAN IT IS JUST TO TRANSMIT CHAKRA I CAN'T REMEBER ANY NINJUTSU ABSORPTION HE JUST REMOVED HIS CLOAK THAT WAS ON FIRE WITH AMATERASU[/quote]I THINK YOU MUST GROWING OLD LOL...CHAKRA RODS ARE RINNEGAN INCLINED POWERS OR WHY ELSE WOULD NAGATO'S EYES APPEAR WHENEVER HE STABS A SHINOBI WITH THE RODS AND FOR HIM TO HAVE SAID AMATERASU AINT WORTH ACKNOWLEDGING MEANT HE DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND EVEN HASHIRAMA SAID HE WAS ABSORBING THE JUTSU..READ AGAIN. |
Willyblinks: Things I still can't reconcile...I think DNA has a role to play in all these. Seems Madara Cultivated he and Hashirama's DNA after their fight(and he was still young then), and it seems Kabuto tweaked their combined DNA which produced the rinnegan. Nagato's DNA was cultivated when he was still crippled, so its logical he was resurrected like that. Itachi's was likely cultivated before his eyes were removed. That's why he woke up with them. |
Willyblinks: Me I don't think madara is blind cos with ed tensi de all returned with eyes even it has been given away or used by another (as in the case of madara and itachi) madara could use his reningan and sharingan he never complained about the eye talkI think his eyes are tryna adapt to his mortal body..he has endless chakra in edo mode, but no in human mode, that's not the case. It could also be that his eyes are re-awakening. |
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Somehow Naruto wikia supports that rinne tensei can resurrect an edo tensei soul. @tosyn007 grt stuff.[/quote]Gracias |
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Probably cause Madara was already in Edo tensei form, scales just falls of his body instead of rising from the dead like when pein used it ? Isn't the technique suppose to work on those that just died ? Kishi needs to clear some stuff up.[/quote]Lemme give it a shot..Edo Tensei, resurrects the soul alone into another person's body and that person's body serves as a sacrifice, and since the soul is alive already before Rinne Tensei is applied, Rinne Tensei just transforms immortal body to a mortal one.. And I believe even if rinne tensei is used before edo tensei, he would still have returned at his prime age cos he was questioning Obito for making him return in edo tensei form. |
rapmike: check my respond above.......That's a rinnegan power which aint available to Madara yet for unknown reasons... |
[quote author=nani.666]Hashirama is weak tho...Naruto had one of those Chakra rods in him while he was very close to Nagato...in Nagato's hideout... and Nagato tried to control him...but Naruto resisted rather easily... sad how Hashirama was easily subdued...[/quote]Makawhy bro...Naruto could only resist cos Kyuubi intervened, why didn't he move when he was pinned initially? |
texazzpete: He had Hashirama immobilized with the chakra rods.Why then did he say till his eyes come back? |
texazzpete: Yeah. Check this outNaruto actually resisted Pain's chakra cos Kyuubi intervened not cos Pain's chakra is weaker or whatever, Hashirama wasn't referring to his rods cos he thought they're mere fighting weapons which weren't hurting him actually. |
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