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Kobojunkie:
My view is not in the least bit distorted at all. Those formalities establish what you call a marriage — which means you have obtained the product. And marriage is the goal of those who sign those dotted lines. Whatever they do after that is considered marriage? So?

Yes, even random strangers are not barred by law from doing just that. So, I am not certain what you are going on about here.

Technically ,marriage means what you say it mean. But it's much more than that when you include in your description what happens after


And it's what happens after that's the focus of nearly everyone here as reason why it appears to be losing relevance.

You, alone, is focused on the process during
the union as if that's the major reason marriage is being avoided by some
But it's not.

If it's, then you haven't been able to prove it so far using what you know.

As for your final comment, you're yapping nonsense as usual. Random strangers are not barred doesn't mean that sort of thing is happening anywhere in the world. It's only the insane that would engage in that kind of irrational behavior. Please don't just type nonsense and post because you want to say something in reply.

Kobojunkie:
Lol.. the moment you sign the agreement papers or you fulfill the traditional marriage requirements, you pretty much bought the product called marriage. What you do with it afterwards is between you and your marriage business partner.

2. Make marriage successful ke? We are talking of making it more enticing than it has currently become.

I'm afraid you have a very distorted view of what marriage is. The signing of the dotted lines are mere formalities. Focusing on that as if that's all that matters will distract from the goal .

Random strangers don't just walk into the registry to " buy" the product . Do they?

Kobojunkie:
This here discussion has absolutely to do with whether one has experienced it or not. The fact is clear to all, by way of the statistics available, that more and more individuals are opting for alternatives to marriage. So, I am not certain of the place of experience in all of this.

Where are you getting the statistics from? From all over the world or a particular region?

And what's alternative to marriage and your definition of marriage?

Kobojunkie:
Precisely! The product needs improvement work done on it either through enactment of new laws and benefits for those who would choose it all while protecting them at the same time. And it could also benefit from some rebranding work.

Marriage is not a product you buy from the market. It's something you have to build together with a willing partner you have chosen to love for the rest of your life. If you're not ready for that , then don't go into it.

Enactment of laws and protection from government are not the things that would make any marriage successful .

Kobojunkie:
No one is attempting to determine here the depth of the river that is marriage. What we are saying is that the river does not seem to benefit many as it used to and it may be time to fill parts of it in so the cost to the individual of crossing it is no longer as great as it used to be.

You have given a wrong interpretation to the parable.

Having a direct experience of something is sometimes the only only way you can judge iif it's actually good or bad and not by listening to the experience of others who had it bad

Those ones will so mess up your mind with their own negative experiences to the extent you start imagining that "the river does not seem to benefit many as it used to "

The river is there for you to step into and use for your own benefit. How you achieve that is dependent on the effort you, yourself ,put into it.

Kobojunkie:
Look, the fact of life is this, people will almost always prefer to buy products that will be of more benefit to them than to others. Marriage needs to be of great benefit to both men and women before they choose to commit.

In the days of our ancestors, the benefits were outlined in the traditional marriage laws of the time. Those laws no longer hold weight in the society we live in today. People are less inclined to follow along with the old ways just because it is that. They now understand that the choices they make directly impact their particular quality of life and so many are less likely to make sacrifices for the good of others. This means the marriage laws or rules needed, including the guaranteed benefits list, ought to be updated to keep people interested.

2. Marriage can only be beautiful if what it offers is better than the competition.

You cannot determine the depth of river by standing at its bank.

Marriage is only irrelevant for those who don't know its relevance.

Omoapena:
Lolz
You gotta go back to study economy.


When there's too much money in circulation, what will it cause.
If minimum wage should exceed 100k, if will cause problem to the nation..

Where did I argued that minimum wage should be over 100k?

Show me

Modified. This was what I said. Show where I said it must be over 100k

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Please understand the 600k is just a "gimmick" by labour to get a better deal from government at the end of the day. Nothing is fixed yet.

During Buhari regime, labour at first, proposed around 150k as minimum wage ,but at the end of the day, 30k was approved by him .

You should look to past wage negotiations in this country to understand what's behind the current proposal of labour, and stop the unnecessary criticism.

helinues:
Make Dem kuku contest for the president in the next election.

Look for something reasonable to do with your time so you don't regret it later.

1Sharon:
I'm watching.

They're going to rope Jnr popes wife into his death and end up asking for a DNA test. They are somehow, going to make it her fault.

There's no guarantee that your speculations will come to pass.

SoNature:
NLC has membership across public and private sectors. I am talking about the latter - very unproductive yet greedy folks!

You're speaking as an outsider. You don't know the true situation. Civil servants shouldn't carry cutlasses and shovels to their various offices before you see them as productive.

You don't know the kind of job they do but just judging them based on what you expect them to do.

You certainly cannot say that civil servants in Lagos state are not productive. They're very productive. Go and confirm this before you start generalising.

Funflipper:
Inflation. Too much money chasing few goods = price skyrocketing.

You're not incorrect,but that's just textbook economics theory which doesn't meet with the current reality in the country.

What we have now is too little money chasing too many goods. That's not normal and it's the reality which no one should resist unless they want to live in denial of the truth.The current situation Nigeria is abnormal ,and it' may lead to economic crisis if something is not done urgently.


The prices of goods and services have skyrocketed beyond the reach of the common man after the removal of fuel subsidy and the floating of the naira and as a result ,the purchasing power of Nigerian workers and others in the country,have reduced drastically.

30k minimum wage is nothing at the moment compared to 4 years ago when it was approved.Then a bag of local rice was 10- 15 k, but now it's close to 80k.

The public no longer can make purchases as before from traders and other business men.

And if the situation persists it would lead to the shutting down of several factories in the country resulting in a reduction of taxes and other levies accruing to government as well as the laying off of workers.

That's already happening. Some manufacturing firms have completely shutdown their operations in Nigeria and relocated to neighboring countries. Others have either stopped production or reduced it until things improve.

The only thing to do to rectify the situation so that it doesn't get out of hand, is for a corresponding increase in workers salaries . That's the only way out.Nothing else would do .The government understands this very well hence
they're in a hurry to make sure the new minimum is signed into law by month end.

But they have no choice. The minimum wage act mandates that salaries of workers in Nigeria must be reviewed upward every 4 years so that they continue to earn a living wage. The people who came up with that law did enough consultation with economic experts to know the implication before it was signed into law. So I don't understand why you lots keep resisting it and talking of hyperinflation as if you know more than the experts consulted.


Your fears about hyperinflation are unfounded. Businesses in Nigeria can no longer afford to increase prices of their goods and services. Any further attempt to do so after salary increase would lead to more boycott of their products or a reduction in purchases from their regular customers.

They need to sell more to remain in business and the only way they can do that is to maintain current prices or maybe a little increase not enough to cause any hyperinflation

SoNature:
Unfortunately, Nigérian public servants are not productive. You come to work to gist and gossip. At the end of the month, you start asking for salaries.

Regurgitating the half truths you have been mislead with. Nigerian civil servants to you are unproductive but each time labour goes on strike the whole country is grounded.

Noblemanonpoint:
You are listing CBN,NNPC and FIRS. What of the private sector, the Adelabu and co limited and other businesses?
Can they pay this?

When can they pay?

Nigerian business men and women are notorious for underpaying their workers So don't fight for them unless you're one of them.

Moreover ,minimum wage is for businesses that have a minimum of 50 workers in their employ. It's not for every one.

If you're unfortunate to find yourself working in a place where you're being paid less than the minimum wage due to the number of workers they have,it's your choice , and not labour's if you choose to remain there and allow them exploit you.

Noblemanonpoint:
It's quite obvious you are severely uneducated, which is quite a pity because you have access to the internet and i assume you also have a smart phone.

Do the needful yourself, i'm not a teacher.

Quit the wayward talk and just provide enough evidence from the past in Nigeria to support your hyperinflation claim .

If you have to refer me to Google then it means you're the one who's "severely uneducated "

Instead of getting yourself busy somewhere else,you're here on Nairaland trying to advise the government who has in their employ seasoned economic experts to advise them on what they need to know. I'm sure in your small mind you think you know better than them.

Yeye the smell .

PHAYOL81:
Labour don't seem to be ready for a change. They're not realistic with their demand.

You and your likes are judging them as not realistic because you're are not too well informed about wage negotiations in this country

The 600k announced by labour is a means to achieve an end .

kay29000:
Dude I get your analogy, but do you know the number of workers that the government is paying? Do your research on that before you say 600k monthly "MINIMUM WAGE" is not too much.

Please understand the 600k is just a "gimmick" by labour to get a better deal from government at the end of the day. Nothing is fixed yet.

During Buhari regime, labour at first, proposed around 150k as minimum wage ,but at the end of the day, 30k was approved by him .

You should look to past wage negotiations in this country to understand what's behind the current proposal of labour, and stop the unnecessary criticism.

Noblemanonpoint:
Calling people fools when that title plainly rest with your likes that have no basic understanding of economics.

So you're saying manual labourers and other artisian should be paid 600k monthly even when the business that employed them earn way less than that as their monthly turnover, or you think minimum wage is only applicable to civil service workers.
Did you guys go to school?

It would lead to severe hyper inflation, it's not realistic!!

That would totally bring the country on its knees. There has to be equal economic growth before such amount can be proposed and implemented.

The leadership of NLC are dunderheads.

You have come with you moronic talk again.

You keep repeating it would lead to hyperinflation without for once providing instances in the past it led to that in Nigeria and other countries where minimum wage was increased. I don't think you even know what's hyperinflation .

Funflipper:
Even if the minimum wage is increased to 1 million, that same bag of of rice will go up to about 500k.

Why will it go to 500k a bag?

Angelfrost:
Lol... These people don't seem to know how inflation and economics work.

The best FG can do is #100,000.

...And that can only be for federal government workers only or mostly.

We all know most states will never pay that... Some are still struggling to pay the current paltry minimum wage.


NLC needs to quit clowning around...!

It's you who don't know "how inflation and economics work "

Moreover, you're not the federal government to know the best they can do. Nigerian civil servants who are privy to certain secrets about the government are in a better position to know what government can pay or not pay.

And please mention the "most states" not paying minimum wage. You people keep regurgitating things you read elsewhere without confirming if true or not. Some states are paying above the minimum . Are you even aware of that?
The states you claim not paying minimum wage are actually paying what's very close to it. So don't mislead the public with half truth.

Teymanhenry:
What now happens to us in the private sector

Minimum wage is binding on both the public and private sector. Please read the article again.

femicyrus:
Power ministry is trying to generate more revenue by increasing tariff, u complained. Wait for other MDAs to either generate or increase revenue and see whether you will continue to open your mouth waaaah like trash can

Don't mind these jobless people on Nairaland trying to advise the government about what they don't know.

Ezechimma:
Everything wod increase geometrically.

What do you know?

Well known economic experts in Nigeria and elsewhere who know more than you haven't advised against increasing minimum wage, but you're here mentioning "geometrically" as if you know what you're saying.

Just rest abeg. This wan pass you

Omoapena:
🤣🤣🤣

Tell me you're joking pls, if 600k is approved, do you know the damage it will cause to the economy.
Imagine cleaners earning 600k as minimum, even Deloitte don't pay their new entry more than 300k a month.

Can't imagine how hyperinflation will finish the country if that is approved

What do you know about the economy and wage negotiations?

And where did you read it from Mr text book economic expert that an increase in minimum wage will result in hyperinflation?

It's your own personal opinion if you think a cleaner doesn't deserve to earn 600k.

Ezechimma:
If it approved even the senate wod increase to 350m a month

Who tells you that?

helinues:


Jokes taken too far . Where would the state get the money from if the basic salary is N600k.

Well may be na typor error sha, it could be N61,500

This na gaslighting things jor

You have come again with your wayward talk. The 600k is just a proposal.

If you don't know where the states government will get the money,then shut up.

Why are you not asking what have they been doing with the excess allocations going to them since the removal of fuel subsidy?

Kobojunkie:
1. The OP is the one who attempted to draw some religious angle, specifically a Scriptural one, to the idea of Karma and I saw fit to point out that no such exists.

If I was clear from my first comment that Karma has nothing to do with the world of sin and forgiveness and judgment, why would you feel the need to rope sin and forgiveness and judgment back into it all?

And what exactly is that idea of karma you know that you were trying to make clear for the OP? You have been running away from stating that clearly. Is that not so?

2. Your response regarding the seed that failed to germinate due to natural occurrences beyond my control is ludicrous. First of all, sin, forgiveness, etc., have nothing to do with the planting of a mere seed abeg ! Second, the natural laws described were beyond me and there was nothing I could have done about them given my ignorance of the weather and all. Unless you meant that my lack of knowledge of natural laws that could impact seed germination -- along with inability to foresee the future-- is my Karma-- a type of ignorance--- , i fail to see the substance to be obtained from your response on the subject of karma.

Not good for you to strawman my comments.I never said planting of seeds has something to do with sin and forgiveness. That's your own talk.I said karma is concerned with actions or inactions and the results,good or bad, which comes from it. What's difficult for you to understand in that? Natural occurrences affecting what you plant is to be expected. Every farmer expects this and don't complain when it happens. It's part of the business of planting. If you don't want that to happen to you, karma,then don't even plant at all because if you do and natural occurrence affects it ,then simply accept it as normal and don't blame anyone else but yourself for planting in the first. If you don't know how to swim avoid going near any large body of water because if someone pushes you in and you almost got drowned, don't blame anyone else but yourself for the initial action,cause, you took to go near the body of water where you almost got drowned. You know you can't swim , why take the risk and then blame natural occurrences after. Anyway the law of karma ,cause and effect ,is much more what I have said about here. It's not for everyone to accept it even make sense of, especially those who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

See, this is why I prefer the religious definitions of the idea. They at least offer something more tangible in way of explaining this and not some fluff that can't be reduced any further.

If you're asked to provide the so called religious definitions,you won't, but to go on a tangent of saying nothing. From your responses so far, I know that what you're referring to as religious definitions of it are nothing but misconceptions about karma held and expressed by some religious groups in order to ensnare the ignorant public. Unfortunately, you too have been misled by those.You prefer such lies to the actual truth of what the law of karma really describes because it helps you to argue confidently but ignorantly that your religious beliefs are superior to those who hold on to the idea of karma.

4. I don't believe that life can be wrapped up as simply as your karmic ideas lead you to believe at all..

I never said life can wrapped up in "karmic ideas" as you assume.

Kobojunkiee:
The way I see it, even natural laws fail as karmic laws.
What happens if I plant the seed in the ground and nothing springs forth due to unforeseen circumstances? What is the karmic conclusion in that instance? Was my action/deed/work/act wrong or bad? If you unknowingly plant a bad seed or you plant a seed and snow falls the whole of that week leading to the seed decaying in the soil and eventually failing to germinate, is it your fault that things turned out the way they did? ...does that mean your karma is bad? ...

I cannot help but to respond to this. Your comments here has further confirmed that you have no clue what karma is. You're still interpreting it in the light of your religious beliefs.

Who planted the seed?
You of course .

The seed not germinating is your karma, the consequence from the action you took.You didn't do anything bad,but only took and action that resulted in something. Learn from what has happened and then next time find a better way of doing it t so you reap a good harvest That's all.

You continue to miss it because you still see karma as sin which requires forgiveness from a God. Karma is taking responsibility for your actions and not blaming external forces or circumstances for what has happened to you. The knowledge of karma is an empowering concept that will help anyone to change their life if things aren't working as they want
it. You're responsible for happens to you and if you don't like the results you see in your life, you have the power to change it by taking necessary action. That's what
karma says.

Kobojunkiee:
You asked me a question and I answered you. If you instead wanted me to read your particular mind and post your particular ideas on the topic, I would have not responded since I don't care for that.

What sort of talk is this?

I asked you a question and the next thing is to share a link like a bot to an article you never bothered to read in detail ,and you say you answered me.? That's
not fair at all..


If everyone were to act like you , then there won't be much discussion going on this
forum. Sharing only links about something you were asked by another without stating your own thoughts first on the matter is not only dismissive and disrespectful , but also you indirectly telling the person they don't know how to use Google to search for answers themselves.

If I were not ready to engage you on the topic under discussion,I would simply type on any browser, what's is karma, and don't bother you . I expected you to understand this, but you continue to pretend .

I have read the article a long time ago. So what do I do with it now?

Another descriptive word for what karma refers to in that you pretended to have read,is ,"cause and effect",yet you say karma don't exist in this world.? You don't know what you're saying, and you just exposed yourself


Abeg rest.

Kobojunkiee:
Please stop trying to flip this all over the place when there is no need to. You asked the definition of Karma and I provided you with a link that connected you to the prevailing ideas held of it by those of the religions Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. It has always been a religious idea and not something any tom-dick-and-harry can cook up a definition for.

I never asked you for a link to a definition of something, I know how to use Google myself,but what you understand about
karma. . You have shown you don't really understand it. So why continue to argue over what you don't fully grasp?

In my later responses, I proceeded to explain that Karma does not apply in the Scriptural context because all things Scripture are weighed against God's Law. The mandate of Obedience from God to all who are under the Law is the determining factor for all things in the lives of individuals. Karma does not apply at all.

karma has nothing to do with your religious beliefs .So why are you trying to interpret it based on what's contained in your Bible

Heck
Karma does not even work in the real world many of us live in.

You say so because you're hung up on the word,karma,and not what it really another name for,Karma, is cause and effect and you say it doesn't work in the real world?

About Reincarnation, I would say it is quite possible for those who are not born-again. Anyways, that is all I have on that.

But I don't subscribe to the born again talk. Reincarnation is reincarnation, born again is church doctrine.

Anyway, let's end this. Thanks for your time.

Kobojunkiee:
1. Huh? Hindu and Buddhist understanding of karma are not acceptable?

2. I am afraid I don't follow your meaning at all. In Scripture, evil/sin is defined by the Law and as such it is by transgressing the law that you incur the condemnation of sin or curse. That, I explained, is not how karma works.

3.

I'm talking about certain ideas attached to it which makes it difficult for most people to understand what karma really is.

Buddhism ties it with reincarnation, but others don't ,or do you believe in reincarnation ?

Karma is not sin,but simply the results from an individual's actions and inactions . These results are not punishment from any god. People who talk as if karma is punishment are only speaking metaphorically ,not understanding this ,is probably the reason you're trying to compare it with what is in the scripture you subscribe to.

Go back to the article you shared and see where karma is defined at the beginning as ,deeds ,or actions, and that they lead to consequences.The word, karma ,is originally from Sanskrit,one of the oldest language in the world.

Without karma,cause and effect,not will happen in this world.. Focus on what the word, karma, actually describe so you understand it better before considering any thing being connected to it

Kobojunkiee:
In the context of Scripture, Karma does not exist nor apply given that instead what applies are laws laid down by God.

2. There are many ideas regarding Karma out there. However, it does not matter whether they oppose themselves or not because the major case here is that none of that applies as far as Scripture is concerned.

3. If you wish to believe that, it's fine by me.

In all you still don't know what karma is. What you know about it is what some religious groups have said about it,and that's why you say it doesn't apply to Scripture.

Karma is not transgressing the laws of any deity as you think you. It's the principle of cause and effect. That's all

The actions you take are the causes of what you get. But your hand in fire, you get burned and learn the lesson. It's has nothing to do with what is contained in Scripture.