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Kruzilano:
abeg no vex, which sch teaches architecture for 6yrs in nigeria..

Archy program in all regular schls is 4yrs(b.sc) + 2yrs(m.sc). unlike in other professns, d basic minimum 4 professnl practice is the m.sc making d b.sc useless. almost like my m.sc= ur b.sc.

NLresidentQS:
Now here is a very good point, very matured presentation. Very good one. And I will have to reconsider my stance before moving on.

I will contact an executive at NIQS HQ. Moving on or retracting will depend on their response. I hope we have a middle point here.

Very well sir. We do.
I'm not a Q/s. I'm an Architect who just feels its imperative to protect all Professional practice.
God bless U sir.

NLresidentQS:
The world is moving to open-source knowledge. I will forgive your mild insults, sir.

The global wave now is a we-practice, no more me-practice. Let the public know. But even as much as they know, they can't ignore the services of someone trained. I beg to differ that I, as a builder of a five storey complex, will rely on my knowledge of basic estimating, basic in bold, and not employ the services of a specialist.

When Google made Android open source, hackers didn't take over. The world is better when we are all informed.

Apologies. No insults intended wt my use of sacarsm.
U seem to either live & practice abroad, in Utopia, or just blind to the challenges of professional practice in 3rd world countries. The 'we-practice' notion is innovative, liberal. & forward-thinking. But more sensible in climes wt better building practice structures not the near-jungle market experience in nigeria. Perhaps u don't know that in Nigeria, we have more clients patronizing quacks, cheap carpet-crossers and DIYs than consulting professionals.
Honestly, do u think as a Q/S, u shld be only consulted when the project is more than a 5 storey? So u are not needed in single living unit home projects?
NIA, ARCON, NSE, CORBON, NIQS etc have too much on their plate battling wt Quacks. Stop making their Jobs more herculean because u r trying to institute 1st world ideas in a 3rd world country. In a 1st world country, consulting a professional is the 1st move by clients. Here, its a last resort if @ all they Do.
Enlightening the populace is a must by all professsional bodies. But in this, I think u went too far than ws necessary. Whatever noble thing it is u are trying to do here, u just helped in breeding more quacks who wld rather attempt to do estimates by themselves rather than consult u 4 their private home projects.

Tochex101:
INFORMATION

Information for who? Building construction isn't a DIY like agriculture or some handcraft. He's doing a good job of tutoring more quacks. He deserves more than a pat in d back.

@Op, pls are U a new school leaver? what is d motive 4 this tread?
The building industry has been grappling with the inundation of overwhelming presence of quacks in every practice. How come u are shooting urself and other professionals by handing the necessary tools needed to all existing & aspiring quacks. Don't u think u owe ur profession the duty to preserve its sanctity. U shld have bn rational enough to know when 'little' becomes 'too much' Uve laid bare here the anatomy of a simple building wch is enough info 4 me. Why do I need a Q/S anymore? Thanx anyway.
Its still people like u that wld come here sometime later and complain that architects & builders are carpet-crossing into ur professional practice.

blueeyes1:
Mods abeg make una cari dis tin go where pple go read o,abeg the heat too much,make we join hand beg PHCN!

Thank u.

U better mention d 3 magic words: 'snake, bushmeat, lalasticlala & see miracle happen.

Pvictor10:
Nairaland is not gospel artist friendly.

Yea. Very true. We learnt d hard way.

Hmmm. Well done. But wait o how u do am. Ur 2 songs made FP? These mods are sooo unpredictable. My guy @hakunamatata1 has 2 singles featuring A-list gospel artists(mike abdul & kore) released here. Those treads just died in their sections even after screaming lalasticlala. Abeg wch soap u dey use? Lol!

Hmmm.

so u are saying this young man in this pix u uploaded is old enough to father a daughter in her late twenties that got married couple of years ago? Lagbaja was born in 1960. are u saying this man here is 56yrs old?
better wake up!

Buildertobadt:
E be like say Mr. ...sorry, Architect Troubleshooter don vex finish..lol. While I agree with you that the OP has gone largely presumptive in many of his points by generalizing draftsmen as core professional Architecture practice, I believe there are better and subtle ways of making your points and grievances known. We are all meant to work together towards having a more formidable and more reputable built environment industry in Nigeria and I believe this should start from the point of effective communication of ideas and suggestions. Even our touted number one industry menace, Collapsed Buildings, can be traced to poor communications and non-acknowledgement of other professional parties involvement in projects. So, as a building practitioner as well, I will plead that we spend more time educating the general public rather that casting aspersions on each other's professional practices and views. Thank you.

God bless u sir. Ur view is largely heart warming. If the Op had half of ur caution, maturity & broad-mindedness, it wld hav been a better informative thread. I wld hav loved entering this thread to see a healthy and balanced critique of the building industry and its attendant issues in Nigeria. Not the pillorying of one of its many professions in isolation. Pity!

alpontif:
You are the reason behind my decision to Log in.

I am also a Civil Engineer, Professionaly Licensed to Practice by COREN, and also a Corporate Member of the NSE.

Furthermore, I have Multiple masters Degrees in Both Housing Development and Information Technology.

More Imporatantly, I have years of experience in Infrastructure Planning, Engineering, Procurement and Construction.

The above should be enough credentials to validate anything I write from now.

No 1. An attitude of humility will take you a long way, I understand your pain, but you should at the least have addressed the message, not the messenger.

No 2. You have several Things confused, and I really dont blame you. I blame the arrogant ignorance taken for professional right that some people adopt in this Country. In this day and age, there is nothing like ''An Architect is the Head of the Project Team''. That statement is a fallacious carryover from the 60s and 70s.

Nowadays, The Architect can be the Lead of the Design Team, basically because his designs form the fundamental basis on which other Designers proceed, The Total, whole complete project is subject to the direction of a Project Manager...who is usually a Civil or Structural Engineer...(Most Projects in Dubai follow this model)

The point of correcting a drawing stems from the fact that that drawing is subject to practical reality which most Drafters fail to take into cognizance when creating plans and drawings. Professionally Trained Architects will never commit mistakes the OP pointed out, most of which
are commited by quacks, not real architects. So I agree with you on that Point.


It is Crucial that we focus on the message, not the messenger.

All due regards to your age, garnered experience, academic achievements and professional accomplishments. on the issue of humility, may i posit that you dont know me. and in a riposte such as this, humility isnt a virtue. you dont expect someone to point a maligning finger at my family and you expect humility from me. no, no. Respect is reciprocal.

I consider the Op's write up as a brazen affront and attack on the practice of Architecture by ur junior colleague. Whatever the point he was trying to make ws defeated by his indirect and negative comparison of both professions. There 101 other salient topics he cld occupy himself with within the ambit of Engineering and building construction. It is out of place morally and ethically 4 the Op to abandon his practice and embark on an open vilification of Architecture under whatever guise.
No matter how smart a dog is, it can't watch over 2 separated compounds. That is the genesis of all the brouhaha. I expect that u r more knowledgeable in this matter and I can't see anywhere u made any attempt to put him in order. Oh! because he's ur colleague? U rather commit ur resources to taking me up. This fuels my disappointment.
I welcome ur critique of me. They are mature but not balanced. For that I have rejoinders and I would have loved to rub minds and exchange ideas more with u but choose to refrain because Your bias 4 one of ur own is quite conspicuous.
Pls sir, if we r to fulfill ur mantra what is the Op's message we shld focus on:? That 70% of Architects' drawings are crap? That architects drawings are always riddled with errors and its engineers that correct it 4 them?
I hope u have an idea of the number of young minds here and those who will employ goggle and come up with this crap only to take it hook, line and sinker as their own facts ending up being informed with errors? look @ the 1st page and see many pple who don't know much and are willing to learn being misinformed. Its appalling. I will never sit back and watch the banal canibalisation Of my noble profession by a sister professional albeit for vain advert purposes. There's no justification for it and I won't take that lying down. I owe Architecture that duty.
I trust u wld feel the Same too if I had created a topic here to pillage the Engineering profession. Something like , "VERY IMPORTANT: MISTAKES CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERS MAKE!!!" And I start by declaring that I'm an Architect and propound that 70% of the engineering jobs I've seen are rubbish and that I unilaterally correct their rubbish and I start schooling engineers on how to do their Jobs...... Haba! Pls do well to shoot urself with that gun and tell us (Architects) how it feels. In this case, the self serving messenger is as repugnant as his treasonal message.

oapeleo:
I dare you to upload your recent project. Lemme see.

I won't dignify you with that opportunity as you have expended that lifeline. But believe it or not I'm not just an architect, I'm a writer, a critic, a fabricator as well as a composer cutting across most facets of Art with over 10yrs PQE. I won't demean myself so badly b4 an engineer who patronizes quacks. But if u need references, ....
1. The Dining hall and student Hostel, Reagent school, Abuja
2. RCCG LP29 headquarters Alagbado
3. Royal Bliss Hotel, Ajah
4. Over 20 residential buildings....the type of which u vaingloriously revel in on this thread.

oapeleo:
Troubleshooter's problem is just English language
I said and I quote
". You should have enough space between the building and the fence. Don't ever use 1m or less. Only If you want water to flow from your roof to the next compound or flowers to grow into it"

I didn't say you should use 1m, and your "people like him statement" hmmmm I rest my case.

Anyway well trained architects have a lot of work to do. To remove quarks and save me the time to post my observations.

Don't ever use 1m or less but u can use 1.2, 1.5, 2.1? they are all not less than 1m but are they right?........so you can see who has a problem with english language? i cant change u. pls continue in ur immaturity and ignorance. but no matter how u try, u cant bring Architecture down.

ademoladeji:
Chief Architect, kindly read up all posts above and fish out where insults were dropped. Someone might be ignorant of another profession but I think it's better to get ourselves enlightened rather than insulting.

I'm not offended bros, we're all learning one way or the other.

Lemme ask you these questions:

1. What are the roles of NIA and ARCON in the architectural practices in Nigeria?

2. What will you say about those 'Architects' that are encroaching the M&E profession by making the M&E drawings themselves

I just needed to be enlightened on those two. No attacks please.

I end up correcting 70% of any architectural drawing given to me to develop. The reason is because architect drawings are almost always not achievable or realistic.
the above statement, to highlight a few, i find repulsive and a direct attack on architectural practice. by extrapolation, hes saying 70% of architects are crap! this is the reason for my sharp rejoinders. they are meant not to attack Engineering practice but to call the OP to order. bear in mind that there is a branch in architecture called CRITIQUE. we do critique of our works being aware that no design is error proof. but it is not in the OP's place with limited experience to do a critique of not a project but the entire Architectural practice in Nigeria on one hand while glorifying engineering practice on the other! thats quite an affront and you all his colleagues shld call him to order. thats immature.

on ur no1 question, i wont come here to pillory NIA and ARCON on how effective they have been playing their roles. its an in-house matter no need washing it in public.
on ur 2nd question, the way the building industry in Nigeria, many professionals do carpet crossing into other professions. i dont support it. i dont do it. but untill we have a well structured building industry with well delineated roles, theres little we can do about it.

ademoladeji:
Young man, make your case without INSULT please.

Old man, my rejoinder is a mere reaction to a brazen insult on my noble profession which I don't handle with kid gloves. & pls do not be offended cause I owe the practice that duty. Rather I think you should call the Op to order to mind his Engineering business. He shld rather hav talked about the building industry not scape-goating Architecture.

ChelseaDr:
Op in as much as l admire your courage to put up this piece, l also think you are just trying to advertise yourself which shouldn't be. l'm neither an engineer nor an architect but l think it is against the code of engineering ethics to start advertising ones work or capabilities .lt is only quacks that do that.

Architects are wonderful people who dwell in the realm of the impossible, they believe that all things are possible and it can only take an engineer who also believes in doing the impossible to achieve such. Architects are great people and l admire them may be because l also love drawing and designs.

There are quacks everywhere it is even worse in the medical profession. Op l think it is overstepping your limits to try to correct what an Architect has done, it should be a team work not a show of superiority.

troubleshooter l hail oo, easy easy my man.

I hail u too sir. So sorry u met me here flying off my handle. Was just angered waking up to see this brazen assault on Architecture by some God-knows-who engineer wey sabi finish.

thewatcher2020:
Funny how Builders cum Engineers are quick to throw Architects under the bus. As a matter of Principle, Every building I designed back in Nigeria, I inform the clients upfront that I NOMINATE the engineer(s) for all my design and construction works. This is simple because so many Engineers out there are so damnnnnn LAZY! Gosh!

I once designed the private residence of a SS governor back in 2009. During construction, his brother- an Engineer came around and started screaming "What kind of rubbish design is this, you people want to kill somebody". I received a call from Lagos that this buffoon has instructed the people on ground to "knack columns and drop beams everywhere" for safety reasons. The Governor wanted a big hall where he could host VIPs regularly within his mansion. I as an Architect, I HATE COLUMNS OBSTRUCTING VIEWS INSIDE LIVING SPACE- its actually my pet peeve. So, I flew in and sent a message to the Client- the Governor that his comic brother should be taken off my site if my competency is still being valued with respect to the project. He called back and I explained everything to him. I went to the site the following day, the man started telling me how he has been practicing Engineering before I ventured into Architectural school and all bullshit.

To cut the story short, the building is still standing very firm today all post-construction stability tests conducted not only certified the building excellent but got recommendations. I shouldn't be teaching Engineers their jobs, we simply used inverted beams in most locations to hide the ugly proposed drop-beams which I believe to be an elementary solution that should be on the fingertips of "mr experience".

The underlying truth here is- Most engineers in Nigeria are comfortable with the default matchbox designs with columns and beams everywhere hence the complaints against Architects for their self-imposed mental deficiency.

PEACE!

May you make Heaven!

1st of all, the Hogwash u put up here shld be retitled 'MISTAKES DRAUGHTSMEN MAKE'.
If u are not a quack and truly a registered engineer (as u so claim) u Shld know better that this rubbish presentation is against ur COREN ethics of professional practice. An Architect is the head of a project team and u correct his drawings?!!!.... Under what moral authority?
Buildings are falling down all over lagos & u haven't deemed it fit to address that log in ur eye, rather u occupy urself with the vain pursuit of removing a speck in the eye of some profession u know nothing about.
Come to think of it, so u think this trash u put up equates to what is taught in 6yrs of architecture school?
With all ur hallowed experience u deem it fit that a 1metre setback is Better than the 3m as contained in building bye-laws? U are a wonder! Pity the ignorant public cld still applaud ur quackness.
Pple like u are the reason why we are where we are as a country. Jack of many trades, master of zilch.

Kind of leaders we get. Pity.

This ur story get as e be

This country is a banana republic. SMH!

God catch am. Pls judge, lock him away 4 a Very long time!

Wailers r not going to like this. the US are probably Apc zombies too.

Source pls?

You try. U r like Dangote

idupaul:
I remember him when he fought for an artist who had kidney issues ..the irony is that the artiste is still alive while this story says he is dead ..I hope this is not true

How do you know he smokes

I don't need to tell u how. If u r close to him u wld know. That ws my pix wt him so u know.

Hmmmmm. With the way he smokes, I'm sad but not suprised. RIP bro.

Red is my blood YNWA!

hakunamatata1:
Thanx bro. Believe me, making. A video no be beans o. It ws daunting & tasking so much. Its an immense project my brother. Its all d more painful when u share it here & the mods prefer a girl who's showing the leggings she wore to church on d front page than these genuine sweat of ours. Its well anyway. God still glorifies himself.

Egbon, u r nt alone. in this era when anything makes fp, it is injustice 4 things worth their salt to b ignored. pity. how do u see d mods them? its what interests them that hits d fp. as u can see.

Welldone bros. more power to ur elbow. may ur oil never dry. hope 4 more videos soon sha. this 1 took a while.