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TenQ:
This still doesn't change the fact that you have demonstrated clearly that you cannot comprehend that Realities that are NOT Tangible exist, it is meaningless explanation to you.


Except you have changed your mind!

You have failed, and woefully. This is just the last kick of a dying horse.

Next time, learn to be honest with whatever you do here . Not everyone can be fooled by you. You have proven yourself to be denialist and pathological liar. I don't pity you one bit because of your lack of respect for others who wasted their time to respond to your stupidity .
What you sowed is what you have reaped .

TenQ:
It isnt:
If Grief is Tangible, fakes can be detected easily

A Good Actor is acting out Grief: can you measure its weight?

. I said I'm not interested in discussing what's hypothetical.

A good actor is acting. Everybody knows that, but someone involved in a ghastly accident with serious injury to their body cannot fake it.

TenQ:
How do you messure Grief?

What of if a Good Actor is acting out Grief: can you measure its weight?

That's an hypothetical situation. I want to answer only to what's real.

Grief doesn't have weight so your question is as silly as the ones you have asked

TenQ:
You are the professor of Physics abi!
And who told you that I was making definitions for physics students. Lets see how your ignorance play out

MY QUESTION:


YOUR RESPONSE:

Just look at your response arrogant emptiness. This is how you fail your exams with copy-paste of things you do not understand.
1. can you show me ANYWHERE where i said that whatever cannot be measured in terms of mass, Dimension, Energy and time doesn't exist as you have claimed. Simple comprehension of English Language has deluded you
2. While TRYING to explain what TANGIBILITY of existence means according to the fundamental law of the universe with respect to physics, You spoke of SUBSTANCES THAT MAKE UP THE UNIVERSE and you mentioned energy and force
Please tell me, Energy and Forces are SUBSTANCES!? Please explain because I only read my physic to 100 Levels.
3. Suddenly, to feign knowledge, you copied and pasted a 2nd law: and I was wondering if you were about he Second law of Motion or the second law of thermodynamics: as you know, my physics is elementary.
4. You now went completely off tangent to the question: was the question remotely about spirits?
I don't get it o. Mr Expert.

If you had read my post at all, you wouldn't come up with this lame duck response to my question

Let me Help you out a little with the reason behind the Question
My Question was simply in another words that: If an observable is NOT tangible, does it mean that it doesn't exist?

MY QUESTION:

YOUR RESPONSE:

Your Response shows that you know NOTHING about how data is stored in a computer either in the ROM or HDD or the REGISTERS or even the FlashDrive. Your ignorance is so deep that I am disappointed in you. I thought you knew a little about Softwares or Digital Electronics.

1. You said: "Softwares can be observed :Visually and Auditory"
May I please ask you for the colour of the Softwares you have seen and the frequency and waveform of the sound it produces: I am waiting o!
2. You said: Softwares are highly interactive even more than the hardwares.
May I please ask you to tell me the mechanism by which a software is highly interactive?

Have you ever programmed one line of "Hello World" before?
3. Then you went off tangent again: Read the question and tell me if the two questions were about spirits?

MY QUESTION:

YOUR RESPONSE:

I don't know if this is a problem of comprehension of simple English Language: the question says:
Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?

The answer should be either Yes it is Wisdom or No it is not wisdom, but your royal professor of Physics did NOT understand the Question one bit.

Don't you know that Questions are not statements of position?
You fall my hand o!

MY QUESTION:

Anyone who ever ask if a software can or should be "measured" like you are asking is talking nonsense.

TenQ:
At least you agree that Grief is Tangible.

Then Please respond:
Just as Grief and Life is Tangible according to you,
What if I tell you that the Soul is tangible, what will you say?

Did you not read what I said up there about soul? Go back and read

TenQ:
But you have demonstrated clearly that you cannot comprehend that Realities that are NOT Tangible exist, it is meaningless explanation to you.

Empty words of a drowning man clutching at straws. Show how I have demonstrated what you said or shut up you lying Christian

I answered that they exist but you forget because you see this as a competition to prove you are clever when you're not.

FRANCISTOWN:
Obviously. The person behind the moniker TenQ doesn't understand elementary physics and computer science.



First of all. The fundamental law of the universe with respect to physics doesn't say
whatever cannot be measured in terms of mass, Dimension, Energy and time doesn't exist.
This is what the tangibility of existence means according to the fundamental law of the universe with respect to physics.

The fundamental law of universe with respect to physics is that. The substances that made up the universe are either observable or touchable or being felt or interactive (with or without laboratory equipments.)

For instance, energy and force can't be seen(often than not). But when you hit your head on the ground or you get electrocuted. You'd cease to be an unbeliever. They are highly interactive.

2nd law: As we all know, the laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of reference. That is,
the truly fundamental laws are the same everywhere for all observers.

Therefore,
Can spirits be seen by anyone with or without laboratory aids? No.
Can they be touched by anyone? No.
Can they be felt by anyone? No
Can they be interacted with by anyone? No.
Are they observable? NO.

Therefore, spirits don't satisfy any criterion of the fundamental law of existence of the universe. Therefore, according to physics. Spirits don't exist.


This is a poor comparison. Because softwares satisfy the criterion for existence under the fundamental laws of existence.

•Softwares can be observed(visually and auditory), when you look into your screen, use speakers and microphones.
•Softwares are highly interactive even more than the hardwares .

Therefore, softwares are very poor measuring yards for spirits.


They are highly interactive and observable. Therefore, they exist.


This shows your poor understanding of how the computer works.

Softwares don't stay on the C.P.U. Any set of instructions written directly on a hardware is called a *firmware*.

Softwares are set of written instructions, they are either, compiled, translated or interpreted into machine codes. These machine codes stay on the main drive first, and if requested moves to the RAM, as a series of jobs to be passed into the processor for execution, then as cache and finally to the processor and back to the cache and back to the RAM the cycle continues.

Therefore any software that cannot be found on the memory of any computer device doesn't exist. It is that simple.

@the emboldened doesn't even make any sense and it shows you don't know what you are talking about.



You are actually the one who doesn't know anything here and you are not just a noice maker but a town crier.

Thank you very much for this detail response. The bolded is what I have been trying to drum into his head but he won't accept or understand it due to ego. Software is a very poor analogy for spirit.

Watch out how he would reply ,with, "you can't
comprehend what spirit is for him to discuss it with you".That's the only defence he has

TenQ:
Too bad!
Pearls are not given to pigs.

If you cannot comprehend that Realities that are NOT Tangible exist, it is meaningless explanation to you.

Sorry, when you grow up in understanding

You dont have any pears to give,and name calling amd insults wont win you an argument. It reveals your frustration that you're losing the debate.

TenQ:
No Sir,

One of your Illustrations you used was according to the Websters dictionary to prove that Grief is Tangible (even though I explained taya that it was a figure of speech to no avail)

/Her Grief was tangible

Please respond:
Just as Grief and Life is Tangible according to you,
What if I tell you that the Soul is tangible, what will you say?

I didn't use any websters dictionary to define grief. You're mistaking me for someone else.

I just explained how grief is tangible. Read my response up there. Soul is tangible , but what's soul is misconstrued in religion. Soul simply refers to the real person. You're soul and not that you have a soul.
Are you not tangible? Yes you're.
So , soul is tangible

Aemmyjah:

Don't mind TenQ
Pls explain how grief is tangible

And you think you're talking to a child with the bolded
Tangible means what can be touched or felt,and a synonym for tangible is palpable which has to do what intense feelings

So ,grief is tangible as you can feel it within yourself or see it in others grieving.

The word, grief, on its own, is not the reality it describes ,but just a descriptive word we have all collectively agreed on to use to refer to something everyone can experience.

Grief describes an individual's emotional reaction to anything thing that causes pain. Others can see us grieving, and determine or measure our grief by the extent to which we react to what's causing us pain . That's why grief is described as tangible

Aemmyjah:
Francistown
Come o
Come and help your atheists brothers
They are highly confused
Even contradicting one another

Can u answer these

Please stop quoting me with your waywardness. Discuss the op,then I will answer you. I said I'm not an atheist and I have repeated that at different times here. Are you deaf or something?

Answer these below if you know what's spirit . Just focus on the op.

1. What's spirit?

2. What's the nature of spirit.?

3. How do you know it exist despite your believe it cannot be seen or measured physically ?

4. What's the relation or connection between spirit and the material world and yourself?

5. Clearly explain how spirit compares with a computer software.

Answer the above or ask your friend TenQ who claims to be an authority on spirits to answer it for you, and let's proceed on mature and sensible discussion,not this childishness from you.

The questions asked by TenQ are completely asinine as it as nothing to do with spirit or God described in the Bible. He should take his computer talk to the right section since he doesn't want to be honest. Your friend is lying about the true intention behind his questions and you're here defending and covering for him instead of condemning him of using deception to discuss God or spirits



Nobody has ever demanded for a direct physical quantification of a computer software before they buy it or install it in their machine,and that's because, even though
it can't be seen or touched, we know it exist as something that produces visible effects which anyone can see whether you believe in it or not

So it won't make sense to demand for physical quantification. But for spirit, the public doesn't know much about it . So it's wisdom to ask for some form of physical quantification to be certain it exist as real. Your friend is misapplying knowledge to fool people like you who refuses to think or question anything.

I already answered his questions ,and ask him some questions in return while doing so, but he has refused to respond in kind.

So why should continue ? Don't bother me if you can't get him to answer the questions I and others have been asking him . A teacher who's afraid to take questions from students doesn't know the subject very well.

TenQ:
Just as Grief and Life is Tangible according to you,
What if I tell you that the Soul is tangible, what will you say?

Note: the effects of the soul on the body are
With our soul we feel emotions,
With our soul we have volition
With our soul we have intellect


I am using your logic now o!

Your lying and not using my logic correctly. I said grief can be described as tangible without mentioning how yet.

You should have asked me how grief is tangible before jumping the gun.

jaephoenix:
The funny thing is his fellow cretarded theists are applauding him, like he's their champion. That shows their reasoning is just poor

. They just want to give moral support ,not caring if he's making sense or not.

And what did you expect from people who don't know what's a proof or evidence for something .

TenQ:
Do you agree that It is a stupid definition (from a real point of view) : it only makes sense as a figure of speech.



What can be appraise as tangible:Grief!?

How do you measure the grade of tangibility?

So when something makes sense as a figure of speech you can't make sense of it to know what's being referred to ?

A computer software is not tangible, but it makes perfect sense to describe it as that when you consider the visible effects it produces. That's how we know it exist without measuring it directly. This is simple science that a person who claim to be an expert is struggling to understand. SMH

Your problem is that you want a word to mean only what you want to mean despite evidence to the contrary, and that's because of the personal agenda you're pursuing on this thread.



What visible effects does spirit produces for you to compare it to a software. That's all
If you're not able to mention that ,then please take your display to the right section and ask your questions there. You're derailing the thread. Maybe it's about time the mods are invited to intervene since you don't want to be honest.

This is religion section and the subject under discussion is spirit. Discuss that if you know it and stop hiding behind something to prove another thing that's not related to it in any way It won't work here .

Your friends have by their comments shown you're indirectly explaining spirit or God,but you continue to deny it, and you're a Christian?

Modified. You want to measure physically another person's grief before you know they're grieving.? Nonsense.

budaatum:
Triple, I am an atheist, yet I can agree with the bold depending on context.

Say, I were to believe and claim to worship God, but can not be bothered to love my neighbour because my neighbour does not believe what I believe or has a different point of view to mine, it could be said that my belief in God lacks spirit and is therefore intangible..

Just throwing it out there that one can worship God in tangible spirit, as by thy fruits suggest.

Yes ,it will lack it

alizma:
Don't be fooled, they are looking at it from annual base not monthly.

. Who tells you that?

This is not the first time government is reviewing minimum in this country. Look to what happened in the past to understand what's going on now concerning the negotiations

StillDtruth:
Actually, their love for evil and their hatred for God is what prevents them from immediately seeing that they are been deceived with Lies.

John 3:20 describes what happens to people who love evil.

20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light

And you can't see that you're commiting evil by judging and condemning others. What happens to judgement is for God and thou shall not judge?

TenQ:
I agree with you.

They have trusted the Charles Dawkins and co that they don't even bother to ask questions before joining the atheist bandwagon

The irony.

TenQ:
I do NOT explain spirit/soul to atheists UNLESS they can comprehend basic physical real life concepts

Haba. Calm down. I said I'm not an atheist. You keep ignoring this, why?

If you won't explain it ,why are you here? This thread is about spirits not computer softwares. There's no where it's written down that to understand spirit you must know what's a software. You made that up yourself ,and it's a very dishonest way of escaping from doing what you should do.

Using your logic,I can also affirm that if you can't comprehend what's oxygen in biology you can't understand what's spirit. Spirit is not intangible as you think. It depends on how it manifest,and there 're different manifestations of spirit. Spirit from a material point of view, simply means energy.

If you're not going to discuss spirit,then forget it and thanks for your time and the insults too.

You just can't assume that another person can't make sense of what you haven't even started to discuss or explain .I can also assume you don't really know your subject very well hence you're afraid to discuss it so your incompetency is not fully exposed.

emperor4love:
Clowns ,we no need ur 700k,implement 50k mk e near realistic to implement by fg nd governors, dis ppl use naija de cruise

Neither the 700k nor your 50k suggestion is realistic.

Ekakamba:

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Sanction for person wey full blown useless immunity cover?

Read the full article first

Tonytonex:
let them be realistic na.
Some states governors are Owings months of salaries.
With 30k.
Talk more of 700k plus.

The governors owning months are thieves.

Why don't you ask how come some are even paying more than the minimum wage?

helinues:
Something that is yet to be approved.

Which kind of yeye labour leader be this

Why you nor go talk nonsense wen to read and understand dey hard u.

Go look 4 beta work do . 30k wey u dey receive to talk nonsense na poverty salary .

imagrg:
These people get sense so?

Don't they know this will heighten inflation in the country?

Minimum wage should be gradually increased. It should start from 60k.

Na only you get sense. The government wey wan increase am dem nor get sense reach u.
Clap 4 urself Mr sense

TenQ:
Tell me how you think the Spirit /Soul can be explained to an Atheist who think that any Reality that is not Tangible is FICTION?

Is a Spirit/Soul Tangible?

What's your definition of spirit first? I need to know that so I know we're on the same page and know where to start from

TenQ:
I have not even discussed spirits one bit.

I have only focused on software and find that all you Atheists were grossly inadequate in knowledge. You could have asked Google or even ChatGPT for answers but you chose to wallow in your self delusions.



When your understanding of the what is known is sound, you are now prepared for understanding of what is unknown.

Still referring me to as an atheist shows you don't take your time to read me before
replying.

And the bolded is you trying to hide behind something very silly. Incompetent people are known for hiding behind that to hide their incompetency. It's a well known tactics, and you can't put me down with it.

There's nothing about spirit that's unknown, especially for someone like me. You're mystifying it because it's still a mystery to you. Everyone is not you and I'm certainly not you.

If you claim to know something and refuse to talk about it ,how can anyone know if you really know it?

A computer software and spirit are not the same kind of reality. And so saying that one needs to know the former before one can understand the later,is equally as illogical as declaring that if one can't make sense of levitating in a dream how can one make sense of flying a plane in the waking state.

There's no logicality in your thinking Mr computer software wizard. You're just blinded by your knowledge of softwares and can't see beyond that. That's all.

If you don't know the limitations of your knowledge, then you have a problem.

And to talk about chatGPT, shows that's exactly what you're doing to have something to say here. I don't do that. I'm not you

TenQ:
I am glad you admit that through TenQ, your foolishness is entertaining your adversaries

You have more of insults to dish out to others than to teach what you claim to know very well.

Extending your expertise in computer softwares into areas you're not competent to speak on is overreaching yourself. Such behaviour is not something anyone should be proud of. It simply shows you don't know the limit of your knowledge. You can't be an expert in everything. That's why they say, nobody knows it all. You can't know it all.



Every knowledge has its limitations and for that you cannot use your knowledge of computer software to interpret or explain what's spirit to make those not familiar with that reality understand it in the very limited way you do.

Since they haven't seen spirits themselves,their minds won't move past a computer software to understanding what it's. In other words, a computer software analogy becomes a barrier to understanding for such persons.



If you want to discuss spirit, then discuss spirit by first of all ,defining and explaining it after
which you look for something that compares to it in certain ways to make your description clearer to others . That's how to teach something correctly.


I announced at the beginning when I quoted you that I also subscribe to the idea of spirit,but our understanding of it is different .

But sadly enough, you didn't pay attention. You assume I'm an atheist and the next thing is name calling and insults directed at me . That's transferred aggression


Insults and name calling won't help you teach others anything,especially when they didn't insult you first . Instead it would prevent others from learning from you.

You really need to change your attitude. It's working against you.

TenQ:
Atheists of Nairaland have all come to a conclusion that the following are tangible realities
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic

There was even one clown who says that Grief is tangible. His evidence is that Webster definition says
/Her Grief was tangible and he seem not to know that it is a figure of speech.


Who will deliver them from this Ignorance Induced shamelessness?

Cc:
Budaatum LordReed jaephoenix triplechoice

When you're done fooling yourself to entertain your fans, I hope you have the sense to focus on the op and stop derailing the thread with your deception.

StillDtruth:
Your actions says you are!

It's only a slowpoke that judge others only by their "actions" without giving a though to the intentions behind the "actions"

You lack the neural development to understand the reasons or reasons behind my actions hence your wrong conclusion about me.

TenQ:
You probably dont know who an atheist is

Perhaps you may want to read more from what I wrote your friend:

I will read it once you tell me that you have started taking the medications to boost your very low 1Q that's making you to churn out nonsense conclusions.

TenQ:
You have all betrayed your ignorance of common observables like
Information
Mathematics
Software and
Life.

Your level of intelligence is worth re-evaluating!

I didn't betray anything. In fact I been observing very well how you continue to demonstrate your level of intelligence for the whole world to "commonly observe it
Your low IQ is a "common observable " Meet a doc to prescribe some IQ boosting pills to boost it .

TenQ:
What is the name of your Deity

I don't own a deity. I'm a deity and we're all deities.