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LIES IN THE HADITH

The inanimate sun can prostrate like a human


It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it the Sun glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) that the people do not discern anything ( unusual in it) till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it would be said to it: Rise up and emerge out from the place of your setting, and it will rise from the place of its setting. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said. Do you know when it would happen? It would happen at the time when faith will not benefit one who has not previously believed or has derived no good from the faith.

Sahih Muslim 1:297

LIES IN THE HADITH

Geocentrism: The sun goes under Allah's chair.

Narrated Abu Dhar: The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west.

Sahih Bukhari 4:54:421

LIES IN THE HADITH:

Adam was a 90 foot giant.
The hadith say humans were created in the physical image of Allah. Thus they began as tall as 90ft giants (60 cubits is the equivalent of 90 feet), and have been decreasing in height ever since. The oldest human remains found in Ethiopia (Lucy and Ardi) were actually shorter in height than us, thus Archaeological science has disproved this belief.

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.
Sahih Bukhari 4:55:543 ;
Sahih Muslim 40:6809 and Sahih Muslim 32:6325

aminusanti:
are u real dis time around or you r just here to kill time arguing blindly as usual?? I can proceed to address all ur queries without any issue but once u startd ur cherry picking old trick I wont waste a sec on you again.. agreed?

Stop speaking grammar and address the numerous historical and scientific errors in your Koran. Should I include the thousands of errors in your hadith as well?

Hairyrapunzel:
Cult programming. Yet you want all benefits gotten from that nation #hypocrisy

How would you reconcile loving people with wanting your Jehovah to kill them in Armageddon because they are non jws #hypocrisy

Don't mind the hypocrite, they have been programmed to give a specific response to any question and/or argument. Most of them don't reason independently except what their organization tells them.

achorladey:
How can you reconcile the two commandments given by Jesus on Loving God with all you have and love your neighbor as yourself with this your post and the national pledge of most Nations? Can you serve God and your nations with your whole strength without compromising God's laws or the law of your nation? Can you slave for two masters?

I'm sorry bro if you are a JW, you guys read the Bible upside down to suit the need of the watchtower society. Every country has a law and expected their citizens to obey the law which the JW technically advise their members to flout.

Russian is a country that expect 100% loyalty from its citizens in the area of community service, mandatory one or two-year military service for all physically-abled adults, ensure a total medical services, including blood transfusions when life is in danger, for all its citizens, ensured citizen participate in the judicial services, etc and all these are against the JW doctrines. How do you expect a responsible country to keep quiet while such a subversive organization exists?

And remember, JW is an organization with its headquarters in the US and I'm sure you fully understand the mutual suspicion between the US and Russia. What gives you the assurance that the CIA cannot use the watchtower as a secret agent to spy on Russia since one of the way JW operates is by sending their members on a preaching work from house to house? Don't you think that some CIA agents might pose as JW hence having easy access to homes and premises of highly placed Russia government officials to gather national security information? Why are other religious organizations not proscribed except the JW?

You need to ask yourself hard questions before you condemn the Russians. They are not like we Nigerians who don't take national security seriously.

Do you really think that the Americans will allow a Russian orthodox church organization to have an easy access to the America society and public life the way watchtower had operated in Russian over the years? Think bro.

I fully support the Russian government's decision on this. Any organization, in the name of religious belief, whose doctrine and practice go against the law of the land and whose practice could jeopardize public safety, through unwanted pacifism instead of patriotism, should be banned.

Any organization that discourages it members from serving in the armed or paramilitary forces but will expect others to risk their lives for their safety should be banned. Any organization that discouraged his people from active public service should be banned. Any organization that destroys family units in the name of religion should be banned.

Jehovah's witnesses fall into these categories and should be banned.

Ubenedictus:
Concupiscence is also found in man, so is irrational fear.
It is not right to tag all muslims terrorists or discriminate against people simply because they are muslims.
Self preservation isn't the ultimate law, LOVE is.

It is not irrational to fear a religious system that had, over a thousand years, believe in the subjugation of people of other religions, and the arab-muslims are notorious for always attempting to conquer people and empires. They had been very successful over the years in conquering and subjugating people.

If a tenant is notorious for violently taking over a rented apartment, in the name of a god, from his landlords, why will a rational landlord rent or lease his property to such? You can hardly err on the side of caution. It is therefore irrational to allow Arabs, who are known to have imperial instincts, to be allowed an unrestricted access to a foreign territory.

Go and read the history of Islamic expansion and dont prove to be naive or a liberal who sanction all forms of modern- day lawlessness in the name of human right and love. Love goes hand in hand with rational decision making.

Ubenedictus:
Because i also believe that evil shouldnt be used to pay evil. defeat evil with good.
that arabs do it doesnt make it ok for europe to do it.

Self preservation is a natural instinct God imbedded in a man. Anybody or race that lacks this instinct is doomed for extinction and demographic replacement. 80% of the lands the Arabs occupied today are owned by the barbers, the Nubians, the Persians, the black Africans, the yazidis, the Assyrians and the Copt but have been displaced by the Arabs using Islam as a vehicle to plunder and conquer. Only the person who fails to learn from history doomed himself when history repeats itself. The Europeans are digging their own grave allowing a mass Arab migration. This has nothing to do with Christianity. The God of the Bible is not an advocate for stupidity and complacency in the face of an existential threat.

plappville:
He is an idol. He cant hear them. They are just displaying their ignorance and also disobeying the allah because he warned never to take the infidels for friends.
Ask your brothers what they are doing in the land of the infidels?

The Arab- Muslims are not to take infidels as friends (Quran 5:51) but are allowed to migrate (hijrah) in order to conquer the infidels in the long run. Mohammed asked his men to migrate to Ethiopia and Medina when they were facing problems in Mecca.

Most Muslims are facing economic crisis in their home countries so they have to migrate to the land of the infidels for a better life and a possible further take over of the land of the kafirs for allahh.

plappville:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv3fy2JOwUY


Saves them right. All this people are pretending terrorists

It is the height of lawlessness for anyone to block a public road, against traffic rules, in the name of prayer. It is only among the Muslims that a public highway will be blocked for a Friday prayer while the motorist and pedestrians suffer.

Late last year a church was closed, in France, to make way for car park. Christians condemned the French authorities and moved on. Most Christian in France are native French citizens and not Arabs, Africans or immigrants. And now the same thing happened to a mosque and Muslims, who are over 95% non-native French citizens, have to block public road to offer their prayer as a protest and defiance against constituted authorities. Islam breeds lawlessness in a massive scale worldwide.

Even before the mosque closure, Muslims leave their mosques in Marseille, Toulouse, Bordeaux and other places, and converge on the motorable public street of Paris for their Friday. They wouldn't attend their mosque but will block the street for Friday prayer, in their thousands, in order to intimidate the infidels with their game of numbers. I think it's high time the French government started deporting these ingrates and evil people in their thousands. This will surely be the long term solution to this mess and public nuisance.

Ubenedictus:
I do not support closing any bodies worship place unless is pose a danger to others.
why was the mosque closed?

Why are you so concerned on why the mosque was closed? Do you know the number of churches that had been closed in the Arab/Muslim world?

parisbookaddict:
He raped aisha and many sex slaves he captured in war. Read your hadiths

He even raped the jewish woman who poisoned him with goat meat.

The Islamic perfect man, Mohammed Ibn abdullah, really enjoyed himself. After eating goat meat pepper soup he would top it up with female sex slaves, day and night.

Niyi53:
what else can appear to one who is himself lost in quest for this life and it's impurities than impurities! Even after beholding something beautiful without blemish, you aren't still able to see!
you need first to bring yourself out of the pit of hatred and enmity in which you have thrown yourself into, before you can begin to understand the true personality of the Holy Prophet pbuh.
there are many European scholars who have appreciated the personality of the Holy Prophet pbuh. take it or leave it.
As for miracle, he did show innumerable miracles which Jesus can never dare to compete with! And in this age, the one who has appeared as the second advent of Jesus, has even displayed more miracles than did Jesus christ, and he stated clearly that he was able to achieve this only by following Muhammad (saw)

I appreciate your PR job for Islam but will only be effective among people who are ignorant of Islam.

You talked about hate and I like that. The most hateful person on earth is Mohammed himself (Quran 98:6, 9:30, 8:60, 9:5, 5:51, 8:38, etc and sahih bukahri 4:52:196 & 220). If you have a full knowledge of the sunnah of your prophet you will understand what im talking about.

Besides, no sane European historian will speak well of Mohammed. Most Europeans compare Mohammed to Adolf Hitler. The Qur'an (written by Mohammed) has similarity to Meim Kaimp (written by Adolf Hitler).

On the issue of miracle, can you give a single miracle performed by Mohammed as written in the Quran?

Demmzy15:
You can conquer the world without bloodshed na, besides when Muslims conquered many parts of the world they were supported by your Christian brethrens!

How can Islam conquer the world without war or terror? Islam had been known for blood and sorrow against the kafirs. Mohammed (peace be upon me) said the life and property of non-muslims are not safe where the Muslims are (sahih Bukhari 4:52:196). This is a threat only a criminal can make and I believe Mohammed is one.

mohamedali:
No lieing in islam .

Bro, you are 100% ignorant of Islam. Go do more research on your religion and come back. Besides, you never refuted any of my claim.

mohamedali:
Muslim can do en things exempt liaing

Welcome to nairaland school of Islamic theology. Your matriculation is today and your Islamic lesson starts now.


Lying is permitted in Islam under 3 conditions:

1) when fighting an adversary. Mohammed said in the hadith: war is deceit.

2) when you want to make peace between Muslims you are permitted to lie.

3) when you wanna make your wife happy, allahh permits you to lie to her if that will make her happy.

Go and ask your imams and shieks then come back with a rubust response.

Demmzy15:
Who told you that?



Islam is growing in Japan and it'll continue to grow. There were 84,000 Muslims in the UK in the 1980s now they're over 2.5 million which signals a very large growth, and they're still growing.



You're funny o, do you know how it is to go to Japan? That's literally the end of the world, which refugee would be willing to go that length? As I'm a Muslim, if I choose to settle there and spread Islam, nothing dey happen!

Mr abdul-liar, there is no religious freedom in Saudi Arabia. Stop making a fool of yourself in public space.
http://www.hscentre.org/middle-east-and-north-africa/saudi-arabia-affront-religious-freedom/

http://www.uscirf.gov/countries/saudi-arabia

So Mr abdul-liar, open and read the link I provided above. Simple question. What's the punishment for apostasy in Saudi Arabia?

Muslim growth in the UK is as a result of large muslim migration into Europe because most muslim countries are economic and political failures. Except the oil rich Arab gulf, most muslim countries are poor with both political and economic turmoil. Besides, no muslim country manufacture anything hence the high level of poverty and illitracy in muslim country.

A muslim who had the opportunity to obtain either a UK or US visa is like a muslim who had finally gone to aljanah because Muslim countries are shit-holes.

Demmzy15:
But it's growing and growing fast.

Christianity is not even up to decimal point in saudi arabia!

It's not today that Islam is growing fast. Compare the days of the caliphate and today, you will see that Islam grew rapidly then (as a result of wholesale conquest and genocide) than it does now ( you guys do dawah now, Islamic brainwashing).

Islamic current growth is as a result of mass Muslim migration to the land of the 'infidels'. Islam is like a 'nomadic religion' whose members are always moving from place to place, either through war or trade. The first Muslim migrant or refugee is Mohammed himself who fled from mecca to Medina in the first Islamic hijra. Ever since , Muslims considered being a refugee as a good thing to spread Islam.

On Saudi Arabia, it is an offense punishable by death to leave Islam. Most Saudi apostates only declare themselves non-muslims after leaving Saudi Arabia. We have thousands of Saudi muslim apostates in Europe and America, they dare not go back to Saudi Arabia, and to you, a typical kolomental muslim, the Saudi policy of killing apostates is a good thing.

Demmzy15:
You've started concocting figures from your pelebe head abi?

Seems you lack comprehension skill. Read my post again.

impossible27:
And as it is now, igbos are one of the tribes islam will find it very hard to spread fast. 'Kedu onye cho ka ya ko nnwa ya kpo isi ala?' unless they use force (God fobid)

They dare not use force in this modern era, the time of uthman dan fodio, when most of the then world was blind, has gone.

nwaanambra1:
there is 99.9% chances that any igbo you see practicing islam is an osu outcast. they are mostly people rejected by their kinsmen - (who happens to be staunch Christians) so some of them now seek solace in islam.

you will also notice they hardly visit their villages.



@op.

igbos don't do islam bc they value their head so much that they cant hit it on the ground 5 times a day.



it never occur to you that hitting head on the ground even once a day can do a lot of damage to the brain how much more of hitting it 5 times a day! thats enuf to reset your medulla oblangata and remove the human substance in you.

at least you can bear witness to the evil that those who hit head on ground always are capable of committing.

I think there are few Igbo Muslims, roughly 1000 people (though I'm not very sure).

You can always see them when you do Google search.

annunaki2:
One thing I have noticed is that muslims avoid answering questions about their religion and when they do, they are more likely to obfuscate issues rather than address the questions raised. It's clear to me that all knowledgeable muslims know that Islam is bad esle they won't tell so many lies to defend it but what baffles me is the what kind of spirit is it that posseses thm that makes them want to defend a lie so much and in some cases die for this lie. It surely must be some form of demonic possession.

When a religion approved lying on 3 conditions:

1) When fighting an enemy

2) When trying to make reconciliation between fellow Muslims (not non-muslims)

3) When you wanna make your wife happy,

that's to tell you the fake nature of the religion. As I said earlier, Islam is the world's biggest political party, with a god called allahh, whose global members are known as the 'ummahh'. If you, as an infidel, are not a member of the ummah, you are a political opponent in a Muslim-dominated country like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Sudan, Iran, etc and you are a fair game any day and any time.

And if you once belong to the ummah and you decided to abandon the umma, you are also a fair game because apostasy, or switching allegiance is punishable by death in Islam. Muslims in America can lie that there is no punishment for apostasy but Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, etc understood the sunnah of the prophet that 'whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him'.

tintingz:
Ignored

You should be ashamed of your prophet.

alBHAGDADI:
I also wonder how he will explain the below verse that enjoins all Muslims to fight unbelievers until there is no other religion but Islam.


Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution",

It will be the usual Islamic lies that Mohammed fought in 'self defense' even when the Koran (Koran 9:29), the hadith (sahih bukhari 4:52:196 and 220) and the sirah (Ibn hisham on the life of Mohammed, 3rd edition).

On the book 'the life of Mohammed' on the 3rd edition, pt. 6, volume 3, page 8 said and I quote:

Mohammed taught:
'I descended by allahh with the sword in my hand, and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword and the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted...'.

Above words are the pronouncements of Mohammed himself according to the book 'the life of Mohammed' by Ibn Hisham (one of the greatest Islamic scholars). Nigerian and black Muslims are 100% ignorant of the nature and history of Islam/Mohammed, and since they are lazy to do a research on their religion, we will always assist them do that for free of charge.

tintingz:
I don't need to reply this as I've stated my stands. I'm not defending any terrorism act or past wars.

How can you then justify the fact that Mohammed said he was made victorious by terror (Sahih bukhari 4:52:220) and that the lives and properties of non-muslims are not secure except they accept allahh as their God and Mohammed as his messenger (sahih bukhari 4:52:196)?

tintingz:
Uthman dan fodio didn't brought Islam to Nigeria but there is no denial that he spread Islam with violence.

What did uthman Dan fodio do that Mohammed (peace be upon me) did not do? Uthman dan fodio understood the sunnah of the prophet and was following the sunnah 100%.

Mohammed was a violent man and so also uthman dan fodio. If ISIS were to be in existence some 200 years ago, they would have been the greatest Islamic state after the early Muslim khalifas. Its unfortunate they came late when the kafirs can easily beat the Muslim world militarily.

Demmzy15:
**zooms off**

Good boy. That's what is expected of you.

Demmzy15:
¬This true2god guy is a loser!! He hediot meant Zaid.

Go and take your caprisone and remain in your room. Mature men are having discussion in the parlor.

Demmzy15:
¬This true2god guy is a loser!! He hediot meant Zaid.

Go and take your caprisone and remain in your room. Mature men are having discussion in the parlor.

tintingz:
You are simply ignorant of Islamic history, who is Bilal ibn Muhammad? I don't know where you got Bilal ibn Muhammad from, this is how your pastors and missionaries are feeding you with lies.

Bilal ibn Rabbah was one of the Prophet Muhammad companion, Google is your enemy?

I mean to write Bilal Ibn rabbah and not Bilal Ibn Mohammed. This does not invalidate my argument that, based on authentic hadith and the sira, Mohammed was fully engaged in slave trade. This is a fact that no Muslim can deny, it is one of the sunnah of the prophet.

Long before the Europeans started slave trade, Mohammed had been doing it. Mohammed and the Arabs exposed the illicit business of slave trade to the Europeans and the Caucasians.

Demmzy15:
Usamah Ibn Zaid comes to mind, at the age of 17, lead the Muslims in battle!

You dey try o!

See foolish reasoning. A misguided black slave fighting alongside arab-muslims to slaughter non-muslims is a source of pride. Muslims need to re-examine their way of reasoning. This is a shame and not something to be proud of.

Let me ask you one question. Can you mention a single black slave that raised a family? Can you mention a single black slave that get married to an arab-muslim woman during the time of Mohammed, and have his own family and children? There is non because Mohammed castrated most of his black slave.

Who is the wife of Bilal Ibn rabbah or usamah Ibn zaid? Can you mention a single biological child
of Bilal Ibn rabbah of usamah Ibn zaid?