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Courz:
I am not interested in what Judaism followers believe. Judaism is against Jesus. The more reason why this discussion is not needed. You're not a Christian. There's no need for this discussion. Please, if this thread doesn't resonate with you at all, there is no need for further discussion.

This is Nairaland ,a public forum,and not your personal blog and so you can't tell anyone what to respond to.

As long as they don't insult you or derail the thread, you can't bar anyone.

And besides you're not the only one reading my comments. It's not for you alone. Others are also reading yours too.

However, good day and stop commenting on the thread of others if you don't want people to respond to yours.

[quote author=Courz post=129827307]It is not every NDE experience that you listen to especially if they are not in line with the Bible. You need the Spirit of discernment which is only through the Holy Spirit and you must ask for it. You sound like you're not a Christian. The NDE community has been penetrated by New age believers and others to discredit the genuine ones. There was one I saw where the Narrator was saying that she saw someone who wasn't Born again in Heaven. Now as a Christian, you're supposed to know immediately that this is a Lie because Jesus made It very clear that you must be Born again to see the Kingdom of God. Satan knows that Near Death Experiences bring people closer to Almighty God and Jesus and make them change for good. So, he has sent people to distort the community and make people have disbelief in the genuine ones. Remember Satan Copies Jesus and God and creates counterfeits. I have seen an NDE where the narrator just starts talking about ascending and consciousness. Immediately I knew that's New Age belief and not Biblical. This thread is for Christians. If you're not one, kindly ignore the thread. There are NDE of those who were Atheists, New Agers, Muslims, Satanists and other religions that made them give Their life to Christ.

I will only post genuine ones that align with the Bible. Any NDE that doesn't glorify God and Jesus or speak about them, I will not post.

If you focus only on information which supports what you want to believe and hear and ignore the ones which don't,then it only means one thing you don't want to know the truth or not willing to.

And no one can force you to know the truth.

Courz:
Of course the Bible gave a glimpse of Life after Death. That's the essence of a Near Death Experience. The story Jesus gave of Life after Death of Lazarus and the Rich Man is proof that NDEs are real.

As for how Jesus looks like, what does it matter? From the experiences I have read, Jesus shows himself in different ways. The NDEs I've watched, some didn't see his face but felt someone walking behind them as they were navigating Hell and they knew immediately that it was Jesus. Some saw nothing but a bright light around the face area with him dressed in peach coloued robs. Different people had different experiences in that aspect but had similar experiences in most aspects and their messages are always the same, which is, Come To Jesus!

What is the most important thing is their message. Is the message Biblical?

The Lazarus story is not what you think. It was used to illustrate something. It never happened. It was a parable and parables are not to be interpreted literally.

Those who practice Judaism know better than you Christians who don't understand the story.

Modified. Please answer this questions?

Why are people during NDE meeting with artists impression of Jesus as a white man?

Are there pictures of Jesus in the Bible to confirm if people are meeting with the real Jesus during NDE?

Courz:
The message of all Genuine Near Death Experiences to Heaven and to Hell Survivors that I have listened to is;

Have a Personal relationship with Jesus. It is this relationship that will save you. Your attachment to any Religious leader will not save you. This is not the time to focus your attention and energy on any Man of God or religious leader. Your attention is supposed to be on Jesus. NDE survivors who went to heaven were made to understand that only those who have a relationship with Jesus will go to Heaven.


Treat people the same way you want to be treated. Treat less privileged people with respect and compassion. This is one of the basis upon which you will be judged by Jesus as stated in the Bible.

In Africa, our people have been having NDE experiences before the coming of Christianity .

And what they experienced then, and even now, were different from the ones talking about heaven and hell .


Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying people don't have those experiences in your op. But it's caused by something you're not aware of yet .They aren't meeting any real Jesus or going to a real "heaven or hell".

The so called Jesus represents "something" entirely unknown ( you can called it a being or the Divine if you like) making its appearance know to the experiencer using an image which they're familiar and comfortable with so the experience doesn't shock them.

When adherents of other religion have an NDE, they also get to meet with highly respected religious personages associated with their own religion. For instance those who follow ATR get to meet their ancestors, not Jesus ,and visit a place where they're asked to return back as it's not yet time for them to leave the earth. And they return.

What of atheist or those without a religion who claim to have met Jesus?Those ones are drawn into experiencing during NDE what people around them strongly belief in or what they have believed before. If it's Christianity , then they met Jesus, but not a real one , if Hinduism,then Krishna or any other being associated with that religion.

So in all, the experience of consciousness leaving the body during NDE is real, but most of the things people experienced during
that period are both real/illusion at the same time. It's so because, the brain at this time is no longer functioning as normal to modulate the experience . So one experience both the real and unreal outside the body.

Scientists are still trying to understand the experience , but unfortunately they're very very far from that. So the public who depend completely on them for truth about the human being will have to wait maybe endlessly to know the truth.

But ,believe me ,NDE has nothing to do with your religion, Christianity. It doesn't validate it as you think.

Courz:
It is not every NDE experience that you listen to especially if they are not in line with the Bible. You need the Spirit of discernment which is only through the Holy Spirit and you must ask for it. You sound like you're not a Christian. The NDE community has been penetrated by New age believers and others to discredit the genuine ones. There was one I saw where the Narrator was saying that she saw someone who wasn't Born again in Heaven. Now as a Christian, you're supposed to know immediately that this is a Lie because Jesus made It very clear that you must be Born again to see the Kingdom of God. Satan knows that Near Death Experiences bring people closer to Almighty God and Jesus and make them change for good. So, he has sent people to distort the community and make people have disbelief in the genuine ones. Remember Satan Copies Jesus and God and creates counterfeits. I have seen an NDE where the narrator just starts talking about ascending and consciousness. Immediately I knew that's New Age belief and not Biblical. This thread is for Christians. If you're not one, kindly ignore the thread. There are NDE of those who were Atheists, New Agers, Muslims, Satanists and other religions that made them give Their life to Christ.

I will only post genuine ones that align with the Bible. Any NDE that doesn't glorify God and Jesus or speak about them, I will not post.

But the Bible didn't teach NDE experience.

Moreover, how come the description of Jesus seen by these people matches the ones depicted in movies and artworks? There's no picture of Jesus in the Bible. Nobody knows exactly how he looks like.

So, I think if anyone were to see a Jesus in NDE ,it shouldn't be the ones portrayed in movies as white man. Yes

Something is wrong. Don't you think?

Courz:
Yes I have seen those ones. I mentioned that in my earlier comment. There are NDE experiences of Heaven as well. I made this thread to simply show that Hell exists and that Ignorance is no excuse.

Then why are you ignoring the ones which doesn't support your heaven and hell narrative?

Like this one below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6DKsqTs9M8?si=LLGWJFLDe62Ua5pF

Courz:
In the Lazarus and the Rich Man by Jesus, the Rich Man was begging for drop of water to quench his thirst. This was a very common theme in Near Death Experiences. The Ex gang member in the Op said his throat felt as if he hasn't drank water for many months. A Ugandan lady who was a Former sorceress also said the same thing when she went to Hell. I will post her video. Her experience gave her PTSD just like the man in the Op.

Be aware that we also have reports of those who had NDE ,but with experiences that has nothing that with hell .

Don't tell me you haven't seen those ones.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6DKsqTs9M8?si=LLGWJFLDe62Ua5pF

FRANCISTOWN:
Nwanne! I don vex. Baba, I modified your comment. I replied to it and I modified the response. I did all that. I modified everybody's comments on this thread and on this forum
So what are you going to do about it?

I'm not the mentally disturbed one who didn't know the difference between Hawkings and Dawkins. A graduate of citadel of foolishness who said Hawkings was the first to use the phrase "Babies are born atheists".

Even if you were raised by bedbugs. This is 21st century. Get your facts right before you type, especially when there is no established connection between your brain and your fingers.

Yes yes yes. I intentionally omitted your comments. Now wetin your papa wan do?

Dumb mofo. The idiot didn't know the difference between Hawkings and Dawkins.

It would had been better if your parents invested your tuition fees into pig raising.

. Then why were you mocking yourself on the meaning of the word ,"anyone" ?

This is the question you have refused to answer because it will expose you for who you're. .

Or you don't know the difference between anyone or anything In my original comment before you edited it and ran mad insulting yourself.

You want to lie it was an ommision on your part. Why "omit" it?

The trail ( the dictionary definition) you left behind is the evidence you edited my comment deliberately , if not, it's not supposed to be there at all.


. As for , Hawking's or Dawkins, not spelling someone"s name correctly is not something any intelligent adult should make an issue of, . I haven't committed any grammatical blunder .It's just spelling mistake or not being sure of the correct spelling., it's a typo . I'm sure you don't know what a typo is. Budda noticed it and corrected me graciously without making an issue out of it because really, there's nothing to it.

But because you're very pained ,petty minded and pendantic you choose to focus on that to escape your inability to provide evidence for your very outlandish claim about babies,and also to cover for your shameful display here.

You who don't know the difference between anyone and anything. You thought they were the same hence you brought a definition for "anyone"

I'm finally done with you. You can continue talking to yourself. .

Explain why you were mocking yourself for not knowing the meaning of the
word, ", anyone" or shut up and own up to your deception you mannerless kid without home training. Someone on this same thread said so about you .So you're well known crazy head on Nairaland. I blame myself for quoting you in the first place. It won't happen again except you change your behaviour.

FRANCISTOWN:
I did everything, do you understand? I did everything. I did every single thing.
There is nothing you have on me.

I altered your comment, I deleted some, I added some, i highlighted some, i italicized some.
Intellectually, you've got nothing on me. I'm not the dumb mofo who said "Hawkings was the first to say "babies are born Atheists"".

. Show me one intellectual flaw in my posts and we are good..

You don't have nothing on me bro. The weather is nice today.

. I have shown the bolded already. Just go back and read it. The summary is that not everyone who is a non - theist is an atheist. So your claim is baby talk.

Concerning Dawkimgs, I'm not you. If I said so,I own up to the error.

Budda already spelt the name correctly ,Dawinkings. I thank him for that.

I'm not of fan of Dawkimgs. He was a very toxic person and fanatical atheist why alive . But this doesn't take away from his achievements in the sciences.

It doesn't matter whether he was the first that said so or not. What matters is thar he promoted the falsehood like you're doing here


You just brought this talk to deflect as you usually do. Face the business of proving the lie you have been brainwashed with . You have no evidence other than empty talk , insults and foolery.

FRANCISTOWN:
Are you basically mad or stupid. Or you are just unfortunate?
Sholoriburuku ni e ni?
Who dey do foolery?

Instead of accusing me of altering your comments. Didn't your dumb head think it could have been an omission or something, and I don't even understand what you are talking about?

Since you are moving mad and you want to kill yourself basically on what I don't know what you are talking about.

Okay! Whatever you are talking about, I did it. Yes I hold my chest to it.

If you said I altered your comment, Yes I did. Now what do you want to do about it?

I'm not here to win an argument. It's not like I'm getting paid.

When you were going on about how Hawkings was the first to use the phrase "Babies are born Atheists". You were just very dumb and stupid in that act. Plainly stupid.

You can't hold me ransom intellectually.

The comment you are crazy about. I'll take it down. And I'll forever taunt you for saying Hawkings was the first to use "Babies are born Atheists".

Since you've decided to be petty. Two can play this game.

You dumb head mofo.

If you couldn't paste those screenshots. You are nothing but a piece of shit.

No. It wasn't an ommision. If it was, you would have said so immediately I pointed it out to you.

You doing all of these to cover for your shame. You did that deliberately and posted a screenshot of the meaning of "anyone". to mock yourself, not me, that I don't know the meaning.
So , why denying it.?


Did you not post a screenshot defining " anyone"or you have memory problems. Go back to your comments and see it there.

It seems your head is not there at all .You posted something yourself and now denying it.
If you can't explain the reason for your insults in the image below,then you're stupid and of a very low IQ. There's nothing I said to show I don't know the meaning of the word, anyone, but you decided to display your insanity. You edited my comment to read only "anyone" initially. But here was when you replaced it. Anyone or anything are not the same indefinite pronouns
Go get cured .

FRANCISTOWN:
Okay! I take responsibility for that. The word "anything" was an error.
The error is called a Wrong Word Error in English grammar.
At the end of the day, I was the one who caught my own error and rebutted it in an inalienable manner.

You saw it then and didn't say anything on it. You didn't know it was an error then. 😂 😂

That's called error control in programming.

So what do you have on me?

. You admitted here, the "anything" was an error.

So why editing it from my reply to insult and mock yourself with the screenshot defining "anyone" ?

Was the word ,"anyone" the only thing I mentioned? I said you said "anyone or anything.Be sincere without yourself. But you can't .

You're not as smart as you think . I already have a screenshot of our conversation. If you like go and remove the dictionary definition you brought in which has exposed you as a liar.

FRANCISTOWN:
Better refresh. You are getting worked up over nothing, or better get a recommended eye glasses.

Yes, you have gone to bring it back.

But you left a trail. The reason you posted that screenshot was for what?

Was it not to mock me after you deliberately edited my comments to read only "anyone" .

You were certain I had no evidence. Now that
I provided evidence, you have gone on to edit your comment , but not without leaving a trail. I have screenshot your comments which includes that incase you want to remove it. It's late already.



I hope your friends and others following this thread are taking notes of your foolery .

Modified. You edited my comment at first to read only "anyone" If you didn't do that,then explain the reason for the screenshot explaining the meaning of that word alone. You quoted me already. So it's easy to edit it in your reply. Stop fooling yourself.

FRANCISTOWN:
Okay! I take responsibility for that. The word "anything" was an error.
The error is called a Wrong Word Error in English grammar.
At the end of the day, I was the one who caught my own error and rebutted it in an inalienable manner.

You saw it then and didn't say anything on it. You didn't know it was an error then. 😂 😂

That's called error control in programming.

So what do you have on me?

Shut up. It wasn't a mistake. The fact you stupidly edited my comment to reply me shows it wasn't.

Good day.

And continue with your baby talk with others.I can't be wasting my time discussing with someone who lacks integrity .

I'm

FRANCISTOWN:
I guess it can't be helped, It's now very obvious that you are with the single digit IQ crew.

No wonder you can't understand simple things.
I'm sorry but I can no longer engage someone who doesn't understand something as simple as pronouns.

You are a complete waste of my time.

And why did you edit my comment up there to reply me. What sort person are you are?

I said you said, "Anyone or anything" ,in my question to you.
It's clearly there and everyone can see it.But you edited it to remain "anyone". to reply me.

You just exposed your desperation to win an argument with anything SMH. You're not worth anybody's time.

FRANCISTOWN:
Babies can't be born indifferent and they can't be born neutral. Babies are born fully equipped with all the necessary senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch.

Since they are not born with any belief, they only make sense of their environment using their senses. And that's how they build their understanding right from small, a kind of believe.

When a child cries and you put a mother's nipple in the baby's mouth, at that time . The baby believes anything that comes into the mouth should quench the feeling of hunger.

To say babies are born neutral or indifferent is a total error. I might agree with "babies are born innocent".

I've told you. It's in your dictionary. I can't be sorry because you refuse to read it.


Anyone or anything that doesn't have even the littlest form of belief in the existence of deities is an atheist.

A baby is non-religious or Igtheist at best. Therefore, an atheist by proximity.

Lemme ask a question .

If you raised a child in an environment where no one mentions anything about deities. By that time the child is 20. When anyone tells him anything about God.

What will be the response of the child?


Now back to the point. If tzizi was a word and people who understand tzizi are called theists.
What will be called of people who don't understand the word "tzizi"?

•Atheists are people who do not believe in the existence of deities.
•Babies do not have the ability to believe in the existence of deities.
Therefore,
•Babies are atheists.

That is abductive reasoning in critical thinking.
It's a very intriguing topic in psychology and philosophy.

You talk to much without making sense

FRANCISTOWN:
I guess it can't be helped, It's now very obvious that you are with the single digit IQ crew.

No wonder you can't understand simple things.
I'm sorry but I can no longer engage someone who doesn't understand something as simple as pronouns.

You are a complete waste of my time.

Just look at you. What of the "anything" you mentioned?

FRANCISTOWN:
Nwanne, everyone is born an atheist.
I already gave you an explanation and this should not even be debatable topic.

I don't know why we always need to break things down to our christian brothers especially.

Atheism is anyone that doesn't have the ability to believe, not just anyone who has the ability to disbelieve. Whether as a child or as an adult.

If I said p1 = Δp + p2 , you prolly do not understand that formula or If I spoke in a foreign tongue, you simply do not understand. Your brain cannot process what it doesn't understand.

There are adults in China that if you prolly talked anything about God to 'em, they'll prolly just look at you like you are sick.
Their brain just lack the ability to understand how such things can ever work.

And I've told you that. If babies were raised in environments where they've never heard about deities. By the time they are grown, if anyone asked them about deities. They'd just go blank, the same way you'll go blank if I presented a strange formula to you.

There are no such persons anywhere in the world without a knowledge of what a god is. Knowing about something is not the same as believing in it. They must have read books , listen to stories,or watch movies where deities are depicted.

You just brought up an impossible situation to defend you false claim . There are no such persons anywhere ,not even in China.

This is the problem with defending a lie. You have to use other lies to defend it and don't know when to stop.

It's a lie that babies are born atheist. There are parallels to such lies in religion and in the business world The purpose is the same; To get people acting without thinking so they embrace an idea or product as the only one worthy of embracing or buying.

Muslims. All babies are born Muslims.

Christians. All babies are born sinners.

Atheist. All Babies are born atheists.

. The same rhetoric all of them. None of them is telling the truth.

The same way Muslims and Christians can't see the lie in such claims about babies is the same way you can't see it.

FRANCISTOWN:
I understand that animals do have some sorta believes, if you noticed the way some dogs act around their owners.

But i don't know for sure what those believes are. I'm not sure whether anyone really knows what those believes are. That's the reason I'm silent about it.

But what I'm saying is. I don't know whether animals practice atheism or not, but judging from the definition of an atheist.

An atheist is a person... And since animals are not persons. Animals can never be atheists. Maybe there's gotta be some other word for animals that practice atheism(if there's any)

But you declared on this same thread that anyone or anything that lacks belief in deities is an atheist .

Now , you want to deny it . SMH

FRANCISTOWN:
Your argument is flawed and your point is dead on arrival.
I already responded to this, so lemme avoid redundancy.

It's your own that's very flawed.
The premise upon which you based your argument is that anyone who lacks belief in deities is automatically an atheist. But that's simply not true.

We have those who don't believe in deities but are not atheist . Those ones practice other forms of spirituality. They believe in spirits, reincarnation and practice witchcraft, juju voodoo etc without acknowledging the existence of any deity. An atheist doesn't believe or practice any of those.

We also have deist who can't be regarded as theist or atheist . A deist has not accepted that religious gods exist .

So, you can see you're not making any sense with your explanations. Your atheism is founded on the two major abrahamic religion of Christianity and Islam. That's only thing you know and have been using it to arrive at conclusions that are not supported by any evidence.

There's no evidence that babies are born atheist. If that were true we would be seeing the evidence everywhere. Most people in the society would be atheist, but the reverse is the case.

In fact , the evidences that we have supports the idea that babies are born more spiritually aware than adults. By the time they start using language very well, they usually shock us with some of the things they claim to have seen or experienced. Some of them see ghosts and other disembodied entities regularly ,and also even inform us of how they have lived before in a previous life which some adults dismissed as baby talk. But not all can be dismissed as such

Some reincarnation reports given by children before the age of 6 have been confirmed to be true after investigation.

So going by the evidence ,if we're going to accept that babies are born as anything at all, we shouldn't not be looking at theist atheist , but something else, which is , they're born as spiritually aware beings.

If you insist otherwise, then please provide evidence like I just did, and not baseless explanations of, "if one is not a theist then must be atheist. Such talk is evidence of someone thinking in black and white only

[quote author=FRANCISTOWN post=129771902]The post was supposed to be for KnownUnknown but since you are here. Enchanté.

If you don't get it now, then I'm sorry. Peace and love.

Just make use of your dictionary for once and we are ait.

Atheism is simply the lack of believe in the existence of deities, period.

It doesn't say anything about why(reasons)/when you do not believe in the existence of deities. (Why you do not believe is your own cup of tea, it doesn't concern atheism. The same way why anyone would follow Jesus is not a concern of christianity)
Just don't believe in deities, that's all you need to be an atheist.

Again! Atheism is not about the reason you are an atheist. Just don't believe in the existence of deities. Then you are an atheist. Once we understand this English grammar, life is easy and sweet.

Babies do not understand the concept of deities(which is a reason atheism isn't concerned about), but as long as we can't rule out the fact that they do not believe in the existence of deities(Non-thiest) . They are simply atheists.

Atheism is what you are and not why you are what you are.

I don't know where many of you get this misinformed opinion that atheism has to be a kind of choice being made. Religious indoctrination has eaten deep into most of you. But that is not how reality operates.

Sometimes atheism is basically what you are not. And not what you are. I guess many of you don't really understand what atheism is. That's the reason you argue unnecessarily.

Lemme school you a lil bit.

In a probability event of a coin.

When a coin is tossed, There are only two possible outcomes.

It's either it's the Head or the Tail.

The outcome can only be a Tail if it is not a Head. i.e T= not H
And the outcome can only be a Head if it is not a Tail. i.e not Tail.

It's the same in digital circuits for the Truth Table NOT Gate, that uses 0 and 1, for ON and OFF respectively.

Your power outlet socket at home is either Off or On. For whatever reason your socket doesn't have power, it is off. Even if the switch is on.

Even in BOOLEAN Algebra and programming.

It is 1, when it is not 0. And it is 0, when it is not 1.

Also with one of Aristotle's Laws of Logic known as:
•The Law of Noncontradiction
Either x or not x is true and there is no other possibility. There is no third ground.

Either Thiests or Non-Thiests.

In electricity, it's either the electrons are flowing or not.

Lemme use something you can take with.
Here in naija. When there is H.E.P, whether the voltage is good or bad. We say there is light. The opposite of that is No Light.


That's how reality works. If you are not a good person, then you are a bad person. There is no middle ground.

Whether you know it's an offense or not. Once you commit and the law gets it's grip on you. You are a goner. (ignorance is not an excuse)

Using the law of Logic.

•The Law of Identity
Two entities x and y are identical if they share the same properties.

Babies do not believe in the existence of deities. Atheists do not believe in the existence of deities.

•The Law of Noncontradiction
Either x or not x is true and there is no other possibility.

Either you are a theists or Non-Thiests (atheists).
Babies are not theists. Therefore, atheists.

•The Law of the Excluded Middle
An entity x has or does not have a property P

Atheism has nothin in common with theism likewise theism doesn't have any property of atheism.

Babies show no features of theism, therefore atheism.

I just explained a concept of the Logic table in statistics. You should pay me for the free lecture.

Also I'm less concerned about your religion or "non religion". It's non' my business. It's not like my name is on your will.
guardian.

By the way. I've been an atheist prolly since when you were still being dressed up for school by your guardian.

You're obviously a kid who is not aware that the person he's talking to is someone old enough to be his grandfather. You don't know anything about me offline yet, you believe you became something, when?

You're a new atheist hence the reason for your behaviour. You will calm down very soon like others before you. It's just a matter of time. If you don't calm down then you're a fanatical atheist needing urgent treatment . A fanatic is a fanatic anywhere. . They're highly intolerant and want to eliminate others who don't share in their delusional claims . After this I'm avoiding you as I don't want to be engaging a fanatical atheist. .


Just Provide a scientific backing for your claim. That's all

All that you have up there is your own opinion. It will be a waste of time responding. They're the effects of what you have been brainwashed with.

A new born baby has not developed the level of consciousness needed to have or lack believe in anything. If you insist they have , show the science , not conjectures

I'm not interested in ,if a baby is not this then it's that. That's not scientific thinking.

BTW , You were born an American. Every baby is.

FRANCISTOWN:
Please show me and this honourable forum.

Please use Google

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! You dey mind those ones wey no know anything 😂

And you know something by regurgitating Hawking's vomit?, Babies are born atheist.


Nairaland has become a jungle no thanks to people like you who are quick to make caustic remarks about others without much provocation .

If you won't respect me when I haven't disrespected you by insulting you, then stay on your own please.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/12/atheist-baby-richard-dawkins-babies-atheism

kkins25:
What do you mean, triplechoice, when you say "babies aren't born atheist"?

I was responding to your friend's nonsensical claim that babies who are just begining to form their minds are born atheist.

I don't see what should stop him from also declaring that everyone is born an American or British. Its the same kind of reasoning

Yes, Francistown was born lacking "Nigerianese" He's not a Nigerian. His default birth status is American.
Even though he was born in Nigeria he lacked "Nigerianese" at birth. Someone who lacks"Nigerianese" is an American

If was taken immediately to America as a baby, he would have grown up to become what he was born with, an American, speaking the language effortlessly and acting true to his default birth


Unfortunately for him, he grew up in Nigeria where he was "indoctrinated" to be a Nigerian.

It's even possible that every baby in the world was born an American, but grew up in places where they became something else, Chinese, Indians, Nigerians, and so on

FRANCISTOWN:
All there is that is sure is that. Mathiastelins with six heads, the true God created you.

Exactly what a believer would say
If you're not a theist you must be atheist. Black and white thinking

Since I'm challenging your claims, the only that comes to your head is theist. SMH

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! Same estimation from different sources yet you claim injustice.
Nwanne, have you ever been to China?

what do you know about me to think I haven't or have Chinese friends.
The reboot was rejected in China since it didn't reflect the truth



Why framing the question to get people there giving you the answer you want to hear and then claim majority are of a particular belief?

FRANCISTOWN:
Just so you know, Budaatum was the one who used that phrase in this thread. I defended It because i agree to it.

Remember to take something warm before bed. Don't take coffee though and be sure to close your mouth while sleeping.

People wey go good school don understand me. Who says it's an offense to lack understanding? We are thankful for life bro.

Have a good evening.

Please take responsibility for your own actions. I have responded to Buda and that's settled between the two of us. And I just responded to your replies. Why should I not?

Just learn to respect people you engaged with. It won't take anything from you.

Up there, you were telling your friend," you don't know anything" what's that supposed to mean?

You skip your medications or smoke something?

FRANCISTOWN:
Babies can't be born indifferent and they can't be born neutral. Babies are born fully equipped with all the necessary senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch.

Since they are not born with any belief, they only make sense of their environment using their senses. And that's how they build their understanding right from small, a kind of believe.

When a child cries and you put a mother's nipple in the baby's mouth, at that time . The baby believes anything that comes into the mouth should quench the feeling of hunger.

To say babies are born neutral or indifferent is a total error. I might agree with "babies are born innocent".

I've told you. It's in your dictionary. I can't be sorry because you refuse to read it.

Anyone or anything that doesn't have even the littlest form of belief in the existence of deities is an atheist.
A baby is non-religious or Igtheist at best. Therefore, an atheist by proximity.

Lemme ask a question .

If you raised a child in an environment where no one mentions anything about deities. By that time the child is 20. When anyone tells him anything about God.

What will be the response of the child?


Now back to the point. If tzizi was a word and people who understand tzizi are called theists.
What will be called of people who don't understand the word "tzizi"?

•Atheists are people who do not believe in the existence of deities.
•Babies do not have the ability to believe in the existence of deities.
Therefore,
•Babies are atheists.

That is abductive reasoning in critical thinking.
It's a very intriguing topic in psychology and philosophy.

Babies can never be born atheist or anything else..The reason is very simple. A new born is yet to display the kind of brain activity needed to hold or lack any kind of believe.

Saying that babies are born atheist is as silly as saying that they can also be born with common sense or without it. A new born baby not developed the neural development to have or lack common. And who is that fool that would accuse a new born baby of lacking common sense or having it?

So my friend , your claim that babies are born atheist doesn't find any scientific support. .

I already told you that such talk of babies being born this or that is psychological gimmick to brainwash the gullible into accepting as true something that's not true.

Christians are claiming that babies are born sinners, while Muslims are also claiming that every baby is born a Muslim, why? The answer should be obvious to anyone who can really think with their brains.

It's the same tactics hawkings wanted to employ to get people into accepting atheism as the default position. When he came up with silly idea, some atheist even mocked him by labelling him an atheist crusader trying to convert the whole world into atheism.

You not aware of this if not you won't be here mentioning it or even trying to defend it. It's very clear to me you became an atheist just yesterday. You will learn very soon and calm down.

You unfortunately allowed yourself to be brainwashed by something that's not true and because of that can't see how you're not making sense defending it.

A brainwashed person is never aware of their brainswashing and that's a proven psychological fact. The only way to know you're not brainwashed by something is when you're not afraid or unwilling to question it.

You're not questioning what hawkings claimed but defending it because you believe he's above deception

Please understand I'm not judging you as a brainwashed, but saying that you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed .

Visit the site " Psychology Today" and learn more about what hawkings wanted to do with that very silly claim of his. This is the third time I have asked you to research it , but you're not listening. It's your cup of tea .

Good evening. I'm done with you for now.

FRANCISTOWN:
I no dey chat too much these days. Enjoy the below.

Thank you very much.But you noticed that one of the synonyms for irreligious is freethinker? How would you know if I'm that?

Are atheist or theist freethinkers? No way !
Please use your brain and learn to Judge people by what they do and say and not what you assume about them.


Your wrong assumption about my person is why you're doing all of these.


Before now, you assumed, like an average religious person who doesn't think, I was a Christian and wanted to put the blame on me for your inability to prove how exactly babies are atheist.

This time around, you're clutching at straws to stay afloat.

Just focus on the discussion at hand,and quite trying to cast me in a mould of your choice to help you win an argument. You don't know anything about me . Nothing at all.

The claim that babies are atheist is not your idea. It's Hawking's. But you're here regurgitating it is if you thought it out yourself. . Because he said so ,he must be correct. Not so ?

FRANCISTOWN:
This is one of the phrases I hate the most in my life. If not that my eagle just landed, I would have said some really abrasive stuff to you.

Are you saying you can't think for yourself with your head, but you rely on what other people think as a blueprint for living your life?

Do you think everyone is dumb that other people can make them believe whatever?
Are you that kinna person?

Please I beseech you. Moving forward, never use that statement when chatting to me.



Check your dictionary. What does it say? You and that other guy are birds of feather.

Atheists are critical thinkers, a skill non-atheists will never possess .

You/someone said sometime ago that some people became atheists due to disappointments or emotional consequences. Can these people be also categorized under people who became atheists due to the absence of verifiable evidences for God?

People turn atheists for different reasons.
Whatever you have added is only a figment of your own imagination to give you sweet dreams. That's not atheism in the grand scheme of things





This was what I said:


Now, how is this tantamount to "There are adults who have never heard about God in China"?
I'm a Nigerian and I always see christians especially, as people who are mentally ill whenever they are on about that Jesus thing. Does that mean I've never heard about God?

You really need to hone your comprehensive skills.

Do you know why nobody can gainsay me in a debate? It's because I always know what I talk about, and not just knowing. I have a deep understanding of them.
If you wanted to defeat me. You need to find a way to drag me into what I know but do not understand. That's how you can have anything on me.


Lol😂😂😂 Comedian. See the way you are sweating.

https://www.wionews.com/web-stories/world/top-10-most-atheist-countries-1689591277515


I no dey like talk too much these days. I go just attach a screenshot from Gallup's poll as seen on Wikipedia. And a report from other survey


I got questions for ya . What is a person who does not believe in the existence of deities called?
Do babies believe in the existence of deities?

BTW, you no be atheist?
Wetin you come dey do o? You dey worship water?😂😂😂

I will respond later. I dey watch football

https://www.chinasource.org/resource-library/blog-entries/are-most-chinese-really-atheists/

The Pew review doesn't give an accurate description of things. Read why from the above or meet up with Chinese people here in Nigeria to tell you the truth.

FRANCISTOWN:
Now lemme give you a smack down. I want to win flawlessly. 100% fatality. Emi ika.


Of which religion are you?

Life is not black and white only. I'm irreligious.

Biglittlelois:
He is wrong, it is an ambiguous expression that can go both ways that's why I gave possible instances to that sentence.

Where's the ambiguity in the sentence?