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annunaki2:
My broda you be my oga at the top as far as Islamic studies is concerned. I learn a lot from you detailed and incisive write ups. Even the most notorious NL Muslim apologists don't have 10% of your knowledge of Islam.

Thanks bro. We are still learning Islam. The further you study Islam, the more you are exposed to Islamic historic atrocities.

Empiree:
ibn Ishaq again?.

Remember ifeann did worst in 2015

You notice she's abscent lately. She's quietly studying Islam in Finland. New report came up from that country how many reverted to Islam this year. You never know ifeann might be amongst them

I taught she was studying Islam in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Are you sure she will learn the true wahabi Islam in Finland?

annunaki2:
Ok point noted. Given the fact that you are an 'islamic' scholar, I can't doubt any position you take on islamic issues.

Thanks bro. I may not be completely right bro. I will do more research, you might actually be right in your judgement and conclusion.

Asidiq23:
This guy, u better be careful of what you say out of that mouth, if God will, He can cause you to be dumb forever for that blasphemious statement

Which God are you talking about? Do you mean Mohammed's family idol called allahh will punish anyone? In all honesty, can you mention a single person, you know, that allahh personally punished, without using Muslim mob?

NLban:
Why can't the Muslim's too behave like there Romans when they are in Rome

Muslims are not meant to obey the laws of the kafirs, even in the land of the kafirs. Whatever kafir law that is not halal, according to Islamic standard, must be rejected, even in the land of the kafirs. Remember, the kafirs are the worst of creatures (Quran 98:6), according to Mohammed and Muslims are the best of mankind (Qur'an 3:110), according to Mohammed again.

CyrusTheGreat:
Ah, so it is now the victims of the dangerous who are truly dangerous, eh? Your brain works in mysterious ways.

This poster here is one of the monsters that promote this foul religion. See how they immediately make threats? See how they refuse any concessions to the barbarism of their beliefs and simply shout "Kaffir"! "Murtad"! and "Infidel"! at the top of their lungs? They are deluded and genuinely believe that the sickening sewage the Quran outlines as laws is actually the words of a god, not the ramblings of imperialistic Arabs of the 7th century.

This is the kind of dangerous person who will join an angry mob to beat you to death because you reject his unintelligent religious beliefs.

"The most dangerous human being on earth is a kaffir"? Where are the Kaffir suicide bombers? Where are the Kaffirs destroying Kurdish and Yazidi and Assyrian homes? Where are the kaffirs obliterating thousands of years of world history, and scientific study in Mali, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria?

Nonsense. The statistics don't lie. Muslim countries are filled with evil, stupidity and abuse. People who reject islam are not dangerous or a threat to society - they are the opposite. They are heroes.

Great mind. Excellent piece.

tintingz:
I'm totally against this killing apostates, I've also been tagged apostate with fatwa here on Nairaland, so please stop mentioning my moniker to this Muslim countries that are barbaric in practice, I'm not part of them.

If you are against the killing of apostates then you are a fake Muslim.

allahh's apostle said 'whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him (sahih Bukhari 84:57).

annunaki2:
^^^
I think the term 'Muslim historian' will be more appropriate than journalist. Also I am sure the hadith writers had access to written records by eye witnesses and followers of mohamed who individually documented all his atrocities. It won't just have been a case of oral interviews alone.

We also have a historian called altabari, I don't know if I get it perfectly. The work of Bukhari is more journalistic because he was going from place to place to source for information about about Mohammed and his sahabas. Bukhari did not write any history about Mohammed or Islam, but only go from place to place to gather information about the sayings and actions of Mohammed which he later compiled as the current hadith.

Ibn Ishaq and altabari can actually be called historians.

lfleak:
you hear yourself, u just compared them to modern day journalist... like the one i quoted before... those things you wrote are all false..
read them again yourself, like : A whisper to B that C is mad... how was the whispered word noted..?
yeas that's your perspective because it suite u more isnt it?

Bro, open your mind, don't close it from logical reasoning.

Let's take this scenario. I want to compile a story, or record, about lord lugard. Of course non of us were alive when lord lugard was in existence, nevertheless, I want to compile an 'hadith' about Lord lugard. What will I do, how will I get my information as regards lord lugard?

The first thing I will do is to confirm, from which city lord lugard operated.

The second thing I will do is to try, as much as I can, to know the towns and villages he visited.

The third thing i will do is to research the people who might had had personal encounter with him.

The fourth thing I will do is to visit those places, interview the oldest and elderly people, who might have had personal encounter with Lord lugard. If I find non alive, I will interview their children and grandchildren, who their late parents might have told the story of their encounter with lord lugard.

The fifth thing I will do is to come back home and compile all my findings. This is exactly what Bukhari, Muslims and Ibn majjah did. And this is what you Muslims today call hadith.

Are their some truth in the hadith (sahih)? Yes.

Are their some falsehood in the hadith? Yes.

Are their bias in the hadith? Yes.

Is the hadith 100% reliable? No.

So we can accept the compilers of the hadith as journalist, depending on the angle you look at it from. My calling Bukhari a journalist may sound strange to Muslims, but in the modern context, he is a mere Muslim journalist, notwithstanding his great scholarly work on Islam.

lfleak:
the ONLY AUTHENTIC BOOK AND GUIDANCE FOR ALL MUSLIMS AND ISLAM IS THE HOLY QURAN .. the perfect book which will never get compromised or infected protected by Allah... unlike hadiths that have mostly contradicting words.. why? its of different people opinion, I can write Micheal Jackson bio that he is illuminati and you write yours that he was just a noble christian and not illuminati and that brings contradiction.
and also remember, the hadith can be compared to the likes of the bible.. but when you are ready to argue with me about islam, then bring forth the Holy Quran

I beg to disagree bro. You can't do away with the hadith and the sunnah, as a Muslim, when/if they don't fit into your narrative. over 90% of the sharia law, fatwa and Islamic thought are from the hadith and the sunnah of your prophet. The five pillars of Islam, which Muslims hold and religiously promote, are not in the Quran but in the hadith. The number of times you pray in a day is dictated in the hadith, not the Quran. As a Muslim, you can't run away from the hadith, except you want to abandon Islam altogether.

lfleak:
Yea.. a pastor will surely earn thousands folds than me...

contribution..? Lol you are reading a biography of someone written by another person not based on one on one interview but talks from different generations... dont you think..?
like this one you brought out.



sounds like a movie script, so as maslam went ahead to talk to ka'b... all he said was recorded..? dnt you zealous being think/.?
you can go any length just to gain a useless point...

FYI, I am not a pastor because many pastors are not even trustworthy, that is not to say there are no genuine ones. I work in the financial service industry and a project consultant. Not bragging, na God I give all the glory.

Back to the issue at hand, as alBagdadi stated, who composed/compiled the hadith? Are Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn majjah and Abu dawood, who compiled most of the hadith and the sunnah, among the sahabas? No.

If you condemn the 'sirah' by ibn Ishaq, you should also condemn the hadith by Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn majjah and the sunnah by Abu dawood. This is because they compiled those hadith and the sunnah over 200 years after the death of Mohammed. And fya, Ibn Ishaq lives and write the biography of Mohammed long before Bukhari and Muslim compiled the hadith.

Non of the compiler of the hadith saw Mohammed face to face or had personal encounter with him. They were traveling from place to place to get information about Mohammed, just like the modern day investigative journalist, their findings which they compiled to form the hadith. You can call the compilers of the hadith journalist because non of them were eyewitness to the life of Mohammed and his sahabas. And you will agree with me that you can't trust what they compilers of the hadith because of thousands of bias, hence Muslims have to classify the hadith into authentic, weak and fabricated hadith.

From my perspective, the sirah, according to Ibn Ishaq, is more reliable that Bukhari's hadith because not all his hadith is sahih, according to Muslims.

lfleak:
Lol.. am just afraid a man will successfully waste 17 out of his daily 24 hours on nairaland trying to make a non-existing point...
I just hope you are a pastor who is been fed by the sheeple if not, broda go and hustle!

I dnt know your level of income but I'm not convinced you earn more than me, that is if you have a job.

That aside, you haven't made any reasonable contribution so far, neither have you refuted any of the facts brought against your prophet.

shadeyinka:
@true2god

Muslims will rather reinvent history rather than face the truth. It is a trademark they inherited from their father and grandfather.

Suddenly, Abraham decides to sacrifice Ismael rather than Ishack
Suddenly Jesus says he hasn't authorised Christians to make Him, His Mother and God partners in Trinity
Suddenly, their father becomes the greatest prophet who ever lived (with no evidence or proof to show for it)

Deceptions throughout: no compulsion in religion, yet conquest after conquest they use as means of conversion.

Islam is indeed PEACE

The bible asked 'if the foundation is destroyed what shall the righteous do?'

The foundation of Islam is fraught with lies and deceptions and shall it continue. Muslims will be zealous and aggressive in promoting Mohammed's lies and deceptions.

lfleak:
Lol this guy is too dumb! Keep wasting your time reading a 700pages book Keep trying ..

Do you mean your sira on Mohammed, his biography, is a useless book?

Almost1122:
Don't even bother to argue with satanic children that are supporting each others here. The Book published in America to criticize Islam every day are more than ten(10) yet Islam is the fattest growing Religion in the world. 100% shame on Fault Finders. Almighty Allah is the one guilding this Religion. ''They Plot And Plan, And Allah(swt) Too Plan But, The Best Of Planner Is Allah,(Qur'an 8:30). Fools!

Let me get you clear, do you mean the Americans wrote *the biography of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq* and also compiled your sahih bukhari's hadith? I need to get you clearly.

Is the 'sira' by Ibn Ishaq no longer Islamic source document? Are you ashamed of all the atrocities of your prophet as contained in the hadith?

lfleak:
yea.. Atleast you can sleep in peace now??

How many times are kafirs and infidels found in the evil Koran?

basilico:
How many times is kill, slay, behead repeated in the noble glorious Holy Quran?

Nice question, but don't expect an answer because it is not part of the Islamic and Arabian brainwashing and propaganda.

You forgot to ask how many times kafirs and unbelievers are also found in the koran since the koran is all about Mohammed's hatred and war against the kafirs.

No big deal, Mohammed did the same to safiyya in khaiber. Islam breeds animals and savages who have no conscience, or must destroy their conscience and will try to replicate the sunnah of the immoral and criminal prophet in this 21st century.

I pity the poor family. Kafir in Muslim-dominated lands are fair game whenever the islamist start their madness.

philipobiz:
Still waiting for Trump media to refute the claim, since it has go viral

Don't be too gullible. The news is fake.

Fake news network (FNN). The site you provided is even a fake news site.

@ CyrusThegreat, don't tell anybody that I told you this (*whispering*): Mohammed and allahh is the same person. Mohammed only impersonated allahh for his personal benefit.

alBHAGDADI:
Confused fellow.

The guy is as confused as Mohammed himself.

zionmade:
D only true Muslims in d world are yoruba muslims who have totally injected their juju culture and quack education into islam. D rest are fake Muslims.
I wonder why it looks like Muslims are born with their brains upside down. Killing for no reason at all.
Have u taken ur camel urine diet today?

Yes, Islam is the only religion of peace, even if we Muslims kill and oppress infidels. allahh have made we Muslims special people (quran 3:110) who can oppress others (quran 9:29) and impose harshness on anyone who doesn't acknowledge the prophethood of Mohammed (police be upon him) (quran 8:39).

If you don't believe in our prophet, especially in Muslim countries, your life and property are not safe with us Muslims (sahih Bukhari 4:52:196)

allahuu acbaru!

Islam is the religion of peace and the prophet said, 'there is no compulsion in religion'. The Saudis are not true Muslims.

allahuu acbaru!

graetreal:
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www.foxnews.com is the official website of the foxnews international. The site you provided is fake, so also the news.

BininEmpire:
We the Yoruba Muslims are 100% behind MURIC

Symptom of arabo-islamifisick infection.

alBHAGDADI:
Wow, you think you are clever. See what your hadith says Mohammad said and also what the Quran. said in affirmation of what Mohammad said.


Sunan Abu Dawud 3991 —Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: IT SETS IN A SPRING OF WARM WATER.


Qur’an 18:83-86
—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, HE FOUND IT SETTING IN A SPRING OF BLACK MUDDY (or hot) WATER. And he found near it a people.



So, tell me, which one should we believe? Allah and Mohammad who both said it sets IN a pool of water or you who is trying to change their errors?

The guy Demzy is a lying islamist. I wonder how illiterate Arab desert dwellers seem to be smarter than normal people. See how the guy was trying to twist the lies of allahh and Mohammed to make it real

aminusanti:
your level of reasoning is really terrible..if thats d case according you then 90% should be burnt and thats why today u can see pastors burning bible for it endless errors..thats why islam is beautiful n different from your man made book (bible), islam identified the weak hadiths without using your burn n throw approach as what your people are doing with d bible but failed..and dis is happening simple because you are suppose identify right from wrong and people have them in the back of their heads(memorized)..
still waiting for u to identify 1 single error from the quran not the thrash you and your friend r putting above that has been thrashed already million times pls...
Check d pics below
Do u think this guy solve the issues of endless errors n contradiction in your man made book?? BIG NO
Again n Again Quran is Error free, take the explanations fiven to you or leave thats your own cup of shayi

The last time I checked it is never a crime in any part of the world to burn the Bible. Nobody forces the Bible on anybody's throat as Quran are being forced on people's throat in the Arab world and the middle east.

What do you think would happen if anyone publicly burn the evil Koran? I am sure that Muslim mobs with publicly execute that person. Christians are not like Muslim barbarians who dont value human life.

The Quran said the sun set at murky waters, according to allahh and Mohammed. The Quran said the earth is spread out like a carpet. Are these not Quranic lies? Use your brain.

achorladey:
How can you reconcile the two commandments given by Jesus on Loving God with all you have and love your neighbor as yourself with this your post and the national pledge of most Nations? Can you serve God and your nations with your whole strength without compromising God's laws or the law of your nation? Can you slave for two masters?

Do you pay tax? If yes, then according to your belief, you are a sinner because billions of naira of the tax that you pay are used to maintain the police, army, airforce, customs, immigration services, etc. Since a bunch of your tax money are used in maintaining the services which your organization preach against, you shouldn't have been paying tax.

Loving your neighbour as yourself does not nullify the act of patriotism. I will love my neighbours but will also protect myself from a hostile neighbour who wish to do harm or evil. If my neighbour is an unconvicted serial murderer and breaks into my house at 1am, I will shoot him if I have a gun, to protect my life and that of my family. It take common sense to do the right thing, though might occasionally be an act of aggression.

Bedetermined:
Woww! Am really flabbergasted you said' ''Any organization that discourages it members from serving in the armed or paramilitary forces but will expect others to risk their lives for their safety should be banned.... So if ur religion and conscience allows u to enter military and bear arms and also kill people in the process .. U should humbly hold on to ur views and i say categorically that you dont have the right to say they shoul b banned.. For the witnesses loyalty to God superceeds all.. Apostle paul once told a roman leader when he was asked to stop preaching that he must obey God as ruler rather than men... If the world sees them as crazy because they will obey the statutes of God at all times then its Very ok.. What most of we Christian are saying here shows that they dont know one fundamental truth.. The power dominating the world is evil and it would never take it likely on those who want to serve God in truth.. Those comenting ban them in all countries should continue oo. If i were u i will goan sit down and be crying because our lord said if they percecute you in this way rejoice greatly because ur names are being written down in the heavens... Nuff said 4 now.. May the peace of God be with us all

I am sorry, military service had been part of man from time immemorial. Nations, tribes and races had always been in state of war or conflict for thousands of years.

The Bible never condemn military service or called it a sin. Joining the police, navy, airforce, etc to protect your nation is never a SIN or something distasteful. Many Bible prophets engaged in military service in one form or the other. David, Joshua, Moses, Samson, Cornelius (a new testament centurion), etc are military men. Why do you condemn people who are in military or paramilitary services? Is it because the watchtower asked you to?

If anyone wishes not to join the military, in a peace time, that's OK, but if an organized body, through a religious belief, discourages their members from serving in the armed forces that's a subversive activity and dangerous to any country. We are currently living in a hostile world where all nations are trying hard to protect herself and her borders. We are not yet 'living in Paradise of God in planet earth'.

aminusanti:
Get to know the difference.. let me help u out of ur ignorance..

* Quran = Word of God Almighty through the prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) (Error free)
* Hadith (Report) = Each hadith consists of two parts, the isnad (Arabic: 'support'), or the chain of transmitters through which a scholar traced the matn, or text, of a hadith back to the Prophet. Individual hadith are classified by Muslim clerics and jurists as sahih ("authentic", hasan ("good" or da'if ("weak".

Yes you can find errors in the weak hadith dat arent corresponding with the Quran which is a straight forward thing unlike your man made book (bible)that consist of all in one, men, prophet, historians, archeologists, etc and you are all saying they were inspired by God and thats why you can get endless errors and contradictions in it.
If you really want to know the words of jesus (word of God) go and read red letter bible.

Weak hadith=Muslim's escape route.

It is difficult to take Muslims serious when you guys even condemned your Islamic materials as weak or fabricated and yet the same fabricated hadith are found in your Islamic libraries and mosques worldwide. Why don't you guys burn all the weak hadith? You can't/won't because they are all real and you guys use the phrase 'weak hadith' to protect Mohammed, allahh and Islam from criticism because of all the lies and embarrassment filled in the hadith. If some hadith are fabricated or weak why can't you burn them?

I won't be surprised if you tell me some surah in the quran are fabricated.

LIES IN THE KORAN

1. In Sura 41:9-12 Allah claims to have made our planet Earth first and after that the sun and other stars. This is clearly untrue as we know the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old and the Universe about 13.7 billion;

2. Sura 78:6-7 declares that Allah put mountains on Earth to stabilize it and stop it from shaking, but mountains are the result of instability as tectonic plates collide or volcanoes erupt;

3. In Sura 28:9 we are told that Pharaoh’s wife discovered Moses in the river yet clearly from history it was the daughter of Pharaoh who took Moses from the river. allahh is not a good historian here.