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Islam › Re: A Thread For Christians And Muslims. Dont Move It Plz... by true2god: 9:41pm On Mar 01, 2017
EazyMoh:
Yes!
So long by calling with those names at the back of your mind you are referring to the most high God as the one Who created everything and everyone, and only Him deserve to be worshiped.
You are absolutely on the right path. Muslims don't have a problem referring to Allah as God or Ubangiji when communicating in English or Hausa respectively.
Now answer my question.
If you go to hajj please say loudly 'there is no god but olorun and mohammed is his prophet' and come back and see what will happen to you. Stop deceiving yourself, you wont come back alive if you dare try that in saudi arabia or iran. You cant be more islamic that mohammed or the saudis. The saudis fully have a better understanding that allahh is different from the yoruba deity called 'olorun'.

Thats my piece of advice for you.
Islam › Re: A Thread For Christians And Muslims. Dont Move It Plz... by true2god: 9:04pm On Mar 01, 2017
Auki:
You are not creating this thread to learn.

You make up ur mind to ridicule your creator.

Seek knowledge honestly. Rage against Islam religion will not help you.

I wish you realized the truth before your final seconds here on earth.

Hell will be your eternal abode if you don't make amend.
Which creator, do you mean allahh? Thats a millenia joke. Can you show me a quranic verse that says mohammed is going to heaven?

The sole prophet of allahh is mohammed. No any real prophet has business with allahh except mohammed, and Islam starts and ends with mohammed.
Islam › Re: A Thread For Christians And Muslims. Dont Move It Plz... by true2god: 8:16pm On Mar 01, 2017
EazyMoh:
Yoruba and Igbo have been using Oluwa and Chineke respectively to refer to the most high God, since before they come in contact with Christianity. Does that mean they are now referring to a pagan god when they call on Oluwa or Chineke in church?
Do you mean I can say 'there is no god but chukwu and mohammed is his prophet' (as an Igbo man)? Can I say 'there is no god but Olorun and mohammed is his prophet (as a yoruba man)? Let me learn please.
Islam › Re: A Thread For Christians And Muslims. Dont Move It Plz... by true2god: 1:54pm On Mar 01, 2017
plappville:
Exactly.
Mohammed's father's name is abdullah (slave of allahh) ibn abdulmutalib. This name alone give us an idea of the god Mohammed served, that is the god of his ancestors which is allahh.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 1:46pm On Mar 01, 2017
patmen:
www.inthenameofallah.org/Booty%20Plunder%20&%20Loot%20in%20%20Muhammad's%20Islam.html
This can be found in quran 8:41 where allahh and his apostle (Mohammed) are entitled to 20% of war booty. War booty, zakat, sadaqa and jizya are the major sources of financing Mohammed and his sahabas. Mohammed, after the death of khadijah, survive through war booty from gwazwa raids of infidels. They have no any economic and legitimate means of sustaining themselves.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 8:39am On Mar 01, 2017
true2god:
Muhammad personally beheads over 600 Jewish prisoners of war on page 494.
Muhammad orders the torturing of treasurer of Khaybar tribe, Kinana on page 515.

Sahih bukhari also reported this Mohammed's invasion of the Jewish tribe of khaybar and his subsequent 'marriage' to saffiyya. Note that safiya was a prisoner captured by Mohammed's men as a war booty. Also note that safiyya was also betrothed to kinana before Mohammed's men killed him which paved the way for Mohammed's marriage to saffiya. It will be interesting to note that, according to the Quran, the waiting period before a marriage can be consummated between a man and a divorced woman is 3months. Let's see the Quranic injunctions below:

Divorced women should keep themselves in waiting (before remarrying) three cources; and it is not lawful for them to conceal what God has created in their wombs, if they believe in God and last day; and their husbands have more right of taking them back during this, if they want reconciliation; they have (rights) similar to against them and men are a degree above them; and God is mighty and wise

(Al-Quran 2:228)

In surah Al-Ahzab it is stated:

O ye who believe! When ye marry believing women then divorce them before touching them then there is no iddah, you have reckon with.

(Al-Quran 33:49)

They above law was broken as shown below when Mohammed and his sahabas invaded the Jewish town of khaybar:

Narrated Abdul Aziz:
Anas said, "When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there (early in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet. He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, ‘Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.’ He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, ‘Muhammad (has come).’ (Some of our companions added, ‘With his army.’) We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, ‘O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.’ The Prophet said, ‘Go and take any slave girl.’ He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Allah's Apostle! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.’ So the Prophet said, ‘Bring him along with her.’ So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, ‘Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.’" Anas added: "The Prophet then manumitted her and married her."

Thabit asked Anas, "O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?" He said, "Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her." Anas added, "While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet. So the Prophet was a bridegroom and he said, ‘Whoever has anything (food) should bring it.’ He spread out a leather sheet (for the food) and some brought dates and others cooking butter. (I think he (Anas) mentioned As-Sawaq). So they prepared a dish of Hais (a kind of meal). And that was Walima (the marriage banquet) of Allah's Apostle." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367)

Narrated Anas bin Malik

When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.
Ishaq page 511

The Prophet conquered Khaybar by force after fighting. Khaybar was something that Allah gave as booty to His Messenger. He took one-fifth of it and divided the remainder among the Muslims.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 8, p. 130

The above quotations are 100% Islamic sources. If we repudiate Ibn Ishaq, as being unreliable, did bukhari or al-tabari make thing smoother and better? If all Islamic sources did not present Mohammed in a positive light, how about the Koran?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 5:17am On Mar 01, 2017
tbaba1234:
An Islamic source that is not considered reliable by the vast majority of Muslims.

It is not everything a Muslim writes that we take authority from.
Since you have repudiated some of the works of Ibn Ishaq as 'unreliable', do you have 100% confidence in sahih Bukhari?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 4:36am On Mar 01, 2017
tbaba1234:
Imam Malik condemned him, went as far as to call him a liar.

Imam Hanbal labeled his work as unreliable.

Those are the Imams of 2 of the 4 largest school of thoughts in Islam.

That is the position of the Muslims. Now you can go ahead and spread your propaganda
How do you mean by propaganda when I am quoting an Islamic source that's considered valid in the Islamic world? Can you go to Saudi and tell a Saudi man that Ibn Ishaq's biography on Mohammed is filled with lies and distortions? You probably know the consequence.

If Ibn Ishaq is a Christian, your argument might be valid but he is the oldest Islamic historian I am aware of and his work is used throughout the Islamic world.

However, since you seem to repudiate most of Ibn Ishaq's work, do you have a complete belief in sahih Bukhari's hadith? Sahih Bukhari is the most widely used Islamic source material second only to the Quran, do you have 100% confidence in the hadith collections of Bukhari?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 9:13pm On Feb 28, 2017
policy12:
Bros respect sir, pls how else can you strengthen the faith of a new convert from Islam to Christ.God bless u: you do make my day with ur write up and makes me love Christ the more.

Bros what of if u do a book on ur write up.

Love u with the love of Christ if we don't see hers on earth I Op we will meet at heaven.
Thank you brother. I will advise you an email to contact me on your first request, pls remind me tomorrow or later.

On writing a book on this subject, that's a great idea but for now let me limit my works to social media. Writing a book critical to Mohammed and Islam can easily expose one to danger. Safety first. If God approves that I write a book on this topic, I will do that. However I don't have that plan for now unless otherwise directed by God.

You don't fight God's battle.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 9:01pm On Feb 28, 2017
tbaba1234:
So yes, Ibn Ishaq is an important reference but only Islamophobes pick on his unverifiable stories to drive home their agenda.
Your statement here is contradictory. While you praised the work of Ibn Ishaq on the biography of Mohammed, you also claimed that some of his stories are unverifiable. How can you say a man's work is an important point of reference and at the same time condemn his work? I don't understand this logic.

Please note that Ibn Ishaq is a better Muslim than you. He is a second generation historian of Islamic theology and his works are older than the famous bukhari's hadith. And no known Islamic scholar had written any scholarly work condemning his work. We non-muslims are interested in anything/action that disqualifies Mohammed as a decent man let alone a prophet and sahih Bukhari, al-tabari, sahih Muslim and ibn ishaq have enough proof that showed Mohammed as a fake prophet.

Thank you!
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 4:45pm On Feb 28, 2017
tbaba1234:
Many of the Ibn Ishaq stories are not taken seriously even in Islamic circles. He simply gathered everything he heard, from every source, verifiable or not.

Great works have gone into verification and we have found most of the stories spurious at best.

It is still a great historical piece but it is ludicrous to base your stories on it.
Is there any fatwa issued to condemn some of the alleged lies by Ibn Ishaq against the prophet of Islam? No.

Is the biography of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq still used all over the Islamic countries? Yes.

If great works have gone to authenticate the works of Ibn and found 'spurious at best', why is his works on Mohammed still in Islamic libraries? These are questions you need ask yourself. Burying your head in the sand and denying the works of Ibn Ishaq will not erase the fact that Mohammed did so many evil things. Even sahih Bukhari did not absolve Mohammed from any crime.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 3:31pm On Feb 28, 2017
true2god:
Muhammad arranges the beheading of Kab bin al-Ashraf on page 364-9.
Muhammad personally beheads over 600 Jewish prisoners of war on page 494.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 3:21pm On Feb 28, 2017
tbaba1234:
Ibn ishaq biography of Muhammad is full of unverified/false stories and narrations.

If you want to learn about Islam, you can learn from more authentic sources.
Ibn Ishaq wrote the biography of Mohammed over 1300 years ago and Ibn Ishaq materials on Islam can be found in all major religious libraries in Saudi Arabia. You can't be more Islamic than Mohammed or the Saudis. If Ibn Ishaq wrote something contrary to what Mohammed said or did, the Saudi religious authorities would have issued a fatwa to condemn Ibn Ishaq's biography of Mohammed.

Remember the Indian writer, Salman Rushdie, that wrote 'the satanic verses', a fatwa was issued by ayatollah Khomeini that commanded any Muslim to kill him for writing a book critical of Islam or the Islamic prophet. If Ibn Ishaq's work was a lie, it wouldn't have survived in Islamic libraries for more than 1300 years.

The work of Ibn Ishaq became a sort of embarrassment to Muslims because many people are reading it in English thus made them see the Mohammed as a wicked tyrant whose action can only be compared to Adolph Hitler.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 12:21pm On Feb 28, 2017
true2god:
Muhammad approves the stabbing of Uqba bin Abu Muayt on page 308.
Muhammad arranges the beheading of Kab bin al-Ashraf on page 364-9.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 11:38am On Feb 28, 2017
udatso:
Hahshahha
We are looking into the biography of mohammed by Ibn Ishaq. Your contribution will be appreciated. You can as well download the link I provided on my first post.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 10:24am On Feb 28, 2017
true2god:
Muhammad approves the stabbing of Uqba bin Abu Muayt on page 308.
https://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_5_59.php

The link/hadith above is the comprehensive material on Mohammed's life, especially his wars, aggressions, calls to prayer, and calls to murder. The site is an official Saudi Arabia religious site and the hadith in question is sahih bukhari volume 5, book 59, number 1 to the end.

This are authentic al- hadith because it is impossible for over 600 unbroken chain of narrations to be false, besides, it is a sahih hadith by al-bukhari.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 9:45am On Feb 28, 2017
true2god:
Muhammad orders his son-in-law Ali, to behead Al-Nadr bin al-Harith on page 136.
Muhammad approves the stabbing of Uqba bin Abu Muayt on page 308.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 9:43am On Feb 28, 2017
Rilwayne001:
Ok. I will download and read.



Mr man, so you have the chutzpah to mention me?
Download and read with an open mind. Ibn Ishaq is the most authentic sunnah, second only to sahih Bukhari. You can also confirm the authenticity of the sunnah by Ibn Ishaq from your imams, sheiks and your ayatollahs. Make your research bro, no more excuse for ignorance.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 9:13am On Feb 28, 2017
true2god:
The book covers more than 700 pages. It takes time and patience to read it completely but revealed the brutallity and barbaric behaviors of the prophet of islam.

If you take time to read the book, pages 510-14 discussed mohammed's actions in khaibar, his ordering of the killing of kinana, safiya's husband, when he refused to disclose where the Jews hid their gold and some other atrocities. This incident was also recorded in the hadith.
Muhammad orders his son-in-law Ali, to behead Al-Nadr bin al-Harith on page 136.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 8:26am On Feb 28, 2017
The book covers more than 700 pages. It takes time and patience to read it completely but revealed the brutallity and barbaric behaviors of the prophet of islam.

If you take time to read the book, pages 510-14 discussed mohammed's actions in khaibar, his ordering of the killing of kinana, safiya's husband, when he refused to disclose where the Jews hid their gold and some other atrocities. This incident was also recorded in the hadith.
Christianity Etc › Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by true2god(op): 5:38am On Feb 28, 2017
http://www.justislam.co.uk/images/Ibn%20Ishaq%20-%20Sirat%20Rasul%20Allah.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq


The link above,the first URL, is the link where you can download and read the biography of Mohammed by ibn ishaq, a renowned Arab historian who painstakingly compiled the biography of the propohet of Islam. Over 90% of what he wrote about Mohammed can be collaborated with the hadith. It is a good material that can be useful to the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims to have a better understanding of the person and character of Mohammed.

Ibn ishaq is an islamic scholar who lived about 60 years after the death of the prophet of Islam. He dedicated his entire life writing the biography of Mohammed. All the 5 schools of Islamic jurisprudence agreed with ibn ishaq's biography on Mohammed and his writing is used, atimes, in giving fatwas in most Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan, etc.

Let's study ibn ishaq's biography on Mohammed for us to reach a conclusion if Mohammed was from God or not. The era of learning about Mohammed through the shieks and the imams is gone because all the imams and the sheiks also get their stories about Mohammed from ibn ishaq.

Download, read and let's discuss any page that is of importance for discussion. Thanks.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims, Do You Hold All Biblical Prophets In High Esteem? by true2god: 6:49pm On Feb 26, 2017
plappville:
Yet MHMD's last words before he died:

"MUHAMMAD Said this: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427

[MHMD was poisoned by a Jewish woman whose husband was killed by the Muslims and the poison had worked its effect and made him suffered before his death. He said this while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha. This is enough to proved Christians and Jews are His enemies. And today Muslims hate the Jews and the Christians. Iran's nuclear aim is to Eradicate Israel from the surface of the Earth. The last time i heard. The Israeli Prime minister said. Iran wrote in Hebrew on their missile that. "They will erase Israel from Existing. I see Arabs hate Israel with so much passion. Muhammad pick up from where Sarah's slave the Egyptian woman stopped. This is from generation to generation. You are just deceiving yourself. The world is aware of this Historical hatred.
No Muslim have been able to show me where the Christians and the Jews had built a place of worship on the grave of their prophet but meanwhile Muslims, especially the shia, had built many mosques/shrine on the grave of their leaders like Ali, hassan and even Fatima.

The tomb of Mohammed has a mosque built on it in Medina. Who is deceiving who? allahh, Mohammed or Muslims?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims, Do You Hold All Biblical Prophets In High Esteem? by true2god: 8:40am On Feb 26, 2017
true2god:
You are being cosmetic with the truth. The fact remains that Mohammad was brutal and there is zero virtue in the hadith that encouraged lying and political assisination, unless you want to tell me that lying and assisination are good Islamic virtues. And fya, the word assassin is from an Arabic word 'hashashin' and the first political assisination in the history of man is carried out by Muslims. You seem to be a novice in Islamic history and religion.

If you go through the entire sahih bukari vol. 5 book 59, number 1 to the end, it is all about political killings and assassination and all was planned and endorsed by your prophet. How can an entire book be dedicated to a historical fact that sanctioned sanctioned political killings and the strategies to achieve that purpose? If you are sincere with yourself, you will understand that Mohammed was a first class murderer and hide under religion and a god to commit evil.
https://www.sahih bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_5_59.php

The link above is an authorized hadith from Saudi Arabia official website on this issue. Read the entire hadith and draw a brief summary of the character of Mohammad. It is all in white and black, his atrocities are well documented in the hadith.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims, Do You Hold All Biblical Prophets In High Esteem? by true2god: 8:34am On Feb 26, 2017
Farmerforlife:
Yet you were citing on his/her behalf.

Remember that your Quran tells you to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Leaving Islam is equal to maligning and insulting it, cos it means the person can proudly say that Allah is not his god and Mohammad is a false prophet. That is why Muslims kill whoever leaves Islam cos they have insulted it.

Citation for the apostasy law in the Quran, as well as all your interpretations that follow please?

There is nothing of virtue in that hadith cos it teaches 2 things: Lying is acceptable in Islam as endorsed by Mohammad and that anyone who insults Allah and Mohammad must be killed as also endorsed by Mohammad. Any other thing you want to say will amount to Al taquiya.

Read it again

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "YES," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "YOU MAY SAY IT."


Wrong. The two teachings you derive from that hadith are not what Muslims derive. To our understanding, we believe that it is permitted to give false information only to an enemy in order to gain victory over him in war, and as for the case of Ka'b bin Ashraf, a command to kill an enemy of the state was given by the established authority to an agent of the state. The actual operational word is not 'maligned'. Your translation was derived from one of those anti-Islam sites. The actual word was 'azaa'; meaning to hurt or to work evil against. Ka'b bin Ashraf was instrumental in trying to set up alliances between the Quraysh pagans and the Jewish tribes to fight against the Muslims. His sins were many, and he was a true enemy provocateur in every sense of the word. That is why he was killed.
You are being cosmetic with the truth. The fact remains that Mohammad was brutal and there is zero virtue in the hadith that encouraged lying and political assisination, unless you want to tell me that lying and assisination are good Islamic virtues. And fya, the word assassin is from an Arabic word 'hashashin' and the first political assisination in the history of man is carried out by Muslims. You seem to be a novice in Islamic history and religion.

If you go through the entire sahih bukari vol. 5 book 59, number 1 to the end, it is all about political killings and assassination and all was planned and endorsed by your prophet. How can an entire book be dedicated to a historical fact that sanctioned sanctioned political killings and the strategies to achieve that purpose? If you are sincere with yourself, you will understand that Mohammed was a first class murderer and hide under religion and a god to commit evil.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims, Do You Hold All Biblical Prophets In High Esteem? by true2god: 8:09am On Feb 26, 2017
alBHAGDADI:
Lying is highly practiced in Islam where it is recommended when one wants to deceive the unbeliever. It is call Al taquiya.

Below is an hadith that shows Mohammad himself endorsing LIE.


Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."
The Quran in surah 8:39, allahh/Mohammad asked Muslims to be harsh to non-muslims but merciful to themselves. What does this mean? You can be killed if you insult allahh and his assistant (apostle). Its like allahh and his apostle are partners and are on the same level.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims, Do You Hold All Biblical Prophets In High Esteem? by true2god: 8:02am On Feb 26, 2017
Farmerforlife:
Let us take this point by point. Do you want to accept that the Quran does not order us to kill those who insult the prophet or Islam and agree that annunaki2 was lying, and that this hadith is your only evidence? If so, we can move on to discuss the virtue of this hadith as evidence of it being permissible for anyone to kill a person who has insulted the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) or any other prophet (ﷺ).
Do you reject this hadeth? Do you cherry-pick what you like in the hadith? Where do you get the 5 pillars of Islam from, the Quran or the hadith?

95% of sharia laws are from the hadeth and without the hadith and the sunnah, there will be no Islamic schools of taught and jurisprudence. Why reject the hadith anytime an hadith shows the evil in your prophet?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims, Do You Hold All Biblical Prophets In High Esteem? by true2god: 12:05am On Feb 26, 2017
Auki:
Each generation, God sent a messenger to remind to serves God and do rights. Mankind responsibility to messengers is to accept the prophets, obey him and support his mission. Central message of all the Prophet,including Jesus(Peace be on him), is for mankind to worship God alone and do rights.

In our generation, Muhammad(Peace be on him) is the messenger sent for mankind confirming the previous prophets and relating the same message.
Muslim esteem all the Prophets. Disbelief in any of the Prophets, including Jesus(peace be on him), means rejecting Islam.
The Christians and the Jews are not begging the muslims to accept their prophet, it is muslims that were begging that the christians and the Jews accept mohammed as one of their prophets. And mohammed, being an arab, is spiritually not qualified for prophethood hence an impostor.

Islamic lies that each nations have a prophet sent to them is a lie muslims tell so that mohammed can be fixed into the line of prophethood. And fya, mohammed does not belong to current generation, he died over 1400 years ago. The ahmadiyas even have their own final prophet whom you shia and sunnis rejected. Can we then said the ahmadiyya's final prophet is also a prophet in islam?
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims, Do You Hold All Biblical Prophets In High Esteem? by true2god: 11:49pm On Feb 25, 2017
plappville:
First class what? Please add "self claimed" PROPHET next time.

See how First class He is:
'Mohammed is the only first class prophet recognized in Islam. Any other 'prophet is inferior to Mohammed'.

I mean that mohammed is the only person muslim revered, both in their prayers and in following his sunnah. In islam, nothing like the sunnah of Jesus, the sunnah of moses, the sunnah of Abraham, the sunnah of David, etc. The only sunnah the muslims endorsed, identified and followed is the sunnahh of the fake prophet mohammed.

To we christians mohammed is a false prophet, but to muslims he is a first class prophet, the last and the 'greatest' prophet (to muslims only). So I dont call him a first class prophet, I am only making reference to muslims' opinion on mohammed ibn abdullah.
Christianity Etc › Re: Women Status In Islam: Is Women’s Natural Disposition Considered As Defective? by true2god: 9:39pm On Feb 25, 2017
alBHAGDADI:
Dont mind them.

The Bible is corrupt, yet they bury their nose in it when looking for approval of Islamic backwardness.
The quran cannot stand alone without resting on the Bible, just as no bridge can stand without a pillar. Even allahh begged Muslims to consult the Bible in any area they need clarifications. There is no single verse in the quran that says the Bible is corrupt. Muslims have to make up the 'corruption' story in order to increase the approval rating of the Koran. Even at that, the Koran is the most poorly written book in history.

In has no good grammatical structure, no sequential historical analysis of events, you can hardly know when we have a direct speech and a reporting speech. The Arabs understood this limitations hence they encourage non-arab muslims to cram the Qur'an like a poem instead of reading to understand the context. The Koran has no context hence Muslims will always tell you that you are reading the Koran out of context.

Without the hadith and the tasfir, the Koran is a completely useless literary material.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Allah? What Is The Origin Of Belief In Allah? by true2god: 9:24pm On Feb 25, 2017
mustymatic:
He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent: and He has full knowledge of all things.57:3

The origin of belief goes back before Adam peace be upon him,

And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You." He (Allah) said: "I know that which you do not know." 2:30

If Yahweh is what (Eesa) Jesus or Musa called his God in Hebrew, then yes, if it is one of the Changes made then I am not sure
Is it the same allahh that Mohammed's grandfather worshipped/served that you are referring to?

Note that Mohammed didnt introduce another allahh aside the one that his ancestors served.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims, Do You Hold All Biblical Prophets In High Esteem? by true2god: 1:57pm On Feb 25, 2017
alBHAGDADI:
Muslims claim they respect and hold all prophets, biblical or quranic, in high esteem. How come they never riot, protest or kill people when someone insults biblical prophets? Why is that it is only when someone insults the Quran prophet called mohammad that we see them on rampage, killing and destroying everything non-muslim in their part just as they did in kano when someone drew a cartoon of Mohammad in faraway Denmark?

When are we going to see them do the same thing for Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Daniel, Jeremiah, Zechariah etc?
Mohammed is the only first class prophet recognized in Islam. Any other 'prophet is inferior to Mohammed. This is the reason in all Islamic prayer, Mohammed's name must be mentioned and Mohammed must be given due recognition and respect.

Islam's alleged recognition of other biblical prophet is a hoax to deceive the gullible. Islam starts and ends with Mohammed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Allah? What Is The Origin Of Belief In Allah? by true2god: 1:23pm On Feb 25, 2017
allahh is a pre-islamic deity worshipped by some of the Arabian tribes. Mohammed's father and grandfather worshipped and served allahh long before Mohammed introduced Islam to the Arabs in mecca.

Mohammed's father is abdullah ibn abdulmutalib. Abdulahh mean slave of allahh, which is the name Mohammed's grandfather gave Mohammed's father. Most Muslims will attempt to deny this fact by claiming that the generic name for any god, in pre-islamic Arabia, is allahh. This is only a
futile attempt to deny the obvious.

allahh, just like the Yoruba gods like ifa, ogun and ayelala, is one of the many Arabian gods in pre-islamic Arabia.

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