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He said,
"I don't know what the Constitution says, I only know the Bible "

This statement reveals why he was easily scammed.

NairaLTQ:
The reason is that you have to be consistent with your definition of Tangibles

Do you not trust your understanding of the word Tangible again?

What you don't know is this,

The meaning of a word is determined by the context in which it's used. So for that, you cannot demand for consistency in meaning. Yes, you can't .

Focus on yourself and put in the effort in telling your audience in what context you're using , tangible, so you're understood clearly.

But the problem is, you're neither here nor there. One minute you're lecturing about software,the next you have jumped to criticising and insulting those whom you claim want physical quantification of God before they believe. Why ?

If you're demanding for consistency, then you must be consistent yourself.

NairaLTQ:
You have just explained why you refused to accept the definition of Tangible and now when I decided to adopt your definition, it still scares you.



Check if your position is taken care of below:

Conclusion:
Position 1:
If we insist on using Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE or REALITY that produces EFFECTS on matter, then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will be Tangible. But note that other than these Effects there is NO EVIDENCE for them. Whatever we have is a NOMENCLATURE that describes the cause of the Effects we observe

Position 2:
If we use Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE or REALITY that can be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time (whether by touch or machine other than softwares) then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, magnetic Field Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will NOT be Tangible.


Which is your position of the TWO above

Why do you want to know my position?

You can't tell your opponent how they must debate with you or how they must use a, word to mean only one thing when they're different meanings attached to it.

Just argue your points and everyone will understand you. That's all .

You have been asked at different times to define spirit or to come up with your true intention behind your mention of a software.

Each time, what you do is to ignore the question. Now the same you want your own questions to be answered or we choose something. You're not ready

TenQ:
I know more about softwares or hardware than you ever think you know and this is why we are having problems with understanding BASIC things that need no argument.

Let me come down with you to ground zero and make basic explanations (which you can confirm about the software written i any machine)

Basic information about Information and Data written on Any Hardware
1. Softwares in a memory device is usually recorded in formated forms using appropriate file system format of disk partitions with data all in binary format on magnetic devices as magnetic North or South polarity, in Flash memories as ON or OFF in array of memory cells made from floating-gate transistors, in Optical Disks as Good or Bad Reflectance from microscopic data pits and lands arranged in a spiral track on the disk's surface etc.

2. The Recorded data on the memory devices do NOT add nor subtract any Material (such as atoms, molecules, electrons etc) from the physical device

3. If the File system on a memory device is NOT recognised by a machine, the data on it doesn't exist to the machine because it is NOT recognisable.

4. The same applies to the format in which a software is compiled on a memory device: even if the filesystem is recognized and the format in which the software is compiled on the machine is NOT, the software is NOT recognised. Like a software compiled for Windows OS will not run on a Mac or an Android or a Linux device (Unless we use an Emulator to translate the compiled code to the appropriate instruction format for the target OS)

5. Data or Information is erased from an appropriate hardware by either overwriting the data with random binary data or re-writing a new (different) memory partition on the memory device.
6. Since Data on a physical device Exist BUT is NOT physical, then it is NOT Tangible


Do these make sense or which one do you disagree with?

What kind of human being are you? You didn't read what I said?

If you want to show you know more about softwares then take it to the right section .

You're acting irrationally by bringing in something else into a thread that's focused on spirit.

Na wah o

NairaLTQ:
Hi, This is TenQ
I gat a ban from overzealous nairaland spam bot

I think I have solved your problem. The only issue is that you MUST be consistent with how you use the Term TANGIBLE.

Check if your position is taken care of below:

Conclusion:
Position 1:
If we insist on using Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE or REALITY that produces EFFECTS on matter, then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will be Tangible. But note that other than these Effects there is NO EVIDENCE for them. Whatever we have is a NOMENCLATURE that describes the cause of the Effects we observe

Position 2:
If we use Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE or REALITY that can be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time (whether by touch or machine other than softwares) then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, magnetic Field Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will NOT be Tangible.


Which is your position of the TWO above

It's you who has the problem of not knowing what's a figure of speech.

What you're trying to do now is medicine after death.. You're no more in a position to tell anyone here how they must use the word tangible or how they must be consistent with it.

You're not just presenting an exposition on computer softwares, but using it as an extended metaphor to prove something you're not bold enough to mention.

Not only that, you have turned the whole conversation into a debate,a competition, you must win at all cost.

And so, sticking to your definition of tangible or how it must be consistently used is not only stupid,but also conceding defeat to you .

You can't be the moderator and judge in a debate between you and your opponent.

If I were to choose, I would choose both. But I'm not choosing here.

Just go ahead using the software to prove indirectly that the God of the Bible ,even though you say it's not measurable, tangible ,exist or is real. That's your intention and everyone is fully aware of it


I won't fall for your trap.

TenQ:
I think many of you have ignored my use of the definition of Tangible Realities of characterisable by Mass or Dimension (Length, Area or Volume) and Energy instead many were using tangible as
1. A Figure of Speech
2. Noun
3. Adjective (split into two definitions)
a. Describing a reality that is touchable or Handlable
b. Describing a reality that is untouchable but has effect on other objects

Example:
As an adjective, it describes something that is perceptible by touch or capable of being touched; it refers to something concrete, real, or definite. For example, "She wanted tangible evidence to support her claim."

As a noun, "tangible" refers to something that is fixed and visible, usually an object or item that can be perceived by touch. For example, "The company's assets include both tangible and intangible properties." In this context, "tangible" refers to physical assets like buildings, machinery, or inventory.


In our case: Tangible with respect to Software as used is treated as an Adjective
In the sentence "A software is NOT tangible," "tangible" is an adjective modifying the noun "software." It describes the characteristic of software as not being capable of being touched or physically perceived. So, "tangible" is functioning as an adjective here, expressing the quality of physical presence or tangibility.

The example of //Her Grief is tangible:
In the figure of speech "Her grief was tangible," the word "tangible" is used metaphorically to describe the intensity or palpability of the emotion of grief. It suggests that the grief is so profound and real that it feels as though it can be touched or physically sensed, even though emotions are abstract and intangible by nature. In this context, "tangible" is still functioning as an adjective, but it's used figuratively to evoke a vivid sense of the depth and concreteness of the emotion being described.

For the avoidance of doubt and for clarity
An adjective is a part of speech that modifies or describes a noun or pronoun, providing additional information about its qualities or attributes. Adjectives can indicate size, color, shape, age, personality, emotions, and many other characteristics of the noun they modify.


My Definitions :
https://www.nairaland.com/8069157/atheists-costly-error-assumption-everything#129569120
1. Real:
Things that EXIST are REAL : things that do NOT Exist are Imaginary or Virtual!
e.g. Your image in the mirror is virtual!
2. Tangible:
Anything that has either Mass or Dimensions (Length, Area or Volume) or Energy which can interact with time either by change in position or change in state.

Thus: Anything that is tangible can be described in terms of either its mass or Dimensions or Energy?

Photons and Gluons are mass-less objects and they do not even have spatial dimensions but they have measurable Energies: thus they are Tangible objects


The Objective Remain the Same:
Tangible here mean: Any Reality than can be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time Tangible does NOT mean having Effects (or else Gravity, Electric Field and Magnetic field will be tangible)
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?



Conclusion:
1. If we insist on using Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE that produces EFFECTS on matter, then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will be Tangible. But note that other than these Effects there is NO EVIDENCE for them. Whatever we have is a NOMENCLATURE that describes the cause of the Effects we observe

2. If we use Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE or REALITY that can be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time (whether by touch or machine other than softwares) then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, magnetic Field Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will NOT be Tangible.

Do we agree to these two basic rules. We have an understanding asd a rule of Engagement

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Aemmyjah:
Emusan:
StillDtruth:

You want tangible to mean what you want it to mean so you can fool everyone. You're not serious.

You insisted tangible was used metaphorically in the statement, "Her grief is tangible" and I corrected you. Instead of acknowledging your
error and just proceed with other things , you want to bring in confusion with this long talk



Tangible in that sentence is an adjective describing the quality of her grief. That it's tangible . Because she felt it ( the emotions of grief) intensely, it affected her brain and body.

Whether with her hands or body, the truth was that she felt it as tangible. It wasn't a figure of speech.

If you can't understand this simple thing,then you will struggle to understand what others have been explaining in English language for you.

And you have been struggling as can be seen from the evidence of your responses to others here. You're not responding directly. Meaning you don't fully comprehend what you read.
Just use pidgin please . You won't be criticized for using that. Proficiency in English language is not a mark of intelligence.

TenQ:
The Figure of Speech of "Her grief is tangible" is: Metaphor

Why:
In this metaphor, the word "tangible" is used to describe the quality of the grief being experienced by "her."
Grief, which is an abstract emotion, is being compared to something tangible or palpable, suggesting that it feels very real and can almost be physically sensed or touched.

No . You are very wrong to say it's a metaphor.

A metaphor is a direct comparison between two unlike objects to show the similarities which exist between them.

What we have in the statement, Her grief is tangible " is a a description of her grief as tangible .In other words, it's a post modification of "her grief. Tangible here is used as an adjective to describe her grief. A premodification of her grief will read, " Her tangible grief"

It would be a metaphor if it reads "Her grief is an hurricane" . In this instance one is making a direct comparison between her grief and another thing , an hurricane.


Her grief is not abstract emotion. What kind of nonsense is this now? How can grief which people feel within themselves be described as abstract. I'm not sure you know the meaning of the word abstract. It's the word, grief that's an abstract noun and not the emotion of grief It describes.

TenQ:
Then why ae you avoiding to answer DIRECTLY simple Questions?
Are you afraid of the implications, so you will rather deny the obvious for the sake of remaining in an argument?

I dare you answer each question with not more than one sentence each.
Questions :
1. Do you as Atheists now concur that REALITIES Exist that are NOT TANGIBLE?
2. Do you as Atheists now concur that demanding for direct physical proof of Non-Tangible Realities is borne out of Ignorance?
3. Do you as Atheists now concur that visible Effects of Non-Tangible Realities on other real objects is a fair (indirect) proof of its existence?
i.e. Like the effects of Microsoft OS or Application program on a Computer is sufficient reason to believe that a software is operating within the Computer!
4. Do you concur that a Working Interconnection of several Systems is a reasonable proof of an Intelligent mind behind the controlling program of the systems where the controlling program is Non-Tangible?

I'm not an atheist. I keep reminding you of this. I already answered your first set of questions . It's on page 4 of the other thread in case you have forgotten.

Since I'm not an atheist,I won't answer the above untill you tell me where they're leading to, and why I must answer it.

Emusan:
Can you kindly point me to where the question was answered?

Go to page 4 of the thread by Veecruz, "Atheist says spirits is nothing because it's non physical and invisible"

You will find my responses to the questions there. Please come back after reading to tell me what you think, and also don't forget to ask your friend TenQ the reason for the questions . He has refused to answer directly.

TenQ:
Is it UNTRUE that every Figure of Speech must be interpreted?


This is exactly what you've done!

Every
figure of speech is interpreted correctly by those who understand it, and must be interpreted by everyone who wants to know what it refers to.

I asked you what figure of speech is contained in the statement " Her grief is tangible"? Figures of speech have names. So don't just say it's a figure of speech and end it there.

Is it a simile, metaphor, hyperbole?

TenQ:
I know more about softwares or hardware than you ever think you know and this is why we are having problems with understanding BASIC things that need no argument.

Im not challenging on software and the discussion here is not about that.

Everyone understands what you're saying,but the question we keep asking you here is what's the point of all this display to show you know more than others?

Let me come down with you to ground zero and make basic explanations (which you can confirm about the software written i any machine)

Basic information about Information and Data written on Any Hardware
1. Softwares in a memory device is usually recorded in formated forms using appropriate file system format of disk partitions with data all in binary format on magnetic devices as magnetic North or South polarity, in Flash memories as ON or OFF in array of memory cells made from floating-gate transistors, in Optical Disks as Good or Bad Reflectance from microscopic data pits and lands arranged in a spiral track on the disk's surface etc.

2. The Recorded data on the memory devices do NOT add nor subtract any Material (such as atoms, molecules, electrons etc) from the physical device

3. If the File system on a memory device is NOT recognised by a machine, the data on it doesn't exist to the machine because it is NOT recognisable.

4. The same applies to the format in which a software is compiled on a memory device: even if the filesystem is recognized and the format in which the software is compiled on the machine is NOT, the software is NOT recognised. Like a software compiled for Windows OS will not run on a Mac or an Android or a Linux device (Unless we use an Emulator to translate the compiled code to the appropriate instruction format for the target OS)

5. Data or Information is erased from an appropriate hardware by either overwriting the data with random binary data or re-writing a new (different) memory partition on the memory device.
6. Since Data on a physical device Exist BUT is NOT physical, then it is NOT Tangible


Do these make sense or which one do you disagree with?

. Please take all of the above to the right section or connect it with the op, spirit. You're derailing the thread if you don't want to be honest.

@TenQ . Since you want to continue fooling yourself,see you blunder fully explained below.

This was your original question.

TenQ:
The question is valid:

Example:
IF the apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the prescence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60 kg use to jump up by 1.1 m?

The above was what I described as hypothetical situation or question.

You replied later by removing the "if" to make it read exactly like this below,


"The apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1. 1m?


Removing "if " here has made it meaningless and incoherent.

The question contains two clauses, a subordinate clause and a main clause
The first statement in the question with an "if" is a conditional clause, the subordinate clause, preceding the main clause,

"how much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1.1m". (Main clause)

The conditional clause is very mobile and can be moved to the final position of that original question you asked and it will still make sense like below.


"How much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1.1m if the apparent gravitational pull on the moon is reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it?"
This is very correct.


But see what happened when you stupidly remove the "if" to make it real in your ignorance that you knew what you were doing.


How much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1.1m the apparent gravitational pull on the moon is reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it?


So you see that by removing the "if" you have rendered the original incoherent. And because the conditional clause came first in the original question ,was why there was a, punctuation mark before the main clause. After it was taken to the end the comma was not needed.

I wanted to ignore you concerning this grammatical blunder of yours, but since you keep bringing up as if I was the one who has the problem, I decided to .

English language is your problem and that's why you struggle to understand what everyone has been explaining for you

TenQ:
You throw tantrums like a child

See how much your How much is... argument was easily torn down

Question:
Take this N1000 and get me a loaf of bread of N800: How much change will you return to me?

There's enough evidence here that you're the expert of throwing tantrums everywhere. Perfect example was your reply to Francistown. It's was purely emotional reaction all through. Nothing reasonable

Name calling, insults and false accusations won't help you win an argument. It will only show you're losing the debate and frustrated.

TenQ:
Good.

Only an insane person require a physical proof for a software in a machine.

This is representative of everything that Exists but not Tangible
i[b]
Do you abree with me that It is insanity or gross ignorance to say:
. i] Show me gravity?
What is the weight of gravity?
What is gravity made up from? /i]i[/b]

or

Do you abree with me that It is insanity or gross ignorance to say:
[i]Show me Consciousness (Life) ?
What is the weight of Consciousness (Life)?
What is Consciousness (Life) made up from?

Please don't misconstrue what I said. I emphasized that when talking about softwares alone,it doesn't make sense,but we all know that you're talking of spirit or God indirectly . So it makes sense to ask for prove or some form of physical quantification. The day you understand this is the day you stop believing





You want to be clever by half, but you failed again.
Take all your questions about software,to the right section and see if you won't be called mad by experts there.

Focus on the OP please

Modified. No one who's informed about the bolded will ever ask those questions. But someone who's not informed about spirit has not done anything wrong to ask. He wants to know what's spirit which you have been ruining away from defining directly, but hiding cowardly behind a software to do so

TenQ:
Omotola Jalade Ekeinde
Richard Mofe-Damijo
Will Smith

Are ALL good actors: They are bereaved : so we ask the questions

A Good Actor is expressing Grief: can you measure its weight?

A Good Actor is Crying: can you measure the weight of his Grief?

Can you tell the difference?

Go and learn the difference between a good actor faking grief and someone not acting experiencing it directly. Because you don't know this difference is why you continue to fool yourself.
Why can't you talk about what's real?

An actor faking grief is fully aware of what he or she is doing. That's faking it. So it cannot be real, no matter the tears coming from the eyes. That only shows the person is very good at acting.

TenQ:
Then every question you ask including: What do actors do? is hypothetical.


What is wrong in admitting a misconception rather than stay with Flasehood.


Is LIFE (aka Consciousness) a TANGIBLE reality or NOT?

Please look up the meaning of hypothetical situation and come back and tell me my question was an hypothetical situation too.

You're talking to your self about misconception. You don't know what's hypothetical situation. Your edit of you question where you removed "if" is a confirmation of that.

It's one thing to accuse someone of something and another thing to prove it. I just proved what I accused you of concerning hypothetical situation, but you can't even for once prove all of your false claims about me.

Modified. Someone here shared something about Dunning Kruger effect. Please Google it and read what it means. It will help you a lot

TenQ:
Apart from human experience about the programming of software and how it interacts with the machine, is there any PHYSICAL evidence that softwares exist in a machines memories?

Softwares in a machine are NOT physically detectable by any means: you need another software to detect them (speaking of a circular problem)

How do you know for certain that the Brain has NO software programming of its own?

Talking about softwares alone ,and not spirits, why would any sane person request for "physical evidence"for a software in a machine to know it exist ? Who does that? Your questions are very silly.

You don't want to tell the truth.Continue to play the ostrich while every other part of your body is exposed.

Be courageous and come out to talk about God or spirits. Stop hiding behind a software. Everyone can see you hiding there.

TenQ:
Your problem is that you will rather insist on falsehood than admit the truth that goes against your position.

Speaking of one who doesnt understand English; "how much energy will"

Watch this similar Question:
Take this N1000 and get me a loaf of bread of N800: How much change will you return to me?

This is another hypothetical question by your royal eminence!


Who is the Dundee United?

You are just stupid. What truth do you know that goes against my position. Mention one and let's see how .You're very good at making empty statements to cover for your ignorance.

The statement in quote was to show I was quoting part of your question . You didn't understand it because you don't know what quotation marks are used for in English language.
Dundee United

And BTW what's the point of all these wayward questions ?

Did you skip your medications?

TenQ:
How can you know that the Actor is not Acting?


Can an Actor not experience Grief?

A Good Actor is expressing Grief: can you measure its weight?

A Good Actor is Crying: can you measure the weight of his Grief?

Something is really wrong with you.

What do actors do for God sake!

Grief is an individual's emotional reaction to real pain or what causes pain.No actor ever feels real pain except when they're not acting.

And why asking me the weight of grief ? Did I ever tell it has weight like matter?

Grief is tangible because it can be felt intensely. You're blinded by the word, grief, and not the reality it describes. And I have described it, and you can't see because you deliberately choose not to open your eyes to see.


If you're not satisfied with my explanations, you can use Google or chat box to understand how grief is tangible.

TenQ:
Let me bring you to ground zero


1. Do realities exist that are not Tangible?

Instead of you to critically respond to I what explained, you have decided to deflect again.

I already answered the question about intangible realities. So I'm not going to answer it again this time .If you say you didn't see that's your cup of tea or you go back to where I answered it to see how you even responded .

I think you have a problem remembering things or you struggle to understand what's explained in simple English language. The later is obviously your problem as can be seen from your replies to others here on this board.

TenQ:
The problem with you is that you hold a seriously deficient position and no amount of reeducation will you adopt.

Now we say: Lets put your claim to test and you are still hesitant.

A Good Actor is acting out Grief: can you measure its weight?

. Is an actor really grieving or pretending to be?

Why do you want to measure what's not real , but mere pretence, acting . There's no real grief there and so nothing to measure. Why can't you understand this?

Talk of a situation where an individual is grieving for real not an actor. You want to set a trap for yourself not me.

jaephoenix:
U can determine the extent of grief by observing the reaction. Some express grief by just moping at space, some cry, some roll on the floor. These are degrees of expression of grief
Any other questions, stupido!?

It's very obvious now that TenQ has a problem with comprehension. He struggles to understand what is explained to him in English language.

Emusan:
No attempt on these questions especially this number 4 since!

It has been answered, but your friend won't accept the answers .

The questions are even needless. Nobody ever ask those before using a software. He has an agenda he's denying .

Tell him to tell you the actual reason behind the questions. He has refused to answer directly.

TenQ:
Like:
Her Grief was tangible!


1. Is this an objective judgement?
2. What is the value of Grief that will make it tangible?

Your royal majesty seems not to know what a figure of speech is: do you?

Her grief was tangible is not a figure of speech.

When you see someone seriously grieving, you can describe it as tangible. A tangible grief is one that's intensely felt and seen by others watching you. That's the meaning


You only know one meaning of tangible and that's the problem you have.

If you say it's a figure of speech,then mention what figure of speech it's. Figures of speech have names.

TenQ:
Did you go to school at all?

Okay: Its a matter of English Language
The apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60 kg use to jump up by 1.1 m?


Can you tell us a day when your friends grief was tangible, how can you determine if his grief was more tangible than his sisters own grief?

I dey laugh 😂 . You must be smoking something.

See how you finally exposed your ignorance.
However you describe it, whether you remove the "if" or not to deceive yourself it's still hypothetical because it never did happen.

What's the actual date of the event? If you can't provide that then it's not a real or has happened.


Stop fooling yourself and just rest. Please look up the meaning of hypothetical situation before replying.

BTW what has the event,the gravitational pull and the rest got to do with grief?
Modified.
The first clause before asking "how much energy will"...... is a conditional clause, but you stupidly remove the "if" because you don't know its function. Read the first one that has the "if" and the edited one and notice how it doesn't flow or make sense. You be Dundee united. I swear

And the same you have been calling out others for not understanding English language. Yeye they smell

TenQ:
As If I have the time to wade through EVERYTHING you have written on the Tangibility of the Soul on Nairaland.

If you are ashamed of telling me your position, why dont you just give a reference.

I said up there,not everything .

TenQ:
The question is valid:

Example:
IF the apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the prescence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60 kg use to jump up by 1.1 m?



Your kind of Answer:
"I don't want to discuss what's hypothetical."

Is this answer reasonable for the question asked?

What you describe up there is still hypothetical. It begins with an "if".
Which school u go sef?

TenQ:
A Good Actor is acting out Grief: can you measure its weight?

This is NOT a hypothetical question!

It's actually hypothetical situation, not real.

You said a good actor. What do actors do? Answer that and stop fooling yourself. Actors don't feel real pain. They only pretend to make it appear real for the audience.

Please bring a situation that's real, not illusion

TenQ:
Can you please at a cellular level give me the name and characteristics of the life in each cell that slowly ebbs away?

I am trying to learn biology from you!

Next time when you run a test in a medical lab,ask the lab scientists to show you a picture of the viruses in your system so you can use your fingers to count it one by one to be sure the viral load written on the test report is accurate.

TenQ:
Trust me.

Does one teach Quantum Chemistry or Physics to Primary school children before they have the basic knowledge of physics and chemistry?

No!

That would be wrong .But you're
not teaching children but adults who may know it more than you.

Your problem is that you haven't been able to show the connection between the two subjects, software and spirit . You haven't even defined spirits.

How do we then know you're capable of teaching it?

Or we should just submit our brains to you like the sheepies in your church to fill it with nonsense?

. Where's your credentials to know you're an authority on the subject of spirits?

You just don't walk into any school and announce yourself a teacher of something and demand you are employed immediately. You will need to present your credentials first ,and demonstrate you are capable of teaching the children. So do the same here.

Demonstrate first that a knowledge of computer softwares is basic to learning about spirits . That's all.

Until you understand that Realities exist that are not Tangible, there is no moving forward.

Moving forward to where? To the land of confusion?

You only know one thing and want to use it to interpret everything around you. All of existence doesn't revolve around a computer software. People have been discussing and teaching about spirits years before modern computers were invented. How were able to do that without a knowledge of softwares? Tell me

TenQ:
If a SOFTWARE in a Machine is TANGIBLE, should it not be measurable?


Note:
Many of your Atheist colleague believe that the Software within a Machine is Tangible. The Question was asked for their sake!

Another "if" again. You have a serious problem and you don't even know it.

I said I don't want to discuss what's hypothetical. Bring the reai thing let's discuss that

And again, I'm not an atheist. I keep reminding of this,but it seems you have memory problems

TenQ:
Is the SOul tangible?

YES or NO?

Go back and read what I said. I can't repeat myself