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Liftitupo:
You actually deserved what you got earlier. As a matter of fact, he is not moved by your words. Personally I begged him not to release powerful evidences of failed Jethro who keeps attacking everyone. It is true, many people talked to him about her. And after reading chats and emails from those people and what he planned to release in a new thread, the lady will bury her head in shame. But I waved in. I just pray the woman minds her business because I too realised no one actually trained successfully with her. Everything is lies. He really does not need validations because those who know him, know him. If you can read, if you say you have been there, you will understand. I am sure you are just telling lies. You are just here to destroy. It is becoming a gang.

Let me tell you one thing. Pistotita told me what he is after, and I saw it that he is very close to achieving it. I don't understand why he actually is still helping people. I cannot read offensive area. Infact, you got a very good reply. Look at someone who is asking for help, and read his tone. I had a good laugh after reading his response. I laughed so hard.

One area I told him was that a proper check at all his critics, he actually moved the conversation in a way you all actually respect him. You all acknowledge his teachings. Even you have just validated him. Anyone who can think knows that everything here is accurate. To me, you are just one of the trouble makers who has been there and will not leave the low level.

I know that many people follow him. So many have gained. If you use any seed he recommends, you are just on the right way. Many people have changed the kind of seeds they buy because of this thread.

You should be ready to take good care of yourself because you are the one who will be depressed if he starts with you. If you do not like his approach, why keep reading. Has he asked you for money? Did any member of your family or friends accused him of collecting money from you? A man who publicly slammed your money in your faces while others are begging. In fact, you talk nonsense with him, he refunds you fast if you ask him for seeds or anything. He doesn't waste time. I know him for that.

Please, shut him up by showing you have the financial capacity to learn 40 cucumber per plant. If you cannot, leave this thread. You are just embarrassing yourself.

Respect to Pistotita. I respect that man.

Pistotita with another username.

Pistotita:
Keep your relaxation to yourself. You need it more. Learn to guard what you post. Let your brain be faster than your fingers. When you are hit back is when you always say relax. That's the typical Nigerian. If the so called elder is prospering, the words from such will be recommendation, and not attacking missiles. But the words of your so called elder are foo.lishn.ess. Your mentor and elder is a failed farmer who will be old in that miserable village if a drastic step is not taking. But failure is not bad. It happens to everyone. But when the so called elder has become a nu.is.ance attacking anything that seems to hinder people paying N30,000 for training, then, the so called us.e.less elder has a big issue with me. And the u.seles.s elder will get the reward served well.

Obviously, you have disqualified yourself working with me. Lol. When you really get close to me, you will know who I am. Those close to me are even laughing hard at your comments. I am sure my friend close to the border of Cameroon will laugh seriously at this one cos after knowing me well,....Hmmm I can imagine that laugh we had just last week. Immature people like making assumptions of the personalities of people they don't know. It shows me you are very young. It's good that you really know what you say before you approach me. While you are doing "busy body" taking sides with useless mentors and trainers, very few who are like you are working with me, and brainstorming how identified challenges and difficulties can be removed. Brilliant minds are networking. They saw the truths and problems I highlighted are real, and they are joining in solving them.

I received a whatsapp message from a brilliant mind earlier this morning. The chemical and mathematically skill of the brother is nice. Infact, he corrected me, and I never paid attention to that aspect. How I missed it, I didn't know initially, but I realised that it was a laboratory in Nigeria which I took one of my samples to that confused me. And that error stayed with me a very long time. Not until this guy pointed it out. That kind of mind, I want to work with, and not cutlass and hoes mind. I don't need Rank Xerox mind around me. So, keep to yourself. lol.

I see that you are a young fellow with your style; therefore, I pardon you. If you need to really go higher than you imagine in life, get out of your comfort zone. Don't ever criticize anyhow. Don't ever fight the battles of your mentors, and never pick sides. Stay neutral. I repeat, stay neutral, and learn. May God make your hustle prosperous. Amen!

I have never spoken nor chatted with Jethro before. Just been reading some threads she CONTRIBUTED in over the years.

Am not interested in your business. NEVER

I have been growing cukes commercially since September 2014. Not a Bae. May be want to add some crops.

Never bought nor sold e-book, training.

STOP being rude bro.
Courtesy pays sir.

Why disguise? What happened your nairaland username FLUENTINFOR

Have no problem with you but you might not have right intent for being here.

I rest my case

Bye

No one is against your farm sir! Okoroemeka has never organized a training p. Before Neither me. So relax.
your behavior here makes me magine dealing with you real life.
Enjoy sir.

okoroemeka:
maybe your calculations can be wrong how can a tomato plant produce #75-150 naira worth of tomatoes through it's life span,its too small,I think it should be higher than that,i can show you now a pepper plant I personally harvested that yielded half painter yesterday,mind you full painter of fresh pepper is sold #1300 naria,so that one harvest is roughly #600 naira from one pepper plant,we will harvest again Wednesday and I will keep accurate weight and average yield per plant and check what's the price in the market ,it could be impossible to keep the whole record of a pepper farm because they last so long,you can get tried of keeping record.

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jethro2:
I have followed your thread keenly and observed you make a lot of noise for a practising farmer.

No doubt you have practises some of what you write about but believe me several of your postulations are not true

Only a novice will believe you are taking a holiday from a business that fetches you that billion.

In your word "veggie blood money"

Yet you sold off the blood money maker, the green house.
You took holiday from the ATM business

Who does that?
Who.believe that?

You started a farm
You invested so much
The project failed

You sold off the materials to recover your money
You become an agric consultants
You are here looking for people to experiments with as labourers in the guise of you assisting them

Even at that you bashed them at will

They send you private messages cause they see you as an expert a professional but you come here deriding them.

Right on this thread you have proposed so many suggestions of how you want to help people.

You keep coming up with one strategy or the other

What they did not actually realise is that you are not helping them but you want to use them to practise what you have learnt after your failed agribusiness project

I honestly wish people could see you for whom you are


Have you ever heard of empty barrels making the loudest noise?

That's whom you are


And by the way..
Why did you deactivate the fluentifor account to become pisitota?

Do have a lovely day

Never ignore the advice of the elderly

Pistotita:
The only point I will answer you is that I am travelling abroad to really rest. Hope you read my thread from the beginning. I am happy to know you are following me bumper to bumper. Learning secretly, but criticizing publicly.

From my observation, it is extremely hard to teach farmers. It's why you aren't getting it right. Many people reach out to me when they get hooked. Someone said he practises what I write in regards to fertilization. And I told him to send me his formular. He send me Haifa page. I laughed. And then, I interpreted what was written online and where he missed it. He had a good laugh too. The next time he wrote me, he started praying for me.

Oga, do you want me to publish prayers in my email here? You cannot interprete my thread. That's your challenge. And you did not for a day contact me to ask me questions yet you are criticising me. Please, don't ever contact me cos I see you are full of problems. Better you stay off, and dont injure yourself. All issues you raised have been answered if you are smart. I don't know you, and I don't want to. You should mind your business in your threads. And buying greenhouses is no problem for me anytime. When I return, enough will be bought. As a matter of fact, I am setting up one or two for interns. Only I know why I sold. And the people who bought know why they bought. If you are smart, you should ask yourself why I can easily sell out greenhouses in an environment people don't want to buy. Have you not been reading about sellers who advertise here for many months, or even years? Smartness is good. Foolis.hness exposes one, and it is so embarrassing. The funny thing is that foo.lish people are too bold and they just expose themselves, showing their ignorancy and weaknesses, a s they still dont know. They just wonder why they are not making it. At the end they return to pastors and Imams. When yhat fails, they stsrt attacking succesful people. Just pray you don't fall sick, or get what is beyond you.

If you are one of those after me with spams, hacks, stop it, or your days are numbered. I have a superb security which anyone of you cannot penetrate. You should be careful who you attack. I am not the kind. If you force me, you will not like what you will get. And if you stylishly send someone to understudy me,....the more you look, the less you see. I am nasty with attacks. Stay clear off my threads. I have warned you enough. The next time you write rubbish on my thread, I will make sure you get what you really deserve. I have warned you. My moniker is here to stay permanently. Your hacks and spams cannot move me again. And I will dish you all what you deserve publicly here. All manipulators here on nairaland will be dealt with. Just say off my posts if you love yourself; else, you will injure yourself..

The main area you lack is marketing. If you really know marketing, and you enter it, you will be ashamed of all you have been writing. If you don't desist from attacking me, I will start publishing monikers of the so called people who trained in that your bush, but still retrained themselves. I don't attack people, but if you force me, my attack is dangerous. Like I said, I don't know you, I don't want to know you, and I don't pray to know you. And I will go to all your threads and start rubbishing your errors and mistakes which people think are good farming practices. Stay clear off me. You are warned.

And I hope you read testimonies on my thread. When I preach micro nutrients and many other foliar sprays instead of the rubbish sold by marketers who are attacking me, they said I am a liar. See, big boys and ladies in farming who can afford and have tested my procedures are testifying to them. You read the last one. Even people who started many years after you are now doing very well. While you are here criticizing, young two young graduates and many more got burpless seeds to tap into the opportunity. I have been assisting for the past 3 months selling products for these people. And they are smiling. They are just lucky cos I am not in the game now. I don't sell for people, and those who know me well are even surprised and shocked. But what can I do? When my contacts are suffering. When people like you cannot give them quality and be consistent. I hope you read the section I wrote, it will be for a year. Also, the person who is supervising the interns was even not happy that I am releasing these links. He told me himself that he was wary about it, but he asked me how to market. I Gave Him tips. When he got the market for foreign cucumber, he ran back to me. You are funny. If I tell you the number of people that have seen the secret, you will bend your head in shame.

Look, instead of you to sit down, return to the drawing board, and learn, you are attacking. Continue staying in that your bush when you are capable of learning modern methods, and continue relying on N30,000 from your trainings. I am not like that. I can learn from anyone.

Someone sent me the picture of one miserable greenhouse you constructed. Damn! How could you use sacks to cover a greenhouse? Are you sure you are ok? And you published that rub.bis.h online? Are you that poor mentally and financially? Well, I pity people patronizing you. And your ebook, I pity those who buy it. If tomato and pepper is what you preach there, but you have not got to the stage that you cannot see clearly the real deal in these crops, what the he.ck did you print in that ebook? And "mu.m.us" buy it?

If you don't know about modern veggie farming, return to cocoyam and cassava. I pity people who even train under you. I don't understand how they open their eyes with what you write, and still think they can learn. I don't sell books. I work with brains. I have warned you enough. That you are miserable and cannot breakthrough does not mean someone else is not doing well. And you cannot use force or "brain" on me to show you the way. If you want to get it, you must be smart enough to decode the gems in this thread. If you cannot identify them, that's the reason you are where you are. You are farming vegetables and staying in a far long distance to where people buy them. Which kind of approach is that? After all, you have locked yourself in a corner where marketers will exploit you, and you are forced to go to open market to sell to common people. If you are wise, the solution to your challenges are in this post. You better stay in your bush and mind your business. While it may look nasty, if you don't allow your emotions get over you, the solutions are embedded in this post. I feel sorry that you are lost in the game. But just open your eyes and mind to this post. But if you return to make unnecessary noise, you will be shocked what you will get. I don't brag, but if you know how much people pay me this year to get them in my tomato program, just one individual's payment will buy all the tomato ebook sales you are selling. That is if you even cross 5 digits, not to talk of 6 or 7. And I didn't even want to do the program this year. lol..

Keep showing your flaws thinking you are attacking me. You are only destroying your own business. Training sales is down, right? You better step up your game.

While you ask them pay you on your farms, I am asking them to come learn, and I pay them. Can you see the difference? If veggie is not making cash for me, why will I put in my money again? Can you ever open farms for interns? Is it not training in the bush you do?

Readers, please let's ignore this one who is only after collecting training money from the bush. Lets just ignore the rants. This one is not humble enough to ask for help publicly, but hoping I am going to be forced to a situation I will throw open public invitation for excursion to my place so they can come steal ideas. Even I do it, they cant get it. Its about what is inside the brain, and not looking for where to become Ranx Xerox copying people about....lol. If you think I will publish details of my sales, my farms, my marketing moves, etc. to prove you wrong, you are still going on a long journey. So, buckle up with all your energy to attack me. You are getting no access to me, my interns, and to my farm.

Please, ignore this one.

Why do you bash people with ease sir?
From contributors in your thread to moderators.

I appreciate your theoretical contributions but agriculture is a practical thing.

Where is the 40 cucumber per plant? Etc.

You are traveling abroad yet your boys will report to you weekly.

If it's easy as you postulate I don't think you would have time for nairaland.

RESPECT man

okoroemeka:
maybe your calculations can be wrong how can a tomato plant produce #75-150 naira worth of tomatoes through it's life span,its too small,I think it should be higher than that,i can show you now a pepper plant I personally harvested that yielded half painter yesterday,mind you full painter of fresh pepper is sold #1300 naria,so that one harvest is roughly #600 naira from one pepper plant,we will harvest again Wednesday and I will keep accurate weight and average yield per plant and check what's the price in the market ,it could be impossible to keep the whole record of a pepper farm because they last so long,you can get tried of keeping record.

How do you plan irrigating this dry season?

raoladngr:
also what about hot pepper vs bell pepper

Hot pepper will always beat bell peppers due to large market demand. Bell pepper has a very limited use and demand. Demand defines profitability. I think bell peppers are disease prone too compared to hot pepper.

okoroemeka:
if it's hybrid pepper avenir F1,I will use this cultivar as a template because we have farmed , harvested and kept records of the proceed,3000 pepper will take 4 plots of land and at normal production will see 15-20 bags of vital feed bag(25 kg) every 4-5 days,for me harvesting the ripe fruits is the hardest work in pepper ,we are selling a 25kg bag 6-7,000k now pepper is still scarce.if you have a well managed healthy 3000 hybrid pepper crops you will raking in more than #100,000k every week minus expenses.and it can continue to yield for 4-5 months commercial production.

Thank you sir. But that harvesting part ee

okoroemeka:
of which crop??

Pepper sir

okoroemeka:
cucumbers are fast maturing crops,we have done a Murano farm that was harvested at 38 days,cukes will use small piece of land to give good financial return,it's fast maturing but dies equally faster.pepper on the other hand needs bigger size of land to give good financial return,it's slow to maturity 70-90 days,but it will be harvested for a longer period and it's more easier to manage than cucumbers,if I was given a choice between the two,I will still choose the two of them,pepper will be for long term projects,while cucumbers will be quick money spinner to support the pepper.

Thanks boss. How many bags is obtainable from 3000 stands every four days??

Reading through this and other threads and seeing array of comments on hot pepper farming prompted me ask gurus specially @okoroemeka

What's your over all analytic verdict on cucumber vs hot pepper farming?

okoroemeka:
it depends on the variety that commands premium prices in your area,some location prefer the greenish variety,light greenish,whitish yellow or white with green stripes,but I have a strong suspicion that the white/greenish stripe type found commoly during the dry season will yield more because it seems to survive and remain productive through the dry condition,I can't place the name of the variety but it must be one of this four varieties,(1)Bello,(2)djamba(3)kotobi(4)yallo.

OK sir

@Boss Okoroemeka , which variety or varieties of garden egg can you recommend in terms of productivity SIR?

okoroemeka:
from actual farms we have done with those two wonderful crops I will say a good pepper variety will beat garden egg(ge) hands down on profitability,one reason is that when rain stops managing a GE farm get tougher due to increased fruit borer attacks and red spider mite,also the increased heat will make sure that futher production is surpressed due to flower abortions,but pepper on the other hand enjoys diverse weather and thrives in the hot dry season,so you will harvest pepper more because it's a perennial crop,I have seen a lady farmer harvest a pepper farm for more than 2 years,so you see a well managed pepper farm I suspect will beat most veggies due to the long periods it's usually harvested.we have once had five pepper plants we used as pilots ,they fruited for 3 years.

You nailed it sir. Thanks

Boss Okoroemeka, what's your verdict on hot pepper vs garden egg in terms of profitability??

For southern Nigeria, I think cucumber and pepper, mostly red pepper will command large market and profit.

Produce watermelon, in the south and you will smile.

Market also determine the profitability of any crop grown.

Watermelon, red pepper and cucumber will always have huge market due to consumption rate.

Lettuce, eggplant, broccoli, green beans, green pepper etc have low market demand.

okoroemeka:
well,we have not harvested green beans before,not that we have not tried but for a crop that 1kg is #400-500 naira it will definitely be profitable,if you consider the tight spacing and the no of plants that can be squeezed into 1 plot,I think a 3 day harvest interval of 20-25 kg is possible,then if you scale it up to around 15-20 times it will be harvested you will agree with me that the end result will be interesting.and for okra,we don't have to wait too long because we have it on the field now and time will tell.

I tried green beans this season and it did not do that well. Low yield because of shortness/dwarf nature of it. I think I prefer pole variety. It will do well at least 1kg per plant

DeLaRue:
From day of transplant, our cabbages are ready between 68 and 72 days. A lot depends on variety.

Just like cucumber, you can make money on cabbages. If you have 10, 000 cabbages on an acre, that could give you betweem N1.2 million or more in just over 2 months. If you're organised, you can easily have up to 25,000 plants at different stages of maturity at any given time.

Growing cucumber at that sort of scale is a major challenge. Think of the bamboo palaver alone, & most importantly, the amount of work required to prepare the land before planting. With cabbage special land preparation is not necessary. It's more rugged & will generally grow in most types of land.

However, I find cabbage to be highly labour intensive. Because of its weight, harvesting, moving it to the packing area, packing in giant bags and even loading into vehicles require a lot of heavy physical work. Cucumber doesn't have these challenges. One man can handle all the work in a small scale cucumber farm & still be bringing in money.

Cucumber is easier, but if you have the manpower, knowledge, and resources, with cabbage, you will laugh to the bank & have little or no competition in your local area. Market women will just be rushing your super fresh cabbage.

How much did you sell a bag and how many cabbage heads inside sir?

okoroemeka:
big sizes 25-30 per bag,small size 30-35 per bag.,one bag is ₦10,000k now,at our area.

Another downside of growing cabbage is that it takes approximately 120+ days to mature and you only harvest once Cucumber is money spinner. Mehn anything can grow in the south, onions, carrots etc

DeLaRue:
Cabbage seedlings in the net house before transplanting. There's about 6000 seedlings in that photograph.

This nursery net house looks Kenyan. Is this available in Nigeria?

DeLaRue:
One of our cabbage croppings. Picture below.

When we first harvested and started selling in our city, the market people couldn't believe the cabbage was grown locally.

We would harvest in the morning & by 11am, it was already in the market. The ones from the north simply couldn't compete on freshness & taste. We were selling N1000 per bag more than the ones from the North, yet we always sold out.

A lot of things we think cant grow in the South actually do, and if you chose your time cleverly, you'll do very well.

That said, the people in Jo's can probably plant cabbage all year round, whereas, in the south, it is challenging to grow cabbage successfully outside the rainy season.

How much did you sell per bag? And how many cabbage heads inside sir??

@agricguru okoroemeka. How much is a bag cabbage sir? Planning to buy for an event

From my experience, if manure stays too long it looses its potency. Fresh manure does the magic but has a burning effect. For cabbage, that wan na 30% chance of success if not well managed due to bolting and disease.

okoroemeka:
well surprises will never end,a new customer came to our farm 2 days ago looking for cucumbers,we had a deal and she has bought the rights to all the cukes we will harvest from our new farm at #4k a bag.

Kudos senior man

@boss okoroemeka. What's the current price of cu999 bag in your area?

How many kg per plant? For dwarf beans? Not even how many kg per plot OK continue

Good work @Pistotita Can I have your number sir?

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Good work sir Okoroemeka. Please how good is pig dung manure compared to poultry?

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