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kandiikane:
Can I not appreciate a woman with out been labelled a lesbian?

But I will answer you question I have bent slightly before.

you're slightly creepy, and that's putting it nicely.

have you hooked up with ogaga4luv yet?

but i'd consider you more dangerous than him though.

no offence- just my opinion.

carry on.

drunk, no doubt.

hmm.

wbb though still not enough info.

but i agree prayer can never be overemphasized and discretion is the better part of valour.

can we have a current photo of fashanu.

bayosgirl:
Nah, I don't want to cut my flesh.

thought you said you loved him.

so you can still hold back in some areas?

and in what way does a tattoo not cut your flesh?

anyway, you can tattoo one of the various yoruba deities like sango, etc. Just be sure to add the name so people can know who it is.





one has to wonder if the man would like to see you tattoo something "yoruba " on yourself?

Can you explain more.

What happened exactly.

Tribal marks, not tattoos.

prefers555

good write up.

males are under more mental and emotional pressure, than females.

often times the males themselves arent aware of the extent of it.

good write up @ poster but generally, i find it extremely hard to believe the only dateable or marriageable men in this world are nigerian ones.

i mean, come on.

or is it that they're just the easiest to "get".

is one of them going to be drugged for the wedding cos i dont get it.

Katsumoto:
I have never quoted from Wiki; besides one will get the list from someone. All through this debate or any other debate, I haven't tried to pass off another's work as mine. I have quoted all sources.

well, the list matches the one on wiki, and the one on wiki quoted ooni.com. I thought you were quoting wiki.



matters like these really cant be confined to one [or more] page/s on a general internet forum.

Katsumoto:
Was Sango, the god of thunder and lightning, not an Alaafin? Ogun was the first Ooni after Oduduwa. This is the list of the 38 Oonis since Oduduwa: Ogun, Osangangan, Obamakin, Ogbogbodirin, Obalufon, Oronmiyan, Ayetise, Lajamisan, Lajodogun, Lafogido, Odidimode Regbesin, Aworokolokun, Ekun, Ajimuda, Gboo-Nijio, Okinlajosin, Adegbalu, Osinkola, Ogbooru, Giesi, Luwoo, Lumobi, Agbedegbede, Ojee-Lokunbirin, Lagunja, Larunka, Ademilu, Omogbogbo, Ajila-Oorun, Adejinle, Olojo, Okiti, Lugbade, Aribiwoso, Osinlade, Adagba, Ojigidiri, Akinmoyero, Gbanlare, Gbegbaaja, Wunmonije, Adegunle Abewelo, Degbinsokun, Oranyigba, Derin Ologbenla, Adelekan Olubuse I, Adekola, Ademiluyi Ajagun, Adesoji Aderemi, and Sijuade Olubuse II.

Please verify this list from any credible source.

In Yoruba mythology, Ogun was the son of Obatala and Oduduwa. He fought and won many battles and was rewarded with the town of Ire. There is a shrine for Ogun at Ire (Ekiti). You have to understand that many of the Yoruba gods and deities were actually human at some point and were deified by worshippers later on.

The information I am presenting is from several books; most of which I have listed already. If you have any source which counters any of these, I am happy to read.

your list is from wiki, and was gotten from ooni.com.

nothing scholarly there.

as per mythology, most of the yoruba legendary figures are twofold- with both a mythological portion and an actual telling of events.

for example, you have oduduwa sending a chicken to spread earth all over the ground- that clearly is mythology aka symbolism, and you'd have to know what the legend is really trying to say. ie what the symbols mean.


not sure if i'm making myself clear.

but in this discussion, we're looking at the factual aspects of what ogun stands for [btw this deity is worshipped in many parts of the west african coast], which are war, metal working, hunting, etc. Not the myths.

clearly, ogun has to do with defence, food production [ from farming instruments made by blacksmiths], etc.

as opposed to the administrative functions of the  non-deified oduduwa sons.

well, true i'm not sure what there is to pray about, really.

^^oduduwa's descendants were kings and rulers. ie involved in administration.

ogun is the patron god of blacksmiths, iron working and war. ie skilled labour and weaponry.

obviously, big difference.

not really as ambiguous as it would seem.

Looks more like her sister.

Pretty girl though.

Nice photo of genny as well.

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Katsumoto

i'm just reading through the thread and noticed another misconception.

Ogun was not a son of oduduwa.

^And do you know of any empire that didnt collapse in the whole of africa during, before or after that period of time?

^^ we're on different pages.



ibadan was a war outpost of the oyo empire which grew into a city due to the influx of war refugees who were fleeing the fulani advance in the north, as well as interethnic fighting.

after the oyo empire fell, ibadan, which had a lot of control over the trade routes between lagos, ijebu and other northward routes, became a major player in the civil wars that ravaged the southwest.

that's it in a nutshell because the actual history is much longer and ideally should take up lots of pages since these things arent black and white like that.


suffice it to say, any collapse of any kingdom usually results in various struggles for supremacy by the different groups that make up that kingdom.

civil wars, etc.

however, if you have any links to your info, kindly share .

Katsumoto:
But that doesn't mean there wasn't an Ibadan Empire. That everyone stopped paying tribute to Oyo doesn't preclude the rise of another powerhouse. For much of the 19th Century, the Egba and Ijebu assumed that Ibadan would attack them but fortunately for them, Ibadan was concerned firstly with the the Fulani and then secondly with Ekiti and Ijesha under Ogedengbe Agbogungboro in the Kiriji wars.

they were all fighting over control of the slave and trade routes.

Ibadan stopped the fulani advance, which was most likely the reason why the camp was created in the first place.
(ie to deter or fight the fulani).

i'll look into your posts but to the best of my knowledge, ibadan did not necessarily succeed oyo.

if a victor had emerged from the kiriji or ekitiparapo wars perhaps, oyo might not have been the last yoruba empire. Or might have retained its position as the leading one. But the war was fought to a standstill and no clear victor or vanquished emerged from all the interethnic fighting.

Ibadan sacked many Ado communities in 1873 and made a huge haul of prisoners of war and other captives who eventually settled in Iwo, Ibadan and some Remo towns such as Iperu and Makun Sagamu. However, Ado communities especially the mother town offset part of their losses with a large number of slaves and prisoners of war from Owo, Ose and Akoko.

http://ado.ekiti.com/

Katsumoto:
There was an Ibadan empire as far as eminent Yoruba historians are concerned. The issue most people have with that is because Ibadan wasn't ruled by royal blood. But it was an empire for several reasons
1. It didn't take instructions from anyone
2. It didn't pay tributes to anyone
3. It waged war to achieve its own objectives
4. A city or empire can be founded at any time. Empires rise and fall all the time
5. After the defeat of Kurunmi, Oyo did not stand up to Ibadan again.

The rise of Ibadan after the fall of Oyo is also captured in the following books:
1. J.F. Ade Ajayi and R. Smith: Yoruba Warfare
2. Samuel Johnson: History of the Yorubas

^^ what you're describing is the collapse of the oyo empire.

it wasnt only ibadan that got semi-autonomy then. Many other kingdoms and areas did as well.

eg abeokuta, dahomey, etc all stopped paying tribute as soon as they saw oyo had been weakened.

Ibadan came into existence when bands of Yoruba renegades began settling in the area towards the end of the 18 th century, attracted by its strategic location between the forests and the plains. As the community of settlers began to increase in numbers, it spread in area as well. By the end of 1829 the Yoruba military had set up a major base in Ibadan. It expanded even further when refugees began arriving in large numbers from northern Oyo following raids by Fulani warriors.

http://fibsu.org/HomeHistoryofIbadan.htm


people displaced by the fulani wars and internal attacks, fled to ibadan.

there was no ibadan empire (per se) because the city itself was founded ( or became strategically important) in the 19th century.

it used to be a war camp and besides, the original inhabitants were egba people who then moved (or were forced to move) further south.

till today, there's still some acrimony between the two sides.

oyo had standing armies in different areas and ibadan was one of then- possibly the most principal.

will look into all this later.

Dumber and dumber threads.