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TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 11:13am On Dec 12, 2013
SageNaruto: Its wasn't on his body but rada in d air around/close 2 his body... Look @ it very well.
That's cos its evaporating...
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 8:48am On Dec 12, 2013
kimco: or kishi is azzpulling us as usual and u guys are lapping it up. rinnegan is occular powers...not body powers....no eyes...nooooo rinnegan powers. bad writing is bad writing.
YOU NEED THE BODY TO EFFECT THE POWERS OF THE EYES.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 8:47am On Dec 12, 2013
SageNaruto: Pls, rememba dat during d kage summit wen sasuke missed d raikage and hit a samurai, d samurai was saved 4rm d flames of amaterasu by kankuro who used his charkra string 2 strip d samurai of his clothing which were d only tinz on fire... In madara's case, we could clearly see dat he took off his cloth also... Yes, I will admit dat madara has defied most of d fact we thot we knew about d narutoverse, but ultimately, its kishi's story u can either choose 2 accept it or not but u can't change it. Kishi's word (no mata how poor) is law in d narutoverse. The fact dat u kip reading d manga despite ur blivs is proof of dat!!!!



AFTER TAKING OFF HIS CLOTH, THERE WERE STILL AMATERASU ON HIS BODY
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 8:36am On Dec 12, 2013
kimco: questions.....

1. how did madara absorb amateratsu?

2. how did he control hashirama without the rinnegan.

3. where da hell did susanoo come from... Jesus!

4. i remember for eye transplants, both sasuke and kakashi were operated on. why did madara jux plug it in like a doll's eye?

helloooo every one. long tym.
Before we start to solo ourselves, where have you been?


I think most of these has to do with his current power up, he has now attained a level of the sage of six paths remember? His strenght, chakra level, life force, stamina, etc., has surpassed that of Hashirama and any other shinobi as we speak.


Now from Rikudo Sennin's epistle, we can say safely that the body composition has a lot of effect on the eyes and vice versa. Rikudo had the rinnegan and when he splitted his between his 2 sons, one had a sharingan eye and the other had no ocular power, but when the 2 bodies merge, the rinnegan is awakened after a period.

Now that being said, Madara has used both sharingan and rinnegan before he went blind, so just cos he lost them doesn't mean all the powers will evaporate, he still has the body of the six paths and that should be enough to use a part of the ocular jutsus.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 8:18am On Dec 12, 2013
kimco: questions.....

1. how did madara absorb amateratsu?

2. how did he control hashirama without the rinnegan.

3. where da hell did susanoo come from... Jesus!

4. i remember for eye transplants, both sasuke and kakashi were operated on. why did madara jux plug it in like a doll's eye?

helloooo every one. long tym.
Before we start to solo ourselves, where have you been?


I think most of these has to do with his current power up, he has now attained a level of the sage of six paths remember? His strenght, chakra level, life force, stamina, etc., has surpassed that of Hashirama and any other shinobi as we speak.


Now from Rikudo Sennin's epistle, we can say safely that the body composition has a lot of effect on the eyes and vice versa. Rikudo had the rinnegan and when he splitted his between his 2 sons, one had a sharingan eye and the other had no ocular power, but when the 2 bodies merge, the rinnegan is awakened after a period.

Now that being said, Madara has used both sharingan and rinnegan before he went blind, so just cos he lost them doesn't mean all the powers will evaporate, he still has the body of the six paths and that should be enough to use a part of the ocular jutsus.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 9:12pm On Dec 11, 2013
rapmike: I was abt saying dat and i suspectd it long tyme ago. I feel dat 4 doujutsu eyes, d chakra changes 2 smting more powerful wen d eyes r activatd.
Its why their chakra are able to form amaterasu, susano'o and their chakra are able to control others through chakra rods..
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 5:29pm On Dec 11, 2013
Here's what I think, Madara has bothe Senju and uchiha DNA, which means that he's the strongest shinobi alive now interms of stamina, chakra level and life force, that's why he's able to withstand the pummeling..

As for the the right eye, prolly Zetsu just went to where Nagato is been kept and took it

Finally as concerning his use of both rinnegan and sharingan techniques, he lost the eyes, but that doesnt mean he's completely lost their powers..they have their impacts on the body and the chakra and their effects can just wear off
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 12:07pm On Dec 11, 2013
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Somehow having senju DNA makes all the bone snapping and instant eye transplant manageable
I was close on that zetsu stuff
If you want to enjoy this manga stop trying to rationalize its sweeter that way.[/quote]
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 12:06pm On Dec 11, 2013
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Somehow having senju DNA makes all the bone snapping and instant eye transplant manageable
I was close on that zetsu stuff
If you want to enjoy this manga stop trying to rationalize its sweeter that way.[/quote]When you stop rationalizing, you stop thinking and it becomes uninteresting.

As he is now, his strength and life force is stronger than that of Hashirama, cos he's achieved a level of the Rikudo Sennin by having both Senju and Uchiha DNA so healing and recovery is much more quicker.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m):
So I'm officially wrong, Madara was blind..and that gave me another insight, Rinnegan is not only about the eyes, the whole of your body is affected, your blood, chakra, etc.

It was why he was still able to use Rinnegan jutsus even though he didn't have the eyes.


And I gotta say, Madara just got a wicked pummeling from the tailed beasts.
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TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 5:58pm On Dec 10, 2013
dayo999: what did he mean by 'this is your last job'
Releasing his eyes for more better use.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 1:46pm On Dec 10, 2013
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Drain the chakra where ? Surely it must go somewhere
The blood ritual is significant since his blood contain genetic material of hashirama.
Moukton cells probably has the ability to absorb sage chakra if you remember after sucking chakra out of hashirama he made some reference to handling power and the hashi face plant reacted to it,also bubbles of chakra could be seen moving into Madara I still think the same for that unknown ninja.
If you revert to your stand that he must possess rinnegan remember black zetsu is trying to remove tobi's rinnegan, am sure to give madara.[/quote]Hashirama was never shown to absorb/drain chakra with his bare handsn so where did you get you theory that Madara is doing his with bare hands?
Zetsu didn't state that he's collecting Obito's eye cos he needs them, he said he's collecting it cos Obito is now useless to them.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 12:06pm On Dec 10, 2013
texazzpete: Hashirama's DNA?
hashirama can use his wood tech to absorb chakra. Possibly, Madara is employing that.

Bottom line is, there are plausible reasons why Madara may be absorbing chakra without the rinnegan. There is no plausible reason why Madara would have the Rinnegan yet want to take sasuke's eyes.
Did you see what I typed? He was absorbing through his feet and not with mokuton, if he really is using mokuton to absorb, where's the wood? Hashirama has been using wood or trees to abosrb/drain chakra, Yamato used wood to suppress Naruto not his bare hands, so your Hashirama DNA theory is baseless.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 8:30am On Dec 10, 2013
[quote author=nani.666]reawakening ? there are no eyes to reawaken.... unless you're suggesting he's growing another pair of eyes .......[/quote]PERHAPS NOT, BUT IT SURE IS ANY OTHER THING APART FROM THE FACT THAT HE'S GONE BLIND.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 8:16am On Dec 10, 2013
Willyblinks: You still did not explain his use of reningan related power I'll list them again (1) absorption of ninjutsu (eg amatarasu)(2) use of chakara rods
In the last page of the manga, he was even placing his feet on a shinobi and there was "absorb" convo beside his legs...any explanation for that?
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m):
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]That sage energy absorption is probably due to his possession of moukton cells .We see him perform a blood ritual(containing hashi DNA) before absorbing Sage chakra from the 1st.[/quote]There's a difference between drain and absorb bro, what we've seen mokuton do is drain, not absorb, rinnegan however, can both drain and absorb. The blood ritual could mean a million things.

In the last page of the manga, he was even placing his feet on a shinobi and there was "absorb" convo beside his legs...any explanation for that?
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 11:53pm On Dec 09, 2013
texazzpete: If Madara was not blind, why would he want to take Sasuke's eyes? At the very least, even without any 'eye re-adjustment', he'd be awakened with an Eternal Mangekyou which he was already very skilled with. Why would he want to get rid of his own EMS and take Sasuke's version?

Madara is blind right now.
Can you then kindly explain his use of rinnegan powers? I think its safer to say his eyes are re-awakening and not that he's blind..
Science/TechnologyRe: 'Smart Bra' By Microsoft To Stop Women From Stress-related Overeating by Tosyn007(m): 12:33am On Dec 09, 2013
Hmp! As if it would help..ladies are natural gluttons...its why eateries are their boyfriends not guys.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 6:01pm On Dec 08, 2013
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Madara is blind,those tell tale signs of an Edo tensei ninja evaporated along with the rinnegan.
This is why I believe he removed his armour to avoid amaterasu. Hopeful the nxt chpter would shed more light.
I always thought those Chakra rods where hidden in the Amaterasu cloaks never knew they were manufactured by rinne users.[/quote]Check page 4 well, even after he removed his armour there where still traces of amaterasu on his body..

You saw him absorb sage energy from Hashirama right? What jutsu did he use there cos you're saying he's gone totally blind.

Where did an edo tensei user who woke up on the battlefield get chakra rod?
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 1:54pm On Dec 08, 2013
dayo999: seems kishi doesnt want to bring back old(vulnerable) madara.first it was edo tensei now its a young madara without eyes.its leading to plot holes.i will wait for him to explain sha
Here's what I think, Edo Madara was tweaked by Kabuto, that's why his edo tensei form was young, he had rinnegan and Hashirama on his chest.

Now since his soul is alive but in a dead body, rinne tensei simply turned the dead body to a living, if rinne tensei was used from the onset, he might have woken up old.

And as for the eyes, I don't think he's blind, it seems his eyes are re-adjusting to his human body and will take a while to activate. Or why else is he using Rinne powers if he no longer has rinnegan?
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 7:50am On Dec 07, 2013
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Chakra rods simple use is just for sending and receiving chakra. dead bodies with the rod are animated because they are receiving chakra from Pein if this is all it does kurama should be able to use though I get why u think it is exclusive to rinne users.
I saw where Hashi said he can absorb ninjutsu I still he think he removed his cloth the drawings would have shown it better all we see is a cloth that was on madara started burning on the floor.[/quote]You've gotta think first on the origin of the chakra rod, its not n ordinary, the first time we saw it was when Nagato summoned the gedo statue, it was only after Obito acquired rinnegan that he finally said he was ready for war. And from the way I see it, rinnegan users seem to be able to produce the rods themselves just as a juubi jinchuriki is able to produce a staff.

Go and re-read the manga, even after Madara removed his uniform, there were still traces of amaterasu on his body. And we both know it doesn't extinguish until its done burning what its set on.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 2:19pm On Dec 06, 2013
texazzpete: After paralyzing Hashirama, he said "It is a Jutsu I learned from an acquaintance of an Underling of mine"

Underling is most likely to be Obito
Acquaintance = Nagato.

It cannot be anyone from Hashirama or Madara's era because Hashirama would have known the person...or he would have known the jutsu.
I think he was talking about the hashirama in his chest..
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 8:49am On Dec 06, 2013
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK CHAKRA RODS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RINNEGAN IT IS JUST TO TRANSMIT CHAKRA I CAN'T REMEBER ANY NINJUTSU ABSORPTION HE JUST REMOVED HIS CLOAK THAT WAS ON FIRE WITH AMATERASU[/quote]I THINK YOU MUST GROWING OLD LOL...CHAKRA RODS ARE RINNEGAN INCLINED POWERS OR WHY ELSE WOULD NAGATO'S EYES APPEAR WHENEVER HE STABS A SHINOBI WITH THE RODS AND FOR HIM TO HAVE SAID AMATERASU AINT WORTH ACKNOWLEDGING MEANT HE DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND EVEN HASHIRAMA SAID HE WAS ABSORBING THE JUTSU..READ AGAIN.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 8:10am On Dec 06, 2013
Willyblinks: Things I still can't reconcile...

If madara actually did give nagato his reningan and wanted it back for use how come obito (the claimed madara) after retrieval from nagato decided to use it with his jinchuriki yet madara was awoken with a sharingan/reningan

And If edo tensi raised madara who is supposed blind with his sharingan and reningan (nagato and itachi lost theirs at death) that's to say he got healed why was nagato not completely healed of his mobility problem. Abi na only eye problem e de solve?

I for one feels madara isn't blind but his eyes need to adapt to his new body, usage stress, or so ... Though I might still be wrong but this is what I feel or think
I think DNA has a role to play in all these. Seems Madara Cultivated he and Hashirama's DNA after their fight(and he was still young then), and it seems Kabuto tweaked their combined DNA which produced the rinnegan.

Nagato's DNA was cultivated when he was still crippled, so its logical he was resurrected like that.

Itachi's was likely cultivated before his eyes were removed. That's why he woke up with them.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 10:42pm On Dec 05, 2013
Willyblinks: Me I don't think madara is blind cos with ed tensi de all returned with eyes even it has been given away or used by another (as in the case of madara and itachi) madara could use his reningan and sharingan he never complained about the eye talk

If the renin tensi is to bring him back the way he was b4 he died ie blind (assuming he gave away his eye) then he should have bn older than dat too b'cos time must have added to his age cos he meet obito don't you think?

Another thing if madara gave out his reningan and became blind (since it was his sharingan that became reningan) before meeting obito please what was he using when with obito cos he could see

I think he only spoke about his eye returning in terms of usage maybe he had used the reningan a lot at the moment kinda stressed it that it requires a little time before another usage... Sasuke experienced same with his sharingan after facing danzo then kakashi
I think his eyes are tryna adapt to his mortal body..he has endless chakra in edo mode, but no in human mode, that's not the case.

It could also be that his eyes are re-awakening.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 10:38pm On Dec 05, 2013
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Somehow Naruto wikia supports that rinne tensei can resurrect an edo tensei soul.

@tosyn007 grt stuff.[/quote]Gracias
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 9:37pm On Dec 05, 2013
[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Probably cause Madara was already in Edo tensei form, scales just falls of his body instead of rising from the dead like when pein used it ?
Isn't the technique suppose to work on those that just died ?
Kishi needs to clear some stuff up.[/quote]Lemme give it a shot..Edo Tensei, resurrects the soul alone into another person's body and that person's body serves as a sacrifice, and since the soul is alive already before Rinne Tensei is applied, Rinne Tensei just transforms immortal body to a mortal one..

And I believe even if rinne tensei is used before edo tensei, he would still have returned at his prime age cos he was questioning Obito for making him return in edo tensei form.
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 9:27pm On Dec 05, 2013
rapmike: check my respond above.......
BTW, did u notice that naruto's actions saved Sasuke there, cos Madara could have just used bashon tensi and dragged Sasuke to him to remove the Sharingan, Sasuke should better be careful.
That's a rinnegan power which aint available to Madara yet for unknown reasons...
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 9:23pm On Dec 05, 2013
[quote author=nani.666]Hashirama is weak tho...Naruto had one of those Chakra rods in him while he was very close to Nagato...in Nagato's hideout... and Nagato tried to control him...but Naruto resisted rather easily... sad how Hashirama was easily subdued...[/quote]Makawhy bro...Naruto could only resist cos Kyuubi intervened, why didn't he move when he was pinned initially?
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 9:22pm On Dec 05, 2013
texazzpete: He had Hashirama immobilized with the chakra rods.

Basically, Hashirama is stronger than Madara. I'm pretty sure Hashirama > Madara with Rinnegan. Hashirama could even beat full strength Madara + Kyuubi.

Remember that Orochimaru's Edo Tensei ressurection of the Kages brought them back at nearly full strength, not full strength. So now it'll seem Madara may have the edge in power.



Both Orochimaru and Kabuto are small fry where Madara is concerned.



He doesn't have eyes. He's blind...he gave his eyes away to Pain, remember? Rinne Tensei brought him back to life without his eyes...
Why then did he say till his eyes come back?
TV/MoviesRe: Naruto Information by Tosyn007(m): 9:20pm On Dec 05, 2013
texazzpete: Yeah. Check this out

https://i10.mangapanda.com/naruto/656/naruto-4596735.jpg

Basically Madara stuck him with the Chakra rods in the last episode, but Hashirama didn't bother taking them out because his wood dragon nullified Madara's attempt to use that to absorb chakra (or so he thought)

Hashirama had no way of knowing about Nagato (Pain's) Jutsu that allowed control of someone else via those rods. I doubt Pain could have managed to hold Hashirama (he couldnt even hold Naruto) but Madara's chakra is much more powerful than Pain's own...and at full strength + Senju power, not even Hashirama could resist.

Easy fix is for the dumbass Naruto or Sai to remove the rods from his back.
Naruto actually resisted Pain's chakra cos Kyuubi intervened not cos Pain's chakra is weaker or whatever, Hashirama wasn't referring to his rods cos he thought they're mere fighting weapons which weren't hurting him actually.

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