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truthman2012:
No muslim has proved that it was God that sent Muhammad to bring islam after Jesus had said it is the Gospel that should be preached till the end of the world.

truthman2012:
Allah must be very weak. He said NOTHING can change his words (Quran 6:115) and yet he allowed the church to get rid of them. Men prevailed against him.

gatiano:
I hope you read through to understand the true faith of the ancient people, The Black people.

9jaforlife:
We have compared them and we choose to remain with our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him), no matter how much lies they fabricate against him. Should there be any problem with that RELIGION IS BY CHOICE!

The impossible mission of bigots like Ifeann aka parisbookaddict to FORCE CHRISTIANITY on Muslims has failed from the beginning, and will fail till eternity!!

MrOlai:
Swear by ur life if u,ve not had sex with different men! Shameless animal!

MrOlai:
@parisbookaddict a.k.a Ifeannm.
You see ur life! U were banned on nairaland & u went to open another pseudo name. U initially claimed u're a male. Now u're claiming female, ur original gender. Liar!

U keep sleeping with different men like animal hiding under d shade of religion, yet, u always come here to create problems between peaceful christains & muslims!

For as long as u continuue to create d problems in our society, u'll never have peace in ur life in Jesus name! Oloriburuku! U'll soon be banned again!

Empiree:
Lol, i knew you would say that. That's my next task cus i know you don't understand

true2god:
Empiree will accuse you of quoting a 'weak' hadith as long as it doesn't speak well of Islam.

To butress your point, I have certain questions and answers.

Did christian europe participated in slave trade? Yes.

Did muslim arabs participated in slave trade? Yes.

Have christian europe apologized for that slave trade crime? Yes.

Have muslim arab apologize for that slave trade crime? No.

Have european authors written books condemning the slave trade era? Yes.

Have muslim authors written books condemning arab roles in slave trade? No

have the european christians done many films demonizing\condemning slavery? Yes.

Have muslims done any film demonzing and condemning slavery? No.

REASON: Any attempt by any muslim\arab at doing the above will be an indirect indictment against the islamic prophet who fully and actively participated in slave trade.

true2god:
Empiree will accuse you of quoting a 'weak' hadith as long as it doesn't speak well of Islam.

To butress your point, I have certain questions and answers.

Did christian europe participated in slave trade? Yes.

Did muslim arabs participated in slave trade? Yes.

Have christian europe apologized for that slave trade crime? Yes.

Have muslim arab apologize for that slave trade crime? No.

Have european authors written books condemning the slave trade era? Yes.

Have muslim authors written books condemning arab roles in slave trade? No

have the european christians done many films demonizing\condemning slavery? Yes.

Have muslims done any film demonzing and condemning slavery? No.

REASON: Any attempt by any muslim\arab at doing the above will be an indirect indictment against the islamic prophet who fully and actively participated in slave trade.

malvisguy212:
muhammed is a false prophet;

Qur'an 69:44-46 And if he (Muhammad)
had forged a false saying concerning Us
We surely should have seized him by his
right hand (or with power and might),
and then certainly should have cut off
his life artery (AORTA). [Hilali-Khan]

So if Muhammad had been a false
prophet and a liar and a deceiver, we
know how Allah would've killed him—
Allah would've cut his aorta. As long as
no one severs Muhammad's AORTA
Guess what?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 The Prophet in
his ailment in which he DIED, used to
say, "O Aishah! I still feel the pain
caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and
at this time, I feel as if my AORTA is being cut from that poison."

Meaning he is a false prophet
Note:this is from Islamic source

malvisguy212:
muhammed is a false prophet;

Qur'an 69:44-46 And if he (Muhammad)
had forged a false saying concerning Us
We surely should have seized him by his
right hand (or with power and might),
and then certainly should have cut off
his life artery (AORTA). [Hilali-Khan]

So if Muhammad had been a false
prophet and a liar and a deceiver, we
know how Allah would've killed him—
Allah would've cut his aorta. As long as
no one severs Muhammad's AORTA
Guess what?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 The Prophet in
his ailment in which he DIED, used to
say, "O Aishah! I still feel the pain
caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and
at this time, I feel as if my AORTA is being cut from that poison."

Meaning he is a false prophet
Note:this is from Islamic source

Empiree:
Christian views on slavery are varied both regionally and historically. Slavery in various forms has been a part of the social environment for much of Christianity's history, spanning well over eighteen centuries. In the early years of Christianity, slavery was a normal feature of the economy and society in the Roman Empire, and this persisted in different forms and with regional differences well into the Middle Ages.[1] Most Christian figures in that early period such as Saint Augustine, accepted slavery as an inevitability whereas some, such as Saint Patrick (a former slave), were opposed to it. Both the Old Testament and New Testament treat slavery as a given, to the extent of (in the case of the Old Testament) laying down regulations for its "just" practice. Historically this has presented a challenge for Christians advocating against slavery. Generally speaking, up until the 18th century Christianity accepted slavery, but had no public opinion for or against it. Eighteen centuries after the birth of Christianity (in the context of a particularly savage and rapacious slave system), the abolition movement took shape across the globe, groups who advocated slavery's abolition struggled to use Christian teachings in support of their positions. Instead they turned from the specific references to the practice in the tradition to a more general appeal to concepts such as 'the spirit of Christ', and textual argumentation.[2]
The issue of Christianity and slavery is therefore one that has seen intense conflict. In the eighteenth and nineteenth century debates in the UK and the US passages in the Bible were used by both pro-slavery advocates and abolitionists to support their respective views.

The video provides proper understanding of "slavery" in islam. And what's the countries you mentioned up there got to do with islam?. I dont know why you people trying to cover up slave trade established the name of Christianity that affected the whole. Too late for you to come up with bogus excuses. You basically trying to indict islam. smh for you man

davidylan:
my brother, long time. I pop in here once in a while now. More responsibilities means less time to devote to NL.

true2god:
So hadith is now reliable when it comes slaves matter but you will quickly dismiss it if we quote aspects that are unfavourable to the image of islam. That is double standard.

The fact still remains that islam actively involves and supported slavery.

Empiree:
No, thats not the case. Remember i said earlier that Quran recognized Arabs were into some sorts of slave business before the advent of prophet muhammad(saw). Islam slowly abolished it. For instance, the treatment of slave prior to advent of islam was different when Muhammad proclaimed his prophethood. Bilal ibn Rabah is typical example of this. A slave who became the first man to call to prayer. He was also scholar.

The slavery system which had plagued the whole world upon the advent of Islam. Any attempt to suddenly prevent such a deep-rooted system from various societies would then have caused the social, political, as well as economic life to have been vehemently shaken.

Consequently, the divine wisdom was to work towards restricting the sources of slavery or blocking the avenues leading to enslavement whenever possible. In the same vein, as Islam restricted the streams feeding slavery, it expanded its drains in a way that can be understood as a gradual act of cancelling.

Below are just few of Muhammad's advice for slave owners....and read further from my reply to tru2god

Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them.
Source: Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38–40; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124

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Ali reported that the last words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, were: "The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves ! "
Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 158.

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Jabir ibn 'Abdullah said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, advised that slaves should be well-treated. He said, 'Feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear. Do not punish what Allah has created.' "

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 188.


Sallam ibn 'Amr reported from one of the Companions of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Your slaves are your brothers, so treat him well. Ask for their help in what is too much for you and help them in what is too much for them."

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 190.

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The slave has his food and clothing. Do not burden a slave with work which he is incapable of doing."
Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 192.

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Not one of you should [ when introducing someone ] say ‘This is my slave’ , ‘This is my concubine’. He should call them ‘my daughter’ or ‘my son’ or ‘my brother’.

Source: Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 2 ,4

"The masters were obliged not to put slaves under hardship; slaves were not to be tortured, abused or treated unjustly. They could marry among “themselves with their master's permission - or with free men or women ! They could appear as witnesses and participate with free men in all “affairs. Many of them were appointed as governors, commanders of army and administrators. In the eyes of Islam, a pious slave has precedence over “an impious free man." Source: Al-Tabataba'i, Tafsir ( vol.16, pp. 338-358 )

The Prophet, had stipulated in his "last pilgrimage" speech:

"And your slaves ! see that you feed them such food as you eat yourselves and dress them what you yourself wear. And if they commit a “mistake which you are not inclined to forgive then sell them, for they are the servants of Allah and are not to be tormented! "

Source: Ibn Sa'd, op. cit., vol. II:1, p. 133

"Serve God, and join not any partners with Him ; and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours “who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the way-farer (ye meet), And what your right hands possess : for God loveth not the arrogant, the “vainglorious" Surah An Nisa, verse 36

The phrase "What your right hands possess" refers to one’s slaves (male and female). Allah swt ordains the kind treatment of slaves in the same verse where He commands man to worship Him and to treat his parents, relations and neighbors generously, and this signifies the importance of this ruling.

Definition of "slave" in Islam is different from common meaning today. Unfortunately, we use same word, slave. We long derailed this thread. Op's target was about Christianity though

Empiree:
You just threading. You have no idea what you quoted. Qur'an doesn't say earth is flat. I posted on this here https://www.nairaland.com/2153126/top-ten-signs-youre-fundamentalist/2#down

AllNaijaBlogger:
Where is Empiree?

True2God, keep firing. Let's see if Empiree will claim "anti-islamic sources" as a defence

Empiree:
You not serious at all. Getting back to you on this. Busy now. Middle East itself was victim of (at least White)Christians, colony/slavery. Even Catholics bought and sold Somalian Christians to Arabs and White. The effect is still there today. Again, I will not deny Arab at some point slaved others because Quran recognized it and abolished slavery altogether. That's why you see in the Quran where God says "free slaves" repeatedly for various sins committed by men like murder etc. Brb later.

davidylan:
lol this thread is a joke. Too many uneducated people who have an easier time regurgitating conspiracy theories and propaganda... all in the name of "science" and common sense of course. Ask them to discuss the science and they tell you they can't be bothered to teach you. The two-faced, hypocritical nature of the response is that they still have plenty of time to indulge in nonsensical "religion bad" memes.

Empiree:
Then take your time to relate with them cus i dont know why you even questioning me about them.

And whatever Arab slave masters did in Africa was clearly not as terrible as White Christians did. Arabs' attempts on Africa was strictly restricted to N. Africa and maybe Eastern EU. Unlike Christianity, that's complete slavery and colonization of not only countries but continents: Middle East, Africa, Asia and Caribbean and even South America. So basically the whole world. That's Christianity for you.

Besides, Islam itself forbids people from taking slaves or people against their will. Islam does recognized Arabs involved in slavery but gradually abolished it until revelation of Qur'an was complete. Now that Qur'an is complete and prophet delivered the message and passed it's forbidden for anyone to own slaves Any muslim who does that in modern time does it at his own mischief

Liekiller:
The root of Africa's undervelopment today IS colonialism. The destruction of entire societies and cultures was by no means a "liberation", and it's a terrible thing to say that. I'm not denying that a lot has gone wrong after it ended too, but the root lingers on and doesn't help matters. The religious madness we see today is a symptom as well as a cause of underdevelopment. I certainly don't say atheism is the solution to this. It's not, and it's not even my goal to change anyone's belief. But: increasing fanaticism is a huge worry nowadays. Ironically, this variety of Christianity is strongly supported, imported and financed by outlandish churches in the US. So, according to you the "liberation" continues. And I can tell you I'm not happy about it.

Empiree:
Leave him alone

Empiree:
Your creed is crooked though. Alhamdulilah, am okay.